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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:50:00 -
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When the Goons own it all?
Does a serious threat exist for all 0.0 alliances if Goons take the entire north region. They will have secured most of the wealth in game.
Whether you think CSM manipulation helped this along or not, will it be a threat to the game?
>>> Ctrl Lock, F1, F2, F3 your responses BEFORE the Goons get here...... QUICK!!! |
Sirinda
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
24
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:52:00 -
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Eh, I'll just make a fortune selling tinfoil. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
497
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:53:00 -
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All it takes for a big alliance to fall is 1 very well entrenched thief.
Anyway, worst that would happen is, they would get bored... |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 04:55:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:Eh, I'll just make a fortune selling tinfoil. Seriously, you keep telling yourself that. Whose gonna stop 'em? |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:01:00 -
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CCP pushes the reset button on everything in 0.0 or watches as the sandbox withers and dies from stagnation Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:06:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:CCP pushes the reset button on everything in 0.0 or watches as the sandbox withers and dies from stagnation And I concur. I am deadly serious when I recall all the events leading up to this point.
From the fall of NC (by "ironically" a huge chunk of WN), to GSF letting NC fall, to cap nerfs to WN being the first to go (with some of the largest WN corps jumping to - GSF?). Too many co-incidences for a conspiracy theory although I will entertain that thought as well. It's a discussion point, not a fact sheet on Eve politics.
Why post this? What would be the Holy Grail? The ultimate Eve experience?
Please consider. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:07:00 -
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met worst wrote:Sirinda wrote:Eh, I'll just make a fortune selling tinfoil. Seriously, you keep telling yourself that. Whose gonna stop 'em?
If not organized players, the Jove, a.k.a. CCP.
An alliance of 9k slovenly, basement-dwelling neckbeards is no match for 1 Jove Polaris frigate.
People used to speculate the same nonsense about BOB. BOB who, you say?
The minute the goon buffoons affect CCP's revenue in a meaningful fashion is the same minute they get nerfed. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:08:00 -
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The point is, why were the Goons and Russkies the only ones to take advantage of the huge vacume left by BoB's disappearance. Seeing them fill that hole NOW is a bit too late. Where were you when it was time to get in on the party?
Maybe that's a bit vague. As long as nobody else attempts a serious run at them, they'll sit in the catbird seat, assuming they don't respond in kind. It's what wars are made from, contention. I remember when the Goons were barely squeaking by. But, they persisted, and it paid off. Why should they be criticized for being effective? Why should the game be criticized if its dynamics afford such an opportunity to those who dare take it?
The remedy is to be just as effective...or moreso if you wish to tip the scale. It's all there waiting to be done. Do it.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1429
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:12:00 -
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met worst wrote:GSF letting NC fall lol...so which horrible NC alliance did you belong to?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:14:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:met worst wrote:Sirinda wrote:Eh, I'll just make a fortune selling tinfoil. Seriously, you keep telling yourself that. Whose gonna stop 'em? If not organized players, the Jove, a.k.a. CCP. An alliance of 9k slovenly, basement-dwelling neckbeards is no match for 1 Jove Polaris frigate. People used to speculate the same nonsense about BOB. BOB who, you say? The minute the goon buffoons affect CCP's revenue in a meaningful fashion is the same minute they get nerfed. Organised players? Who?
Mittens is no fool and while he has had the enviable position of CSM head, many things have fallen his way - his political savvy is street smart and he has no shortage of wealth or sheep to do his bidding.
Let's face it, you REALLY think the cap nerf was to make null "more interesting"? This whole "war" is going to polarise null like never before and for mine, you saw it here first. |
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
212
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:15:00 -
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Oh noes BoB is killing eve! No wait its the russians! No wait its the NC! No wait its the russians again! No now it's Goons!
Everytime an alliance get too big for its pants, another coalition forms to take it down.
Next time it will be the 99 percent ;) And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1429
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:16:00 -
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Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Next time it will be the 99 percent ;) Personally I'm rooting for those guys.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:17:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:GSF letting NC fall lol...so which horrible NC alliance did you belong to? I went WITH Goons on the first of the "rescue NC ops". Lost my ship in M8 (from memory) on the first day. Re-shipped, spent 100's of millions setting up for a prolonged engagement and then went home after 3 days after being told to stand down - "no fight here".
I was THERE. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:20:00 -
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The true dynamic is the "Bridge Too Far" syndrome. Trying to own it all, but not having competent talent added to your ranks as you add to your domain will result, eventually, in over-extension. No alliance can own it all unless they can add to their numbers at the same rate they're taking territory...unless...they're allowed to do it.
It didn't take much to discover BoB was over-extended. But, how long were they that thin but everyone thought they could physically hold the terrain they claimed? How long did it take for folks to figure out there's a difference between that "1500 members" and how many of that number actually played anymore?
Once that over-extension was discovered, BoB was folded up like a cheap suit. The Russkies have to worry about that. The Goons have to do the same, and so does anyone else who'd deign attempt the same. I like it. It makes things interesting.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
37
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:21:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:GSF letting NC fall lol...so which horrible NC alliance did you belong to?
There is something wrong with your face |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1429
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:24:00 -
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met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:GSF letting NC fall lol...so which horrible NC alliance did you belong to? I went WITH Goons on the first of the "rescue NC ops". Lost my ship in M8 (from memory) on the first day. Re-shipped, spent 100's of millions setting up for a prolonged engagement and then went home after 3 days after being told to stand down - "no fight here". I was THERE. Do you know why you were told to stand down? Because while Goons, Test and the rest of the CFC were forming 3-4 full fleets along with our cap and supercap fleets the NC guys were showing up with 30 guys in armor hacs. After this happening several times it became clear that the NC was expecting us to rescue them even though they couldn't bother to log on.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
149
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:30:00 -
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met worst wrote: Organised players? Who?
Whoever eventually combines forces to do it. if no one does, and goons eventually affect CCP's revenue because enough players think the game is rigged or lopsided, CCP will clean house.
met worst wrote: Mittens is no fool
The biggest fools throughout history have been those who convinced others they were uber-smart, and then started believing it themselves.
met worst wrote: Let's face it, you REALLY think the cap nerf was to make null "more interesting"? This whole "war" is going to polarise null like never before
The more polarized things get the more incentive for others to organize and affect change. This could be through direct conflict or simple attrition. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:33:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:GSF letting NC fall lol...so which horrible NC alliance did you belong to? I went WITH Goons on the first of the "rescue NC ops". Lost my ship in M8 (from memory) on the first day. Re-shipped, spent 100's of millions setting up for a prolonged engagement and then went home after 3 days after being told to stand down - "no fight here". I was THERE. Do you know why you were told to stand down? Because while Goons, Test and the rest of the CFC were forming 3-4 full fleets along with our cap and supercap fleets the NC guys were showing up with 30 guys in armor hacs. After this happening several times it became clear that the NC was expecting us to rescue them even though they couldn't bother to log on. Certainly did understand the reasons. Just can't help thinking that that reluctance to fight was well known and part of "the plan".
Goons abandoned NC, let WN do the deed and now WN apathy in the north has grafted the same result as WN corps bail so very, very quickly. Is money doing funny things to loyalty?
Regardless, too much of a pretty-pictured jigsaw is starting to come together Ms. Harlot and I don't actually care if I am wrong - just needed to get this topic down and my thoughts put on record.
Perhaps time will tell. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:36:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:met worst wrote:Mittens is no fool The biggest fools throughout history have been those who convinced others they were uber-smart, and then started believing it themselves. Beware the unassuming, pasty-faced man in the clown costume. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1429
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:40:00 -
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met worst wrote:Goons abandoned NC Even if we hadn't stood down the NC would have fallen because they weren't even logging in to save themselves. The NC died because they had bad leaders, bad policies and really bad morale...it had nothing to do with Goons.
met worst wrote:I don't actually care if I am wrong. That much is obvious The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:46:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:Goons abandoned NC Even if we hadn't stood down the NC would have fallen because they weren't even logging in to save themselves. The NC died because they had bad leaders, bad policies and really bad morale...it had nothing to do with Goons. Yes. Ofc.
And it was never ever determined who "tipped" NC off about "a fleet" in Uemon and then "tipped" the russkies about the NC reaction? THAT's when half of NC chose not to fight anymore.
The war was over that day.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1431
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:48:00 -
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met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:Goons abandoned NC Even if we hadn't stood down the NC would have fallen because they weren't even logging in to save themselves. The NC died because they had bad leaders, bad policies and really bad morale...it had nothing to do with Goons. Yes. Ofc. And it was never ever determined who "tipped" NC off about "a fleet" in Uemon and then "tipped" the russkies about the NC reaction? THAT's when half of NC chose not to fight anymore. The war was over that day. Yeah because there weren't any PL spies in any NC corps...
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
191
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:51:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:Goons abandoned NC Even if we hadn't stood down the NC would have fallen because they weren't even logging in to save themselves. The NC died because they had bad leaders, bad policies and really bad morale...it had nothing to do with Goons. met worst wrote:I don't actually care if I am wrong. That much is obvious Good observations all. I had to parse this on the fly. The OP is whining because his alliance fell apart, and he's blaming the Goons because he can't bear to admit, or doesn't understand, what really happened? Anyway, that's what I got from all this...at last.
I hate to call Mittens a genius...since he obviously isn't. But, it doesn't take a genius to organize well. Regardless of Mittens' mental stature, he's also got to have the people with him that can do the do. So...it's interesting and makes EVE a richer environment, not one in peril.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
205
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Posted - 2012.01.08 05:51:00 -
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met worst wrote:Doc Fury wrote:met worst wrote:Mittens is no fool The biggest fools throughout history have been those who convinced others they were uber-smart, and then started believing it themselves. Beware the unassuming, pasty-faced man in the clown costume.
What you've got a clown costume on, it's hard to tell from this angle?
Anyhow jokes aside, most likely history will repeat itself and the goons will be a distant memory one day only mentioned to scare noobs
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
212
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:11:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:met worst wrote:Doc Fury wrote:met worst wrote:Mittens is no fool The biggest fools throughout history have been those who convinced others they were uber-smart, and then started believing it themselves. Beware the unassuming, pasty-faced man in the clown costume. What you've got a clown costume on, it's hard to tell from this angle? Anyhow jokes aside, most likely history will repeat itself and the goons will be a distant memory one day only mentioned to scare noobs
Goons will never die completely, the game needs someone to hate, and for some reason, it has always been goons.. And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:15:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Anyhow jokes aside, most likely history will repeat itself and the goons will be a distant memory one day only mentioned to scare noobs I can only hope you're right. Sorta feel that CCP maybe shoulda put a moratorium on invading cap heavy sov alliances so soon after a "cap nerf" brought to you by......
[Drum Roll]
The Invaders.....
PS: Of course. That's ONLY if Mittens continues to declare his wonderful CSM achievements and "fair treatment" of ALL Eve players as he rides his war elephant into battle to control MORE of Eve's wealth.
EDIT: TLDR - CCP has been sucker punched. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1431
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:35:00 -
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met worst wrote:PS: Of course. That's ONLY if Mittens continues to declare his wonderful CSM achievements and "fair treatment" of ALL Eve players as he rides his war elephant into battle to control MORE of Eve's wealth. Can you name a case of him or anybody on the CSM doing something that was unfair to any group of people in Eve? Something other than getting supers nerfed because I have a sneaking suspicion you aren't able to be objective about that particular issue..
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Valei Khurelem
121
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Posted - 2012.01.08 06:59:00 -
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From what I know he's constantly whining about people mining ice in high security space and seems to think that if he ganks enough hulks it will make CCP listen. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
109
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Posted - 2012.01.08 07:16:00 -
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It's all part of the CFC plan to take over the entire galaxy.
- Take over all the tech moons in the north.
- Stop selling technetium on the open market.
- T2 prices skyrocket.
- Laugh at everybody.
- Eventually conquer all of Eve with our unassailable T2 fleet while everyone else is stuck using T1 ships and fittings
- Get bored and reset everything.
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Zey Nadar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.01.08 07:21:00 -
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met worst wrote:When the Goons own it all?
Same thing what happened when NC owned 66% of it. |
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1050
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Posted - 2012.01.08 07:26:00 -
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Stop voting for testi or goons CSM candidates.
watch them fail at eve. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
120
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Posted - 2012.01.08 07:39:00 -
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met worst wrote:Sirinda wrote:Eh, I'll just make a fortune selling tinfoil. Seriously, you keep telling yourself that. Whose gonna stop 'em?
The same thing that stopped everyone else who "owned all the wealth in the game", entropy. But then people would have to have a functional memory or an ability to research the past to know that. That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
213
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Posted - 2012.01.08 07:43:00 -
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o.O
A good percentage of people were calling for the super nerf, they were way OP and posed such a risk to smaller alliances that they basically CAUSED the nullsec stagnation that has untill recently been seen. Hell i personally don't think they have gone far enough.
It amazes me that people say the super nerf was all because of mittens. hell pandemic legion has 2 members on the CSM, they are probably one of the most super heavy alliances in the game, don't you think they would have had as much influence on CCP as mittens if they wanted them to stay the way they were? The fact of the matter is supers were the I WIN button in eve, and needed to be knocked down a bit.
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:08:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:PS: Of course. That's ONLY if Mittens continues to declare his wonderful CSM achievements and "fair treatment" of ALL Eve players as he rides his war elephant into battle to control MORE of Eve's wealth. Can you name a case of him or anybody on the CSM doing something that was unfair to any group of people in Eve? Something other than getting supers nerfed because I have a sneaking suspicion you aren't able to be objective about that particular issue.. The point was made several times by many that the strength of the DRF supercap fleet was the only thing stopping Goons. It is FAR too much of a co-incidence that the drive for the north came on the back of that nerf but not before. This is all too pat and smacks of pre-planned conivance between supposed enemies and a hijacking of a CSM agenda under an auspice of "fairness".
As for someone stating that 2 x PL were on the CSM to "balance" the view. Pfft. Whose side are they actually on anyway? Have the lines been drawn yet?
Besides, dissecting individual scap victories as a reason for the nerf are and were invalid. Goons could have fielded just as many scaps as anyone else and chose not to. It's a case of change the game so we can win. It happened and it's happening.
Absolutely convinced that CCP were played here and I'll stand by my "conspiracy theory" until proven otherwise. |
Halcyon Ingenium
Infomorph Research and Technology
120
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:10:00 -
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met worst wrote:
Absolutely convinced that CCP were played here and I'll stand by my "conspiracy theory" until proven otherwise.
Actually your the one with the conspiracy, so if you want anyone else to care its up to you to convince us. Also, it is categorically impossible to prove a negative assertion, even this one. So you'll be standing for a while.
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire, the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man, replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
109
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Posted - 2012.01.08 08:58:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Stop voting for testi or goons CSM candidates.
watch them fail at eve.
Yes... we're so successful because we manipulate the game through the CSM. That's why we've got a game full of overpowered supercapitals and we rely mostly on sub-caps. Supers still murder subcaps.
Shall I tell you why we're successful? It's because we don't take Eve at all seriously. We're terrible at this game and we know it.
Come to Hakonen and sit cloaked off the 7-7 station. Watch us engage a hostile gang 100km off the station, we'll wander over there in a hap-hazzard fasion one by one and the wrecks will pile up, before realising 'hey guys, maybe we should fleet up and, y'know, co-operate?'
We'll send a 150 man alpha fleet up against White Noise and Raiden knowing full well that Raiden have their supercaps logged on and ready to drop on us, but it's Friday night and we've been shooting structures all week so f*ck it , let's do it anyway, and laugh while they press the win button before they spam 'gf gf gf gf gf o7o7o7o7o7o7m8m8m8m8m8m8' in local.
We read corpmails and forum posts from other alliances courtesy of our spies, CEOs sperging out over sh*t-fits and embarassing lossmails. Meanwhile our KB has a weekly hall of shame at the top showcasing our most expensive losses (Farewell morale Kronos, you will be missed). Not a week goes by in Fountain that we don't lose a 3 Tengus or an Archon because some dumbass was ratting while there were neutrals in local.
So we aren't easily affected by ingame defeat, our community is more important than ingame events. You can kill our internet spaceships, take our sov, kill our supers if we had any, but you'll never take away our local-spam, fleetchat p0rn, or our Teamspeak concerts. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
132
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:01:00 -
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Have CCP/goons won allreaddy ? wow.... that was fast |
Samantha Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:12:00 -
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met worst wrote:Sirinda wrote:Eh, I'll just make a fortune selling tinfoil. Seriously, you keep telling yourself that. Whose gonna stop 'em?
I've heard of this United Hisec Front alliance that may be the goon's downfall. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1503
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:14:00 -
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because the CFC doesn't have a supercapital fleet lawl
the developers didn't have the foresight to realize that hundreds of supercapitals would be in the game, they realized that they were no longer rare, they got nerfed, and hopefully iterative rebalancing will repurpose the ships. oh man, that must be so hard to wrap your head around. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
224
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:14:00 -
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had to check this wasn't a thread bumped from 2008 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
12
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:36:00 -
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The goons will never own nullsec because they are too weak to even own themselves. Soon as the pie gets big enough every one of them will be going for the biggest piece and destroy the whole thing in the process. |
baltec1
434
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:57:00 -
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I do like pie. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
903
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Posted - 2012.01.08 09:59:00 -
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met worst wrote:When the Goons own it all?
No worries - they'll forget to pay their sov bill eventually.
Anyway - in case they should become the dominant force in 0.0 I'm less worried than if other alliances would.
Unlike Vuk's RMT empire which never did anything, they'll put the money to good use and mess up someones day - if they don't, they'll all become inactive due to boredom and - well - forget to pay their sov bill.
Also I doubt they'd hold the entire north even if they could conquer it all - maybe keep all the tech and install some horrendous renter pet, kinda like R.A.G.E. or ME who will eventually grow big-headed and do something incredibly stupid. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:24:00 -
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I can't imagine too many people care about who controls null as long as they can afford ships and modules. I'd rather Goons own it all out there rather than some group of pretentious d-bags. |
Treks Shadow
Viziam Amarr Empire
180
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Posted - 2012.01.08 10:58:00 -
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met worst wrote:When the Goons own it all?
Does a serious threat exist for all 0.0 alliances if Goons take the entire north region. They will have secured most of the wealth in game.
Whether you think CSM manipulation helped this along or not, will it be a threat to the game?
>>> Ctrl Lock, F1, F2, F3 your responses BEFORE the Goons get here...... QUICK!!!
Of course the csm has a lot to do with it. consider mittens has been on the csm for years. and they have ccp employees in the alliance as well. if you ask me i think that is a form of insider trading and shouldnt be allowed. that combination is just too much imho. try that anywhere else and your ass would be in a court of law so fast it wouldnt even be funny. and on the note of the csm members of the "elite" group should have term limits like for example mittens has been there 3-4 years straight. that needs to go. NO BACK TO BACK TERMS. and no csm members can serve more then twice in 5 years, eve if its on a alt. i reallt think you eve players need to wake up to what is going on with this csm it is a scam and is ruining eve |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
220
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:19:00 -
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Treks Shadow wrote:
Of course the csm has a lot to do with it. consider mittens has been on the csm for years. and they have ccp employees in the alliance as well. if you ask me i think that is a form of insider trading and shouldnt be allowed. that combination is just too much imho. try that anywhere else and your ass would be in a court of law so fast it wouldnt even be funny. and on the note of the csm members of the "elite" group should have term limits like for example mittens has been there 3-4 years straight. that needs to go. NO BACK TO BACK TERMS. and no csm members can serve more then twice in 5 years, eve if its on a alt. i reallt think you eve players need to wake up to what is going on with this csm it is a scam and is ruining eve
congratulations, you win the award for most uninformed post in the thread! And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
767
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:23:00 -
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what's a goon?
I only ever see groons The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4305
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:25:00 -
[48] - Quote
Treks Shadow wrote:Of course the csm has a lot to do with it. consider mittens has been on the csm for years. and they have ccp employees in the alliance as well. if you ask me i think that is a form of insider trading and shouldnt be allowed. that combination is just too much imho. try that anywhere else and your ass would be in a court of law so fast it wouldnt even be funny. and on the note of the csm members of the "elite" group should have term limits like for example mittens has been there 3-4 years straight. that needs to go. NO BACK TO BACK TERMS. and no csm members can serve more then twice in 5 years, eve if its on a alt. i reallt think you eve players need to wake up to what is going on with this csm it is a scam and is ruining eve I have to ask: were you trying to get every single fact wrong, or was that just by accident? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Mikalia Sunstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
0
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:37:00 -
[49] - Quote
They have the attention-spans of gnats, and brains to match, most of them. IOW, nothing will change except the names on the "sovereignty" thingy...for a while, anyway.
That's how it is in the world of 1337-PvP!!!!111oneone!!11! |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
172
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:42:00 -
[50] - Quote
Treks Shadow wrote:Of course the csm has a lot to do with it. consider mittens has been on the csm for years. and they have ccp employees in the alliance as well. if you ask me i think that is a form of insider trading and shouldnt be allowed. that combination is just too much imho. try that anywhere else and your ass would be in a court of law so fast it wouldnt even be funny. and on the note of the csm members of the "elite" group should have term limits like for example mittens has been there 3-4 years straight. that needs to go. NO BACK TO BACK TERMS. and no csm members can serve more then twice in 5 years, eve if its on a alt. i reallt think you eve players need to wake up to what is going on with this csm it is a scam and is ruining eve
With this level of badposting under your belt, you should really consider joining Goons yourself. Also, +1 for posting the dumbest thing I've seen since "my thrasher died to a broadsword and it's unfair." http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |
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Mikalia Sunstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
0
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:45:00 -
[51] - Quote
met worst wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:CCP pushes the reset button on everything in 0.0 or watches as the sandbox withers and dies from stagnation And I concur. I am deadly serious when I recall all the events leading up to this point. From the fall of NC (by "ironically" a huge chunk of WN), to GSF letting NC fall, to cap nerfs to WN being the first to go (with some of the largest WN corps jumping to - GSF?). Too many co-incidences for a conspiracy theory although I will entertain that thought as well. It's a discussion point, not a fact sheet on Eve politics. Why post this? What would be the Holy Grail? The ultimate Eve experience? Please consider.
Who gives a **** about nullsec?
(And doesn't this thread belong in that cesspit known as CAOD?)
@CCP: Tin-foil BPO, we can haz, pls? Kthxbai.
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:46:00 -
[52] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:CCP pushes the reset button on everything in 0.0 or watches as the sandbox withers and dies from stagnation
What are you talking about? The sandbox is already withered and dead from stagnation, so are you asking where we go from here? Pesonally, I've already unsubbed and am just spending isk on PLEX to complain about it on the forums in the vain hope that CCP will correct things before Eve completely dries up and blows away. Not really expecting this to happen though. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4305
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:49:00 -
[53] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:[Pesonally, I've already unsubbed and am just spending isk on PLEX to complain about it on the forums Double win: they make more money and doesn't have to provide the actual service. You sure are hurting them there.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:51:00 -
[54] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:The point is, why were the Goons and Russkies the only ones to take advantage of the huge vacume left by BoB's disappearance. Seeing them fill that hole NOW is a bit too late. Where were you when it was time to get in on the party?
Maybe that's a bit vague. As long as nobody else attempts a serious run at them, they'll sit in the catbird seat, assuming they don't respond in kind. It's what wars are made from, contention. I remember when the Goons were barely squeaking by. But, they persisted, and it paid off. Why should they be criticized for being effective? Why should the game be criticized if its dynamics afford such an opportunity to those who dare take it?
The remedy is to be just as effective...or moreso if you wish to tip the scale. It's all there waiting to be done. Do it.
Keep smoking that loco weed and it will wither your brain. On the other hand, it has put you in such a fog that you still believe what you said is possible. So I guess stupified oblivion has it's upside. |
Mikalia Sunstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
0
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Posted - 2012.01.08 15:59:00 -
[55] - Quote
met worst wrote: [...] Who's gonna give a crap?
Fixed.
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:06:00 -
[56] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Ira Theos wrote:[Pesonally, I've already unsubbed and am just spending isk on PLEX to complain about it on the forums Double win: they make more money and doesn't have to provide the actual service. You sure are hurting them there.
Was that a gnat I heard buzzing?? (Waives gnat away.) |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
632
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:38:00 -
[57] - Quote
met worst wrote:When the Goons own it all?
The game will be renamed into "Something Evful" things to do in eve: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-SZYZLfZ7E&feature=g-like&context=G2d6d016ALTmOeXwACAA |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4306
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:45:00 -
[58] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:Was that a gnat I heard buzzing?? No, that was CCP's cash register announcing the double profit they made by getting more money than they otherwise would and saving money by not having to give anything in return.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
858
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Posted - 2012.01.08 16:55:00 -
[59] - Quote
Empires won by conquest have always fallen either by revolt within or by defeat by a rival. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1507
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 17:08:00 -
[60] - Quote
Schalac wrote:The goons will never own nullsec because they are too weak to even own themselves. Soon as the pie gets big enough every one of them will be going for the biggest piece and destroy the whole thing in the process.
oh yes, everything about goonswarm is totally indicative of an alliance on the verge of disintegrating
why don't you headshot VFK about it lol
:pubbies: |
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ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
295
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:28:00 -
[61] - Quote
Hainnz wrote:I can't imagine too many people care about who controls null as long as they can afford ships and modules. I'd rather Goons own it all out there rather than some group of pretentious d-bags.
Andski wrote:oh yes, everything about goonswarm is totally indicative of an alliance on the verge of disintegrating
why don't you headshot VFK about it lol
:pubbies:
My point has been made. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:38:00 -
[62] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Was that a gnat I heard buzzing?? No, that was CCP's cash register announcing the double profit they made by getting more money than they otherwise would and saving money by not having to give anything in return.
Good, they need it to offset their declining subscriber base. |
Valei Khurelem
122
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:39:00 -
[63] - Quote
You forgot about wormholes. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
407
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:40:00 -
[64] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:All it takes for a big alliance to fall is 1 very well entrenched thief.
Anyway, worst that would happen is, they would get bored...
To agree with you, the null sec players already seem to be bored, they have "blued" each other and keep calling for soft high sec dwellers to come out and be slaughtered for their amusement. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
295
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Posted - 2012.01.08 17:44:00 -
[65] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:To agree with you, the null sec players already seem to be bored, they have "blued" each other and keep calling for soft high sec dwellers to come out and be slaughtered for their amusement.
This is very true. |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:18:00 -
[66] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:CCP pushes the reset button on everything in 0.0 or watches as the sandbox withers and dies from stagnation What are you talking about? The sandbox is already withered and dead from stagnation, so are you asking where we go from here? Pesonally, I've already unsubbed and am just spending isk on PLEX to complain about it on the forums in the vain hope that CCP will correct things before Eve completely dries up and blows away. Not really expecting this to happen though.
Well, this is sad news for me, I am a fairly young player of Eve (my main is only about 15 months old), I want to participate in the "end game" of eve (I know, no real endgame to a sandbox, blah, blah, blah) though I refuse to do it as a pet. There needs to be some way for those of us who aren't completely jaded to have some upward mobility as far as null is concerned or else the influx of new players will eventually cease, which I highly doubt is something CCP wants.
If something doesn't change, it will get to a point where there may be 35-50k characters logged in, but they will be the same 10-15k players with all of their multiboxed alts.
It isn't CCP that is killing Eve, it is the elitist neckbeards in the playerbase Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:23:00 -
[67] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote:You forgot about wormholes. Why don't you lose another Thrasher to a Broadsword. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
J Kunjeh
313
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:27:00 -
[68] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote: If something doesn't change, it will get to a point where there may be 35-50k characters logged in, but they will be the same 10-15k players with all of their multiboxed alts.
Welcome to Eve, 2012. This is what we have today (except you forgot bots...lots of bots). "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
136
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:40:00 -
[69] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:CCP pushes the reset button on everything in 0.0 or watches as the sandbox withers and dies from stagnation What are you talking about? The sandbox is already withered and dead from stagnation, so are you asking where we go from here? Pesonally, I've already unsubbed and am just spending isk on PLEX to complain about it on the forums in the vain hope that CCP will correct things before Eve completely dries up and blows away. Not really expecting this to happen though. Well, this is sad news for me, I am a fairly young player of Eve (my main is only about 15 months old), I want to participate in the "end game" of eve (I know, no real endgame to a sandbox, blah, blah, blah) though I refuse to do it as a pet. There needs to be some way for those of us who aren't completely jaded to have some upward mobility as far as null is concerned or else the influx of new players will eventually cease, which I highly doubt is something CCP wants. If something doesn't change, it will get to a point where there may be 35-50k characters logged in, but they will be the same 10-15k players with all of their multiboxed alts. It isn't CCP that is killing Eve, it is the elitist neckbeards in the playerbase
Give wormhole-life a try.
They're what zerosec should have been.
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1434
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:42:00 -
[70] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Well, this is sad news for me, You can safely ignore Ira. He's just jealous of how successful we are.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1434
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:43:00 -
[71] - Quote
Lyrrashae wrote:Give wormhole-life a try.
They're what zerosec should have been.
Not quite. The only people who care about wormholes are anti-social roleplayer types who can't hack fleet combat.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
858
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:46:00 -
[72] - Quote
because getting called derogatory names and pushing f1-f8 is so hard yeah? (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1434
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:49:00 -
[73] - Quote
Lady Spank wrote:because getting called derogatory names and pushing f1-f8 is so hard yeah? Surely the great Lady Spank is capable of better trolling than this...
Besides, in Goon fleets it's the FC who gets called derogatory names. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2012.01.08 18:55:00 -
[74] - Quote
Goons are unstoppable and will soon own all nullsec.
Reminds me of the one time the Russians were unstoppable and were going to control all of Eve
Oh, and the time when the Northern Coalition was unkillable due to their numbers and were ruining the game.
Which reminds me of when IT was an unstoppable steamroller that couldn't lose.
You get the point. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1434
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:04:00 -
[75] - Quote
Nex apparatu5 wrote:Goons are unstoppable and will soon own all nullsec.
Reminds me of the one time the Russians were unstoppable and were going to control all of Eve
Oh, and the time when the Northern Coalition was unkillable due to their numbers and were ruining the game.
Which reminds me of when IT was an unstoppable steamroller that couldn't lose.
You get the point. You left out the DRF and the CFC joining forces to create the DCF and taking over all of nullsec. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
37
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:05:00 -
[76] - Quote
In fairness to Goons, EVE won't be "owned by Goons". Ever.
Goons would if left to EVE, create thier own opposition in the spirit of PvP. Hopefully they can subsidize it on the CC level though because if they insist on running everyone else off, they might have to. |
Falin Whalen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:09:00 -
[77] - Quote
Soon my precious, it will all be ours. My precioussss. We will haves it, my precious. All of 0.0 wil be ours! You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
112
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:40:00 -
[78] - Quote
I love how now apparantly the CSM is a Goon/Test/PL council of shadowy puppetmasters manipulating the game to suit themselves. The reason the CSM was set up in the first place was for player oversight of CCP after the T20 incident where a CCP employee was found doing favours for Band of Brothers, who were the dominant nullsec power at the time. Back then, every thread like this was about them.
Also it'd be nice if TEST even had any CSM members, they keep leaving as soon as they're elected. |
Chase The Dragon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:22:00 -
[79] - Quote
Goons? They're just people that:
a) When they do something 'naughty' to you, tell you to chill out and stop being so an@l. b) When they're at the receiving end of something 'naughty', whine like toddlers.
They're the wannabe hotheads that gatecrash a party and within 15 mins get thrown over the fence. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1436
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 20:27:00 -
[80] - Quote
Chase The Dragon wrote:They're the wannabe hotheads that gatecrash a party and within 15 mins get thrown over the fence. Well how else are we going to get to party with the cool kids? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
858
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:33:00 -
[81] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Lady Spank wrote:because getting called derogatory names and pushing f1-f8 is so hard yeah? Surely the great Lady Spank is capable of better trolling than this... Besides, in Goon fleets it's the FC who gets called derogatory names.
Pardon me, I was stuck in a mid noughties nostalgia trip. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:54:00 -
[82] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:CCP pushes the reset button on everything in 0.0 or watches as the sandbox withers and dies from stagnation What are you talking about? The sandbox is already withered and dead from stagnation, so are you asking where we go from here? Pesonally, I've already unsubbed and am just spending isk on PLEX to complain about it on the forums in the vain hope that CCP will correct things before Eve completely dries up and blows away. Not really expecting this to happen though. Well, this is sad news for me, I am a fairly young player of Eve (my main is only about 15 months old), I want to participate in the "end game" of eve (I know, no real endgame to a sandbox, blah, blah, blah) though I refuse to do it as a pet. There needs to be some way for those of us who aren't completely jaded to have some upward mobility as far as null is concerned or else the influx of new players will eventually cease, which I highly doubt is something CCP wants. If something doesn't change, it will get to a point where there may be 35-50k characters logged in, but they will be the same 10-15k players with all of their multiboxed alts. It isn't CCP that is killing Eve, it is the elitist neckbeards in the playerbase
Sorry to bust your bubble, but it reached that point long ago. The few spikes in new membership have been quickly killed off several times. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:57:00 -
[83] - Quote
J Kunjeh wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote: If something doesn't change, it will get to a point where there may be 35-50k characters logged in, but they will be the same 10-15k players with all of their multiboxed alts.
Welcome to Eve, 2012. This is what we have today (except you forgot bots...lots of bots).
QFT! RMT Plantations and Bots... Lots of Bots. |
Chase The Dragon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:10:00 -
[84] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Chase The Dragon wrote:They're the wannabe hotheads that gatecrash a party and within 15 mins get thrown over the fence. Well how else are we going to get to party with the cool kids?
Surely you'd enjoy partying amongst yourselves? I'm sure TEST, GOML, FA etc etc could sort out a great game of naked twister with you. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:12:00 -
[85] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Well, this is sad news for me, You can safely ignore Ira. He's just jealous of how successful we are.
No, I'm just jaded about how CCP has let their game mechanics destroy the heart of their game by denying their new subscribers any LEGITIMATE avenue to dethrone the existing order in Zero. Of course if you have a metagame internet club like the Goons and want to use the same botting cheats to try it, you might succeed, but then that wouldn't be legitimate, would it?Now if you came to Eve looking to play the part of a serf working in Zero as a Guard Dog defending some Russian's RMT Farm, then Eve is your game.
I don't really think new subscribers have that goal when they start and I believe they quit Eve after they have figured it out. This is why the subscriber base hasn't significantly increased over time. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
331
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:15:00 -
[86] - Quote
get a load of this sperg ^ |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1436
|
Posted - 2012.01.08 23:42:00 -
[87] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Well, this is sad news for me, You can safely ignore Ira. He's just jealous of how successful we are. No, I'm just jaded about how CCP has let their game mechanics destroy the heart of their game by denying their new subscribers any LEGITIMATE avenue to dethrone the existing order in Zero. Of course if you have a metagame internet club like the Goons and want to use the same botting cheats to try it, you might succeed, but then that wouldn't be legitimate, would it?Now if you came to Eve looking to play the part of a serf working in Zero as a Guard Dog defending some Russian's RMT Farm, then Eve is your game. I don't really think new subscribers have that goal when they start and I believe they quit Eve after they have figured it out. This is why the subscriber base hasn't significantly increased over time. Since you don't have any proof of anybody botting or engaging in RMT I'm going to stick with my assertion that you're just jealous of both our success and the amount of fun we are having in the game.
As for new subscribers...we recently had a very successful newbie drive and we have a ton of new people so you're wrong about that as well.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
112
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:54:00 -
[88] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:Now if you came to Eve looking to play the part of a serf working in Zero as a Guard Dog defending some Russian's RMT Farm, then Eve is your game.
I don't really think new subscribers have that goal when they start and I believe they quit Eve after they have figured it out. This is why the subscriber base hasn't significantly increased over time.
Implying that the average player joins EVE and bases their decision to subscribe on the state of nullsec politics rather than, y'know, gameplay... Usually empire mission running gameplay. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
|
Posted - 2012.01.09 00:46:00 -
[89] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Well, this is sad news for me, You can safely ignore Ira. He's just jealous of how successful we are. No, I'm just jaded about how CCP has let their game mechanics destroy the heart of their game by denying their new subscribers any LEGITIMATE avenue to dethrone the existing order in Zero. Of course if you have a metagame internet club like the Goons and want to use the same botting cheats to try it, you might succeed, but then that wouldn't be legitimate, would it?Now if you came to Eve looking to play the part of a serf working in Zero as a Guard Dog defending some Russian's RMT Farm, then Eve is your game. I don't really think new subscribers have that goal when they start and I believe they quit Eve after they have figured it out. This is why the subscriber base hasn't significantly increased over time. Since you don't have any proof of anybody botting or engaging in RMT I'm going to stick with my assertion that you're just jealous of both our success and the amount of fun we are having in the game. As for new subscribers...we recently had a very successful newbie drive and we have a ton of new people so you're wrong about that as well. Tell me again why I should care about your opinion of what I believe about the state of Eve? Oh, you're irrelevent? Fine, but please do carry on, as I'm sure you will. Pardon me if I add you to my ignore list. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.01.09 00:52:00 -
[90] - Quote
Jafit McJafitson wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Now if you came to Eve looking to play the part of a serf working in Zero as a Guard Dog defending some Russian's RMT Farm, then Eve is your game.
I don't really think new subscribers have that goal when they start and I believe they quit Eve after they have figured it out. This is why the subscriber base hasn't significantly increased over time. Implying that the average player joins EVE and bases their decision to subscribe on the state of nullsec politics rather than, y'know, gameplay... Usually empire mission running gameplay.
I'm not "implying" it. I'm stating it as fact that most people subscribing to Eve expect to find a role in the "Great Space Opera" other than Rent-Paying-Guard-Dog-In-Zero-RMT-Farm. Most quit after six months when they have figured this out. If this were not so, Eve's subscription numbers would be well over a million by now. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1508
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:16:00 -
[91] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:Jafit McJafitson wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Now if you came to Eve looking to play the part of a serf working in Zero as a Guard Dog defending some Russian's RMT Farm, then Eve is your game.
I don't really think new subscribers have that goal when they start and I believe they quit Eve after they have figured it out. This is why the subscriber base hasn't significantly increased over time. Implying that the average player joins EVE and bases their decision to subscribe on the state of nullsec politics rather than, y'know, gameplay... Usually empire mission running gameplay. I'm not "implying" it. I'm stating it as fact that most people subscribing to Eve expect to find a role in the "Great Space Opera" other than Rent-Paying-Guard-Dog-In-Zero-RMT-Farm. Most quit after six months when they have figured this out. If this were not so, Eve's subscription numbers would be well over a million by now.
Alright, tell me - who pays rent in the CFC? |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:21:00 -
[92] - Quote
Andski wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Jafit McJafitson wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Now if you came to Eve looking to play the part of a serf working in Zero as a Guard Dog defending some Russian's RMT Farm, then Eve is your game.
I don't really think new subscribers have that goal when they start and I believe they quit Eve after they have figured it out. This is why the subscriber base hasn't significantly increased over time. Implying that the average player joins EVE and bases their decision to subscribe on the state of nullsec politics rather than, y'know, gameplay... Usually empire mission running gameplay. I'm not "implying" it. I'm stating it as fact that most people subscribing to Eve expect to find a role in the "Great Space Opera" other than Rent-Paying-Guard-Dog-In-Zero-RMT-Farm. Most quit after six months when they have figured this out. If this were not so, Eve's subscription numbers would be well over a million by now. Alright, tell me - who pays rent in the CFC? Rent as in ISK or you-better-stroke-my-weenie-or-I'll-throw-you-out kinda rent? |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:48:00 -
[93] - Quote
met worst wrote:Andski wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Jafit McJafitson wrote:Ira Theos wrote:Now if you came to Eve looking to play the part of a serf working in Zero as a Guard Dog defending some Russian's RMT Farm, then Eve is your game.
I don't really think new subscribers have that goal when they start and I believe they quit Eve after they have figured it out. This is why the subscriber base hasn't significantly increased over time. Implying that the average player joins EVE and bases their decision to subscribe on the state of nullsec politics rather than, y'know, gameplay... Usually empire mission running gameplay. I'm not "implying" it. I'm stating it as fact that most people subscribing to Eve expect to find a role in the "Great Space Opera" other than Rent-Paying-Guard-Dog-In-Zero-RMT-Farm. Most quit after six months when they have figured this out. If this were not so, Eve's subscription numbers would be well over a million by now. Alright, tell me - who pays rent in the CFC? Rent as in ISK or you-better-stroke-my-weenie-or-I'll-throw-you-out kinda rent?
Sorta nailed you there didn't he Andski? You make it so easy. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
112
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Posted - 2012.01.09 02:59:00 -
[94] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:I'm not "implying" it. I'm stating it as fact that most people subscribing to Eve expect to find a role in the "Great Space Opera" other than Rent-Paying-Guard-Dog-In-Zero-RMT-Farm. Most quit after six months when they have figured this out. If this were not so, Eve's subscription numbers would be well over a million by now.
Truly this lowly thread is privileged to have such unique, some might say supernatural, insight grace it's pages. To think that there exists a person who knows what lurks in the hearts and minds of an entire population.
Don't listen to the cynical fools who say you're simply buttmad because this is how you personally feel, and are trying to give your opinion more merit by pretending to be the unelected spokesperson of a vast silent majority. Those fools, how dare they.
But no, really. According to the last Quarterly Economic Newsletter only 11.26% of players live in nullsec. By now that may have shifted by half a percent up or down, but they're the latest figures for demographics that I'm aware of.
High Sec: 611732 players (79.61%) Low sec: 51342 players (6.68%) Null sec: 86487 players (11.26%) Wormhole Space:18812 players (2.45%)
The nullsec population was up by 0.19% since the previous QEN, and I believe that both Goonswarm and the DRF existed within that period. If Eve's player base is sloping downwards I'd say the cause lies somewhere other than nullsec politics, of which only ~11% of players are directly affected.
TL;DR: You are not Hari Seldon, you're just buttmad and stupid. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:09:00 -
[95] - Quote
Jafit McJafitson wrote:Ira Theos wrote:I'm not "implying" it. I'm stating it as fact that most people subscribing to Eve expect to find a role in the "Great Space Opera" other than Rent-Paying-Guard-Dog-In-Zero-RMT-Farm. Most quit after six months when they have figured this out. If this were not so, Eve's subscription numbers would be well over a million by now. Truly this lowly thread is privileged to have such unique, some might say supernatural, insight grace it's pages. To think that there exists a person who knows what lurks in the hearts and minds of an entire population. Don't listen to the cynical fools who say you're simply buttmad because this is how you personally feel, and are trying to give your opinion more merit by pretending to be the unelected spokesperson of a vast silent majority. Those fools, how dare they. But no, really. According to the last Quarterly Economic Newsletter only 11.26% of players live in nullsec. By now that may have shifted by half a percent up or down, but they're the latest figures for demographics that I'm aware of. High Sec: 611732 players (79.61%) Low sec: 51342 players (6.68%) Null sec: 86487 players (11.26%) Wormhole Space:18812 players (2.45%) The nullsec population was up by 0.19% since the previous QEN, and I believe that both Goonswarm and the DRF existed within that period. If Eve's player base is sloping downwards I'd say the cause lies somewhere other than nullsec politics, of which only ~11% of players are directly affected. TL;DR: You are not Hari Seldon, you're just buttmad and stupid. Apart from a biase borne about by being part of the CFC, the 11% left in null is the key point here and is without doubt the reason for low Eve numbers through stagnation and polarisation of 0.0.
This is my concern. A CFC takeover of what is left of the real wealth in game will simply make it worse.
CCP have clutched at a life-buoy thrown by the CSM and fallen for what I feel is the greatest scam of all. You will either be a Goon or NIP/NAP to Goons to be able to live in 0.0.
End of Story.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1436
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:18:00 -
[96] - Quote
met worst wrote:Apart from a biase borne about by being part of the CFC, the 11% left in null is the key point here and is without doubt the reason for low Eve numbers through stagnation and polarisation of 0.0.
This is my concern. A CFC takeover of what is left of the real wealth in game will simply make it worse.
CCP have clutched at a life-buoy thrown by the CSM and fallen for what I feel is the greatest scam of all. You will either be a Goon or NIP/NAP to Goons to be able to live in 0.0.
End of Story.
Why do you think it's even possible for us to take over all of nullsec? We're not the biggest alliance, we don't have the most sov and we don't have the most supercaps. Maybe there's other people you should be sperging about. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1437
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:20:00 -
[97] - Quote
met worst wrote:Rent as in ISK or you-better-stroke-my-weenie-or-I'll-throw-you-out kinda rent? Are you equating "participating in CFC-wide strategic endeavors" with "you-better-stroke-my-weenie-or-I'll-throw-you-out"?
After the nonsense you posted earlier about the CFC abandoning the old NC I knew you were clueless but then you turn around and post something like this...
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:26:00 -
[98] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:Apart from a biase borne about by being part of the CFC, the 11% left in null is the key point here and is without doubt the reason for low Eve numbers through stagnation and polarisation of 0.0.
This is my concern. A CFC takeover of what is left of the real wealth in game will simply make it worse.
CCP have clutched at a life-buoy thrown by the CSM and fallen for what I feel is the greatest scam of all. You will either be a Goon or NIP/NAP to Goons to be able to live in 0.0.
End of Story.
Why do you think it's even possible for us to take over all of nullsec? We're not the biggest alliance, we don't have the most sov and we don't have the most supercaps. Maybe there's other people you should be sperging about. The CFC collective and allies, once the north is taken will be pretty close to the biggest don't you think? You'll certainly have the most wealth as a minimum.
And "we don't have the most supercaps". Hmmmm.... I think that's been one of my points.
Ultimately, owning "all of null" isn't neccessary. With most of the wealth and both the west and north stitched up - combined with a very carefully knee-capped red fleet - what's to stop you?
Inner turmoil? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1437
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:28:00 -
[99] - Quote
met worst wrote:Inner turmoil? This is what killed every other huge coalition. It's what will kill us.
You need to learn to relax and not be so obsessed about what Goons are doing. In the end we are our own worst enemy.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:36:00 -
[100] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:Rent as in ISK or you-better-stroke-my-weenie-or-I'll-throw-you-out kinda rent? Are you equating "participating in CFC-wide strategic endeavors" with "you-better-stroke-my-weenie-or-I'll-throw-you-out"? After the nonsense you posted earlier about the CFC abandoning the old NC I knew you were clueless but then you turn around and post something like this... Ms. Harlot, I could point you to a very elaborate post "bequeathing" the spoils of war like dishing out lollies at a kids party.
The "bequeather" gives the impression he "owns" such gifts and feels his "loyal subjects" must be rewarded. Either way, it's a sure sign that you guys are well and truly sucked in by one very sick ****.
You call it "fun". I'm more inclined to make the call that you guys haven't worked out the meaning of swarm yet. Not a single independent thought among you and you're totally blindsided by it.
I said once before, I'd rather be a high-sec coward working for myself than some recently whelped puppy called Oliver looking for another bowl of porridge. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1437
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:46:00 -
[101] - Quote
met worst wrote: Ms. Harlot, I could point you to a very elaborate post "bequeathing" the spoils of war like dishing out lollies at a kids party.
The "bequeather" gives the impression he "owns" such gifts and feels his "loyal subjects" must be rewarded. Either way, it's a sure sign that you guys are well and truly sucked in by one very sick ****.
You call it "fun". I'm more inclined to make the call that you guys haven't worked out the meaning of swarm yet. Not a single independent thought among you and you're totally blindsided by it.
I said once before, I'd rather be a high-sec coward working for myself than some recently whelped puppy called Oliver looking for another bowl of porridge.
So you would prefer that we treat our allies like the old NC used to treat their pets? You should ask some of the CFC alliances who used to be NC pets what they think.
The "requirements" to be in the CFC are laughably simple. We don't have mandatory CTAs, we don't have red pen ops where we set the tax rate to 100% or kick people who are ratting or running incursions, we don't charge rent and we don't treat our allies like serfs. Basically the only things an alliance has to do to remain a member of the CFC is show observable participation in coalition-wide pursuits and not sell supercaps to people who would use them to shoot at us. How on earth is that so unreasonable? The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
112
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Posted - 2012.01.09 03:51:00 -
[102] - Quote
met worst wrote:Apart from a biase borne about by being part of the CFC, the 11% left in null is the key point here and is without doubt the reason for low Eve numbers through stagnation and polarisation of 0.0.
This is my concern. A CFC takeover of what is left of the real wealth in game will simply make it worse.
CCP have clutched at a life-buoy thrown by the CSM and fallen for what I feel is the greatest scam of all. You will either be a Goon or NIP/NAP to Goons to be able to live in 0.0.
End of Story.
Ah yes, everything I say is biased because I'm in the CFC. Luckily you're here with your FNA forum alt to provide the fair and balanced null-sec political punditry that we desperately need. If you're not an alt then wow, that's even better!
Fears of a CFC takeover of nullsec are dumb, and espoused only by those who don't understand the CFC or what it's like to be in a coalition of PvP heavy alliances that suddenly run out of people to fight. The NC was a defensive coalition, held together by the external threat of BoB and their pets. The CFC is not very defensive at all... In fact if you want to go to Fountain right now you'll probably get some nice ratting carrier and Tengu kills and we won't even bother forming up to stop you.
We require conflict in order to exist, we need an enemy to fight, without one we get bored and soft and we start getting on each other's nerves. So yes if we ever run out of people to fight, we will probably end up resetting each other. You don't have to worry about null sec stagnating. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
366
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Posted - 2012.01.09 04:15:00 -
[103] - Quote
Goons pay sovernty bills? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1442
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Posted - 2012.01.09 05:58:00 -
[104] - Quote
Herping yourDerp wrote:Goons pay sovernty bills? Edgy
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:02:00 -
[105] - Quote
TREMBLE AND GROVEL, OR PERISH AT THE FURY OF HIS EXCELLENCY, PRESIDENT FOR LIFE, FIELD MARSHAL AL HADJI DOCTOR THE MITTANI, VC, DSO, MC, LORD OF ALL THE BEASTS OF THE EARTH AND FISHES OF THE SEAS AND CONQUEROR OF THE DRF EMPIRE IN THE NORTH AND BRANCH IN PARTICULAR wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Jita Alt666
857
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:19:00 -
[106] - Quote
I only read the op and the first page; The OP need to learn how to conduct post event analysis. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:46:00 -
[107] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:I only read the op and the first page; The OP need to learn how to conduct post event analysis. OP spent a lot of time doing pre-event analysis to arrive at his hypothesis.
Potential post event analysis is what I am seeking opinions on. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:58:00 -
[108] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote: ...the only things an alliance has to do to remain a member of the CFC is show observable participation in coalition-wide pursuits...
Lawl. A long winded way of saying "gogogogogogo - NOW".
"CTA" is just too strong a word for your sheep and it's this softcock approach that sucks your members in. Unsaid, but absolutely implied, if you don't - you get nothing from "He who owns all things" and "Frowned upon by he who bequeaths all things".
All in all, the terminology is a pretencious approach to be told what to do. The extraordinary thing is you all think Mittens is being "nice".
CFC are all Lil' Olivers. The difference being that Oliver woke up to it in the end.
Sad.
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met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:01:00 -
[109] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:TREMBLE AND GROVEL, OR PERISH AT THE FURY OF HIS EXCELLENCY, PRESIDENT FOR LIFE, FIELD MARSHAL AL HADJI DOCTOR THE MITTANI, VC, DSO, MC, LORD OF ALL THE BEASTS OF THE EARTH AND FISHES OF THE SEAS AND CONQUEROR OF THE DRF EMPIRE IN THE NORTH AND BRANCH IN PARTICULAR A Brit perchance? Odd that you'd suck up to a Yank. |
Jita Alt666
858
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:07:00 -
[110] - Quote
met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: ...the only things an alliance has to do to remain a member of the CFC is show observable participation in coalition-wide pursuits...
Lawl. A long winded way of saying "gogogogogogo - NOW". "CTA" is just too strong a word for your sheep and it's this softcock approach that sucks your members in. Unsaid, but absolutely implied, if you don't - you get nothing from "He who owns all things" and "Frowned upon by he who bequeaths all things". All in all, the terminology is a pretencious approach to be told what to do. The extraordinary thing is you all think Mittens is being "nice". CFC are all Lil' Olivers. The difference being that Oliver woke up to it in the end. Sad.
Your analysis is found wanting here.
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Mar Drakar
LDK Test Alliance Please Ignore
33
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:34:00 -
[111] - Quote
The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it. |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:54:00 -
[112] - Quote
Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it.
^^precisely the reason why CCP needs to flush every asset held by anyone in 0.0, leave nothing aside from NPC stations and then reset all Sov back to Unclaimed.... Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
Jita Alt666
860
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Posted - 2012.01.09 08:27:00 -
[113] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it. ^^precisely the reason why CCP needs to flush every asset held by anyone in 0.0, leave nothing aside from NPC stations and then reset all Sov back to Unclaimed....
Do you mean: Reset and then have a gold rush to reclaim? or: Reset and no longer have sov as we know it?
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.01.09 08:28:00 -
[114] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it. ^^precisely the reason why CCP needs to flush every asset held by anyone in 0.0, leave nothing aside from NPC stations and then reset all Sov back to Unclaimed.... you are just another griefer, makin us grind it all back again wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.09 08:37:00 -
[115] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it. ^^precisely the reason why CCP needs to flush every asset held by anyone in 0.0, leave nothing aside from NPC stations and then reset all Sov back to Unclaimed.... Do you mean: Reset and then have a gold rush to reclaim? or: Reset and no longer have sov as we know it?
Reset and gold rush Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
Jita Alt666
860
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Posted - 2012.01.09 08:47:00 -
[116] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it. ^^precisely the reason why CCP needs to flush every asset held by anyone in 0.0, leave nothing aside from NPC stations and then reset all Sov back to Unclaimed.... Do you mean: Reset and then have a gold rush to reclaim? or: Reset and no longer have sov as we know it? Reset and gold rush
The alliances with the best out of game resources would stomp everyone else.
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Intar Medris
Globaltech Industries Sanctuary Pact
26
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Posted - 2012.01.09 09:26:00 -
[117] - Quote
Empires Rise and Empires Fall. GoonSwarm is not immune to this little fact of history that even rings true in EVE. Example. When I first started playing EVE early 2010. Atlas was a huge and powerful alliance. Few months later they disappeared overnight, and I was traveling through "former" Atlas space. IT rivaled Goons once. Now only 6 players remain it. An alliance that once occupied the entire fountain region. NC was once a force too, and well now all that remains is a couple hundred dedicated members. GoonSwarm isn't exactly in a hard place to get to it can be assaulted directly from high sec through the small patch of low sec that borders the north. Someone will one day get the balls to attack Goons head on to take the north, and Goons will get the fight they have been waiting for. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1449
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Posted - 2012.01.09 09:36:00 -
[118] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:
Do you mean: Reset and then have a gold rush to reclaim? or: Reset and no longer have sov as we know it?
Reset and gold rush And what is going to stop the current holders of sov in nullsec from just retaking what they have during the goldrush?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1449
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Posted - 2012.01.09 09:41:00 -
[119] - Quote
met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: ...the only things an alliance has to do to remain a member of the CFC is show observable participation in coalition-wide pursuits...
Lawl. A long winded way of saying "gogogogogogo - NOW". "CTA" is just too strong a word for your sheep and it's this softcock approach that sucks your members in. Unsaid, but absolutely implied, if you don't - you get nothing from "He who owns all things" and "Frowned upon by he who bequeaths all things". All in all, the terminology is a pretencious approach to be told what to do. The extraordinary thing is you all think Mittens is being "nice". CFC are all Lil' Olivers. The difference being that Oliver woke up to it in the end. Sad. I have to give you credit. Most people who get proven wrong as publicly as you did just fade away and are never heard from again. You, though, are able to keep going posting more and more stuff you don't really know anything about. You're obviously mad about The Mittani and your anger is clouding your ability to reason. Mittens must be doing something right to have this many people frothing at the mouth over him...
Explain to me, then, why would an alliance who doesn't participate with the rest of the coalition deserve to have anything given to them? I'm assuming you used to belong to one of the big NC alliances since you seem to share the attitudes that they did.
Like I said...ask any of the former NC "guests" if they are better off now as our allies than they were back then as pets. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 09:53:00 -
[120] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: ...the only things an alliance has to do to remain a member of the CFC is show observable participation in coalition-wide pursuits...
Lawl. A long winded way of saying "gogogogogogo - NOW". "CTA" is just too strong a word for your sheep and it's this softcock approach that sucks your members in. Unsaid, but absolutely implied, if you don't - you get nothing from "He who owns all things" and "Frowned upon by he who bequeaths all things". All in all, the terminology is a pretencious approach to be told what to do. The extraordinary thing is you all think Mittens is being "nice". CFC are all Lil' Olivers. The difference being that Oliver woke up to it in the end. Sad. I have to give you credit. Most people who get proven wrong as publicly as you did just fade away and are never heard from again. You, though, are able to keep going posting more and more stuff you don't really know anything about. You're obviously mad about The Mittani and your anger is clouding your ability to reason. Mittens must be doing something right to have this many people frothing at the mouth over him... Explain to me, then, why would an alliance who doesn't participate with the rest of the coalition deserve to have anything given to them? I'm assuming you used to belong to one of the big NC alliances since you seem to share the attitudes that they did. Like I said...ask any of the former NC "guests" if they are better off now as our allies than they were back then as pets.
Red Herrings like the Bigger tyrant before me usually indicate the unwillingness to admit you are wrong.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1449
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Posted - 2012.01.09 09:55:00 -
[121] - Quote
Skydell wrote: Red Herrings like the Bigger tyrant before me usually indicate the unwillingness to admit you are wrong.
Can I get a translation?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:04:00 -
[122] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Skydell wrote: Red Herrings like the Bigger tyrant before me usually indicate the unwillingness to admit you are wrong.
Can I get a translation?
Ask your CEO, I don't get paid to tell you what to think. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1449
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:06:00 -
[123] - Quote
Skydell wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Skydell wrote: Red Herrings like the Bigger tyrant before me usually indicate the unwillingness to admit you are wrong.
Can I get a translation? Ask your CEO, I don't get paid to tell you what to think. He wouldn't be able to make sense of it either. What are you trying to say? That if you asked CFC members who used to be NC pets who they liked better they would lie because they are afraid of Mittens? Because if that's what you are saying it's p funny.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
114
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:24:00 -
[124] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it. ^^precisely the reason why CCP needs to flush every asset held by anyone in 0.0, leave nothing aside from NPC stations and then reset all Sov back to Unclaimed....
It's amazing that you think that an in-game reset would destroy an alliance with a strong out-game community and metagame infrastructure. |
Wacktopia
Noir.
138
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:28:00 -
[125] - Quote
*cough*Roman Empire*cough* . |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:47:00 -
[126] - Quote
Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it.
EVE is a job. If you don't have an RMT investment, it is simply too much work to be fun in any way. It has always been like this. The current EVE is only different in, now that the lines are drawn and the winners of EVE have pretty much been written in stone, now all they can do is trade space with thier alts to give EVE an appearance of dynamic. |
baltec1
434
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Posted - 2012.01.09 10:59:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
EVE is a job. If you don't have an RMT investment, it is simply too much work to be fun in any way. It has always been like this. The current EVE is only different in, now that the lines are drawn and the winners of EVE have pretty much been written in stone, now all they can do is trade space with thier alts to give EVE an appearance of dynamic.
What? |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Skydell wrote:
EVE is a job. If you don't have an RMT investment, it is simply too much work to be fun in any way. It has always been like this. The current EVE is only different in, now that the lines are drawn and the winners of EVE have pretty much been written in stone, now all they can do is trade space with thier alts to give EVE an appearance of dynamic.
What?
You would be the second person to imply you didn't understand what I said. If that's genuine, you will need to read the thread I replied to and quotes. Read my response and put some thought in to it. If you have an historic understanding of EVE and null sec politics it will make sense. if you don't, the train came, went and has been decommissioned. It isn't something you need to worry about.
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
114
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:13:00 -
[129] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote:*cough*Roman Empire*cough*
Congratulations. Although the competition was very tough, you have said the dumbest thing in this thread so far.
Skydell wrote:The current EVE is only different in, now that the lines are drawn and the winners of EVE have pretty much been written in stone, now all they can do is trade space with thier alts to give EVE an appearance of dynamic.
Ah, a challenger appears. |
baltec1
434
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:14:00 -
[130] - Quote
Skydell wrote:baltec1 wrote:Skydell wrote:
EVE is a job. If you don't have an RMT investment, it is simply too much work to be fun in any way. It has always been like this. The current EVE is only different in, now that the lines are drawn and the winners of EVE have pretty much been written in stone, now all they can do is trade space with thier alts to give EVE an appearance of dynamic.
What? You would be the second person to imply you didn't understand what I said. If that's genuine, you will need to read the thread I replied to and quotes. Read my response and put some thought in to it. If you have an historic understanding of EVE and null sec politics it will make sense. if you don't, the train came, went and has been decommissioned. It isn't something you need to worry about.
Having lived in venal for most of the past 5 years and having had access to to every power blocks internal communications over those years I can safely say you dont know squat about what goes on in 0.0 politics. |
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Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:35:00 -
[131] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Skydell wrote:baltec1 wrote:Skydell wrote:
EVE is a job. If you don't have an RMT investment, it is simply too much work to be fun in any way. It has always been like this. The current EVE is only different in, now that the lines are drawn and the winners of EVE have pretty much been written in stone, now all they can do is trade space with thier alts to give EVE an appearance of dynamic.
What? You would be the second person to imply you didn't understand what I said. If that's genuine, you will need to read the thread I replied to and quotes. Read my response and put some thought in to it. If you have an historic understanding of EVE and null sec politics it will make sense. if you don't, the train came, went and has been decommissioned. It isn't something you need to worry about. Having lived in venal for most of the past 5 years and having had access to to every power blocks internal communications over those years I can safely say you dont know squat about what goes on in 0.0 politics.
Meaning I know things you don't want others to know has been my experience. Null has been controlled by the same people for 8 years. That's no mystery or great secret in EVE.
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Tallian Saotome
Casa Del Wombat
324
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:36:00 -
[132] - Quote
Skydell wrote:Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it. EVE is a job. If you don't have an RMT investment, it is simply too much work to be fun in any way. It has always been like this. The current EVE is only different in, now that the lines are drawn and the winners of EVE have pretty much been written in stone, now all they can do is trade space with thier alts to give EVE an appearance of dynamic.
Dammit, yet another highsec player has realized all characters in 0.0 are actually just alts of the Mittani.
BTW, this seems like the place to sell my tinfoil bridge. Any bids? o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 11:54:00 -
[133] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Skydell wrote:Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it. EVE is a job. If you don't have an RMT investment, it is simply too much work to be fun in any way. It has always been like this. The current EVE is only different in, now that the lines are drawn and the winners of EVE have pretty much been written in stone, now all they can do is trade space with thier alts to give EVE an appearance of dynamic. Dammit, yet another highsec player has realized all characters in 0.0 are actually just alts of the Mittani. BTW, this seems like the place to sell my tinfoil bridge. Any bids?
Sarcasm and polarity might help you to win the foums but people can figure out on thier own ingame who is closer to the truth.
The Caldari girl who brings out views and information Or the league of trolls who make it thier mission to try and incite and provoke with obvious flames.
Oh, no you can't has my stuffs (that would include intell) |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
114
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Posted - 2012.01.09 12:21:00 -
[134] - Quote
Skydell wrote:Meaning I know things you don't want others to know has been my experience. Null has been controlled by the same people for 8 years. That's no mystery or great secret in EVE.
Sir Molle plays SW:TOR now you know. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 12:30:00 -
[135] - Quote
Jafit McJafitson wrote:Skydell wrote:Meaning I know things you don't want others to know has been my experience. Null has been controlled by the same people for 8 years. That's no mystery or great secret in EVE.
Sir Molle plays SW:TOR now you know.
In your enthusiasm to win the forum and prove me wrong, you seem to havbe missed most of the converstation.
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Jan'tor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.09 12:36:00 -
[136] - Quote
Hey I'm a newbie and the 0.0 "end game" is sometimes fun, I've never met Mittani before and he's never told me what to think but I do listen to that guy who sounds like seinfeld while I fly cruisers and stuff. bark bark
well, bye |
Prince Kobol
156
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Posted - 2012.01.09 12:39:00 -
[137] - Quote
My view is so what?
Lets just say for argument sakes that the CFC do take over all of null, then what?
Lets put aside the accusations of RMT for a moment as so far I have yet to see any proof of anybody involved in RMT.
(Just to clarify I am sure people / alliances do RMT but as I have no proof I mainly keep that opinion to myself)
What do they do then?
How many people in the CFC would stay and play Eve if there is nothing for them to do, nobody left to fight.
Also it will never happen simply because at some point somebody will sense an opportunity to turn against everyone else to take space for there own.
Now I admit I know very little about 0.0 politics and truth be told I don't care, but people will always be people.
Those people that I know who live in null and have done so for a long time tell me that the only reason TEST still exist is simply because they are blue to the goons and without the goons they would be annihilated.
Maybe this is true, maybe it isn't, but people being people at some point I wouldn't be surprised if who ever is in charge of TEST gets fed up off being accused of being nothing more then pets and cannon fodder of the goons and goes for it using there friendship with PL to their advantage to prove a point.
Maybe this can be said of any other alliance of the CFC. Maybe its all crap, who knows but at some point somebody will decide to take advantage of a given situation, switch sides and take space for their own because that is what people do.
That is Eve
Hell maybe their is a faction with the goons who hate the idea of being blue to so many different corps/alliances and the accusations that they have become what they swore to destroy, the next BoB.
So personally I am not worried in the slightest that any coalition will control all of null sec because people being people will at some point turn against those they call friends to gain an advantage.
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Skydell
Space Mermaids
90
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:12:00 -
[138] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:My view is so what? Lets just say for argument sakes that the CFC do take over all of null, then what? Lets put aside the accusations of RMT for a moment as so far I have yet to see any proof of anybody involved in RMT. (Just to clarify I am sure people / alliances do RMT but as I have no proof I mainly keep that opinion to myself) What do they do then? How many people in the CFC would stay and play Eve if there is nothing for them to do, nobody left to fight. Also it will never happen simply because at some point somebody will sense an opportunity to turn against everyone else to take space for there own. Now I admit I know very little about 0.0 politics and truth be told I don't care, but people will always be people. Those people that I know who live in null and have done so for a long time tell me that the only reason TEST still exist is simply because they are blue to the goons and without the goons they would be annihilated. Maybe this is true, maybe it isn't, but people being people at some point I wouldn't be surprised if who ever is in charge of TEST gets fed up off being accused of being nothing more then pets and cannon fodder of the goons and goes for it using there friendship with PL to their advantage to prove a point. Maybe this can be said of any other alliance of the CFC. Maybe its all crap, who knows but at some point somebody will decide to take advantage of a given situation, switch sides and take space for their own because that is what people do. That is Eve Hell maybe their is a faction with the goons who hate the idea of being blue to so many different corps/alliances and the accusations that they have become what they swore to destroy, the next BoB. So personally I am not worried in the slightest that any coalition will control all of null sec because people being people will at some point turn against those they call friends to gain an advantage.
In principle I agree with everything you said.
Back to what the OP asked (the only reason I hit reply) EVE would look like it's counterpart in China. Alot less people, mostly macro and scripted spam.
EVE is a game of blobs. Blobs win. Most of the people in EVE willing to be a part of the blob are spoken for. They will remain in power untill EVE does what all MO's do. Die. |
Signal11th
402
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:26:00 -
[139] - Quote
humm so basically people are complaining that some players in Eve are better at organization than others and want CCP to sort that out?
CCP make these people less organized right now!!
Yep ok I'll read something else now I've fixed this one. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:27:00 -
[140] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it. ^^precisely the reason why CCP needs to flush every asset held by anyone in 0.0, leave nothing aside from NPC stations and then reset all Sov back to Unclaimed.... Do you mean: Reset and then have a gold rush to reclaim? or: Reset and no longer have sov as we know it? Reset and gold rush The alliances with the best out of game resources would stomp everyone else.
Ok, so maybe the gold rush should be coupled with a reworking of Sov as we know it.
Give some form of in-game reasoning like whatever it was that killed everything in 0.0 (cause when I said that I meant, nuke everything out there, outposts, POSes, Supers just floating in space and have everyone that was in a 0.0 system when it happened be in the system that was their "n00b" system the next time they logged on) also killed all of the gates and only left the NPC stations because of some dark nefarious reason that we don't entirely understand.
Remap 0.0 as well, systems that were once neighboring systems could now have 56 jumps in between them. Reclassifiy 0.0 as "shallow WH" space that functions in a similar fashion to the way that null does currently and have what is currently WH space be classified as "Deep WH" (Even go ahead and make new moon goos there that might one day become useful but aren't currently since they are totally alien elements)
If 0.0 were to be redone in this way, I think it could be a much fairer gold rush. if the WH's that led to systems died and switched the way that typical WH's do currently, it would prevent the accumulation of large swathes of space by controlling a few chokepoints and then expanding deeper once you've consolidated the chokes. Leave it on the players to actually construct their own gate pairs in a fashion similar to outpost creation, let the colonists determine how the map of null looks permanently (by permanently, I mean gate travel, not Sov)
I think that would be some fun **** that wouldn't get immediately retaken by the current power-blocs. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2012.01.09 13:43:00 -
[141] - Quote
Jan'tor wrote:Hey I'm a newbie and the 0.0 "end game" is sometimes fun, I've never met Mittani before and he's never told me what to think but I do listen to that guy who sounds like seinfeld while I fly cruisers and stuff. bark bark
well, bye
DBRB is just a translator for his dog who is the actual FC. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:39:00 -
[142] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:
Ok, so maybe the gold rush should be coupled with a reworking of Sov as we know it.
Give some form of in-game reasoning like whatever it was that killed everything in 0.0 (cause when I said that I meant, nuke everything out there, outposts, POSes, Supers just floating in space and have everyone that was in a 0.0 system when it happened be in the system that was their "n00b" system the next time they logged on) also killed all of the gates and only left the NPC stations because of some dark nefarious reason that we don't entirely understand.
Remap 0.0 as well, systems that were once neighboring systems could now have 56 jumps in between them. Reclassifiy 0.0 as "shallow WH" space that functions in a similar fashion to the way that null does currently and have what is currently WH space be classified as "Deep WH" (Even go ahead and make new moon goos there that might one day become useful but aren't currently since they are totally alien elements)
If 0.0 were to be redone in this way, I think it could be a much fairer gold rush. if the WH's that led to systems died and switched the way that typical WH's do currently, it would prevent the accumulation of large swathes of space by controlling a few chokepoints and then expanding deeper once you've consolidated the chokes. Leave it on the players to actually construct their own gate pairs in a fashion similar to outpost creation, let the colonists determine how the map of null looks permanently (by permanently, I mean gate travel, not Sov)
I think that would be some fun **** that wouldn't get immediately retaken by the current power-blocs.
0.0, no, the whole eve online thing is just a big mystery to you isn't it you are sounding dumber by the post, but do continue
wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:47:00 -
[143] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:
Ok, so maybe the gold rush should be coupled with a reworking of Sov as we know it.
Give some form of in-game reasoning like whatever it was that killed everything in 0.0 (cause when I said that I meant, nuke everything out there, outposts, POSes, Supers just floating in space and have everyone that was in a 0.0 system when it happened be in the system that was their "n00b" system the next time they logged on) also killed all of the gates and only left the NPC stations because of some dark nefarious reason that we don't entirely understand.
Remap 0.0 as well, systems that were once neighboring systems could now have 56 jumps in between them. Reclassifiy 0.0 as "shallow WH" space that functions in a similar fashion to the way that null does currently and have what is currently WH space be classified as "Deep WH" (Even go ahead and make new moon goos there that might one day become useful but aren't currently since they are totally alien elements)
If 0.0 were to be redone in this way, I think it could be a much fairer gold rush. if the WH's that led to systems died and switched the way that typical WH's do currently, it would prevent the accumulation of large swathes of space by controlling a few chokepoints and then expanding deeper once you've consolidated the chokes. Leave it on the players to actually construct their own gate pairs in a fashion similar to outpost creation, let the colonists determine how the map of null looks permanently (by permanently, I mean gate travel, not Sov)
I think that would be some fun **** that wouldn't get immediately retaken by the current power-blocs.
0.0, no, the whole eve online thing is just a big mystery to you isn't it you are sounding dumber by the post, but do continue
It really doesn't surprise me that you've resorted to insults immediately, given that you'd more than likely lose out if something like my idea were implemented. However, that was a really poor insult, didn't your Grand Fearless Leader teach you and the rest of the sheeple how to be more creative? Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
115
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:10:00 -
[144] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:If 0.0 were to be redone in this way, I think it could be a much fairer gold rush. if the WH's that led to systems died and switched the way that typical WH's do currently, it would prevent the accumulation of large swathes of space by controlling a few chokepoints and then expanding deeper once you've consolidated the chokes. Leave it on the players to actually construct their own gate pairs in a fashion similar to outpost creation, let the colonists determine how the map of null looks permanently (by permanently, I mean gate travel, not Sov)
Ahaha, controlling regions by gate camping chokepoints, that's so cute. 2005 called, they want their forum sperg back.
Since it became possible to titan bridge an entire fleet right past chokepoints, that kind of chokepoint complaint has become the exclusive domain of high-sec pubbie sperglords who's experience of null-sec is limited to jumping into ECP-8R in their Raven and getting blapped by a bubble camp.
However if you can come up with a sovreignty system that doesn't involve wiping eve and starting over, and which doesn't involve shooting structures, I'll gladly listen to you.
Also another nullsec galaxy cluster accessable via wormhole with buildable jumpgates as you described might be interesting, but in addition to current nullsec rather than replacing it. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:14:00 -
[145] - Quote
nah it's just that your ideas are shitstupid but don't let my opinion alone put you down chin up little newbie and tell us how you'd like everything to be wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:29:00 -
[146] - Quote
Jafit McJafitson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:If 0.0 were to be redone in this way, I think it could be a much fairer gold rush. if the WH's that led to systems died and switched the way that typical WH's do currently, it would prevent the accumulation of large swathes of space by controlling a few chokepoints and then expanding deeper once you've consolidated the chokes. Leave it on the players to actually construct their own gate pairs in a fashion similar to outpost creation, let the colonists determine how the map of null looks permanently (by permanently, I mean gate travel, not Sov) Ahaha, controlling regions by gate camping chokepoints, that's so cute. 2005 called, they want their forum sperg back. Since it became possible to titan bridge an entire fleet right past chokepoints, that kind of chokepoint complaint has become the exclusive domain of high-sec pubbie sperglords who's experience of null-sec is limited to jumping into ECP-8R in their Raven and getting blapped by a bubble camp. However if you can come up with a sovreignty system that doesn't involve wiping eve and starting over, and which doesn't involve shooting structures, I'll gladly listen to you. Also another nullsec galaxy cluster accessable via wormhole with buildable jumpgates as you described might be interesting, but in addition to current nullsec rather than replacing it.
Well, I pretty much laid out the thought that I had, if it were to be used as a replacement for the current 0.0 or as an expansion of existing 0.0, either way, I feel that it would be a good addition.
TBH, though, if it were to be an "in addition to" sort of thing, I would hope that the WH's had a mass limitation that was low enough to prevent existing power-blocs from just moving all of their **** over into the new frontier 0.0, keep it more small-gang dominated rather than blobfest.
Another thought that I just had (which TBH, I think is actually someone elses) would be basing Sov on occupancy. If you stop using a system for whatever reason, your Sov there starts to erode.
I also am not suggesting this as a way to give existing power-bloc more power, I am hoping that were something like this to be implemented, it would serve to allow those small corps (such as my own) who would like to get into 0.0 and Sov a chance to do so without being pets or renters.
BTW, my experience with bubblecamps is in 7Q-8Z2 and so you know, despite the number of bubbles and drakes on the gate, the dumb ******* still couldn't get me Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1509
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:19:00 -
[147] - Quote
met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: ...the only things an alliance has to do to remain a member of the CFC is show observable participation in coalition-wide pursuits...
Lawl. A long winded way of saying "gogogogogogo - NOW". "CTA" is just too strong a word for your sheep and it's this softcock approach that sucks your members in. Unsaid, but absolutely implied, if you don't - you get nothing from "He who owns all things" and "Frowned upon by he who bequeaths all things". All in all, the terminology is a pretencious approach to be told what to do. The extraordinary thing is you all think Mittens is being "nice". CFC are all Lil' Olivers. The difference being that Oliver woke up to it in the end. Sad.
you are so dumb lol
it's like you won't stop alternating between "We didn't want the north anyway" and "**** goons they didn't commit to save my dying alliance" - basically, get lost |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
92
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:20:00 -
[148] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:nah it's just that your ideas are shitstupid but don't let my opinion alone put you down chin up little newbie and tell us how you'd like everything to be
WI dot dropping more TCUs in GC. Your posts belongs to us.
Go back to EVE failtard.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1509
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:21:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:Jafit McJafitson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:If 0.0 were to be redone in this way, I think it could be a much fairer gold rush. if the WH's that led to systems died and switched the way that typical WH's do currently, it would prevent the accumulation of large swathes of space by controlling a few chokepoints and then expanding deeper once you've consolidated the chokes. Leave it on the players to actually construct their own gate pairs in a fashion similar to outpost creation, let the colonists determine how the map of null looks permanently (by permanently, I mean gate travel, not Sov) Ahaha, controlling regions by gate camping chokepoints, that's so cute. 2005 called, they want their forum sperg back. Since it became possible to titan bridge an entire fleet right past chokepoints, that kind of chokepoint complaint has become the exclusive domain of high-sec pubbie sperglords who's experience of null-sec is limited to jumping into ECP-8R in their Raven and getting blapped by a bubble camp. However if you can come up with a sovreignty system that doesn't involve wiping eve and starting over, and which doesn't involve shooting structures, I'll gladly listen to you. Also another nullsec galaxy cluster accessable via wormhole with buildable jumpgates as you described might be interesting, but in addition to current nullsec rather than replacing it. Well, I pretty much laid out the thought that I had, if it were to be used as a replacement for the current 0.0 or as an expansion of existing 0.0, either way, I feel that it would be a good addition. TBH, though, if it were to be an "in addition to" sort of thing, I would hope that the WH's had a mass limitation that was low enough to prevent existing power-blocs from just moving all of their **** over into the new frontier 0.0, keep it more small-gang dominated rather than blobfest. Another thought that I just had (which TBH, I think is actually someone elses) would be basing Sov on occupancy. If you stop using a system for whatever reason, your Sov there starts to erode. I also am not suggesting this as a way to give existing power-bloc more power, I am hoping that were something like this to be implemented, it would serve to allow those small corps (such as my own) who would like to get into 0.0 and Sov a chance to do so without being pets or renters. BTW, my experience with bubblecamps is in 7Q-8Z2 and so you know, despite the number of bubbles and drakes on the gate, the dumb ******* still couldn't get me
purging 0.0 without touching empire would be dumb as **** much like you are
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:26:00 -
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Skydell wrote:baltec1 wrote:Skydell wrote:
EVE is a job. If you don't have an RMT investment, it is simply too much work to be fun in any way. It has always been like this. The current EVE is only different in, now that the lines are drawn and the winners of EVE have pretty much been written in stone, now all they can do is trade space with thier alts to give EVE an appearance of dynamic.
What? You would be the second person to imply you didn't understand what I said. If that's genuine, you will need to read the thread I replied to and quotes. Read my response and put some thought in to it. If you have an historic understanding of EVE and null sec politics it will make sense. if you don't, the train came, went and has been decommissioned. It isn't something you need to worry about.
Never try to explain politics or economics to a sheep. You can't succeed in doing it and it annoys the sheep. |
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Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Jafit McJafitson wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:If 0.0 were to be redone in this way, I think it could be a much fairer gold rush. if the WH's that led to systems died and switched the way that typical WH's do currently, it would prevent the accumulation of large swathes of space by controlling a few chokepoints and then expanding deeper once you've consolidated the chokes. Leave it on the players to actually construct their own gate pairs in a fashion similar to outpost creation, let the colonists determine how the map of null looks permanently (by permanently, I mean gate travel, not Sov) Ahaha, controlling regions by gate camping chokepoints, that's so cute. 2005 called, they want their forum sperg back. Since it became possible to titan bridge an entire fleet right past chokepoints, that kind of chokepoint complaint has become the exclusive domain of high-sec pubbie sperglords who's experience of null-sec is limited to jumping into ECP-8R in their Raven and getting blapped by a bubble camp. However if you can come up with a sovreignty system that doesn't involve wiping eve and starting over, and which doesn't involve shooting structures, I'll gladly listen to you. Also another nullsec galaxy cluster accessable via wormhole with buildable jumpgates as you described might be interesting, but in addition to current nullsec rather than replacing it. Well, I pretty much laid out the thought that I had, if it were to be used as a replacement for the current 0.0 or as an expansion of existing 0.0, either way, I feel that it would be a good addition. TBH, though, if it were to be an "in addition to" sort of thing, I would hope that the WH's had a mass limitation that was low enough to prevent existing power-blocs from just moving all of their **** over into the new frontier 0.0, keep it more small-gang dominated rather than blobfest. Another thought that I just had (which TBH, I think is actually someone elses) would be basing Sov on occupancy. If you stop using a system for whatever reason, your Sov there starts to erode. I also am not suggesting this as a way to give existing power-bloc more power, I am hoping that were something like this to be implemented, it would serve to allow those small corps (such as my own) who would like to get into 0.0 and Sov a chance to do so without being pets or renters. BTW, my experience with bubblecamps is in 7Q-8Z2 and so you know, despite the number of bubbles and drakes on the gate, the dumb ******* still couldn't get me purging 0.0 without touching empire would be dumb as **** much like you are
Again with the insults, you guys really need to organize some form of in-house creativity workshop cause yeah, these insults are just appallingly poor.
I'd be happy to teach such a workshop for you tools, I just need 500m ISK per participant upfront to secure a suitable CQ to hold the conference in, don't worry, it will be returned upon completion of the workshop.
Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
Shukuzen Kiraa
0uter Ring Excavations Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate
20
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:35:00 -
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Jafit McJafitson wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Stop voting for testi or goons CSM candidates.
watch them fail at eve. Yes... we're so successful because we manipulate the game through the CSM. That's why we've got a game full of overpowered supercapitals and we rely mostly on sub-caps. Supers still murder subcaps. Shall I tell you why we're successful? It's because we don't take Eve at all seriously. We're terrible at this game and we know it. Come to Hakonen and sit cloaked off the 7-7 station. Watch us engage a hostile gang 100km off the station, we'll wander over there in a hap-hazzard fasion one by one and the wrecks will pile up, before realising 'hey guys, maybe we should fleet up and, y'know, co-operate?' We'll send a 150 man alpha fleet up against White Noise and Raiden knowing full well that Raiden have their supercaps logged on and ready to drop on us, but it's Friday night and we've been shooting structures all week so f*ck it , let's do it anyway, and laugh while they press the win button before they spam 'gf gf gf gf gf o7o7o7o7o7o7m8m8m8m8m8m8' in local. We read corpmails and forum posts from other alliances courtesy of our spies, CEOs sperging out over sh*t-fits and embarassing lossmails. Meanwhile our KB has a weekly hall of shame at the top showcasing our most expensive losses (Farewell morale Kronos, you will be missed). Not a week goes by in Fountain that we don't lose a 3 Tengus or an Archon because some dumbass was ratting while there were neutrals in local. So we aren't easily affected by ingame defeat, our community is more important than ingame events. You can kill our internet spaceships, take our sov, kill our supers if we had any, but you'll never take away our local-spam, fleetchat p0rn, or our Teamspeak concerts.
I kinda wanna join now after reading that lol. :) |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:38:00 -
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met worst wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:TREMBLE AND GROVEL, OR PERISH AT THE FURY OF HIS EXCELLENCY, PRESIDENT FOR LIFE, FIELD MARSHAL AL HADJI DOCTOR THE MITTANI, VC, DSO, MC, LORD OF ALL THE BEASTS OF THE EARTH AND FISHES OF THE SEAS AND CONQUEROR OF THE DRF EMPIRE IN THE NORTH AND BRANCH IN PARTICULAR A Brit perchance? Odd that you'd suck up to a Yank.
LOL
That one made my day Met.
"Suck" is an especially appropriate word, given the context. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.01.09 16:58:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:Mar Drakar wrote:The fact is that EVE endgame is all about meta-game and winning it, nowadays the war is won on jabber, broadcasts, spying, forums etc, and to be competitive a force, a coalition needs an immense infrastructure that is capable to withstand DDoS, hacking attempts and be as 1984-ish as possible to catch, bait and burn opposing spies. In the end it boils down to actually creating a resilient enterprise out of volunteers with actual professional skills at IT, management, HR and others. End game has evolved that much, that toppling current status quo will need a matching oponent, and well... when starting a new alliance - how many of you would think : OK... amazon-cloud-based mumble, cloud based forums, content distribution network ... hell most of ppl have no idea what it is, if even that they need it. ^^precisely the reason why CCP needs to flush every asset held by anyone in 0.0, leave nothing aside from NPC stations and then reset all Sov back to Unclaimed.... Do you mean: Reset and then have a gold rush to reclaim? or: Reset and no longer have sov as we know it?
Personally, I would prefer that CCP structure the game in such a way that new forces were encouraged to form in HighSec and assault the establishment powerbases of Zero. Unfortunately that can't happen under current mechanics. The major resource centers of Zero have been taken over progressively by two forces, one a metagaming "club" of thousands and one a metagaming group of RMT businesses. "Middling" sized groups of new players wanting to actually play Eve have no choice but to join the existing groups under "serf" terms or simply stay out of Zero. The fact that less than 12% of the Eve Population dwells in Zero is proof of this.
I have played Eve for six years, five of those years in zero, and observed this trend increasingly entrenched. CCP's failure to retain new subscribers is directly related to this problem. CCP is shooting itself in the foot in terms of revenues by catering to these metagame groups. |
Prince Kobol
156
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Posted - 2012.01.09 17:09:00 -
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I've seen a lot of people claim that the majority if not all null sec alliances are nothing more the RMT plantations and such.. does anybody have any hard evidence |
Farethria
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.09 17:10:00 -
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Ira Theos wrote:
Personally, I would prefer that CCP structure the game in such a way that new forces were encouraged to form in HighSec and assault the establishment powerbases of Zero. Unfortunately that can't happen under current mechanics. The major resource centers of Zero have been taken over progressively by two forces, one a metagaming "club" of thousands and one a metagaming group of RMT businesses. "Middling" sized groups of new players wanting to actually play Eve have no choice but to join the existing groups under "serf" terms or simply stay out of Zero. The fact that less than 12% of the Eve Population dwells in Zero is proof of this.
I have played Eve for six years, five of those years in zero, and observed this trend increasingly entrenched. CCP's failure to retain new subscribers is directly related to this problem. CCP is shooting itself in the foot in terms of revenues by catering to these metagame groups.
This. Until game mechanics change, especially with regard to small fleet access to 0.0, the Goons are playing the game given to them by CCP, the same as NC and Bob before them. There's a few ways this could change: ship or equipment changes, sov changes, or more ways into zero-zero. CCP has probably considered them all, but at some point it's time to grasp the nettle and damn well get on with it.
I'm for easier zero-zero access and adjustable sov. to promote more small fleet fights, which is what most people seem to love to do. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
38
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Posted - 2012.01.09 17:15:00 -
[157] - Quote
Farethria wrote:Ira Theos wrote:
Personally, I would prefer that CCP structure the game in such a way that new forces were encouraged to form in HighSec and assault the establishment powerbases of Zero. Unfortunately that can't happen under current mechanics. The major resource centers of Zero have been taken over progressively by two forces, one a metagaming "club" of thousands and one a metagaming group of RMT businesses. "Middling" sized groups of new players wanting to actually play Eve have no choice but to join the existing groups under "serf" terms or simply stay out of Zero. The fact that less than 12% of the Eve Population dwells in Zero is proof of this.
I have played Eve for six years, five of those years in zero, and observed this trend increasingly entrenched. CCP's failure to retain new subscribers is directly related to this problem. CCP is shooting itself in the foot in terms of revenues by catering to these metagame groups.
This. Until game mechanics change, especially with regard to small fleet access to 0.0, the Goons are playing the game given to them by CCP, the same as NC and Bob before them. There's a few ways this could change: ship or equipment changes, sov changes, or more ways into zero-zero. CCP has probably considered them all, but at some point it's time to grasp the nettle and damn well get on with it. I'm for easier zero-zero access and adjustable sov. to promote more small fleet fights, which is what most people seem to love to do.
Both posts are true. One of the common digs for CVA was, you only have Provi because nobody wants it/ That's pretty true of all null. 12% have it because 88% don't want it. Sure they would love to have access to the content but the surcharge is just too high.
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
119
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Posted - 2012.01.09 17:24:00 -
[158] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote:The fact that less than 12% of the Eve Population dwells in Zero is proof of this.
Welp, it has been fun, but your mental acrobatics are too much for me. |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos Skunk Works.
49
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:02:00 -
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met worst wrote:Sirinda wrote:Eh, I'll just make a fortune selling tinfoil. Seriously, you keep telling yourself that. Whose gonna stop 'em?
Well, last time it was them. |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:34:00 -
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Jafit McJafitson wrote:Ira Theos wrote:The fact that less than 12% of the Eve Population dwells in Zero is proof of this. Welp, it has been fun, but your mental acrobatics are too much for me. That was apparent before you even tried. |
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
412
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Posted - 2012.01.09 18:42:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:The point is, why were the Goons and Russkies the only ones to take advantage of the huge vacume left by BoB's disappearance. Seeing them fill that hole NOW is a bit too late. Where were you when it was time to get in on the party?
Maybe that's a bit vague. As long as nobody else attempts a serious run at them, they'll sit in the catbird seat, assuming they don't respond in kind. It's what wars are made from, contention. I remember when the Goons were barely squeaking by. But, they persisted, and it paid off. Why should they be criticized for being effective? Why should the game be criticized if its dynamics afford such an opportunity to those who dare take it?
The remedy is to be just as effective...or moreso if you wish to tip the scale. It's all there waiting to be done. Do it.
It's a normal process after a large shift in the status quo. With BoB in control, the Goons couldn't make a move, but after their demise, there was a lot of unclaimed territory.
Sun Tzu said it best:
Quote:An army may march great distances without distress, if it marches through country where the enemy is not. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended. You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked.
If the Goons had attempted to oust BoB by direct combat, the Goons would have faced an uphill battle, facing opposition at every turn. By taking advantage of the void left by BoB's demise, they took a huge area of space, and they did it with little-to-no cost to themselves. I'd like to talk to the strategist that made the call, because his timing on the move was absolutely brilliant.
As for the 'why should they be criticized' angle -- frankly, I'm not sure they should be. At least, not for the clever maneuvering that got them where they are today. I think, rather, that criticism should be (and is) directed primarily at their increasing presence and voice in the meta-game.
Do the Goons have 'too much power'? In some ways, I feel that they do. I've read the complaints about how the Goons 'seized the CSM', and I've seen the results of their ice-belt embargo (the latter an extremely effective strategy, however unpleasant it may be for the rest of us).
My point is, only a massive dedication of ships and materiel will unseat the Goons; that's how it was when BoB was in the seat, and that's how it's going to continue after the Goons are finally ousted. Even if that happens, the next group that takes power will be in much the same position, holding the space that the Goons have vacated.
If we want to 'challenge the beast', it's going to take more than a token attempt at parlay. It's going to take force. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
204
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:02:00 -
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i agree with the 0.0 gold rush idea but instead of resetting current sov just make all of high/lowsec space 0.0 security maybe sprinkle some moons so empire dwellers turned space-napoleons have a bit of extra incentive
also make stations destructable |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:11:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:The point is, why were the Goons and Russkies the only ones to take advantage of the huge vacume left by BoB's disappearance. Seeing them fill that hole NOW is a bit too late. Where were you when it was time to get in on the party?
Maybe that's a bit vague. As long as nobody else attempts a serious run at them, they'll sit in the catbird seat, assuming they don't respond in kind. It's what wars are made from, contention. I remember when the Goons were barely squeaking by. But, they persisted, and it paid off. Why should they be criticized for being effective? Why should the game be criticized if its dynamics afford such an opportunity to those who dare take it?
The remedy is to be just as effective...or moreso if you wish to tip the scale. It's all there waiting to be done. Do it. It's a normal process after a large shift in the status quo. With BoB in control, the Goons couldn't make a move, but after their demise, there was a lot of unclaimed territory. Sun Tzu said it best: Quote:An army may march great distances without distress, if it marches through country where the enemy is not. You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended. You can ensure the safety of your defense if you only hold positions that cannot be attacked. If the Goons had attempted to oust BoB by direct combat, the Goons would have faced an uphill battle, facing opposition at every turn. By taking advantage of the void left by BoB's demise, they took a huge area of space, and they did it with little-to-no cost to themselves. I'd like to talk to the strategist that made the call, because his timing on the move was absolutely brilliant. As for the 'why should they be criticized' angle -- frankly, I'm not sure they should be. At least, not for the clever maneuvering that got them where they are today. I think, rather, that criticism should be (and is) directed primarily at their increasing presence and voice in the meta-game. Do the Goons have 'too much power'? In some ways, I feel that they do. I've read the complaints about how the Goons 'seized the CSM', and I've seen the results of their ice-belt embargo (the latter an extremely effective strategy, however unpleasant it may be for the rest of us). My point is, only a massive dedication of ships and materiel will unseat the Goons; that's how it was when BoB was in the seat, and that's how it's going to continue after the Goons are finally ousted. Even if that happens, the next group that takes power will be in much the same position, holding the space that the Goons have vacated. If we want to 'challenge the beast', it's going to take more than a token attempt at parlay. It's going to take force.
Nope, BOB was undone by a stab in the back by a turncoat director. The "fail" Corp/Alliance mechanisms for control, however "fail" they are, are another story entirely. BOB itself was an issue before the Goons or RMT Plantations for much the same reasons. They were the early settlers of Zero when it was not populated, and having seized the then major resource centers (fixed complexes, moongoo, etc.) and having built up a massive resource core through game bugs and exploits (not to mention T20 events) were UNASSAILABLE. The Goons merely came along and cleaned up after their rogue director put an end to their reign. So get your facts straight.
The problem is not dissimilar to why the Chinese are on their own server. Until metagaming advantages are engineered out of the game mechanics, ordinary subscribers need not apply (except to SomethingAwful.com or the RMT Plantations for "Guard Dog" duty.) |
Prince Kobol
156
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:22:00 -
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Ira Theos wrote: BOB itself was an issue before the Goons or RMT Plantations for much the same reasons. They were the early settlers of Zero when it was not populated, and having seized the then major resource centers (fixed complexes, moongoo, etc.) and having built up a massive resource core through game bugs and exploits (not to mention T20 events) were UNASSAILABLE. The Goons merely came along and cleaned up after their rogue director put an end to their reign. So get your facts straight.
The problem is not dissimilar to why the Chinese are on their own server. Until metagaming advantages are engineered out of the game mechanics, ordinary subscribers need not apply (except to SomethingAwful.com or the RMT Plantations for "Guard Dog" duty.) How thrilling. Really makes me want to spend $15/month on a sub..... NOT!
Still awaiting proof of these RMT Plantations
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
41
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:23:00 -
[165] - Quote
Ira Theos wrote: Nope, BOB was undone by a stab in the back by a turncoat director. The "fail" Corp/Alliance mechanisms for control, however "fail" they are, are another story entirely. BOB itself was an issue before the Goons or RMT Plantations for much the same reasons. They were the early settlers of Zero when it was not populated, and having seized the then major resource centers (fixed complexes, moongoo, etc.) and having built up a massive resource core through game bugs and exploits (not to mention T20 events) were UNASSAILABLE. The Goons merely came along and cleaned up after their rogue director put an end to their reign. So get your facts straight.
The problem is not dissimilar to why the Chinese are on their own server. Until metagaming advantages are engineered out of the game mechanics, ordinary subscribers need not apply (except to SomethingAwful.com or the RMT Plantations for "Guard Dog" duty.)
I've said as much, so have others. It gets lost in forum wars and derailment campaigns.
Even the more recent NC didn't fall in combat. NC had been fighting Russians for 2 years prior to the fall, just not in thier own systems. After the Anom nerf being in NC became pure PvP and that meant unsustainable ISK sinks so everyone left. By the time PL showed up, NC was already in Evac.
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:24:00 -
[166] - Quote
Ocih wrote:Ira Theos wrote: Nope, BOB was undone by a stab in the back by a turncoat director. The "fail" Corp/Alliance mechanisms for control, however "fail" they are, are another story entirely. BOB itself was an issue before the Goons or RMT Plantations for much the same reasons. They were the early settlers of Zero when it was not populated, and having seized the then major resource centers (fixed complexes, moongoo, etc.) and having built up a massive resource core through game bugs and exploits (not to mention T20 events) were UNASSAILABLE. The Goons merely came along and cleaned up after their rogue director put an end to their reign. So get your facts straight.
The problem is not dissimilar to why the Chinese are on their own server. Until metagaming advantages are engineered out of the game mechanics, ordinary subscribers need not apply (except to SomethingAwful.com or the RMT Plantations for "Guard Dog" duty.)
I've said as much, so have others. It gets lost in forum wars and derailment campaigns. Even the more recent NC didn't fall in combat. NC had been fighting Russians for 2 years prior to the fall, just not in thier own systems. After the Anom nerf being in NC became pure PvP and that meant unsustainable ISK sinks so everyone left. By the time PL showed up, NC was already in Evac.
Exactly! |
Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:31:00 -
[167] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Ira Theos wrote: BOB itself was an issue before the Goons or RMT Plantations for much the same reasons. They were the early settlers of Zero when it was not populated, and having seized the then major resource centers (fixed complexes, moongoo, etc.) and having built up a massive resource core through game bugs and exploits (not to mention T20 events) were UNASSAILABLE. The Goons merely came along and cleaned up after their rogue director put an end to their reign. So get your facts straight.
The problem is not dissimilar to why the Chinese are on their own server. Until metagaming advantages are engineered out of the game mechanics, ordinary subscribers need not apply (except to SomethingAwful.com or the RMT Plantations for "Guard Dog" duty.) How thrilling. Really makes me want to spend $15/month on a sub..... NOT!
Still awaiting proof of these RMT Plantations
Just like you are still waiting for proof that the Earth is round!
But just for you Kobol.
http://eveonline.rpgstash.com/eve-ships/ http://www.swagvault.com/eve/gold/904 http://www.gamebank.biz/eve-online-c-15.html
I could list more , but here Google it yourself...
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=15&gs_id=1a&xhr=t&q=eve+ships+for+sale&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=eve+ships+for+s&aq=0&aqi=g1g-v1g-j2&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=40245a39e324c096&biw=1920&bih=901 |
FeralShadow
CenGen Armament
28
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:44:00 -
[168] - Quote
It seems to me that a lot of people are complaining that people think their small corporation, or even the person individually, should be able to take null sec space for themselves without being threatened by large alliances. I really don't see how that can ever be the case. Since null sec is lawless, the alliances roll around and destroy anybody smaller than them. It simply comes down to manpower. If you dont have the manpower, you have to make it not-worth-their-time, and if you can't do that, then you can't stay in null. I don't really even see why that should ever change. If you want to go out with your small-time corp/alliance, there's NPC owned null sec you can live in. Sure, goonswarm and whoever-the-hell-else owns a huge amount of space, but so have others. There's plenty you can still do while not attacking them directly, but that seems to be all anybody can ever think about.
So, until someone comes around and makes a giant coalition to take them down, everybody will just have to wait for them to fold from the inside. And then, they'll be replaced by somebody else. That's just the way it is, and with no limiting factors, the biggest/wealthiest force owns the most territory. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
136
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:08:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Give wormhole-life a try.
They're what zerosec should have been.
Not quite. The only people who care about wormholes are anti-social roleplayer types who can't hack fleet combat.
Oh, very good [/sarcasm].
You just keep believing that utterly ridiculous tripe, if it makes you comfortable.
Imbecile. I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
Prince Kobol
156
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:39:00 -
[170] - Quote
How does that prove that null sec alliances are involved in RMT?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1509
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:40:00 -
[171] - Quote
all of those sites you linked MUST be supplied by nullsec players, right? oh no, there's no way that they're supplied by bots in high-sec/lowsec/NPC 0.0, nope |
Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
46
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:45:00 -
[172] - Quote
Tallianna Avenkarde wrote:Oh noes BoB is killing eve! No wait its the russians! No wait its the NC! No wait its the russians again! No now it's Goons!
Everytime an alliance get too big for its pants, another coalition forms to take it down.
Next time it will be the 99 percent ;)
So as we have all seen and know to be true- massive, seemingly unstoppable alliances always crumble and fall. I would like to know a Goon opinion on this. How does it feel to know your days are numbered? Or do you tell yourselves that you are somehow special snowflakes and the laws of EVE do not govern you? Bearer of the 1600mm Tinfoil HatGäó |
Valei Khurelem
126
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:48:00 -
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Can people please stop using that stupid 99% thing? You don't represent me, go away. |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:50:00 -
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Andski wrote:met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: ...the only things an alliance has to do to remain a member of the CFC is show observable participation in coalition-wide pursuits...
Lawl. A long winded way of saying "gogogogogogo - NOW". "CTA" is just too strong a word for your sheep and it's this softcock approach that sucks your members in. Unsaid, but absolutely implied, if you don't - you get nothing from "He who owns all things" and "Frowned upon by he who bequeaths all things". All in all, the terminology is a pretencious approach to be told what to do. The extraordinary thing is you all think Mittens is being "nice". CFC are all Lil' Olivers. The difference being that Oliver woke up to it in the end. Sad. you are so dumb lol it's like you won't stop alternating between "We didn't want the north anyway" and "**** goons they didn't commit to save my dying alliance" - basically, get lost As usual Andski, a shitsperg. Did you read? I was in Tribute ready to fight for NC. 3 or 4 days later we were stood down. |
Darkness Descend
Eternal Phoenix Rises Dark Phoenix Rising.
1
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Posted - 2012.01.09 20:54:00 -
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Everytime someone gets to big, people gather together to get them down.
This is what i think happens. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1509
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:04:00 -
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met worst wrote:Andski wrote:met worst wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote: ...the only things an alliance has to do to remain a member of the CFC is show observable participation in coalition-wide pursuits...
Lawl. A long winded way of saying "gogogogogogo - NOW". "CTA" is just too strong a word for your sheep and it's this softcock approach that sucks your members in. Unsaid, but absolutely implied, if you don't - you get nothing from "He who owns all things" and "Frowned upon by he who bequeaths all things". All in all, the terminology is a pretencious approach to be told what to do. The extraordinary thing is you all think Mittens is being "nice". CFC are all Lil' Olivers. The difference being that Oliver woke up to it in the end. Sad. you are so dumb lol it's like you won't stop alternating between "We didn't want the north anyway" and "**** goons they didn't commit to save my dying alliance" - basically, get lost As usual Andski, a shitsperg. Did you read? I was in Tribute ready to fight for NC. 3 or 4 days later we were stood down.
"we stood down, why didn't the CFC come save us (((" |
met worst
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.01.09 21:38:00 -
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Andski wrote: "we stood down, why didn't the CFC come save us ((("
Yeah. Good question hey Andski.
The stand down from memory occurred 3-4 days after Valentines Day.
Chrono' - A red fleet "just happened" to set one of the best traps ever decimating the NC super fleet and ripping morale to pieces. - CFC "walks away" claiming NC won't fight. - Pushes hard for a cap nerf through the CSM (with PL and friends). - The DRF all but collapses and best forces are diverted on a pointless war in the east.
And SOMEHOW, the Goons were "suddenly" ready for a Branch invasion and rolled it in 9 days.
Strategic brilliance or manipulation?
Has this whole "show" been setup by perhaps no more than 3 or 4 players to secure most of the wealth in game.
Why?
Might start looking at other Goon "friends" ignored in recent history as Reds attack. Anyone got details?
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Ira Theos
Viziam Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:59:00 -
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Andski wrote:all of those sites you linked MUST be supplied by nullsec players, right? oh no, there's no way that they're supplied by bots in high-sec/lowsec/NPC 0.0, nope
So you are saying that the major resource points ingame (enough to actually sell surplus) are in HigSec and not in Zero and that supercaps are manufactured in HighSec or even LoSec. RIIIGGHHT !
You're slipping Andski. Your logic is usually better than this. Try again. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2012.01.10 03:33:00 -
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met worst wrote:Andski wrote: "we stood down, why didn't the CFC come save us ((("
Yeah. Good question hey Andski. The stand down from memory occurred 3-4 days after Valentines Day. Chrono' - A red fleet "just happened" to set one of the best traps ever decimating the NC super fleet and ripping morale to pieces. - CFC "walks away" claiming NC won't fight. - Pushes hard for a cap nerf through the CSM (with PL and friends). - The DRF all but collapses and best forces are diverted on a pointless war in the east. And SOMEHOW, the Goons were "suddenly" ready for a Branch invasion and rolled it in 9 days. Strategic brilliance or manipulation? Has this whole "show" been setup by perhaps no more than 3 or 4 players to secure most of the wealth in game. Why? Might start looking at other Goon "friends" ignored in recent history as Reds attack. Anyone got details? that's pretty much it, we're just that good between the fall of NC and how your apps are being trolled and rejected by the elite pvp goon haters, which are you more butthurt about? wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
225
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:02:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Can people please stop using that stupid 99% thing? You don't represent me, go away.
Never claimed to represent you.
Now you go away and try to derp some more thrashers into broadswords. And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
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