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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Endica Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 26/07/2007 01:43:59
Hmhm, after reading most replies I've tried to compile a list of changes that either have been mentioned in this thread or came to my mind while reading it.
- Bumping needs to be fixed. It should depend on mass relation. - Large ships should be able to push/bump much smaller ships aside, 'clearing' their path. - Give wrecks hp according to their size - Delay killmails by 1h or so. Perhaps even give players an option to configure the delay - Give titans more hitpoints - DDD should require most of the capacitor's energy - Titans should be unable to fit cloaking devices - Titans should be very very easy to probe (probably already the case) - Give all titans 7 or 8 weapon hardpoints - Boost the dmg bonus on titans by another 5% - Implement capital class scramblers
Now about the hitpoints - I think titans need to be more 'impressive' on the battlefield and there needs to be a disincentive to call them primary. They costs what? 30-40 times the ISK of a dread. A titan has 10 times the mass of a dread. Yet a titan only has 2 times the hp? That's absurd in game balancing terms. Give titans 5x the hp of a dread and test it on the (Sisi) battlefield. I think that would help them a bit.
I agree about the capital class scramblers. Although I wouldn't limit them to super-caps. Dreads and carriers should also be able to hold down a titan or a mothership. However, make those scramblers very hard to fit, so that fitting two of them leaves a carrier or dread with next to no tank. Give the titan a 5 points warp core strength, so you need at least 6 capital scramblers on it.
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu Also, to the first poster in the post chain, a Revelation is larger than the Executor.
What
A Revelation is about 1,5-2 km long. The Executor is 19km long. Not even the Avatar is that long (altough it is probably more volumous).
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Tom Gunn
Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:08:00 -
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There is nothing at all wrong with dictor bubbles stopping jump outs.
A dictor isn't going to kill a titan, not now, not tomorrow, not ever.
No ship is going to kill a titan in 3 minutes.
A huge capital fleet jumped in, may just do that, but it would be unfair to expect anything else....
The only titan that died in 'real combat' died because it lacked support to combat the opposing fleet. The pilot hoped a cloaking device was enough to conceal him for long enough to be able to jump out. He made a very costly error in judgement but one i doubt will send him or his alliance bankrupt.
and this just makes me laugh,
Quote: it costs 40 bil isk to bulid, and takes lots of efort and time to build. but it can be can be killed by a ship thath cost's 10mil, and a module that cost 200k isk.
It didn't die to an interdictor, it didn't die in 3 minutes to a couple of ships, it died against overwhelming odds.
No ships should be able to escape combat so easily, and we're not just talking about titans here, we're talking about Motherships, of which there are also becoming far too many of in the EvE universe.
Yes it means lazy people have to adapt, yes titan pilots now need to make sure some people are assigned to the job of clearing out dictor bubbles, but hey, thats what EvE is all about, isn't it, Evolution?
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu Uhm. You need to watch that scene again. From wookieepedia:
Quote: The Executor was destroyed at the Battle of Endor after the shields protecting the bridge superstructure were knocked down by a heavy bombardment from the Rebel fleet. Rebel fighter pilot Arvel Crynyd, his A-wing spinning out of control, crashed into the Executor's unprotected command tower, smashing through portions of the bridge section, disabling the massive ship's navigational systems and causing it to drift into a collision with the incomplete second Death Star, where the Star Dreadnought was vaporized.
Saying that the executor was taken out by an A-wing is kinda like saying that Molle's titan was taken out by an interdictor. Sure, it needed to be there, but the Dreads (MonCals) were the ships that really destroyed it (well, provided the firepower that lead to the ship's desctruction).
Also, to the first poster in the post chain, a Revelation is larger than the Executor.
Hmm perhaps you need to watch that scene again rather then quoting wiki like fact.
If you actually watch the scene the bridge deflector "globe thinggy" was destroyed by 2-3 x or y wings. Hence loosing the bridge deflector.. allowing the A wing to crash into it (gotta admit thats a hell of a lucky shot for an out of control fighter) hence loosing control and getting sucked to the Death Star due to gravity.
You assume that the Mon Cal "dreads" actually did much. Most likely the ships shields were still fully functional (I never saw any secondary explosions or fires burning) until the bridge lost its shield and got smacked. Remember the quote "Intensify forward firepower, I don't want anything to get through".. sorta implies that nothings actually hurt the SSD yet.. least not enough to make them hurry around rather then simply standing on the deck watching. It dosen't matter how many turbolasers the Mon Cal's "might" have shot at it with when it was the snubfighters that brought down the bridge shields and 1 A-wing that destroyed the command deck causing the ship to crash.
Remember that as a small rebel fleet vs a very large 30+ strong Destroyer force as well as a 19km Super Star Destroyer.. Home 1 (Admiral Ackbars ship) was slightly larger then an Imp Star duce while the 2-3 other mon cal ships were roughly equal or less then to an Imperial II class Star Destroyer.
Point is.. the ship was brought down directly via snubfighters.. not capital ship assaults. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:18:00 -
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Is your point that you think Titans should all be given trenches, just wide enough for an interceptor to fly down and a reactor core target at the end?
I like it ;)
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Is your point that you think Titans should all be given trenches, just wide enough for an interceptor to fly down and a reactor core target at the end?
I like it ;)
Noooo thats my plan for outposts :P ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:35:00 -
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if struture is based on size of an object and a POS gun has 5 mil hp then why does a titan have 300k? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP |
Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon if struture is based on size of an object and a POS gun has 5 mil hp then why does a titan have 300k?
Stationary weapon emplacements are constructed of superdense metals and alloys that would severly hinder a flying ship hence those metals are used for stationary stations and POS modules as they dont have to move. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Here come the Drums!! - The Master |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 02:48:09 Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 02:46:46
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: MotherMoon if struture is based on size of an object and a POS gun has 5 mil hp then why does a titan have 300k?
Stationary weapon emplacements are constructed of superdense metals and alloys that would severly hinder a flying ship hence those metals are used for stationary stations and POS modules as they dont have to move.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 02:48:09 Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 02:46:46
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: MotherMoon if struture is based on size of an object and a POS gun has 5 mil hp then why does a titan have 300k?
Stationary weapon emplacements are constructed of superdense metals and alloys that would severly hinder a flying ship hence those metals are used for stationary stations and POS modules as they dont have to move.
true.. but... ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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a POS gun is the size of a frigate.
So? dosen't change the fact that its built with metal too dense to fit on a ship. Also dosent require crew quarters or mess halls or bathrooms or any of the other things that take up the interrior space of a frigate.. lots more room for armor defense.
Think about it.. its nothing but a gun the size of a frigate floating in space. guns are small.. frigates are large.. thats alot of spare room for super dense armor plates... oh and no engines either wich is what usually takes up most of a ships space. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.26 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 03:00:10 Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 02:58:01
Originally by: Illyria Ambri If you actually watch the scene the bridge deflector "globe thinggy" was destroyed by 2-3 x or y wings. Hence loosing the bridge deflector.. allowing the A wing to crash into it (gotta admit thats a hell of a lucky shot for an out of control fighter) hence loosing control and getting sucked to the Death Star due to gravity.
You assume that the Mon Cal "dreads" actually did much. Most likely the ships shields were still fully functional (I never saw any secondary explosions or fires burning) until the bridge lost its shield and got smacked. Remember the quote "Intensify forward firepower, I don't want anything to get through".. sorta implies that nothings actually hurt the SSD yet.. least not enough to make them hurry around rather then simply standing on the deck watching. It dosen't matter how many turbolasers the Mon Cal's "might" have shot at it with when it was the snubfighters that brought down the bridge shields and 1 A-wing that destroyed the command deck causing the ship to crash.
Remember that as a small rebel fleet vs a very large 30+ strong Destroyer force as well as a 19km Super Star Destroyer.. Home 1 (Admiral Ackbars ship) was slightly larger then an Imp Star duce while the 2-3 other mon cal ships were roughly equal or less then to an Imperial II class Star Destroyer.
Point is.. the ship was brought down directly via snubfighters.. not capital ship assaults.
Do you actually think those last three ships were the entire bombardment of the destroyer? That activates my hilarity unit.
"We've got to give those fighters more time! Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer!" ―Admiral Ackbar, on board Home One during the Battle of Endor
The Rebel fleet was not small by any means, it was composed of
# Rebel Command Fleet
* 20+ Mon Calamari Star Cruisers (various classes) o Home One type MC80 cruisers + Defiance + Home One + Independence o Liberty type MC80 cruisers + Liberty + Maria + Reef Home o MC80a Star Cruisers * Mon Calamari frigates * Corellian battleships * Destroyers * Carriers * Dreadnaught-class heavy cruisers * Manowars * 1+ Battle Horn-class bulk cruiser o Urjani * 1+ Quasar Fire-class bulk cruiser o DukeDoom o Flurry * 10+ EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigates o Akaga o Mercy o Redemption o Valiance o Yavaris o Antares Six * Kesselian blockade runners * CR90 corvettes o Eridain o Masanya o NovaFlare o Old Republic o Pushti o Saki o Ullet * Corellian gunships o Chandi o Ensaiav o Ghorman's Honor o Mastala o Telsor o Walerv * Steadfast * GR-75 medium transports o Limnate o Luminous o Tuima * 2 Braha'tok-class gunships o Braha'tok o Torktarak * Calamarian Tankers * Alderaanian gunships * Over 500 starfighters (various types) o B-wing starfighters o BTL Y-wing starfighters o RZ-1 A-wing interceptors o T-65 X-wing starfighters o Z-95 Headhunters o Bombers * Millennium Falcon * Bestinian skyhoppers * Sullustian cargo freighters * Tydirium
Although yes, this is significantly smaller than the Empire's fleet (2900 fighters, and 50 Star Destroyers alone), but the Rebel Alliance could never muster that much.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Do you actually think those last three ships were the entire bombardment of the destroyer? That activates my hilarity unit.
"We've got to give those fighters more time! Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer!" ―Admiral Ackbar, on board Home One during the Battle of Endor
Never said they were.. but with shields still up.. the Mon Cal's couldn't hurt it much. They were still in the process of taking the shields down to get at the chewy center when a stray ship popped the ships head causing it to crash. Sure the Rebel firepower helped.. but the ship was actually broguht down by a few lucky fighters and 1 poor sap in an A-wing before the capital ships could get past the primary shields. Few nicely placed x-wing proton torpedos to take off the bridge shield and nicly crashed A-wing to send it crashing out of control. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Here come the Drums!! - The Master |
XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:01:00 -
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Edited by: XoPhyte on 26/07/2007 03:03:49
Originally by: Tom Gunn The only titan that died in 'real combat' died because it lacked support to combat the opposing fleet.
Not exactly, even with a supporting fleet the titan would have been primaried and killed. It takes longer to kill 1 sieged dread then a titan, so even if a supporting fleet arrived to combat the hostile dreads, the titan would have died before even 1 of the hostile dreads had died.
I think the overall problem lies with wrecks, small ships bumping larger ships, bumping off biomass and other wrecks, and the general imbalance of small ships scramming bigger ships.
1) fix unmovable biomass and wrecks.
2) fix smartbombs so they don't originate from the center of a ship, but rather the edges (or simply increase the range of the smartbomb in relation to the size of the ship as a compensation).
3) Balance the scrambling ability of ships...
I would really like to see a new point system associated with scrambles (more so then today). What I mean is this....
Frigates can fit frigate size scramblers which allow them to scramble other frigates and perhaps cruisers. The larger the ship you fly, the bigger the scrambler you can fit, or the more points that gets assigned to the scrambler you have fitted.
So lets say a frigate has a value of 1, a BS of 5. Now if a frigate scrams a BS, 1/5 of those points are used up, therefore it 20% longer for the BS to get to warp. If 5 frigates scram a bs (or 5 points are assigned to a BS) then it has no way to warp. If a BS scrams a BS its stuck as it would already have a +5 value. And you can give specialized ships like interceptors and dictors a default value of +5 so they can hold a bs solo since their real function is to be a tackler.
Just a thought.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Although yes, this is significantly smaller than the Empire's fleet (2900 fighters, and 50 Star Destroyers alone), but the Rebel Alliance could never muster that much.
And where are you getting these numbers and names from? Wiki again?
Anyone that quotes a wiki as fact automaticly looses the argument.
btw if you think Lucas and friends actually spent the time to come up with names for all the ships you just listed.. you're the crazy one.
Those names are simply fans and writers trying to give it more depth.. other then home 1 and "the medical frigate" there is zero eviudence that any were actually named.. those were just all made up.. like all information in a wiki can be.
Again.. quote wiki as a factual source and loose the argument automaticly ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Here come the Drums!! - The Master |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Do you actually think those last three ships were the entire bombardment of the destroyer? That activates my hilarity unit.
"We've got to give those fighters more time! Concentrate all fire on that Super Star Destroyer!" ―Admiral Ackbar, on board Home One during the Battle of Endor
Never said they were.. but with shields still up.. the Mon Cal's couldn't hurt it much. They were still in the process of taking the shields down to get at the chewy center when a stray ship popped the ships head causing it to crash. Sure the Rebel firepower helped.. but the ship was actually broguht down by a few lucky fighters and 1 poor sap in an A-wing before the capital ships could get past the primary shields. Few nicely placed x-wing proton torpedos to take off the bridge shield and nicly crashed A-wing to send it crashing out of control.
I don't know if that's the case. Because in the movie it's not obvious, and as much as I'd like to pretend, I don't know the entire extended universe.
By the way, I edited it to add the whole rebel space fleet.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 03:10:57 Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 03:08:57
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Although yes, this is significantly smaller than the Empire's fleet (2900 fighters, and 50 Star Destroyers alone), but the Rebel Alliance could never muster that much.
And where are you getting these numbers and names from? Wiki again?
Anyone that quotes a wiki as fact automaticly looses the argument.
btw if you think Lucas and friends actually spent the time to come up with names for all the ships you just listed.. you're the crazy one.
Those names are simply fans and writers trying to give it more depth.. other then home 1 and "the medical frigate" there is zero eviudence that any were actually named.. those were just all made up.. like all information in a wiki can be.
Again.. quote wiki as a factual source and loose the argument automaticly
Clearly you don't know the depths of the Star Wars extended universe. And one of the biggest things about Star Wars fandom was that George Lucas literally did have names and backstories for virtually all the characters that appeared in the movies. We could write a novel based on the biographies of those in the Mos Eisley Cantina alone.
Even though I don't need to use Wikipedia (Or Wookiepedia), due to the fact that I own more Star Wars crap than my car is worth, you might want to try reading this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm Unless of course, you don't think the BBC and the British Journal "Nature" are reliable.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
I don't know if that's the case. Because in the movie it's not obvious, and as much as I'd like to pretend, I don't know the entire extended universe.
By the way, I edited it to add the whole rebel space fleet.
See thats the point.. there is no definate information on the contents of either fleet except Home 1, various other mon cal cruisers, some Nebulon B frigates and a crap load of Star Distroyers and a single Super Star Destroyer. Sure the rebel fleet decided to "concentrate all fire" however we also have no idea if anyone actually shot it except by the fact that other then the bridge itself that was blowing up and on fire.. there was no other visible damage, probably indicating that all shields except the bridge ones were still up and active.
Its another one of those no definate answer (since lucas and friends never felt the need to convey that info).. we just keep arguing forever types of subjects. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Here come the Drums!! - The Master |
Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Even though I don't need to use Wikipedia (Or Wookiepedia), due to the fact that I own more Star Wars crap than my car is worth, you might want to try reading this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm Unless of course, you don't think the BBC and the British Journal "Nature" are reliable.
Oh I'm sure the BBC is reliable.. But its not the BBC we are talking about. Nor are we refering to the scientific articles that BBC checked on. We are talking about science fiction entries that are open to interpretation and editign by anyone.
You did read the tidbit at the end? "Wikipedia came under fire earlier this month from prominent US journalist John Seigenthaler.
The founding editorial director of USA Today attacked a Wikipedia entry that incorrectly named him as a suspect in the assassinations of president John F Kennedy and his brother, Robert.
The false information was the work of Tennessean Brian Chase, who said he was trying to trick a co-worker. "
This alone proves.. Wikipedia as a factual source is incorrect.
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Here come the Drums!! - The Master |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 03:19:49
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 02:48:09 Edited by: MotherMoon on 26/07/2007 02:46:46
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: MotherMoon if struture is based on size of an object and a POS gun has 5 mil hp then why does a titan have 300k?
Stationary weapon emplacements are constructed of superdense metals and alloys that would severly hinder a flying ship hence those metals are used for stationary stations and POS modules as they dont have to move.
true.. but... ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
http://www.paul.penguincrossing.com/images/eve_chart-rmr.jpg
a POS gun is the size of a frigate.
So? dosen't change the fact that its built with metal too dense to fit on a ship. Also dosent require crew quarters or mess halls or bathrooms or any of the other things that take up the interrior space of a frigate.. lots more room for armor defense.
Think about it.. its nothing but a gun the size of a frigate floating in space. guns are small.. frigates are large.. thats alot of spare room for super dense armor plates... oh and no engines either wich is what usually takes up most of a ships space.
Linkage
but were not talking about armor plates. that is called armor hp
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Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar Corp die auf alles schiesst wo was sie Lust hat
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: kittypaws
The 10 minunte "cool down timer" before you can jump out is realy god, not beeing able to jump out of bubbles is stupid,
Why? If some small dictorbubbles are preventing the Titan from jumping and it gets popped, than you had the wrong tactics. If you only jump in wtfbbqubacapitals'nBSblobbz and forget small supportships that take out the enemies dictors and kill the dictorbubbles, than your FC failed.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:22:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 03:23:26
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Even though I don't need to use Wikipedia (Or Wookiepedia), due to the fact that I own more Star Wars crap than my car is worth, you might want to try reading this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm Unless of course, you don't think the BBC and the British Journal "Nature" are reliable.
Oh I'm sure the BBC is reliable.. But its not the BBC we are talking about. Nor are we refering to the scientific articles that BBC checked on. We are talking about science fiction entries that are open to interpretation and editign by anyone.
You did read the tidbit at the end? "Wikipedia came under fire earlier this month from prominent US journalist John Seigenthaler.
The founding editorial director of USA Today attacked a Wikipedia entry that incorrectly named him as a suspect in the assassinations of president John F Kennedy and his brother, Robert.
The false information was the work of Tennessean Brian Chase, who said he was trying to trick a co-worker. "
This alone proves.. Wikipedia as a factual source is incorrect.
Except it was fixed soon enough. By your logic, no encyclopedia is a factual source, since none of them are 100% correct.
The main difference, is Encyclopedia Britannica or any other doesn't have nearly the size of oversight Wikipedia does. And errors are fixed much more quickly (you've got at least a year before a new printing.
Amazingly enough, there's a great Wikipedia page of Errors in the Encyclopedia Britannica that have been Corrected in Wikipedia
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 03:23:26
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Even though I don't need to use Wikipedia (Or Wookiepedia), due to the fact that I own more Star Wars crap than my car is worth, you might want to try reading this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm Unless of course, you don't think the BBC and the British Journal "Nature" are reliable.
Oh I'm sure the BBC is reliable.. But its not the BBC we are talking about. Nor are we refering to the scientific articles that BBC checked on. We are talking about science fiction entries that are open to interpretation and editign by anyone.
You did read the tidbit at the end? "Wikipedia came under fire earlier this month from prominent US journalist John Seigenthaler.
The founding editorial director of USA Today attacked a Wikipedia entry that incorrectly named him as a suspect in the assassinations of president John F Kennedy and his brother, Robert.
The false information was the work of Tennessean Brian Chase, who said he was trying to trick a co-worker. "
This alone proves.. Wikipedia as a factual source is incorrect.
Except it was fixed soon enough. By your logic, no encyclopedia is a factual source, since none of them are 100% correct.
The main difference, is Encyclopedia Britannica or any other doesn't have nearly the size of oversight Wikipedia does. And errors are fixed much more quickly (you've got at least a year before a new printing.
Amazingly enough, there's a great Wikipedia page of Errors in the Encyclopedia Britannica that have been Corrected in Wikipedia
nice. I think you just won. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
nice. I think you just won.
Sweet! All rewards, admiration, and donation are payable in ISK.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 26/07/2007 03:47:20
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Except it was fixed soon enough. By your logic, no encyclopedia is a factual source, since none of them are 100% correct.
The main difference, is Encyclopedia Britannica or any other doesn't have nearly the size of oversight Wikipedia does. And errors are fixed much more quickly (you've got at least a year before a new printing.
Actually my logic is you cannot necessarily argue as fact based on something thats editable by anyone that wants to click the edit button. Sure it may get changed eventually once someone catches it but the fact of the matter is it can be changed at any time by anyone regardless of if they catch it 10 seconds or 10 months later.
Sure the Encyclopedia may have wrong answers in it.. everything is subject to inaccuracies.. but not everything is subject to any websurfers whim that decides their version is better. Nor are we discussing the encyclopedia and its possible inaccuracies.
------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
Here come the Drums!! - The Master |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Illyria Ambri Edited by: Illyria Ambri on 26/07/2007 03:47:20
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Except it was fixed soon enough. By your logic, no encyclopedia is a factual source, since none of them are 100% correct.
The main difference, is Encyclopedia Britannica or any other doesn't have nearly the size of oversight Wikipedia does. And errors are fixed much more quickly (you've got at least a year before a new printing.
Actually my logic is you cannot necessarily argue as fact based on something thats editable by anyone that wants to click the edit button. Sure it may get changed eventually once someone catches it but the fact of the matter is it can be changed at any time by anyone regardless of if they catch it 10 seconds or 10 months later.
Sure the Encyclopedia may have wrong answers in it.. everything is subject to inaccuracies.. but not everything is subject to any websurfers whim that decides their version is better. Nor are we discussing the encyclopedia and its possible inaccuracies.
The whole problem with that though, is we have empirical evidence to suggest that this isn't the case. Open source for one.
Just because someone can do something doesn't mean it actually gets done. You can't argue a point on what might happen, when what does happen is different. If you want further proof you can look at mathmatical articles, it is easy to tell if those are factually incorrect.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.26 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 26/07/2007 03:59:41 wikipedia is not an acreditted source of information, in fact if you cite it as a source in university most professors will instafail the project even if you ARE right
but I still think Illyria is a troll
Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 04:05:33
Originally by: Tortun Nahme Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 26/07/2007 03:59:41 wikipedia is not an acreditted source of information, in fact if you cite it as a source in university most professors will instafail the project even if you ARE right
but I still think Illyria is a troll
So then you don't cite wikipedia, but you site the website that they cited. Gets around the name bias.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
but I still think Illyria is a troll
Think differently ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 04:05:33
Originally by: Tortun Nahme Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 26/07/2007 03:59:41 wikipedia is not an acreditted source of information, in fact if you cite it as a source in university most professors will instafail the project even if you ARE right
but I still think Illyria is a troll
So then you don't cite wikipedia, but you site the website that they cited. Gets around the name bias.
its not just a name bias, its way too easy to get BAD information from wikipedia Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Nerfageddon |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.26 04:13:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 04:14:25
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/07/2007 04:05:33
Originally by: Tortun Nahme Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 26/07/2007 03:59:41 wikipedia is not an acreditted source of information, in fact if you cite it as a source in university most professors will instafail the project even if you ARE right
but I still think Illyria is a troll
So then you don't cite wikipedia, but you site the website that they cited. Gets around the name bias.
its not just a name bias, its way too easy to get BAD information from wikipedia
Except the BBC article I posted still says differently. And if you don't want to see the article, the study came directly from a study by the British Journal "Nature." And it states the Wikipedia is just about as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. So if you are going to base it on accuracy, if you won't take one, you shouldn't take the other.
Yes it agrees that there are many small and not fully developed entries in Wikipedia, but if you can't tell those from the well-written ones you probably shouldn't be doing research in the first place.
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