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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.07.02 07:54:00 -
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And the camper cried foul.
I am flying a Viator. I have an MWD and a Cloak. I jumped into a lowsec system and saw a couple people. One was flashing as negative sec status.
I then picked my destination, doubleclicked to align, hit my MWD and then cloaked. After a couple seconds of acceleration from the MWD boost it was above 80% required for warp. So I uncloaked and warped being aligned and at speed, I warped out.
Is this smart flying, or am I somehow abusing something? He seems to think that I was abusing something as he said in local he was going to petition.
However, I told him that he in fact failed to have the tools required to catch me and told him the name of someone who DID have the tools to catch me so he could ask how it was done.
Of course, that was met with a request for sexual favors.
Am I abusing some sort of "Exploit" or was he just ill-equipped for our particular encounter? Should I just immediately explode when someone with a combat ship meets me in a hauler?
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Tamiryth Kerenyi
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:00:00 -
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I think he's getting on at the use of a cloak. I can sorta see where he's coming from though, the cloak acts as a sort of ECM, making you harder to lock than you would be otherwise.
But to be frank, he should have locked you before you got to activate your cloak, especially if you're in a ****** transport ship. Can't really say it's an exploit though, just annoying. But hey, gets your stuff through, and at the end of the day, that's what matters.
Also, dissapointed. From the title, was expecting tales of camping the actual gate in a blockade runner :(
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Jonny 101
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:01:00 -
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omg, i'm petitioning you for that post!
See how easy that was? now you tell me you're going to petition me, go on, it's easy, you can even tell me i'll be perma banned.
Guess what, nothing is gonna happen, it's an easy and dumb thing to say, and alot of dumb people say it all the time.
You met a dumb camper, there are tons of them, try visiting rancer, you'll see how right I am. ------------------------------------------------ crash003 > 400k more lp and ill have a navy mega TheJacko > 400k lol TheJacko > ineed 250k The hidden face of turby |
Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tamiryth Kerenyi Also, dissapointed. From the title, was expecting tales of camping the actual gate in a blockade runner :(
With a single smartbomb to fight with? Now that would be something.
Sorry to disappoint.
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Cruthensis
Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:07:00 -
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How dare you! You have a duty sit there, get locked and scrambled and die. It people like you who ruin a lazy gate campers day. The cheek!
But, seriously - why do gate campers seem to feel so hard done by when someone employs a simple tactic to escape their gank? Pathetic. |
General Coochie
Gallente New Justice Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:50:00 -
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So many stuipid ppl in this game
Good luck with your hauling. Dont let any fools cmaping a gate set you off.
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Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:54:00 -
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People like you should be locked, scrammed, and shot down for not dying in camp... oh.. wait a minute..
ACERBUS-VINDICTUM
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.07.02 10:04:00 -
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Does a single pirate count as a gate camp? Hmm... It is annoying with the display relays and weird error messages when trying to lock dissapearing ships, but seems fair...
The MWD was only used in 1 burst before cloaking, right? - I'm a nice guy!! and OMG I love Team Tuxford for the speedbalancing... |
Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.07.02 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pinky Denmark Does a single pirate count as a gate camp? Hmm... It is annoying with the display relays and weird error messages when trying to lock dissapearing ships, but seems fair...
The MWD was only used in 1 burst before cloaking, right?
A single pirate camping a gate is still a gate-camp. This was a two-man camp unless the caracal was just a random sweatshop caracal that infests the region, which is possible.
The MWD was used just before cloaking, so yes, 1 burst as I can't activate the MWD while cloaked.
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Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:04:00 -
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Actually, you did what any smart hauler would do in such a situation. It is his fault that he doesn't know how to counter your actions and kill you.
ACERBUS-VINDICTUM
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:12:00 -
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It's simple psychology. Your action made him feel inferior, and the only way for him to make himself feel any better is to overpower the massive voices of fail by whining.
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1tommo1
Caldari kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Strife Phoenix Actually, you did what any smart hauler would do in such a situation. It is his fault that he doesn't know how to counter your actions and kill you.
Signed.
Smart flying mate.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny 101 omg, i'm petitioning you for that post!
See how easy that was? now you tell me you're going to petition me, go on, it's easy, you can even tell me i'll be perma banned.
Guess what, nothing is gonna happen, it's an easy and dumb thing to say, and alot of dumb people say it all the time.
You met a dumb camper, there are tons of them, try visiting rancer, you'll see how right I am.
I'm petitioning you for using so many commas! You gonna get perma-banned!
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ~Liz Kali
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:17:00 -
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OP: You did what you were supposed to do. The so-called "pirate" in question did not.
Perhaps next time the "pirate" will know to burn towards your last reported location and pop drones out to decloak you prior to warp . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Zhett Haukes
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:19:00 -
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smart flying in my book.
Ignore him - he is just ****ed that you out played him.
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kumu Honua on 02/07/2007 11:25:54
Originally by: RuleoftheBone OP: You did what you were supposed to do. The so-called "pirate" in question did not.
Perhaps next time the "pirate" will know to burn towards your last reported location and pop drones out to decloak you prior to warp .
This is exactly why I didn't think it was an exploit. It's possible to catch me. It's happened before. You just have to be paying attention and have the right tool for the job.
I've never been told I was being petitioned like that before. I guess it caught me off guard and I had to see what anyone else thought about it.
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kapads
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kumu Honua
I then picked my destination, doubleclicked to align, hit my MWD and then cloaked. After a couple seconds of acceleration from the MWD boost it was above 80% required for warp. So I uncloaked and warped being aligned and at speed, I warped out.
There is no counter for this maneuver in lowsec, if performed perfectly.
As far as i know its not and exploit.
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: kapads
Originally by: Kumu Honua
I then picked my destination, doubleclicked to align, hit my MWD and then cloaked. After a couple seconds of acceleration from the MWD boost it was above 80% required for warp. So I uncloaked and warped being aligned and at speed, I warped out.
There is no counter for this maneuver in lowsec, if performed perfectly.
As far as i know its not and exploit.
a fast ship that can bump him out of cloak. Tho shall give Life, for Life. |
Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: kapads
Originally by: Kumu Honua
I then picked my destination, doubleclicked to align, hit my MWD and then cloaked. After a couple seconds of acceleration from the MWD boost it was above 80% required for warp. So I uncloaked and warped being aligned and at speed, I warped out.
There is no counter for this maneuver in lowsec, if performed perfectly.
As far as i know its not and exploit.
kapads... on the forums? I'd nevar!
- Recruitment open again-
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Mrs Yutty
Janeway's Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.02 11:43:00 -
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This sounds a perfect manouver, you clearly showed him how good a pilot you was and you knew how to use the equipment you had fitted.
He just wanted it all his own way. But I bet if the fight went pants for him he would log on you.
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.07.02 12:23:00 -
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There are a few nigh uncounterable manoeuvers in Eve , such as stealing ore in highsec while aligned to warp (the overview will never show you as flashing red) but they are well within game mechanics. This particular trick couldn't be nerfed without changing Eve physics and the warp align system. Adding a delay to warp after decloaking would be an overkill nerf to non-covops cloaks.
In theory , a nanoship would be a good counter. But try tanking sentries with that...
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Radcjk
Caldari Team Machine Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.07.02 13:04:00 -
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You were well within the mechanics of the game mate. Nothing you did was a cheap meta-game trick. You used the tools you had in the manner they were intended. A t2 industrial to haul goods with a higher chance of survivability, a mwd to move faster than an opponent, and a cloak to dodge out of lock / fire untill you were ready to make your move.
Can't blame you if he wasn't able to watch the screen to try and burn towards you instead of relying on the overview, his ship was too slow, or he didn't have enough points or a fast enough lock time.
Personally, I'd say name and shame for such stupid speech on his part.
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.07.02 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Radcjk Personally, I'd say name and shame for such stupid speech on his part.
Nah. I see no need to name and shame.
So far this is the only negative encounter I have had with a member of this corp.
I just wanted to see what everyone thought about the validity of the petitioning. I think my concerns have been assuaged to my satisfaction.
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.07.02 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kumu Honua And the camper cried foul.
I am flying a Viator. I have an MWD and a Cloak. I jumped into a lowsec system and saw a couple people. One was flashing as negative sec status.
I then picked my destination, doubleclicked to align, hit my MWD and then cloaked. After a couple seconds of acceleration from the MWD boost it was above 80% required for warp. So I uncloaked and warped being aligned and at speed, I warped out.
Is this smart flying, or am I somehow abusing something? He seems to think that I was abusing something as he said in local he was going to petition.
However, I told him that he in fact failed to have the tools required to catch me and told him the name of someone who DID have the tools to catch me so he could ask how it was done.
Of course, that was met with a request for sexual favors.
Am I abusing some sort of "Exploit" or was he just ill-equipped for our particular encounter? Should I just immediately explode when someone with a combat ship meets me in a hauler?
I've done this many, many times. And it usually works.
However, this weekend, I fat fingered it, and the camp at Tama on Saturday morning (around 10 AM Eastern time) was composed of at least 11 ships, with more than enough to instalock me and enough points to scram me.
My pod got away - but my Crane went up in smoke in less than 5 seconds.
Excitement! At least it was a good, competent camp, who were on their toes and ready for this sort of thing.
It's getting pretty unusual to see a camp that good - so I see this as a trade off - sometimes you get away, and sometimes you don't. Either way, it's skill, cunning, and coordination that pays off. ------------------
"Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all." |
Karlemgne
The Malevolent
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Posted - 2007.07.02 14:19:00 -
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Sometimes my fellow pilots are not too bright. I have an alt that also flies a Viator from time to time. I really love it when I warp out of a gatecamp, and I'm greeted by a howl of "stab monkey" in local.
Sometimes from very old players. Do the majority of pirates not know how Blockade runners work?
-Karlemgne
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milinkoee
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.07.02 15:22:00 -
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He was just mad because you owned that camp.
You didn't do anything wrong, if fact you did it all right.
Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!! |
Kamenwati
The Corpse Collectors
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Posted - 2007.07.02 16:08:00 -
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Is there any wonder why we have a petition backlog with people threatening to make idiotic petitions like this? TBH if this idiot wannabe "pirate" did indeed file a petition over this he should be warned to stop abusing the petition system.
You not only did nothing wrong, you fitted and used your ship exactly in the way it was designed for - to run blockades.
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THEGREAT LOBO
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.07.02 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: Kumu Honua And the camper cried foul.
I am flying a Viator. I have an MWD and a Cloak. I jumped into a lowsec system and saw a couple people. One was flashing as negative sec status.
I then picked my destination, doubleclicked to align, hit my MWD and then cloaked. After a couple seconds of acceleration from the MWD boost it was above 80% required for warp. So I uncloaked and warped being aligned and at speed, I warped out.
Is this smart flying, or am I somehow abusing something? He seems to think that I was abusing something as he said in local he was going to petition.
However, I told him that he in fact failed to have the tools required to catch me and told him the name of someone who DID have the tools to catch me so he could ask how it was done.
Of course, that was met with a request for sexual favors.
Am I abusing some sort of "Exploit" or was he just ill-equipped for our particular encounter? Should I just immediately explode when someone with a combat ship meets me in a hauler?
I've done this many, many times. And it usually works.
However, this weekend, I fat fingered it, and the camp at Tama on Saturday morning (around 10 AM Eastern time) was composed of at least 11 ships, with more than enough to instalock me and enough points to scram me.
My pod got away - but my Crane went up in smoke in less than 5 seconds.
Excitement! At least it was a good, competent camp, who were on their toes and ready for this sort of thing.
It's getting pretty unusual to see a camp that good - so I see this as a trade off - sometimes you get away, and sometimes you don't. Either way, it's skill, cunning, and coordination that pays off.
Thank you Agent Li. its nice to know our work does not go unnoticed
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.07.02 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: THEGREAT LOBO Thank you Agent Li. its nice to know our work does not go unnoticed
It's always good to see someone hard at work! ------------------
"Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all." |
Dal Thrax
Nova Inc. Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.07.02 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kumu Honua And the camper cried foul.
I am flying a Viator. I have an MWD and a Cloak. I jumped into a lowsec system and saw a couple people. One was flashing as negative sec status.
I then picked my destination, doubleclicked to align, hit my MWD and then cloaked. After a couple seconds of acceleration from the MWD boost it was above 80% required for warp. So I uncloaked and warped being aligned and at speed, I warped out.
Is this smart flying, or am I somehow abusing something? He seems to think that I was abusing something as he said in local he was going to petition.
However, I told him that he in fact failed to have the tools required to catch me and told him the name of someone who DID have the tools to catch me so he could ask how it was done.
Of course, that was met with a request for sexual favors.
Am I abusing some sort of "Exploit" or was he just ill-equipped for our particular encounter? Should I just immediately explode when someone with a combat ship meets me in a hauler?
Sounds like damn good flying on your part to me.
Dal
Originally by: Seleene It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns.
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