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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.07.20 21:54:00 -
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Well, instead of giving the Manti and extra launcher, there are a number of options available.
Rate of Fire Flight Time Missile Velocity Explosion Velocity
I'd be happy with any of those. Let the Manti have it's special oomph.
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.07.20 21:58:00 -
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Whatever happened to the speed boost SBs were supposed to get? I had heard their speed was pretty much doubled on the test server before Rev. I was much looking forward to hauling ass in my Manti. Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Ararius
e X i l e FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.20 22:24:00 -
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Give it a 4th Launcher hardpoint and the extra grid/cpu to fit it
Originally by: Alski It depends how much CCP learn from past user interface mistakes, i'm sure they'll do very well, but if not i'll be right clicking on random people and selecting "Orbit at 0.5m" |
Audri Fisher
Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.07.20 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Eefrit With the recent changes to stealth bombers (3 launcher slots for all of them) the manticore seems to need a bit of a fix.
The description reads as follows: "Lai Dai have always favored a balanced approach to their mix of on-board systems, leading to a line-up of versatile ships. The Manticore differs from other stealth bombers by virtue of its additional launcher hardpoint."
I realise that the other bombers needed a bit of a boost, but if that is the case, would it not be possible to adjust the manticore as well so that we don't get to a situation (which seems likely) that all race ships are really the same just with different modules.
Gallente are drone specialists Amarr are the tank Minmatar are the flying ductape of speed Caldari are the missile specialists
Please can we keep to some differences between the races?
My suggestion: give the Manticore 4 launcher slots, or an additional mid or low slot.
Let the flames begin!
Caldari are the long range specialist. merlin, harpy, moa, eagle, cormorat, ferox, vulture Rohk come to mind....
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.07.21 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher Caldari are the long range specialist. merlin, harpy, moa, eagle, cormorat, ferox, vulture Rohk come to mind....
With that in mind... perhaps the Flight Time and/or Missile Velocity would be in line.
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Raneru
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.07.21 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Eefrit
Please can we keep to some differences between the races?
EM, Kinetic, Thermal, Explosive.
while we are on changes tho, please can the nemesis have more grid? thx
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.21 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Frug on 21/07/2007 01:45:56
Originally by: Mort Sinious
Diversity is good. One ship better than the others is bad though.
That's not true. Different ships in different classes for different races can and should be good at different things. Many people complain about the caldari sucking at pvp (with some exceptions, like jamming) There's no reason why one race shouldn't have a better stealth bomber. One race clearly has the best jamming ships already and that's not a bad thing.
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Incantare
Caldari Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.21 01:56:00 -
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I have trouble following your logic. Caldari have the best jammer ships because they have the only jammer ships. Battleships are good at different things but should be equally good overall. However stealth bombers are very similar in purpose, comparisons are easier and there's no reason for one to be inferior.
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Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.21 07:56:00 -
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I completely agree that the Manticore should be the strongest stealth bomber for using cruise missiles, since Caldari are of course the missile race.
Also since its the slowest, it should be designed more around the cruise launchers, instead of dropping bombs.
A damage increase that is higher than the other races is what I would like to see(better alpha).
Another idea would be to give the Manticore a buff to cap regen and cpu(so you can properly use all of those midslots without any cap mods, while also fitting 2x BCU).
Adding a ROF bonus isnt as good for the alpha strike as a damage bonus, since you dont always get to stay uncloaked for many volleys.
A missile velocity bonus wouldnt make a huge difference in most cases, unless it was quite a large buff. Most of the SB's I've seen/read use sensor damps, and without a bonus, you have to be relativly close to use those anyhow.
The same applys to the flight time.
Adding a 4th launcher hardpoint seems over the top IMO. You'd need to buff the CPU/PG to make a decent fit, which would bring the Manticore too far out of line with the other SB's.
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Tuko kun
Gallente Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.07.21 09:17:00 -
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Saying that the manti should get another launcher or another bonus because caldari are the missile race is silly. Almost every ship in teh game has a specific role that is diffrent for each race. examples: tier 1 bs: domi is a drone boat. scorp is a ecm boat. hac's: deimos is up close baster beast. eagle is long range sniper
tier 1 bc: brutix is close range blaster (according to background) ferrox is long raneg sniper
now. stealth bombers, reguardless of race are designed with launching cruise and dropping bombs. just because caldari use missile more than anyone doesnt mean that they would have some godly bomber with loads more missiles than the rest. sure mabye some other bonus for each race with the caldari bonus being missile related. but no way should they get a 4th launcher. afetr all. what would stop the gallente stealing the design? Chuck Norris played the eve beta. But when he fit a roundhouse kick to his ibis it caused the collapse of the eve gate, the minmatar to revolt, the jove to go into excile and drones turned stupid. |
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Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.21 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tuko kun Saying that the manti should get ... another bonus because caldari are the missile race is silly.
Originally by: Tuko kun
sure mabye some other bonus for each race with the caldari bonus being missile related.
Originally by: Tuko kun
Almost every ship in teh game has a specific role that is diffrent for each race.
Well the roles are to either drop bombs or use launchers. You cant really do both without gimping your setup.
All of the other races drop bombs better than the Manticore, so why shouldnt it use launchers better?
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Tuko kun
Gallente Spartan Industrial Manufacturing
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Posted - 2007.07.21 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Methem All of the other races drop bombs better than the Manticore, so why shouldnt it use launchers better? [/quote
well there is a diffrence between using somthing better and using more of them. if you fit a drake and a ferox with 5 HML. what one would use them better?
Chuck Norris played the eve beta. But when he fit a roundhouse kick to his ibis it caused the collapse of the eve gate, the minmatar to revolt, the jove to go into excile and drones turned stupid. |
Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.07.21 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tuko kun
Originally by: Methem All of the other races drop bombs better than the Manticore, so why shouldnt it use launchers better? [/quote
well there is a diffrence between using somthing better and using more of them. if you fit a drake and a ferox with 5 HML. what one would use them better?
If you are talking about adding another launcher to the Manticore, I agree that its a bad idea. Your response above made it sound like you are against a buff for the Manticore, and I personally think its in need of at least a small buff.
When I'm home from work I'll try to post a stat comparison.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.07.21 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 21/07/2007 10:10:25 ehm this is a matter of balance. so every ship should get (roughly) the same firepower, no? -> if caldari get an extra for "their" weapon class, i want large arties on my hound kthxbye
besides - if missles are your main weapon, you most likely have _all_ the skills. for everybody else, it's a secondary skill and stopping at lvl3/4 is common
so... just edit the description - putting the gist back into logistics |
Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2007.07.21 11:18:00 -
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Drone bay enough for a couple of heavy drones on the Nemesis. And a couple of tachyons on the purifier. Both with bonus to them offcourse.
Sounds like a splendid idea.
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insidion
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Posted - 2007.07.21 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Raneru
Originally by: Eefrit
Please can we keep to some differences between the races?
EM, Kinetic, Thermal, Explosive.
while we are on changes tho, please can the nemesis have more grid? thx
Forget about the whole '4th missile slot for caldari', this is really what we're talking about. *ALL* SB's are too slow, too clumsy, have no tank, have too little CPU and fall way short on PG to make them truly useful ships. It still strikes me as odd that they can't use the covops cloak either. It's still too much against them, despite the recent changes.
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2007.07.21 16:18:00 -
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Signed.
However, don't expect any positive action from CCP. Expect that the Manticore will be nerfed some more.
CCP hates Caldari. Anytime a Caldari ship or weapon shows any signs of usefulness, CCP nerfs that usefulness and adds an extra nerf just for spite.
My advice is to train for Minmatar stealth bombers.
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.21 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Price Watcher Signed.
However, don't expect any positive action from CCP. Expect that the Manticore will be nerfed some more.
CCP hates Caldari. Anytime a Caldari ship or weapon shows any signs of usefulness, CCP nerfs that usefulness and adds an extra nerf just for spite.
My advice is to train for Minmatar stealth bombers.
:(
I don't get how all the SB's were useless, but you add a launcher for the rest of them except caldari and now the sb's are equal. 1+1=2 1+0=2?
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.07.21 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Eefrit With the recent changes to stealth bombers (3 launcher slots for all of them) the manticore seems to need a bit of a fix.
The description reads as follows: "Lai Dai have always favored a balanced approach to their mix of on-board systems, leading to a line-up of versatile ships. The Manticore differs from other stealth bombers by virtue of its additional launcher hardpoint."
I realise that the other bombers needed a bit of a boost, but if that is the case, would it not be possible to adjust the manticore as well so that we don't get to a situation (which seems likely) that all race ships are really the same just with different modules.
Gallente are drone specialists Amarr are the tank Minmatar are the flying ductape of speed Caldari are the missile specialists
Please can we keep to some differences between the races?
My suggestion: give the Manticore 4 launcher slots, or an additional mid or low slot.
Let the flames begin!
No.
Originally by: Goumindong it is at the point where it is impossible to determine whether or not you are trolling or if you area really out of your freaking mind.
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Cleveland Steam
Neverland Ranch Hands
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Posted - 2007.07.21 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cleveland Steam on 21/07/2007 21:46:03
They should give the manti a per-level optimal range increase to medium hybrids to fix the imba.
Plz dont nerf my sig again... |
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