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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:10:00 -
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OK, maybe they are a bit annoying and repetitive and a little to bright, but check this out... proof that CCP know's their stuff
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Chainsaw Plankton
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:19:00 -
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yes but do most nebulas circle solar systems?
that and do all solar systems have them?
i must say i want to just see some really dark system with a good view of the stars around it
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Gojyu
Gallente Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 20/07/2007 00:24:12 Those things are also photoshopped, I believe the euphemism is "digitally enhanced"
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Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre OK, maybe they are a bit annoying and repetitive and a little to bright, but check this out... proof that CCP know's their stuff
Go outside tonight and look up. Is that what you see? No.
Most of the pictures you see like that are shifted so gamma and radio waves show in colors we can see, so we know more is going on than just blackness. But since we CAN'T see that, we wouldn't always be seeing BLINDINGLY BRIGHT backgrounds. Sometimes, yes. But certainly not always.
IMO there needs to be a way to fade down the skyboxes from solid black to what we have now, ffs I don't want them this damn bright. -----
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.07.20 00:56:00 -
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Bloody hell, calm down people. I really only posted it because I thought it was a nice picture to look at and kinda reminded me of some of the backgrounds in Eve (particularly those awful pink ones)
Mind you, I did expect that I'd get a few people going "oooh... ahhhh... perty!".
And for the record, I do think the current backgrounds are far too bright and annoying and the ability to tone them down or turn them off would be ideal.
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PWNERIZE
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:00:00 -
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Aw look. It's Tasti.
It is a nice picture btw.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:09:00 -
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Yep, shots like those are composited from several different pictures taken at various points on the non-visual spectrum. But hey, maybe that's what our pod circuits are doing in the game, letting us see all sorts of different wavelengths of light.
After all we see everything Amarr turrets do, no matter what type of crystal they've got in there :)
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu Edited by: Gojyu on 20/07/2007 00:25:18 Those things are also photoshopped, I believe the euphemism is "digitally enhanced"
Well, not quite photoshopping, but the hubble pictures are composed of the ultraviolet and the infrared ends of the spectrum. Then the picture is created using "false colour" to highlight the detail.
Nothing is added, but you would never "see" it like that. My favourite of course is the pillars of creation...absolutely breath taking when you realise the dots are galaxys..not stars
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink Yep, shots like those are composited from several different pictures taken at various points on the non-visual spectrum.
If you read the associated text then it states that this is a composite from visible light images.
At least I think that is what it is trying to say because it's a little ambiguous.
Quote: taken from a mosaic containing a billion pixels by Hubble's Advanced Camera for Surveys. The resulting image uncovered thousands of stars never seen before in visible light.
This could mean it wasn't visible light images and that it showed stars that didn't show up in visible light images.
Quote: Among the stars Hubble spotted for the first time in visible light in Orion were young brown dwarfs...
That bit doesn't neccessarily refer to this image (but I believe it does).
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MrChook
Zoroaster Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar some stuff
Hi Flinx !
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:28:00 -
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Yes, it would be nice to have EVE look a little bit more like real space (ie, not nebulae everywhere, and differences between the center of the galaxy and the outer areas).
However, I'm just gonna play Microsoft Space Simulator.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: MrChook
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar some stuff
Hi Flinx !
The Chookster \/
Hope you well mate.
@Maglorre
Quote: The color image is constructed from three separate images taken in the light of emission from different types of atoms. Red shows emission from singly-ionized sulfur atoms. Green shows emission from hydrogen. Blue shows light emitted by doubly- ionized oxygen atoms.
That ain't no ordinary light mate, unless you got some serious Tech 2 eyeballs
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Quote: The color image is constructed from three separate images taken in the light of emission from different types of atoms. Red shows emission from singly-ionized sulfur atoms. Green shows emission from hydrogen. Blue shows light emitted by doubly- ionized oxygen atoms.
That ain't no ordinary light mate, unless you got some serious Tech 2 eyeballs
I was referring to the text from the NASA link I gave, not the one you gave.
And yeah, I've got some T2 eyeballs, but they are funny ones, not serious ones
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre
I was referring to the text from the NASA link I gave, not the one you gave.
And yeah, I've got some T2 eyeballs, but they are funny ones, not serious ones
Both pictures were taken by Hubble
From the text on your pic:
Quote: The resulting image uncovered thousands of stars never seen before in visible light.
That's a clue about the spectrum thing But nice pic anyway
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Vitrael
Stormriders Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2007.07.20 01:52:00 -
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OP:
Most pretty NASA pics are colorized.
[;)]
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.07.20 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
From the text on your pic:
Quote: The resulting image uncovered thousands of stars never seen before in visible light.
That's a clue about the spectrum thing But nice pic anyway
Also from the text on my link, another clue !
Quote: Among the stars Hubble spotted for the first time in visible light in Orion were young brown dwarfs...
Hubble can take pictures in the visible light spectrum too, ya know? But I'm still a little undecided as mentioned in a previous post, the text is a little ambiguous (but I still think they are implying it's a visible light image).
Anyway, who cares? It's an awesome pic and makes a nice desktop background.
Don't argue with me Flinx because I will always win. And if I don't I will hunt you down and pod you ! You in your T2 Huginn with T2 720mm artillery will be no match for me in my, erm, whatever noob ship Gallente's get.
Muhahahahah!!
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.07.20 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Vitrael OP:
Most pretty NASA pics are colorized.
[;)]
Did I say it was NOT colourised?
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.07.20 02:29:00 -
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that's merely a hoax. nasa hires air brush artist to produce those supposed "hubble telescope" pictures.
Originally by: Maglorre OK, maybe they are a bit annoying and repetitive and a little to bright, but check this out... proof that CCP know's their stuff
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.07.20 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: smashsmash that's merely a hoax. nasa hires air brush artist to produce those supposed "hubble telescope" pictures.
Yeah! And we never put people on the moon either. It was ll done in a film studio in the desert.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.20 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre
Originally by: Vitrael OP:
Most pretty NASA pics are colorized.
[;)]
Did I say it was NOT colourised?
Uh, you said CCP knows their stuff because the nasa pics like the one linked show...
Hell I shouldn't have to quote your OP to you.
Space is not like that everywhere, those pics are colorized (how you spell colorized depends on where you live, by the by), and eve spans an entire galaxy. I don't believe these nebulae cover that much of any galaxy.
Unless it was some kind of crazy special galaxy full of lots of dust.
Dust that might be so dense that it slows ships down in it, making them fly like they were in an atmosphere.
Explaining Eve's physics.
But you're still wrong.
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Ftang Ftang
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Posted - 2007.07.20 02:36:00 -
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OOOOH AAAAAAH!
Now kill the nebula effects in Eve, please?
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J'ghathii
Caldari 54th Knights Templar O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.07.20 02:54:00 -
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Yo all also remember that this picture is from exposure time in the hours too, right?
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.20 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Maglorre OK, maybe they are a bit annoying and repetitive and a little to bright, but check this out... proof that CCP know's their stuff
Go outside tonight and look up. Is that what you see? No.
Most of the pictures you see like that are shifted so gamma and radio waves show in colors we can see, so we know more is going on than just blackness. But since we CAN'T see that, we wouldn't always be seeing BLINDINGLY BRIGHT backgrounds. Sometimes, yes. But certainly not always.
IMO there needs to be a way to fade down the skyboxes from solid black to what we have now, ffs I don't want them this damn bright.
You do understand that between us, the humans, and the stars is a light refracting and absorbing barrier of gases called an atmosphere. If you're trying to argue that the universe looks like nothing but black backgrounds with dim pulsating points, you fail at not only free thinking, but life.
Now get out of this thread before you hurt someone with your stupidity.
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Lewis Atreides
Caldari House Atreides trade
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Posted - 2007.07.20 03:22:00 -
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While I dont really leave empire space much there is a few sections that have not "black" space but a really cool non-nebula backgrond, and isn't there a region that has a black background? **--------**--------------** While blood, carnage, and distruction may be my "happy place" that is nothing like the feeling I get while hauling 2 mill isk in good theu low sec. |
Vincenzo Delloro
Amarr Lux et Veritas
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Posted - 2007.07.20 03:29:00 -
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It is very important that my internet spaceship game looks like it would if I was really flying through space. I will not accept imitation or bad science!
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.07.20 03:35:00 -
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Why all the fuss? As anxious as I truly am to actually see humans regularly traveling in space, it would make for a pretty dull backdrop in the game. To boot, there wouldn't be any sounds.
I like eve the way it is.. you bring it any closer to reality and the game would start to be borified(tm).
Kind of like mencia said recently, this is like watching a movie with a friend, liking the movie then having your friend cut it down because it's not realistic. IT'S A FREAKING MOVIE!!! (or game in this case)
If we wanted realistic we'd go outside and enjoy reality. I personally want something close enough to reality to make me forget it's not (not hard when you play outside of sobriety ) but touched up to make me go 'ooo purty'
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.20 04:03:00 -
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It would be something if the EVE backgrounds were actually that nice, but they aren't, they're low res crap. -
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Margeth
Amarr Deviance Inc Karnal Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.07.20 05:25:00 -
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As you're saying it's a visible light image, HOWEVER, it was taken with a very long exposure time, You really wouldn't see a nebulae like that with the naked eye.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.20 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre
Originally by: Winterblink Yep, shots like those are composited from several different pictures taken at various points on the non-visual spectrum.
If you read the associated text then it states that this is a composite from visible light images.
At least I think that is what it is trying to say because it's a little ambiguous.
Sweet if that's the case. That being said, I'm fairly confident the exposures used were pretty damn long.
Gotta love Hubble.
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Illyria Ambri
RennTech
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Posted - 2007.07.20 07:28:00 -
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Lets just say that for interstellar gasses... they all sure look the same all over the universe.. we need more nebula variety ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek
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Cauchy Schwarz
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Posted - 2007.07.20 07:34:00 -
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i hope, you all have considered that the main reason why the background and space is relativly colourful most of the time is that a game with permanent black background is not playable. i hope you see the point. just check other games in space, i dare saying that they all have nebulae and stuff in background, just to keep being playable and eye-cosy
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Sharupak
Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2007.07.20 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sharupak on 20/07/2007 07:54:00
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Maglorre OK, maybe they are a bit annoying and repetitive and a little to bright, but check this out... proof that CCP know's their stuff
Go outside tonight and look up. Is that what you see? No.
Most of the pictures you see like that are shifted so gamma and radio waves show in colors we can see, so we know more is going on than just blackness. But since we CAN'T see that, we wouldn't always be seeing BLINDINGLY BRIGHT backgrounds. Sometimes, yes. But certainly not always.
IMO there needs to be a way to fade down the skyboxes from solid black to what we have now, ffs I don't want them this damn bright.
You do understand that between us, the humans, and the stars is a light refracting and absorbing barrier of gases called an atmosphere. If you're trying to argue that the universe looks like nothing but black backgrounds with dim pulsating points, you fail at not only free thinking, but life.
Now get out of this thread before you hurt someone with your stupidity.
Ahh, good, you took care of it.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.07.20 08:01:00 -
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Every time I think of space, I think of how insignificant we all are in the grand scheme of things.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Luna Nilaya
Black-Mesa THE V I G I L
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Posted - 2007.07.20 09:10:00 -
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No one seemed to zoom. I bet that image was taken with very high zoom level. Even if you could see that with naked eye instead of very long exposure, you would only see a dot most likely.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.07.20 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cauchy Schwarz i hope, you all have considered that the main reason why the background and space is relativly colourful most of the time is that a game with permanent black background is not playable. i hope you see the point. just check other games in space, i dare saying that they all have nebulae and stuff in background, just to keep being playable and eye-cosy
Hey, I got no problem with "eye-cosy". I got no real beef with seeing the same cloud ring in 50 different shades. I can live with that.
What I do have a problem with is seeing if my modules are flashing green or red due to some of the shades in the background. And I hate having to play in widescreen since I'm already in windowed mode to begin with for my double head setup.
"streams of charged particles ejected by the Trapezium stars -- collide with material in the Orion Nebula" That's cool. But if I can't see my modules, Nerf Trapezium Stars!!
jk mostly. Cool pic
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Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2007.07.20 09:34:00 -
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I hereby declare the veracity of the rationale "but you would never see it this way!". In truth we all know that you are not in your pod, but floating around the ship in the camera position viewing your surroundings with the naked eye. Thus, in the sake of realism, you should never be able to see anything again after getting near a sun once or looking into an Amarrian laser.
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.07.20 10:31:00 -
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Well ccp prolly added the backgrounds so systems would not all look the same.
Allthough it is definitly NOT even in the top 100 of my priority list for ccp to do, a rework of the backgrounds and the planets/moons would be nice at some point.
But who knows, with the DX10 changes what they migth do.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2007.07.20 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Maglorre OK, maybe they are a bit annoying and repetitive and a little to bright, but check this out... proof that CCP know's their stuff
Go outside tonight and look up. Is that what you see? No.
Most of the pictures you see like that are shifted so gamma and radio waves show in colors we can see, so we know more is going on than just blackness. But since we CAN'T see that, we wouldn't always be seeing BLINDINGLY BRIGHT backgrounds. Sometimes, yes. But certainly not always.
IMO there needs to be a way to fade down the skyboxes from solid black to what we have now, ffs I don't want them this damn bright.
You do understand that between us, the humans, and the stars is a light refracting and absorbing barrier of gases called an atmosphere. If you're trying to argue that the universe looks like nothing but black backgrounds with dim pulsating points, you fail at not only free thinking, but life.
Now get out of this thread before you hurt someone with your stupidity.
Wait, what?! We have AIR on earth? No way
If you're gonna try to tell me every spot in the universe looks like it does in eve, I repeat myself: Go outside and look up. Or, if you have the money, launch your own satellite and take some pictures. Then take a long, hard look at the pictures. Chances are high that you won't be looking at the skybox you find in Jita
I went ahead and bolded a few words in my post you might've missed. It's funny how the people that don't read entire posts are the first ones to throw the words "stupid" and "fail" around -----
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.20 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Maglorre OK, maybe they are a bit annoying and repetitive and a little to bright, but check this out... proof that CCP know's their stuff
Go outside tonight and look up. Is that what you see? No.
Most of the pictures you see like that are shifted so gamma and radio waves show in colors we can see, so we know more is going on than just blackness. But since we CAN'T see that, we wouldn't always be seeing BLINDINGLY BRIGHT backgrounds. Sometimes, yes. But certainly not always.
IMO there needs to be a way to fade down the skyboxes from solid black to what we have now, ffs I don't want them this damn bright.
You do understand that between us, the humans, and the stars is a light refracting and absorbing barrier of gases called an atmosphere. If you're trying to argue that the universe looks like nothing but black backgrounds with dim pulsating points, you fail at not only free thinking, but life.
Now get out of this thread before you hurt someone with your stupidity.
Wait, what?! We have AIR on earth? No way
If you're gonna try to tell me every spot in the universe looks like it does in eve, I repeat myself: Go outside and look up. Or, if you have the money, launch your own satellite and take some pictures. Then take a long, hard look at the pictures. Chances are high that you won't be looking at the skybox you find in Jita
I went ahead and bolded a few words in my post you might've missed. It's funny how the people that don't read entire posts are the first ones to throw the words "stupid" and "fail" around
Astrophysics homepage for my University.
See the background? Thats a picture from the hubble telescope aimed at a star forming cloud. Space is filled with gas clouds, billions of kilometers long or wide. It is not a void black background with light pin points, as you're attempting to argue.
Once again, you fail. Either back up your arguements with proof, or stop wasting my time correcting you.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.07.20 17:01:00 -
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About that pic:
Quote: The picture was taken on April 1, 1995 with the Hubble Space Telescope Wide Field and Planetary Camera 2. The color image is constructed from three separate images taken in the light of emission from different types of atoms. Red shows emission from singly-ionized sulfur atoms. Green shows emission from hydrogen. Blue shows light emitted by doubly- ionized oxygen atoms.
So no, it wouldn't look like that to the naked eye. That is not to say space is a black wasteland with points of light here and there. ---
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.20 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 20/07/2007 17:13:19
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Once again, you fail. Either back up your arguements with proof, or stop wasting my time correcting you.
You realise I had already linked that picture known as the "pillars of creation" on the first page of this thread. I linked it as an example of a false colour image.
You obviously don't attend the astrophysics's lectures, or you would have some understanding of the nature of light, and the wavelengths of the EMR that said gaseous clouds emit.
The picture was taken by Hubble, so for your education, here is a link to how its done ;)
Hubble's coverage of light of different colors (its "spectral range") extends from the ultraviolet, through the visible (to which our eyes are sensitive), and into the near-infrared.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.20 17:13:00 -
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People often forget that a "nebula" isn't like a big cloud that might surround a planet or two, or maybe a large one will cover a solar system. Some nebulae are big enough to surround 10's of thousands of stars. They're, like, really big.
For all we know, all of EVE is in a big nebula. Part of the back story is that no-one knows where New Eden actually is. And 5000 stars (the size of EVE) could fit in a big one. --------
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.20 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 People often forget that a "nebula" isn't like a big cloud that might surround a planet or two, or maybe a large one will cover a solar system. Some nebulae are big enough to surround 10's of thousands of stars. They're, like, really big.
For all we know, all of EVE is in a big nebula. Part of the back story is that no-one knows where New Eden actually is. And 5000 stars (the size of EVE) could fit in a big one.
This is true.
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Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2007.07.20 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden Astrophysics homepage for my University.
See the background? Thats a picture from the hubble telescope aimed at a star forming cloud. Space is filled with gas clouds, billions of kilometers long or wide. It is not a void black background with light pin points, as you're attempting to argue.
Once again, you fail. Either back up your arguements with proof, or stop wasting my time correcting you.
I bolded the part where you stop arguing against me and start arguing for me. You're right, space is peppered with gas clouds, that much is obvious. I never said it wasn't. What I DID say was ALL of space isn't blindingly bright like it is in Eve. See in my last post I even bolded the part where some of it would be, if you forgot to read again.
Let's see what Wikipedia says about what you linked. It is....7,000 light years away? And if it's billions of KM in length...how many KM go in a light year? Almost 10 trillion was it? So it's huge, but it's REALLY far away? Its apparent dimensions are...WHAT? 7/60ths of a degree?! How many degrees go in a circle again?
And to the naked eye what is 7/60th's of a degree? Is it a point? And does this point emit light...? It does? So what would that make it...dare I say it? That makes it a, in your words, "light pin point." Just because it's there doesn't mean it's right in my face.
I'd also give you a nice teaching on what the word "spectrum" means, but it appears that's already been posted and you've already ignored that anyway
So, if space were TOTALLY COVERED in gas clouds like you seem to be arguing, we wouldn't even be having this discussion because nobody'd think it was black in the first place, when we looked up at night we'd see green or pink or purple, or all three, like we do in eve -----
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.20 18:01:00 -
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WTB black space, without using the 'map' work around.
Really, sometimes its so bright I can't even see what I'm shooting at, and I have a very high quality monitor.
It would be a VERY simple option, common ccp.
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Angellyne
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Posted - 2007.07.20 18:15:00 -
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Lots of space games give you the option to turn off background nebulae. Tachyon? Independence War? X3?
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Ropemastahs Mifune
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Posted - 2007.07.20 18:45:00 -
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The birth of a space image
Well, thing we re really talking about here is exposure time
Those vivid colorscapes from space we are so used to see doesnt exist viewed with your naked, unaided eye. You need a telescope with a tracking mechanism to compensate for earths own rotation to prevent stars from becoming trails on the negative instead of sharp needle points of light. Depending on your apreture size we get exposure times raning from minutes to hours and those are the images you get from such astrophotography through a telescope.
If you went there in a spaceship you would see basically a black void with pin*****s of light being the stars around you. Gasclouds emitt way to weak in the visible spectrum and in any other wavelegth for that matter, thet you could do without tracked exposure.
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.07.20 18:47:00 -
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But realy, the green & white sytems mess up the ui view something horable.
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Mari Onette
Amarr Gottland Production Transport Mines
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Posted - 2007.07.20 18:48:00 -
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Everytime someone argues about real physics in a fantasy world, God kills a catgirl.
Please think of the catgirls.
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.20 20:14:00 -
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To heck with realism, I just want less eye strain. I shouldn't have to turn my camera view to see my overview clearly in some systems.
The realism aspect of 'black' space would just be some icing on that cake.
Plus from an astronomy stand point, my guess is that any sections of space with gas clouds thick enough to make up the eve backgrounds would also be mostly super giant stars and not conducive to life or planet formation.
I think it would be far cooler if a few systems here and there had such backgrounds and most were the standard black + star scape + the occasional smudge of a distant nebula.
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Aphylia
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Posted - 2007.07.20 21:14:00 -
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The reason its not black is that its not space - the eve universe is actually a gigantic aquarium.
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Posted - 2007.07.20 21:27:00 -
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Well done CCP for keeping the visuals innovative, updating them on a regular basis for smoothness and lowering lag, and etc etc etc etc etc with making planets more realistic and as colorful as the nebs. All that is alright with me, attention to detail is what makes our ancestors more credible groups of creators than our mass produced repetitive short shelf life creations. The only problem I meet is the shading between back and foreground imaging which reminds me of two different animation teams failing to blend tones closely. But i cannot remember the last sun hazed nebula I lived through other than the imaginary.
But then again, look at all the mistakes Industrial Light and Spielberg make in their multi million dollar masterpieces. Plenty of reflective light and shadow issues in all his films up to WAR OF THE WORLDS.
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar Combustion Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.20 21:42:00 -
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yeah seriously the last time I was in orbit around proxima centauri space looked nothing like this
OH WAIT SORRY DISREGARD EVERYTHING I JUST SAID *puts a paper bag over his grey alien head*
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Nills Bergenholm
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Posted - 2007.07.20 22:29:00 -
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I quite like the colourful backgrounds, and I think CCP have generally added to it in a good way too. Planets with rings, and better looking rotating solid planets too, and more recently, the entire star map visible while in flight. They could enhance that I think. It might be cool if your current route could be overlayed on this so you can see where your heading to in amongst all those points of light. Even better, if those points were the colour of the stars they represented and their brightness dependant on distance and luminosity and any gas clouds in the space between. There have already been threads about interacting and flying down to planets/moons, how about the space between systems as well.
The space of Eve is actually quite bland. This is a very small galaxy. Or are there billions of stars beyond the gate network? All systems have one star. Nothing moves in its orbit and you cannot fly in the space between stars and get to the next system without using the gate network (the Jove might have force fields about their solar systems to stop us from getting in), or fly to (and in some cases, like the black holes, be destroyed by) any of the features on the map. In Eve we live next to tiny motes of heat and light while 99.999% of the space we play in remains unexplored and unused. Who knows what's out there in the dark.
If anyone has read stories in E.E Doc Smith Lensman series or Zindell's The Wild/Neverness universe, or Larry Nivens Known Space, you'll know that the kinds of things we could be seeing out here in Eve could be even more jaw dropping.
Not that I'd have a clue how you'd implement a Ring World in Eve, or fleet combat on the scale seen in Lensman books without horrendous lag, and I don't suppose the Joves invading the Amarrians by detonating their stars, thereby forcing the evacuation of nearby systems, is a game event likely to happen :-) A space elevator might be a cool way to get down to a planets surface though, most of these ships we fly aren't exactly aerodynamic.
Back to more realistic aspirations though. A background image change I would like to see is to have those backgrounds reflect the area they are in. For example, I spend a lot of time in the Tash Murkon area, if my ship is pointing towards Stain, I'd like to see the Vapor Sea and Pool of Radiance. Those people living out Minmatar way will have the majesty of at least two black holes in their sky, and those near or in Genesis will have the Eve gate dominating their skies.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.20 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Maglorre
Don't argue with me Flinx because I will always win. And if I don't I will hunt you down and pod you ! You in your T2 Huginn with T2 720mm artillery will be no match for me in my, erm, whatever noob ship Gallente's get.
Muhahahahah!!
650's on the Huginn mate
But I kind of get the feeling that you are the alt of a certain antipodean mate of mine. Would I be correct?
On Topic, to the human eye, space is black. Our eyes were evolved to see a very narrow spectrum of the electro magnetic radiation that is abundant in the universe.
Most of the interesting features of space have energy signatures in the ultra violet or even the x-ray range (see birth of stars)
These ranges have no "colour", so in order to represent it as a picture, a "false" colour is used. Same goes for thermal cameras etc, yes the image is real, but the "colours" do not exist.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.20 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ropemastahs Mifune The birth of a space image
Well, thing we re really talking about here is exposure time
Those vivid colorscapes from space we are so used to see doesnt exist viewed with your naked, unaided eye. You need a telescope with a tracking mechanism to compensate for earths own rotation to prevent stars from becoming trails on the negative instead of sharp needle points of light. Depending on your apreture size we get exposure times raning from minutes to hours and those are the images you get from such astrophotography through a telescope.
If you went there in a spaceship you would see basically a black void with pin*****s of light being the stars around you. Gasclouds emitt way to weak in the visible spectrum and in any other wavelegth for that matter, thet you could do without tracked exposure.
We are also assuming that the camera drones wizing around our collective ships are presenting our pods with light only from the visual spectrum. I would dare say that it is presenting either UV or Infrared, seeing as we no only see our engines firing up, but a longer than normal trail proceeding them when in motion. (i.e. the radiation from the expelled gases perhaps?)
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oniplE
NED-Clan R i s e
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Posted - 2007.07.20 22:50:00 -
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Am i the only one that thinks it looks kinda like an Avatar?
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.20 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: oniplE Am i the only one that thinks it looks kinda like an Avatar?
I looks more phallic than jellyfish-like. I see what you mean, but its not what I saw initially .
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.20 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 20/07/2007 23:00:56
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
We are also assuming that the camera drones wizing around our collective ships are presenting our pods with light only from the visual spectrum. I would dare say that it is presenting either UV or Infrared, seeing as we no only see our engines firing up, but a longer than normal trail proceeding them when in motion. (i.e. the radiation from the expelled gases perhaps?)
Oh Boob head you are too easy a target
There are only a certain number of "colours" that the brain can interpret. If your pod camera is including the UV and IR, then you have a false impression of colours in the visible spectrum...i.e, the space ships
Colour is the issue here, if I looked at a piece of white paper in a dark room, using a green light to illuminate it...what colour is the paper?
If I observe in the ultraviolet and see a response, what colour is it?
Colours are the result of the frequency's that are not absorbed by the object that is being hit by the photons. When you reveal an object using electrons, radar, x-ray, or UV, then colour does not apply
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.21 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 20/07/2007 23:00:56
Originally by: Derovius Vaden
We are also assuming that the camera drones wizing around our collective ships are presenting our pods with light only from the visual spectrum. I would dare say that it is presenting either UV or Infrared, seeing as we no only see our engines firing up, but a longer than normal trail proceeding them when in motion. (i.e. the radiation from the expelled gases perhaps?)
Oh Boob head you are too easy a target
There are only a certain number of "colours" that the brain can interpret. If your pod camera is including the UV and IR, then you have a false impression of colours in the visible spectrum...i.e, the space ships
Colour is the issue here, if I looked at a piece of white paper in a dark room, using a green light to illuminate it...what colour is the paper?
If I observe in the ultraviolet and see a response, what colour is it?
Colours are the result of the frequency's that are not absorbed by the object that is being hit by the photons. When you reveal an object using electrons, radar, x-ray, or UV, then colour does not apply
Once again, I'm forced to lower myself down to your level of thinking, and it pains me. It is not the brain that limits the breadth of our visual acuity, it is the types of light sensitive cone cells in our eyes. A normal human being has 3 types, and especially gifted individuals (also known as mutations) have 4 types, with the mutated cells overlaping between two or more of the original types. This means that these "special" individuals can percieve shades of colour better than those with only 3 types.
Our shaved, naked clones inside the pods in EVE are connected via neuro-pathways to the pods, meaning that the camera drones are sending what they view through the computer, which then sends signals into the brain (else its just raw data going into the brain, and ouch.) This means that the cameras can be focused to any spectrum of ERM, the only change is in the computer which interprets the different extremes via some algorithm which assigns whatever "colour" (I use the term loosely, because it could show you a ******* duck for blue and your brain more than likely won't know the difference after a while).
Human visual perception of the "visual" spectrum is held back by how sensitive our eyes are. If our eyes were more sensitive, than we could possibly pick up UV, though because this is physically impossible, no one knows how to describe what UV would look like.
Once again, you argue without an understanding of the limitation of the various systems involved. I'm embarassed for you, please STFU.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.07.21 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn It would be something if the EVE backgrounds were actually that nice, but they aren't, they're low res crap.
I dunno. They don't look like low res crap to me. They look nice.
The problem is
a) space looks nothing like that. People arguing in this thread about if it is or isn't accurate. I think anyone who knows anything, or actually thinks about it, knows that things would look quite different.
b) it's overdone like a bad horror movie when things keep jumping out at you. At first it's scary, but after the 10th time it gets stupid and lame. Every goddamn backdrop in eve is bright and cotton candy, and that makes it lame and drab in the end. Any writer/art director worth his weight should know that.
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Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2007.07.21 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden blablabla another alt post
If it's so damn high tech where's my god damn off switch? Or my visible light spectrum switch?
Real life physics to in-game replication of real life physics and making up storyline mechanics in just 5 short posts
It was worth trying to argue with you when you were trying to talk about things REALLY happening, but talking about how things might work in a video game with non-existent technology as if it's real to work out ways to have as it looks in-game to be perfect according to what you say is just...
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.07.21 03:31:00 -
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this is proof that people will argue about anything
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2007.07.21 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Derovius Vaden on 21/07/2007 03:35:45
Originally by: Haffrage
If it's so damn high tech where's my god damn off switch? Or my visible light spectrum switch?
Ask CCP, they made EVE.
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Real life physics to in-game replication of real life physics and making up storyline mechanics in just 5 short posts
Its plain and simple logic, the story goes that you're in a VW beetle-sized egg, immersed in some sort of goo, jacked in matrix-style. No windows, no AC and only an 8 track player for entertainment. So tell me, smartass, how does ones clone see outside without windows and in an induced coma?
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It was worth trying to argue with you when you were trying to talk about things REALLY happening, but talking about how things might work in a video game with non-existent technology as if it's real to work out ways to have as it looks in-game to be perfect according to what you say is just...
See above. Eyes closed + no windows = no limitations based on biological systems. As such, CCP could say that the cameras see in a yet undiscovered spectrum of light called STFU, which comes in shades of GTFO, OMG, BBQ and LOLSKITTLES. Now get off my lawn.
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And what's with all the constant hostility, didn't you get the memo? The internet's a friendly place now
I have a small *****.
Quote: this is proof that people will argue about anything
Get off my lawn.
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Furious Hawk
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Posted - 2007.07.21 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Furious Hawk on 21/07/2007 06:07:02
Originally by: Derovius Vaden Eyes closed + no windows = no limitations based on biological systems. As such, CCP could say that the cameras see in a yet undiscovered spectrum of light called STFU, which comes in shades of GTFO, OMG, BBQ and LOLSKITTLES. Now get off my lawn.
You my good sir, win.
My opinion however is that it does need to be toned down. Some areas would be surrounded by nebulas. Others would be like what we see every night here on earth. Some would see nearby blackholes (wait, I thought blackhole were invisible... aw screw it, it's a game), and others would see very little of anything (systems on the very edge of the galaxy looking away from the galaxy). I agree that because of the current condition of the players (matrix style) it is possible for us to be seeing infared, x-ray, etc., but it could very well change very soon when CCP unplugs us from the Matrix in 2008.
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Xendie
Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.21 06:07:00 -
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Pure black space with stars would be nice :)
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.07.21 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: Maglorre on 21/07/2007 06:32:46
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
650's on the Huginn mate
Yeah, what would I know, I can't fly one yet.
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
But I kind of get the feeling that you are the alt of a certain antipodean mate of mine. Would I be correct?
If you mean the one that once flew around empire for you picking up stuff because you'd been naughty and couldn't go there, then yeah, that might be me.
I'm quite enjoying this thread too, keep arguing guys!!
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.07.21 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Derovius Vaden
Once again, you argue without an understanding of the limitation of the various systems involved. I'm embarassed for you, please STFU.
Once again, you will argue about anything I am embarrassed for you, please STFU
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.07.21 11:32:00 -
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To me it should be about playability first, eye candy second. I don't care if it's realistic or not. I could really care less if it was actually infra-red pics of someone farting in a bathtub and not how space looks at all. If it looks cool and it's easy to play the game and see the controls, its all good. And I would imagine that alot of the playerbase would be easy to please along the same lines.
The problem is, it seems like the skyboxes, deadspaces, gas clouds, and whatever else are made to look flashy cool on their own, then the rest of the game is slapped on top of it. And there are definately times when it's just not a good mix.
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