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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.07.15 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Razor Jaxx They were using Protoss Arbiters. Build turrets.
"WE REQUIRE MORE VESPENE GAS"
sorry dude, low on gas
Lies. Turrets don't require gas. You are a sinner against SC!
It should have read: "We need more minerals."
Someone get the macros on it. More veldspar must be processed.
Cythrawl DEFY Director Zerg Rush Johnny!
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Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL.
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Kinsy
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.15 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kinsy on 15/07/2007 13:31:04
Originally by: Plim I'm desyncing to ladyboys.
You desync in Lodhi's ass.
Infact i think Plim makes more sense than Cenila, and Plim has been awarded the award UberMoron of the Year for the past 5 years.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.15 16:43:00 -
[93]
Hmmm, seems like we need some new builds to take advantage of this new strat. I dunno since I'm new, but what's a good capital ship to take advantage of this? BTW, I only have 2.7 mil SPs so I'd like something that doesn't take me weeks to train.
More seriously, I think there might be some truth to the original poster's concerns. My take is that there isn't an exploit, but due to the vagaries of the servers, code, and your standing with CCP, you may end up more frozen than your opposition.
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Commander Nikolas
Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.07.15 23:46:00 -
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lol @ Celestial Apoc
You guys have alot attitude. Several members of your corp have reported you only had 4 BS at that "fight". If that is true, don't you think you would have taken casualties in the "fight"? You are such hot PvPers... so cool... you popped a bunch of ships with an invisible fleet and go nuts in local and on the forums. Really cool... I wish I was that good too! Except... wait... When we popped all your + blue mates camping the gate... they could see us and shoot back... we still didn't take any casualties... omg
So far lots of people in this post seem to feel there is a point to making comments about north/south/bob/whatever. I am not sure what that has to do with anything in this post?
To compound the matter it seems like 90% of the people in this post seem to think this was either a de-sync/overview bug/made up story.
1) (de-sync) The ships we COULD SEE continued to turn, move, be targetable, take damage, etc... it was NOT similar to the de-sync issues we have ALL been seeing in almost every fight.
2) (overview) The ships were NOT visible in space, let alone on our overview. Several members of Celestial Apoc have said they came in from Taisy. If this is true then they would have been right on top of us as we suspected form the weapons listed on our death mails.
3) (made up story) I have better things to do with my time in game then post a made up story on the forums. After cheaking this thread today, I am going to try and see if I can get some fraps posted up on eve-files.
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Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.07.15 23:56:00 -
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The problem Nikolas is your immedate rush to COAD to make a post about Razor and CELES being cheaters and insinuating they did it on purpose.
Nobody is swallowing that.
Sure it was a different kind of de-sync than you've previously seen. I've seen all sorts of lag in Eve, weird lag where I see some ships but not others. When I see nothing at all. etc etc.
I'd like to think nobody is happy it happened to you. But at the end of the day it's a known current problem with the game and something CCP need to fix. But rushing to the forums with absolutely no real reason to believe someone is cheating and making them out to be nasty *****s is bad form.
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Krimzin Kane
Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.16 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm
Sure it was a different kind of de-sync than you've previously seen. I've seen all sorts of lag in Eve, weird lag where I see some ships but not others. When I see nothing at all. etc etc.
Exactly. Like one time a bunch of red stars appeared on my overview and I started to pew pew them and it turned out that they weren't war targets, they were neutral and so Concord made me suffer. But like, I didn't blame Privateers for hax and I didn't file a petition cuz I'm just too cool like that.
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Commander Nikolas
Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.07.16 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Stamm The problem Nikolas is your immedate rush to COAD to make a post about Razor and CELES being cheaters and insinuating they did it on purpose.
Nobody is swallowing that.
Sure it was a different kind of de-sync than you've previously seen. I've seen all sorts of lag in Eve, weird lag where I see some ships but not others. When I see nothing at all. etc etc.
I'd like to think nobody is happy it happened to you. But at the end of the day it's a known current problem with the game and something CCP need to fix. But rushing to the forums with absolutely no real reason to believe someone is cheating and making them out to be nasty *****s is bad form.
If it was a legitimate bug... oh well, the reason this post was made is because there was no indication at all that it was a bug. We are a PvP corp, we have grown very used to the new de-sync issues. Our clients were not de-synced, we were able to acces cans, move our ships, jump through gates.
Last night we fought Stain Empire for 3+ hours with 100 people+ in local. There were 15 capitals on the field, 100s of ships and pods destroyed... (this is total between all the forces, in no way a comment about the outcome of the battle). During that fight we had many players de-sync, as usual. We had lag, etc... I am sure both sides had the same issues!
With regards to this issue, I will ask my pilots to post their loss mails. Regarding the burden of proof. Celestial Apoc members have stated that they only had 4x BS in that engadgment. Well on our loss mails all 4 BS are present on most of them. We had a group of 10x tier 3 BCs with T2 fit. Why wouldn't we engadged, the odds would have been pretty heavy in our favor? I am also trying to see if we havve fraps or screens or anything... I heard today we might. The problem is people only generally take fraps of FIGHTS, where there are enemy ships... We didn't even fully understand what had happened until we started looking at our death mails.
This also answers some of the questions we had about the engadgment. Celestial Apoc has confirmed with their posts that all of the ships they put on into the fight were able to see our ships and destroy them even if some are claiming they were de-synced but still able to fire. With most fights now a certian percent of players will get de-synced, that is NORMAL.
Having 100% of the enemy players not de-synced but not able to see your fleet in space. Is pretty much unheard of from the looks of this forum thread.
If I had posted this thread and there had been alot of responses like "Yeah, heard about that same problem a few days ago... quit whining you nub". I would gladly have retracted my accusation and apologized. However with almost 50 responses and thousands of reads, it only re-affirms that this event was not related to the bugs we are all experiencing.
So bring on the flaming you little COAD trolls. If anyone of you can link me up to a fraps since the patch of a similiar invisible fleet, I will retract my accusation... apologize for being a nub... and pay you 50mil isk! (there needs to be some kind of comment from the players involved that they were all experiencing the same thing the fraps displays)
I am actually being serious about the payment, contact me in game if you have info demonstrating ANYONE using razor and celestial apocs new tactic.
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Syntosk
Amarr FEDERACAO ESPACIAL BRASILEIRA United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.07.16 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Nikolas However with almost 50 responses and thousands of reads, it only re-affirms that this event was not related to the bugs we are all experiencing.
It can mean 3 things: a. You were victim of a vile technique that ONLY celes and razor know and they ONLY used it against YOU, as if you where something special. b. You had some bug and dont have a clue to what happened. c. You made this history as an excuse cause it suxx to get owned by bad leadership.
Pick your choice
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Commander Nikolas
Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.07.16 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Nikolas on 16/07/2007 06:00:43 Update:
This is the rough cut of the fraps. This is very low res and has our coms as the audio. We will try to get a higher res release out so you can read the scanner and overview. This is from our dedicated cov-ops pilot. I was the FC of the op. I will not answer questions about the other voices.
http://www.chopaderos.com/wtf.wmv
A rough outline of fraps/audio:
1) (30 seconds) You hear the initial comments going into the fight are from our earlier convo. The plan was to just into this gate camp (there is always one there). Just have fun with it, kill as much as we can. I call primary and we de-cloak.
2) (next 4 minutes) Cleaning up the gate camp, new targets warping in, the normal. Lots of change (frigs and other crap) floating around. Old targets, drones, looting... everything going pretty normal.
3) (after 5 minutes into the video) Chaos...
I start taking heavy damage...
My first assumption fighters assigned to some of the random junk ships floating in and out.
Second assumption... I must be de-sync... lets figure out who can see what... nobody is stepping up... (which is not normal, when FC says he is de-sync anyone who is not de-sync is supposed to step up and call targets)...
Coms are going no where... people are dying left and right... so I tell everyone to get out. Still not able to see the hostile fleet.
Then people start complaing about being disabled, others are just fine able to move and leave. Which seemed pretty normal in a small gang fight since the patch (gotta love the de-sync!).
What is not included in the video is our long after fight discussions about who was really de-sync and who could do everything else normal in game but just couldn't see those specific hostiles. Some players were deffinitly de-sync as is normal... Which is why this forum post is here. After everything was said and done, looking at the death mails, talking about how it all went down. We came to the conclusion that it didn't make any sense... Talking with all the pilots there about what they saw, why they didn't say "nik, shut up..." and start calling targets... Everything was too perfectly timed by razor and celestial apoc. Even our players who were 100% sure they were no de-synced couldn't see the hostile fleet that killed us.
We have never experienced bugs like that. Not to mention the response we got today from CCP says that there are not known bugs in the game that could have created the situation I described (shown in the fraps).
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.07.16 06:42:00 -
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Why post it here?
Now the goons and RA will deff. try to copy it.. There should be enough Goon corpses they can use
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.16 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Nikolas lol @ Celestial Apoc
You guys have alot attitude. Several members of your corp have reported you only had 4 BS at that "fight". If that is true, don't you think you would have taken casualties in the "fight"? You are such hot PvPers... so cool... you popped a bunch of ships with an invisible fleet and go nuts in local and on the forums. Really cool... I wish I was that good too! Except... wait... When we popped all your + blue mates camping the gate... they could see us and shoot back... we still didn't take any casualties... omg.
u are trying to say we cheated. thats why the lads are replying in that way. if the MM/razor or whoever were there had corpses then thats an issue u have with them, not us.
we dont cheat, it only sometimes looks that way as we are just better than you.
d solo.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.16 10:20:00 -
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watching ur video it was an obvious desync thats been happening to everyone in eve lately inc ourselves.
its not a nice thing to happen but still doesnt give u an excuse to scream "exploit" against the other parties involved.
put your petition in, remove ur crazy words and move on. also next time dont shoot a bubble without a scout on the otherside.
d solo.
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Fuglife
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.16 10:51:00 -
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Good work Darth, throw him off the trail of our invisible fleet.
Commander Nikolarse, dude you got owned by our invisible ships, move on... move on.
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Raneru
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.07.16 11:15:00 -
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I feel sorry for the OP.
I hope the GMs take your petition more seriously than the guys in here do.
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Chip2k3
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.16 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Chip2k3 on 16/07/2007 11:20:25 OMG REASONABLE EXPLANATION INCOMING!!!!111
It's called lag you ass-hat. You were on gate, they jumped in as you guys de-synched/lagged out/whatever. They popped you. You cried. Waaaaa Waaaaaa. The End.
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El'hith
Gallente The Phoenix Mercenaries The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.07.16 11:38:00 -
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I wasnt present at the fight, i heard about it afterwards. Ive seen the fraps and the CVOPS pilot was a member of my corporation ive known since ive started eve. This happened. (to settle the people who are throwing petty insults of fabricated storys at nick)
Nick was wrong to come here and throw accusations in the manner he did against Insurgency and Celes Apoc, but he was correct to highlight the fact the 1st time we have ever experianced this was during a fight with them.
Apologies for the accusations on the issue. Nicks a Fighter not a lover [Thats why im here ]
I can understand the perspective of the pilots in our fleet who got attacked with no way of retaliating and im sure you can too. At least you all know to be constantly paranoid of invisable fleets now
So D.Solo
'watching ur video it was an obvious desync thats been happening to everyone in eve lately inc ourselves. '
If that was the case why didnt you say you had been attacked by invisable fleets at the start of this thread. The only reason nick brought this here was because our entire fleet couldnt see anything. We obviously wanted to know if anyone else had in the past, had that specific issue. The manner in which he put this question across may not have been the best, but as ive already said hes a FC not a diplomat ;)
I hope this point is the end of the troll posts on this subject.
Thanks
El'hith
The Phoenix Mercenaries {PIXE2} CEO The Cartel. {GUNS } Executive
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Baddias Mongo
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:00:00 -
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You desynched, plain and simple.
The fact you can still see friendlys and hostiles on overview is irrelevant. Whats happening at the momment of desynch continues on your screen so you will still see drones out, fast ships orbiting etc but nothing updates.
Ive been blown up by ships I cant see too (and didnt get them reimbursed). Welcome to Rev II
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:05:00 -
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Of late we had local peeked at 90 with 60 or so of those enemy jumping in ( not at our gate even) and it was easily enough to screw up the game. 90 people.... I do remeber some fights further back in time with much bigger numbers and nothing like this happening. Sooner or later if it stays as it is it will turn really sucky sucky.
" do we have enough to dysnc them yet? " .... ( weener)
" its getting a bit laggy this way lets turn back " ( wanger )
Its the same thing for loggin ect, to hear poeple say its the correct practise to log on jump in at trouble. Those people, the ones that have no hope of getting there heads out there own .....
CCP have at least got most of this working (loggin to save ur cant handle 0.0 ass) but if they cant stop the dysnc exspcect the game to go rapidly down hill with all the tools who cant handle playing right using yet another glitch to create a most unenjoyable gaming exsperiance to agin a week victory.
I see alot of good players in both friendly and enemy camps who feel pritty disgusted with there gaming exsperiance atm.
I wish ccp good luck on making this happen, please try get it right now .. not after u reach ur goal for numbers on server..
pritty please, cos it will just get much much uglier soon.
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Sun Ra
Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:16:00 -
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Darth solo exploited me once while i was sleeping, but thats another story
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Baddias Mongo
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.16 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Baddias Mongo on 16/07/2007 12:45:39
Originally by: SwindonBadger I see alot of good players in both friendly and enemy camps who feel pritty disgusted with there gaming exsperiance atm.
I wish ccp good luck on making this happen, please try get it right now .. not after u reach ur goal for numbers on server..
pritty please, cos it will just get much much uglier soon.
Absolutely. gang v gang and fleet v fleet combat is just plain broke atm. The desynch bug is by far the worst to ever effect EVE since Ive been playing, and unlike other bugs Im sure its one that I and most others are simply not prepared to put up with.
The only reason Im still here tbh paying for an unplayable game is because I expected CCP to give this issue the full attention it deserves and either get it fixed quickly or roll back the code or something.
But its been what? 3 weeks now since rev II and still no sign of a fix. My fingers already hovering over the cancel subscription button tbh. I fully expected it to be fixed already by now. I will maybe give it another week or so and if theres still no sign of a fix then I will most likely be taking a break from EVE and try other games until I hear it has been fixed... however long that takes. |
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Scarcus
Caldari Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.07.16 14:47:00 -
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I have fought against the OP and his guys before and he is not a noob. If he has a rant, there is no doubt in my mind it is legitimate. Not necessarily the cheating/exploit bit, but the desync. The trolls in this thread are a bit out of line.
Once NOL has been purged with cleansing fire, and all the vassals are put to the sword, I'm sure we'll have a lovely little cold war, your bloc and ours.
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darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.16 14:52:00 -
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the desync is so common now everyone must have seen it happen, either to them or to the enemy. we all know about it, we all know its not client as it affects the entire gang.
thats partially why the celes boys are annoyed at the orginal poster. to say we somehow made it happen was poor. i understand hes annoyed, as i would be too. its just a good example that running to eve-o and posting when frustrated prob isnt a good idea.
peace.
d solo.
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Kinsy
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:00:00 -
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4 CELES BS vs 10 BCs. Who do most people think would win?
I know who id put my money on regardless of the removal of bathroom utilities.
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Deva Blackfire
Citadel of dark arts
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Posted - 2007.07.16 15:27:00 -
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Kinsy just stop abusing MSN. I know you can call devs whenever you want but give others fair chance in combat :(
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Aerick Dawn
Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:03:00 -
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A side-effect of having CELES and RZR in close proximity is alot of explosions.
The server code strengthens the node up wherever their gangs go. So your statement is trash!
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hawkeiz
The Phoenix Mercenaries The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:04:00 -
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Here is the repost of the tiny version of the video. Unfortunately the orignal file was corrupted when I ctrl-q without stopping fraps first, so hence it took me so long to get it fixed. I'm working on a larger res version, but I really think you can see everything you need to in this small version. Couple of notes I'm going to add:
I agree with Hith. I'm not yelling at anyone about an exploit, I'm yelling at CCP to please fix this issue and replace the lost ships.
Notice on the video there is no gate activation of any incoming fleet. The couple of gate activations are identified in comms as to who they belonged to.
Desync, crashing, lag or whatever it is, I dont know. It's not my job to debug this game. But my ship was out of control. I tried stopping it and it kept going. However, if I had disconnected, refreshing the overview and hitting scan should have not worked... right?
Bubble was there when I hit ctrl-q, after I relogged it was gone.
Personally, I did not have biomass on my overview, so I can not speak to the number of corpses.
Well, here is the video. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0707/invisblefleet.wmv
Again, I'm not here to encourage the flame fest between us players, I'm trying to encourage CCP to address these issues.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.07.16 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fuglife
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Karash Amerius
Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.07.16 18:43:00 -
[118]
Desync in the battle happens to everyone in the same grid we have found out. During our last contract almost EVERY larger fight (10+ ships) had desync issues. If you are desynced, and someone jumps into your grid, they can clean your clocks.
Its a very serious issue, one that I hope CCP addresses promptly...since it is NOT lag per say.
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Jack Cannon
The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.07.16 19:06:00 -
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yeah the desync stuff is not fun
I've had whole gangs desync at the same time (allowing our enemies to escape and worse) it's not something I encounter often but it's so random it makes one very hesitant to get into their shiny faction fitted ships for one... I NEED people to fly those faction fits so I can loot them... CCP please, please just tell us you are working on it!!!
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Deva Blackfire
Citadel of dark arts
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Posted - 2007.07.16 19:17:00 -
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Lol. Till now i desynced in ALL 1v1 fights (never knew my support arrived or no, tho when they did they could tell me enemy armor/shields/hull on ventrilo).
If fight lasts longer than 20 seconds i have GUARANTEED desync (everything freezes, i can only order my drones to attack what i have already locked or order em back to drone bay).
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