So any accusations are based (IMO) on probabilities given the AMOUNT of ISK and BPO's available.

For all those people who truly believe that alliances are involved in RMT.. now is the time to put up or shut up.

In the event, they did neither. I think you have your answer now, OP.

there is not some big conspiracy involving CCP

He went to Russia along with his father and his friend Magn+&s +Porsteinsson.

A report published in Denmark noted that the Committee on External Economic Relations in Saint Petersburg Mayor's office was responsible for foreigners. The committee's chairman was Vladimir Putin between 1991 and 1996.[2]

The Icelandic businessmen, together with Russian partners, founded bottling company Baltic Bottling Plant, which was sold to Pepsi. Next they founded a brewing company. -P-P-P "-s-+-G-&-+-&-o-& -&-+-+ "-a-P-m-I" was registered in March 1995 and changed its name to Bravo OOO in February 1996 (address was also changed). It further changed its name to Bravo International OOO in August 1996 and Bravo International JSC in December 1997.[2] Founders of Bravo were six companies registered in Limassol, Cyprus - Bj+&rg+&lfsson was president of all of them.[2] Bravo Brewery became a success on the premium beer Botchkarov.

An article in The Guardian (2005) wondered where Bj+&rg+&lfsson's money comes from and noted that in the 1990s the Icelanders "were not only ploughing money into the country but doing it in the city regarded as the Russian mafia capital. That investment was being made in the drinks sector, seen by the mafia as the industry of choice."[3] Competitors in the Saint Petersburg brewing market faced problems. For instance, Ilya Weismann, deputy director of competing beverage company Baltic, was assassinated on January 10, 2000. Later Baltic director general Aslanbek Chochiev was also assassinated. One competing Saint Petersburg brewery burned to the ground.[2][3]

The company became the fastest growing brewery in Russia. Heineken bought the brewery for $400m in 2002.[2][4]

He returned to Iceland to gain interest in numerous ventures there. [such as a 30% stake in CCP]

Wrong again. RMT is not going anywhere... EVER. It's like torrent. The cause is lost! Nothing can stop this! You will all be slaves to your RMT lords!!!!

dude, the Russian connection is obvious.


Forgot about the reason why CCP showed up in that Illuminati thread on AboveTopSecret but you should check that out, too.

You only don't see the conspiracy because you don't want to see it.

...is more likely done by hoards of pilots in NPC corps in their hulks and macks mining and their BS in missions who work directly for the RMT Sellers and the maybe odd few hundred pilots acting on their accord.

And a quick look through at least one RMT site I dug through will find several Titans available at approx. US$1600 each (just one example).

Last I heard, this required a CSAA in nullsec and given the cook time, support of the alliance holding the CSAA. If this is not proof of 0.0 alliance/s being involved then I'd be eager to hear how not.

And a quick look through at least one RMT site I dug through will find several Titans available at approx. US$1600 each (just one example).

Last I heard, this required a CSAA in nullsec and given the cook time, support of the alliance holding the CSAA. If this is not proof of 0.0 alliance/s being involved then I'd be eager to hear how not. Really, it's a question of WHO and HOW MANY in 0.0 are involved, not WHETHER they are.

If I was the OP, I'd be asking how sales of vessels of this size don't attract SOME attention - at alliance level (unless leadership is involved) or even at CCP level.

You draw your own conclusions.

EDIT. Another thought. A highseccer, even a very successful one is going to make let's say 100m/hour. He's going to need to work 3 hours just to make $10 (assuming 300m isk for $10 is the going rate). Who would? If he runs multiple accounts, he also needs to make enough to pay for his plexes. A lot of work for very little return.

It's why I keep saying so much of the income MUST be coming from passive income streams in the billions, possibly trillions. Only one place and one way that happens.

Simple.. after many years of RMT companies botting the crap out of Eve, buying PLEX using stolen credit information, pretty sure isk is not a problem for them :)

So as another posted said, so long as they have the isk they can purchase a titan and then sell it..

simples

Part of it is the innate easiness to assign RL value to ISK. I mean, if you knew you were sitting on, say $40,000 worth of ISK, and all you needed to do was unload it....

The other part is simple psychology. the average Joe in EVE would go "hells yeah cash out". Next thought is "Well if *I*, being honorable Joe EVE would do it..then obvs those scumbags over in That Corp are doing it. They already jerks."

And these Titans are harboured where?

Of the nullsec alliances my charcaters have been involved in - which comprise several high profile well established PVP alliances - I have never seen anything that would indicate botting or RMT (these are not the same thing) taking place. To me, most of the claims spewed forth on the fourms seems to be 1) part of the never ending propaganda war or 2) set forth by people auto-repeating said propagandists.

I might be wrong ofc, but it seems likely that the both botting and RMT issues - while they almost certainly exist - are hugely inflated.

don't have any fraps but here's a screenshot from December 14th: http://i.imgur.com/j4CKk.jpg

camped the system in a cloaky for two days some time after an alliance mate took this image - first day there still were 2-3 Rorquals idling logged in inside POS shields at all times, second day some guy showed up and pulled down one of the two large staging POSes in system after which the Rorquals (in the other POS) stayed logged off, too.

Snatched some of the POS fuel he had left behind and made my way home, ignoring the mining ships in the system next door.

As you will probably point out I have no reason to suspect anything other than an extremely well coordinated fleet of legit players, so I didn't bother CCP with any sort of petition.

Interestingly, no one in this thread demanding proof of botting has bothered to reply to this quote, though they're more than willing to rip apart those with "he said, she said" type 'evidence'. Seriousley, if you're going to start a thread asking for proof, you best reply to all arguments and not just those that are easy to counter.

I concede that a screenshot of 30 pilots sitting patiently in Mackinaws in null sec POS isn't proof of botting alone. However, take a close look. I selected three random pilots (Sanfords Son, Gen Raptor, and Kira Maas) and did a quick little search on them.

First off, none of these pilots have ever posted a message to the EVE forum. That's fine, most players don't. Next, their Battleclinic. None of them have any kills, just losses. And finally, they all joined Bloodhound. [B] at the same date 8 months and 21 days ago (and they all joined their corp within 3.5-4 months ago).

Conclusive proof? No, but it's kind of hard to ignore.

GG#I think the trouble with me is lack of faith. I have no rational ground for going back on the arguments that convinced me of GodGGVs existence: but the irrational deadweight of my old skeptical habits, and the spirit of this age, and the cares of the day, steal away all my lively feeling of the truth, and often when I pray I wonder if I am not posting letters to a non-existent address. Mind you I donGGVt think soGGvthe whole of my reasonable mind is convinced: but I often feel so. However, there is nothing to do but to peg away.GG%

C.S. Lewis, on Doubt.