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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.01.09 01:53:00 -
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An Example of NRDS policy in CVA -
You go to Providence space.
A "CVA Friend" locks you.
You lock them back.
*Note I didn't say anyone opened fire*
Your alliance gets set red.
I actually discussed this with some sort of diplo....even he had complete stupidity for an reason for why that was offensive.
Conclusion - complete...and utter bull####.
At least the Goons and company keep it real and keep it rational when it comes to policies.
NBSI isn't easier....its common sense.
NRDS for all of its honor and pomp/circumstances is nothing more than diplomatic nightmare from hell with 10 to 100 times more effort involved and political effort and he said she said claims.
I think NRDS is a pipe dream that no one well really ever accomplish because someone is always out to get someone with a little lying and fast talking. |
Xystance
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
197
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Posted - 2012.01.09 02:16:00 -
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Meanwhile...
The 99 Percent valiantly fights the oppression of NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) oppression and encroachment on freedom in The Great Wildlands by True Reign. Don't worry friends, we're doing the lord's work to keep GW free.
Keep rules about engagement out of 0.0 and cordoned off highsec, enforced by neutral, unimpeachable and impassonate CONCORD and Faction Police and away from the corrupting influence of CVA, Yulai, and all those who would tell us how to play "our" game.
First the liberation of Great Wildlands, next... Providence. |
Themick Mccoy
18
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Posted - 2012.01.09 02:29:00 -
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I don't know what everyone is arguing about honestly...I get nervous when people land on grid...in high-sec,
Okay stupid jokes aside I think people throwing insults out on both sides is getting tedious.
Solution:
DSS (Dock and Ship Spin)
I'm a noob! If you catch me ingame, don't bother with a ransom, I ain't paying! I'm still learning the pvpies, plus, I'm a Jew. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
106
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:22:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:i dont understand how u can compare NRDS and NBSI....and talking about being it serves the same purpose... but to make the picture clear for you... here we go:
A small mining corp decides to take some rare ore form 0.0 space and make small adventure for their corp... can they come to GSF space... You will pop them up and then pod them and send them home back
In our region... they can come, mine, haul and even use a rorqual without being touched by our pilots....(Ofcourse they should watch for NBSI gangs roaming though)
So it seems that you are either trolling or dont get hte whole picture....
We fight hostile ships... we dont blow neutral miners, haulers and deffensless ships like you do ... Although these mainly are the one that get ur kb glow...
Yes but provi is literally **** and the only reason you keep it is because nobody wants it |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
668
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Posted - 2012.01.09 06:44:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Yes but provi is literally **** and the only reason you keep it is because nobody wants it
Pretty much this.
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Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
429
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:05:00 -
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Did Aralis every return from his whiny temper-tantrum storm off? Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
WIdot Director of Quality Control and Ironically Signing My Title to Posts To Make People ~mad~ |
Mohamad Transporte
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.01.09 07:37:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Mohamad Transporte wrote:i dont understand how u can compare NRDS and NBSI....and talking about being it serves the same purpose... but to make the picture clear for you... here we go:
A small mining corp decides to take some rare ore form 0.0 space and make small adventure for their corp... can they come to GSF space... You will pop them up and then pod them and send them home back
In our region... they can come, mine, haul and even use a rorqual without being touched by our pilots....(Ofcourse they should watch for NBSI gangs roaming though)
So it seems that you are either trolling or dont get hte whole picture....
We fight hostile ships... we dont blow neutral miners, haulers and deffensless ships like you do ... Although these mainly are the one that get ur kb glow... Yes but provi is literally **** and the only reason you keep it is because nobody wants it
For pets .. its not
for pvp'ers.. its heaven |
Collin Dow
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
9
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Posted - 2012.01.09 09:12:00 -
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Xystance wrote:Meanwhile...
The 99 Percent valiantly fights the oppression of NRDS (Not Red Don't Shoot) oppression and encroachment on freedom in The Great Wildlands by True Reign. Don't worry friends, we're doing the lord's work to keep GW free.
Keep rules about engagement out of 0.0 and cordoned off highsec, enforced by neutral, unimpeachable and impassonate CONCORD and Faction Police and away from the corrupting influence of CVA, Yulai, and all those who would tell us how to play "our" game.
First the liberation of Great Wildlands, next... Providence.
Goddamn Eve-O won't take my embed. http://www.flickr.com/photos/collindow/6650974569 The Gallente shall rise again! The Glorious Revolution is recruiting. -áContact me about joining! |
Hammez Coopez
Council Of Internal War The Paganism Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.01.09 14:30:00 -
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Interesting reading both sides of the coin. I fly around provi and it feels safer than empire. Bumped into a few nbsi corps out in catch area and they quite chatty :-)
Everyday eve gets bigger, anothet bloody mail!
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Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
444
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Posted - 2012.01.09 15:17:00 -
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I, for one, enjoy NRDS space such as Provi. Everyone is so friendly and happy-go-lucky, and it gives me a MUCH wider selection of targets to shoot. |
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Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
676
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Posted - 2012.01.09 17:29:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:for pvp'ers.. its heaven
The only redeeming factor of Provi actually, is it gives us PvP types a place to go on our 'off' time and get some ~gudfites~. I'd dig up the battle report from a year or so ago, but 11 nano ships, completely non-consensual anally injured 80+ CVA guys, but I don't think anyone needs proof that CVA is garbage, and nobody gives a single gram of **** about Yulai whatever (maybe if you added another title to your sig, we may care, maybe).
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:34:00 -
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Praerian wrote:Problem is the moment we win a fight some selectively challenged person posts how ++ber we are etc which just inflames the larger entities to come and put us back in our place.
Please name and shame these people, we will only come for them, promise. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5664
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Posted - 2012.01.09 19:36:00 -
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Leeroy McJenkins wrote:Praerian wrote:Problem is the moment we win a fight some selectively challenged person posts how ++ber we are etc which just inflames the larger entities to come and put us back in our place.
Please name and shame these people, we will only come for them, promise. Confirming what this poster said. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
106
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Posted - 2012.01.14 04:58:00 -
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Praerian wrote:As a diplomatic answer and to the point lyris made:
NBSI makes life so much easier for Alliances, you can basically keep your borders closed, providence however will always be more vulnerable to attack as most entities will launch neutral awoxers into provi up front to gather intel.
Provi basically has a two fold effect on EVE, or did before CVA /LFA went emo on AAA, a place for bears to get used to 0.0 before heading off to some of the bigger powerblocks and for people who try to stay out of the same powerblocks to hide away and have a little fun.
What we're now trying to do now is return it to the status quo that existed before, so people can have some pvp fun without the threat of constantly losing space reds can have some fun roaming and have some decent fights. Problem is the moment we win a fight some selectively challenged person posts how ++ber we are etc which just inflames the larger entities to come and put us back in our place.
The brighter people just keep calm and post GF's knowing that the outcome next time could be completely different.
We don't have the isk making facilities of a lot of larger alliances and the fleets are nowhere near as professional but they do have some spirit and can give some of the younger players a bit of a learning experience.
Of course your version of NRDS is to have most of EVE on your redlist. You even have the only other major alliance that operated NRDS set red
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ineluctable.
2
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Posted - 2012.01.14 05:09:00 -
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Postin' in a thread with CVA pets in it, been too long since any attempts at "salvation for caod" has been made. \o/ |
WarFireV
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
14
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Posted - 2012.01.14 05:10:00 -
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CVA has pets? |
Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
684
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Posted - 2012.01.14 09:02:00 -
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WarFireV wrote:CVA has pets?
The uninformed, are uninformed. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
SirFur
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.01.15 07:02:00 -
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The aim of NRDS to my understanding was never to make space 'safe'. That is what NBSI is good at doing. Any unknown entity is immediately considered hostile and every attempt is taken to take them down. NRDS considers an unknown entity a friend until proven otherwise.
The concept of NRDS is simply there to promote more influx of players to the region so that there is an increase of trade and higher ecomomy. It also provides a starter position for newbies to null sec without actually being involved in a bigger alliance. Providence used to be in the old days one of the most populated null sec regions. In addition, it also provides small corps and smaller alliances a feel for null sec in a society that will welcome them as long as they abide by the ROE. This is mainly what NRDS is good for.
The region of providence has always been great for PvP on both sides for the fact that it has a high target-rich concentration quite often with little PvP experience...and much potential for producing tears....which attracts many PvPers looking for kills and of course many (experienced) PvPers in providence await such incursions though often lack the means or ability to overcome them, quite often because the invading forces are usually much better equipped.
It was and still is a good place for newbies to learn about null sec with minimal commitment but the definitive null sec experience for sure is with an NBSI alliance operating with larger numbers, a feature that NRDS is not able to regularly muster as NBSI is far more preferred ROE for the security and simplicity it involves. Providence has a good number of friendly players and does have a good family feel in most alliances and between allies...many of whom have been in the area for over two years struggling through many difficulties, which has made them closer, and I wish them all the best, but I have moved on now. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
215
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Posted - 2012.01.15 07:27:00 -
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itt goons and provi residents fight over which alliance better embodies the true spirit of eve |
SirFur
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.01.15 10:55:00 -
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Drake Draconis wrote:
I think NRDS is a pipe dream that no one well really ever accomplish because someone is always out to get someone with a little lying and fast talking.
BTW NRDS worked very well before the tripled A war era. lots of political BS maybe but the system was very much in place and worked extremely well. They have been around ad long as they have because they are good at what they do.
Even though I have left providence behind I can still appreciate what CVA has done though does not necessarily mean I agree with everything. Life in FA is very different and tbh I prefer it much better yes. |
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Hrald
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2012.01.15 11:13:00 -
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We're leaving out an important alternative doctring. SBED or Shoot Blues ErryDay. This is TEST's official stance. |
NearNihil
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.01.15 14:48:00 -
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Hrald wrote:We're leaving out an important alternative doctring. SBED or Shoot Blues ErryDay. This is TEST's official stance. ISSI - In Space, Shoot It. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5967
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:28:00 -
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Hrald wrote:We're leaving out an important alternative doctring. SBED or Shoot Blues ErryDay. This is TEST's official stance. This is a minor mutation of Theta Squad's custom, "Not Blue Don't Shoot It" policy introduced by thecrate. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5967
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:30:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Mohamad Transporte wrote:for pvp'ers.. its heaven The only redeeming factor of Provi actually, is it gives us PvP types a place to go on our 'off' time and get some ~gudfites~. I'd dig up the battle report from a year or so ago, but 11 nano ships, completely non-consensual anally injured 80+ CVA guys, but I don't think anyone needs proof that CVA is garbage, and nobody gives a single gram of **** about Yulai whatever (maybe if you added another title to your sig, we may care, maybe). The only thing keeping Providence from being routinely ransacked on a scale similar to IRC's space is the fact that IRC's space is so much closer to Mittanigrad than is Providence, the same being in the ass-end of nowhere on the other side of the space map. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5967
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:31:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:itt goons and provi residents fight over which alliance better embodies the true spirit of eve Now we just need Elitist Ops to show up and argue with us about who are the true goons. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5967
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Posted - 2012.01.15 15:35:00 -
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SirFur wrote:The aim of NRDS to my understanding was never to make space 'safe'. That is what NBSI is good at doing. Any unknown entity is immediately considered hostile and every attempt is taken to take them down. NRDS considers an unknown entity a friend until proven otherwise.
The concept of NRDS is simply there to promote more influx of players to the region so that there is an increase of trade and higher ecomomy. It also provides a starter position for newbies to null sec without actually being involved in a bigger alliance. Providence used to be in the old days one of the most populated null sec regions. In addition, it also provides small corps and smaller alliances a feel for null sec in a society that will welcome them as long as they abide by the ROE. This is mainly what NRDS is good for, as well as of course the opportunity to make new friends and allies to expand the Holders Coalition.
The region of providence has always been great for PvP on both sides for the fact that it has a high target-rich concentration quite often with little PvP experience...and much potential for producing tears....which attracts many PvPers looking for kills and of course many (experienced) PvPers in providence await such incursions though often lack the means or ability to overcome them, quite often because the invading forces are usually much better equipped.
It was and still is a good place for newbies to learn about null sec with minimal commitment but the definitive null sec experience for sure is with an NBSI alliance operating with larger numbers, a feature that NRDS is not able to regularly muster as NBSI is far more preferred ROE for the security and simplicity it involves. Providence has a good number of friendly players and does have a good family feel in most alliances and between allies...many of whom have been in the area for over two years struggling through many difficulties, which has made them closer, and I wish them all the best, but I have moved on now. I mucked around down in CVA space for a bit prior to joining Goonswarm, and I never felt safe because I could never relax. Any of the people in local could have been bad guys, all the time, and I was just a random nobody so it's not like I could really form up a gang to fly with other people and have safety in numbers. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer |
SirFur
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.01.16 01:07:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:
I mucked around down in CVA space for a bit prior to joining Goonswarm, and I never felt safe because I could never relax. Any of the people in local could have been bad guys, all the time, and I was just a random nobody so it's not like I could really form up a gang to fly with other people and have safety in numbers.
That is one of the problems I'm afraid of NRDS, but at least it meant you could muck around safe or not. As I said NRDS isn't to make space safe. Just more accessible to randoms who just wanna feel for it. As a corp or small alliance it works well, especially if you decide to habitate a particular area of another alliance who holds space. (CVA tends to be least welcoming of neutral players sometimes...)
However, living there for a while kinda gives you the ability, to some extents, to be able to sniff out a bad situation, usually through misfortune and/or losses, but the 'expereience' does give you some insight. I lived there for around 2 years or so. I did find that 6 months or so of living in the area you knew exactly what would happen when certain folks would be in the area or neutrals flying particular ships, in essence, sensing danger before it hit you. Didn't necessarily mean you got more kills - just meant you knew when to avoid a fight.
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Codo Yagari
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.01.16 11:42:00 -
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NRDS is about making space safe for everyone. It was always about idealism of simply being nice and friendly.
NBSI is about making space safe for yourself. Chosen by those who deep inside dont trust themselves and thus are unable to trust anyone else.
I know you'll keep going on about how NBSI is the supreme RoE, how good it makes you feel when you practise it bla bla bla, and how riduculous and faulty NRDS is, and is only for nerds etc etc, but the fact remains that NBSI is the RoE of the pirate, and NRDS is the RoE of the guardians of civilization. Fleet Admiral Codo Yagari Yulai Guard Commander Yulai Federation Executor http://yulaifederation.net
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
329
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Posted - 2012.01.16 13:01:00 -
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Codo Yagari wrote:NRDS is about making space safe for everyone. It was always about idealism of simply being nice and friendly.
NBSI is about making space safe for yourself. Chosen by those who deep inside dont trust themselves and thus are unable to trust anyone else.
I know you'll keep going on about how NBSI is the supreme RoE, how good it makes you feel when you practise it bla bla bla, and how riduculous and faulty NRDS is, and is only for nerds etc etc, but the fact remains that NBSI is the RoE of the pirate, and NRDS is the RoE of the guardians of civilization.
NRDS is about players trying to be CONCORD, but without all the silly superpowers. Its not safe for anyone, because you never know if that guy is hostile, and so must assume everyone is. But hey, at least CVA will be there in 30 seconds to save you... Whats that you say? CVA are just normal players, and so have a response time measured, most likely, in hours?
Well, wtf. Thats not safe at all. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
259
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Posted - 2012.01.16 13:48:00 -
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Codo Yagari wrote:NRDS is about making space safe for everyone. It was always about idealism of simply being nice and friendly.
NBSI is about making space safe for yourself. Chosen by those who deep inside dont trust themselves and thus are unable to trust anyone else.
I know you'll keep going on about how NBSI is the supreme RoE, how good it makes you feel when you practise it bla bla bla, and how riduculous and faulty NRDS is, and is only for nerds etc etc, but the fact remains that NBSI is the RoE of the pirate, and NRDS is the RoE of the guardians of civilization.
NRDS isnt about making space safe its about people like CVA, or Electus Matari, Yulai Fed or any of teh other so called peacekeepers acting like the space police, setting people red arbitrarily just so you can shoot tehm and still say you are the good guys.
No one is safer in NRDS space, it just means you can go in under a neutral badge and gank peopel until teh sapce police set you red, then work around that and end up neutral so you can do teh same thing again. NRDS is simply another way to enforce some power, making you feel good about yourself.
In NBSI space you have as much safety as you can get in nullsec, safe for your allies. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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