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General StarScream
Gallente Enheduanni
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:14:00 -
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Hello i have a good stock of t2 bpo and i am set up with labs and such.
the bpo have good me, so im mostly gona copy and produce i expect to make a good chunk of isk each monht, i have allmost unlimeted slots, atlest for 1 person, i will not had thees bpo to anyone else.
im seeking investors toughts about how i could present and form this into a good biz with my corp, and make some extra isk.
im kinda low on isk after paying for the t2 bpo and im in need of wast amounts of minerals, to get a good production going.
if anyone have tips and ide,and want to help me form this into something that can print tha isk at a faster rate, pls post your ides here.
its about 20 t2 bpo, i have 2 carrier bpo and 2 dreads,and 1 frighter bpo.
wich are in the me oven, and i need waste amounts of minerls as well, so if anyone know someone whom can deliver minerls pls get in tuch
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Hanoi Hana
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Hanoi Hana on 02/08/2007 21:15:14
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:47:00 -
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1. I'd be very scared of investing in someone who types like you do. Perhaps English isn't your primary language... which is why you type so poorly. But honestly, I speak English and if I'm investing in you then I have to be able to communicate with you and understand you fully.
2. I'd be wary of investing in someone who claims to have bought 20 t2 BPO's and carrier/dread BPO's, yet wasn't saavy enough to keep enough money to handle production of those BPO's.
3. Did you instantly come into the ownership of all these bpo's? If not, why are some not already in production and earning you money.
4. Do you have all the capital component BPO's as well to go with those capital ship BPO's? Or are they purely for copying.
5. I hope when you said copying you didn't mean copying T2 bpo's...
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General StarScream
Gallente Enheduanni
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Posted - 2007.08.02 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: General StarScream on 02/08/2007 23:29:49
Originally by: Shadarle 1. I'd be very scared of investing in someone who types like you do. Perhaps English isn't your primary language... which is why you type so poorly. But honestly, I speak English and if I'm investing in you then I have to be able to communicate with you and understand you fully. 1_1 i understand, while my typing might be missspelled i can asurrue you that i fully understand, allmost every meaning of english words, so it will not be a problem understanding each other.
2. I'd be wary of investing in someone who claims to have bought 20 t2 BPO's and carrier/dread BPO's, yet wasn't saavy enough to keep enough money to handle production of those BPO's.
2-2 Alot of thees bpo where given to me buy a old ceo i had whom have now left the game due to personal issues. and some i have bought with isk i got from selling bpo i had dubbel of.
3. Did you instantly come into the ownership of all these bpo's? If not, why are some not already in production and earning you money.
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yes they have come to me in the last week.
4. Do you have all the capital component BPO's as well to go with those capital ship BPO's? Or are they purely for copying.
4-4 no just the cap bpo no extra compnents, i plan on making em to a good me rate then copy and sell, and buy more, and ceep doing that until the corp gets all the component bpo as well.
5. I hope when you said copying you didn't mean copying T2 bpo's...
5-5 no, but i tought i use invention to speed up with more t2 bpc, as well,f ro those i dont have and offer the share holders 10% of in bu prices on mods,drones,ammo or ships.
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Hanoi Hana
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Posted - 2007.08.03 00:37:00 -
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500mil down payment, no questions asked!! I'm glad we got all the relevant information out in the open
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Dr Slurm
General Commodities
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Posted - 2007.08.03 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hanoi Hana 500mil down payment, no questions asked!! I'm glad we got all the relevant information out in the open
do you post anything relevant?
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General StarScream
Gallente Enheduanni
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Posted - 2007.08.03 03:25:00 -
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pls do not troll, if your not willing to come with ides, or ask me about the ides i have so far, then dont post, go to the test fourm and troll the test post or something.
some people are tyring to heer what the experienced investors are thinking, and want.
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Atreus Danerun
Amarr Caldari Bank
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Posted - 2007.08.03 03:51:00 -
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20x T2 BPOs, even of not a great quality, depending on the item that is, should bring a good amount of ISK.
I do however, have to echo the question asked before: as with any T2 Investment it is now - post invention - imperative to have an assembly line going, where multiple T2 BPOs are working together, and offsetting the loss of profits due to market saturation.
So, the question is, how come you have overextended yourself to the point where you need ISK to actually make the items? I understand the T2 BPO purchases, yes, but it is always imperative to leave a percentage of one's liquid ISK that would go into production support, purchase of components and advanced materials for components, etc.
Anyway, since it appears you do not have too great of a financial security in the current situation, you should make a business plan, show investors what is the current BPO stock is, outline how you plan to use the invested ISK to produce, and eventually repay, and then make more ISK for the investors.
In other words, investors like security.
I have recently thought of creating a private bond issue myself, but I found that I will only be able to give my investors a modest 5% return, in the market where it seems 7%+ is prevalent. As such I decided against it, and will wait till I am better positioned for a private bond issue that would allow me to expand the business.
Best advice, again, is to try and offer your potential investors security, clear explanation of what you expect to achieve and how. And exact amount of ISK your investors are expected to invest and the percentage of the return.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.08.03 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle 5. I hope when you said copying you didn't mean copying T2 bpo's...
Actually, Shardarle, T2 bpo copy times were slashed in one of the patches. They now copy half as fast as they manufacture, so you can copy them if you can't afford to produce and sell and you're not losing out TOO much. I have a bunch of T2 bpos that I can't afford to keep building when my stock simply won't shift for enough profit to be worth it. I just copy them in a station or POS (POS are faster) because it's cheap and effortless ad some day I can sell the bpcs for isk.
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Cherybol
Caldari Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.08.03 08:35:00 -
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Scams are just getting worse and worse in terms of creativity.
Close this, now.
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Astro Teller
Milf Riders
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Astro Teller on 03/08/2007 11:09:36 lol i found this guy making a comment on eve general forums...
Originally by: General StarScream Dude thats pwn
i kill beta players some times.
and im a 6 monht old player.
they still got there hat in there *snip*
you have just gotten bored, maybe if you mix up your playing you get better. 1 and a half year is enuff to skill for a titan.
so i dont think you got any reson to call it a beta game still.
just spec in one race, and plan your skill. so every sp you skill on, counts for your future,
so this 6 month old guy (by his own account) has ALL of these blue prints. wow he must of "found" somewhat to make a lot of money fast- but yet he does not have enough money for minerals???
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Two step
Amarr Chosen Path FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.03 11:58:00 -
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This guy has also been spamming the blueprints channel trying to get people to "invest" in him as well. He doesn't really respond to questions there.
And some questions:
1) Which BPOs? Are they ships? 2) It isn't clear to me if you bought some of the BPOs on the market. If so, why did you spend all your isk on that? 3) A better plan might be to sell the cap ship BPOs, since you can always buy them from NPCs or other players and use that isk to start T2 production.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:16:00 -
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Sure, I would be more than happy to invest in this, on the provision that your t2 bpo's are locked and secured in a corporation with an industry trusted CEO picked by the public. This would work in precisely the same way as FIN run by Eefrit.
If you cannot do such a thing, nor show evidence of your bpo ownership collection (even to a couple of trusted industry members) I find it unlikely you will garnish any kind of investment from the public.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.08.03 15:15:00 -
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The fact that he said he sold off duplicate BPO's is enough to convince every single person not to invest.
It shows he clearly has NO clue what he is talking about or doing. Either he is making it up on the spot or he has never used a T2 bpo before and doesn't understand the market. The more of a single T2 BPO you have the better, especially if it's a semi-decent one. Selling off duplicates is just ********.
This is obviously either a scam or a bad investment or both.
I doubt he even owns the BPO's, but if he does I doubt he got them in a legit manner and didn't scam them from someone or steal them.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.03 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle Selling off duplicates is just ********.
This is obviously either a scam or a bad investment or both.
Whilst I doubt he owns the BPO's, I wouldn't call the above example a reason he is a scam. Some may remember just 1 month ago Khatred (probably one of the top 10 richest players in Eve) sold a lot of his duplicate bpo's) in an auction. I don't know if one could call him a scam for doing so tbh.
Either way, I would never invest in this guy with just his word. It would take screenshots of hangars, some form of security and auditing, a more detailed business plan, and a valuation put on his t2 bpo's and assets being used to secure the investment.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.08.03 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Originally by: Shadarle Selling off duplicates is just ********.
This is obviously either a scam or a bad investment or both.
Whilst I doubt he owns the BPO's, I wouldn't call the above example a reason he is a scam. Some may remember just 1 month ago Khatred (probably one of the top 10 richest players in Eve) sold a lot of his duplicate bpo's) in an auction. I don't know if one could call him a scam for doing so tbh.
Either way, I would never invest in this guy with just his word. It would take screenshots of hangars, some form of security and auditing, a more detailed business plan, and a valuation put on his t2 bpo's and assets being used to secure the investment.
Selling duplicates isn't a scam, but trying to start up a business after you sell off your duplicates and buying up different bpo's... before you even have the cash to start producing the ones you have. That is a scam. When you're low on resources and just starting production the more duplicate BPO's the better as you can buy the same materials for each and it makes every much much easier early on. Once things are running smoothly you can easily transition away from duplicates if you really want to... but generally it's better to have dupes.
One reason to get rid of dupes is if you're ultra rich and have a crapload of T2 bpo's that you may want to diversify completely. Trying to obtain one of every single T2 BPO. This lowers your overall risk if one of your bpo's for which you have 5-10 dupes should decline in value sharply. Plus at that point, if you own that many BPO's, you don't really need the money... it's more of a status symbol and would be nice to claim you own 50-75% of all the T2 bpo's in the game (at least 1 of each).
But when I began t2 production a while back I realized just how much easier it was to have lots of bpo's which rely on most of the same mats. Makes production far easier. Having 20 bpo's which each require completely different mats would be a PITA to keep supplied compared to 20 with a bunch of dupes.
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Ki Shodan
Gallente deep blue
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Posted - 2007.08.03 18:22:00 -
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If you really have 20 T II BPOs: Simply sell one T2 BPO and you have enough funds to go into production for one month for the remaining BPOs. After selling the production, you should have at least doubled the money you have invested in materials, even if you have mostly low profit T II-stuff. Repeat, then buy back the BPO you have sold. For the Capital BPOs make copies and sell them, until you have enough funds to start production with them.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.08.03 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Shodan If you really have 20 T II BPOs: Simply sell one T2 BPO and you have enough funds to go into production for one month for the remaining BPOs. After selling the production, you should have at least doubled the money you have invested in materials, even if you have mostly low profit T II-stuff. Repeat, then buy back the BPO you have sold. For the Capital BPOs make copies and sell them, until you have enough funds to start production with them.
No need for external financial support ...
Which is exactly why this is a scam... or if it is not a scam then it is a HORRIBLE investment. The fact that he couldn't figure this out is the scary part.
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Sienn
Tech 2 Holdings Limited Tech Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.08.10 08:01:00 -
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Starscam was using a screenshot of my corp hangar with 100 tech 2 ammo BPOs in the other day and passing it off as his in all trade channels.
SCAM - no doubt about it. Don't be drawn in!!
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.08.10 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle 1. I'd be very scared of investing in someone who types like you do.
With good reason.
General StarScream is a spam scammer in the BP channel.
I wouldn't waste anymore time helping/commenting on his posts beyond telling him to goto hell.
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LaVista Vista
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.08.10 08:48:00 -
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Im gonna agree with the dude above me:
Go to hell.
Scam, spammer. This is isk sellers trying to find a new way to get isk
This guy is spamming ships and blueprints channel like nothing i have ever seen before. And hes arrogant when you ask him for proof that hes got what he says.
Dont invest.
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Mr. Orange
Gallente Band of Freelancers
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Posted - 2007.08.11 14:52:00 -
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100% SCAM
People call him StarSCAM in all the trade channels. The other day about a dozen people were making fun of him and his lame scam attempt. I mean he can't even do basic math.
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