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Zaleen
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Posted - 2007.06.28 01:29:00 -
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I was considering purchasing a Ferox because of the split betwwen turret and launcher hardpoints although i realize it is alittle weaker than the drake in the armor and shield dept.
Would this be a mistake? Is the Ferox as useless as some ppl say?
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Marcus Quo
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.06.28 01:37:00 -
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It's not useless. It's just useless when compared to a Drake.
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Zaleen
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Posted - 2007.06.28 01:43:00 -
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why is that? Can u fit turrets on a drake?
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.28 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zaleen why is that? Can u fit turrets on a drake?
No, but if you fit turrets to a ferox, you're likely to just get laughed at.
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Thor Xian
EarthForce E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.28 01:48:00 -
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The Ferox is an excellent ship for making Command Ships. ________________________________________ ~Fleet Admiral Thor Xian, Strategic Commander
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Foxtrot986
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.28 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Zaleen why is that? Can u fit turrets on a drake?
No, but if you fit turrets to a ferox, you're likely to just get laughed at.
I take it you've never heard of a railox, a ferox fitted with only turrets. Lots of people do it, or shall I say, used to do it before the drake. The drake is a better tank and has 8 missile launcher hardpoints. The good thing about the ferox, however is that it is about 10 mil cheaper with a pretty decent tank. I used to fly a ferox for lvl 3 missions, although admittedly, I never used rails on her.
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Kern Hotha
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Posted - 2007.06.28 03:32:00 -
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If it had either a damage or tracking bonus it would be more exciting, but it lacks either. I used it back before the Drake existed but never got good results with turrets on it in missions. |
Drazin DawnTreader
The Elear
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Posted - 2007.06.28 03:35:00 -
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Not to split hairs here, but the drake only has 7 launcher slots and 1 utility slot. Like many have said, the Ferox is still a nice ship. You can just field a better Tank and spew more missiles with a drake, or field a better tank and shoot guns / use drones with a Myrmidon.
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Ecky X
The Aforementioned
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Posted - 2007.06.28 03:43:00 -
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Difference? Drake has:
+2 missile points +Missile bonus +1 highslot +1 midslot
Ferox has a bit more powergrid, but that doesn't nearly make up the difference. -----
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Sobriquet Cognomen
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Posted - 2007.06.28 04:35:00 -
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I don't think you can tank level 4s in a ferox without faction gear. I haven't tried because my drake can do it without dropping below 50% shield.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2007.06.28 05:32:00 -
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The ferox is by no means a useless ship or a bad ship.
These days, however, it has been eclipsed by the drake for two simple reasons.
#1 The drake performs much better in missions and can, even post-downgrade, tank many L4 missions.
#2 The drake has managed to **** off a lot of pirates/gankers by dint of the fact that when you completely passively tank it then hitting it with vampires does nothing, and if it's a complete passive tank they won't get much grid from you at all as well.
The ferox can do both of those but nowhere near as well. With my skills and implants the ferox, at best, can regen roughly 150 hp/sec at peak regen. My drake can do 200-210.
The drake is, however, a good learning ship as it lets you use rails and missiles and figure out which you like better and it's cheap enough that losing one won't kill you.
Also, based on what I've heard over the 11 months that I've been playing guns are usually better for PvP than missiles and that might help the ferox come close to breaking even in the PvP arena.
And you can always hope that the Devs will someday fix defender missiles so that slapping a pair of rocket launchers with defenders on a ferox might actually become a good thing instead of just really dumb.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.28 06:05:00 -
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The Ferox is a great ship to "learn" on flying a BC because it is very cheap and a lot tougher than a cruiser for mission running. Its missile setup allows you to use heavy missiles well, even if it gets no bonuses, so you can be very effective on level 2-3 missions immediately.
Once you decide you can tolerate how slow and sluggish a Caldari BC is then you buy a Drake and the Ferox gets loaned to new corp-mates deciding whether to buy a BC; you will never fly it again as the drake completely exceeds its capabilities in every way
PS - Rails suck on missions. You won't hit those pesky frigates sitting 2 km away from you and without damage bonuses you can't drop the cruisers/BCs in level 3s fast enough. Range bonuses mean nothing in missions as most of them drop you right in the middle of the enemy and you can't dictate range. You wind up relying more on your drones against smaller ships than your guns. You are better to just fit a strong passive tank and use heavy missile racks, with maybe 2 rails to fill out the highs, especially since the Rox doesn't have enough grid to mount a full rack of 250mm guns unless you have very high skills <-----------> Factional Warfare:
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KD.Fluffy
The Refugees
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Posted - 2007.06.28 06:26:00 -
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Quote: No, but if you fit turrets to a ferox, you're likely to just get laughed at.
Quite the contrary, if you fit missles to a ferox your going to get laughed at. The only thing its good at is an anti tackler sniper. It can pretty effectivly make inties and dictors attempting a tackle to warp off on approach, but thats about it.
Also, rail ferox can effectivly pve, I used to do it all the time before the drake came out. range bonuses are GREAT for missions, I daresay a rail ferox can easily compete with a rail brutix for missions, though is no match for the drake.
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Zhaymus Hockhold
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Quote: No, but if you fit turrets to a ferox, you're likely to just get laughed at.
Quite the contrary, if you fit missles to a ferox your going to get laughed at. The only thing its good at is an anti tackler sniper. It can pretty effectivly make inties and dictors attempting a tackle to warp off on approach, but thats about it.
Also, rail ferox can effectivly pve, I used to do it all the time before the drake came out. range bonuses are GREAT for missions, I daresay a rail ferox can easily compete with a rail brutix for missions, though is no match for the drake.
QFT. A missile loaded ferox is just a failed drake, yet a decent mission runner. A Railox however with little tank, mag stabs, and and a gang mod in the highs = fleetacular
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Rinaldo Titano
Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.28 08:05:00 -
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i dont think that ferox is so bad. It can put out around 400dps with weapons(without drones) and have decent tank. A HAM fitted drake can make just around 480dps(dont count kinetik extra damage, because u would just in very few cases use kin). So in gang could be used good as cheap damage dealer http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9741/rinaldo2ir8.jpg |
Seamus O'Malley
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.28 10:34:00 -
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Cheap sniper if fitted with T2 meds.
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:35:00 -
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Put yourself out of misery if you want a BC with turrets.
Train gallente cruiser 3, jump in a brutix and laugh at ferox pilots who have 2 less turret slots than you and barely more than half your dps.
Otherwise, buy a drake.
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Neferidian
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:43:00 -
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bah, i much perfered my rail ferox for level3 missions , although i wouldnt do level 4.
the key is how you use it.
with a rail ferox all you gota do is , fly away from the enemy soon as you get in with an AB turned on.
target the frigs first, yes first, and with a bit of range they insta pop in one or 2 vollys.
on the + side as well , with the range comes the fact most npc's cant hit you,.
my current level 3 running ship when im not in 0.0 is now a t2 rail ferox :)
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Rinaldo Titano
Caldari Domus Fatalis FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Chrysalis D'lilth Put yourself out of misery if you want a BC with turrets.
Train gallente cruiser 3, jump in a brutix and laugh at ferox pilots who have 2 less turret slots than you and barely more than half your dps.
Otherwise, buy a drake.
The brutix is a very very good BC, but dont tell things what not true. If u fit the brutix on max skills(BC 5 and all gunnery 5) with 1 damage mod(u have left just 4 slot for tanking) and with 1 damage rig u can have around 580DPS with the highest damage t2 ammo. With same skills the ferox would do over 400DPS and have better tank than a brutix(on bigger range) http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9741/rinaldo2ir8.jpg |
kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.06.28 12:32:00 -
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The ferox can do this:
Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Dual 150mm Railgun II [160xSpike M] Dual 150mm Railgun II [160xSpike M] Dual 150mm Railgun II [160xSpike M] Dual 150mm Railgun II [160xSpike M] Dual 150mm Railgun II [160xSpike M]
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Command Processor I Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Which is not bad costwise.
I pew therefore I am.
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Buzzmong
5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.28 12:51:00 -
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*Sniff*
I remember when the Ferox used to be the darling of the BC class.
I'm getting old.
The ferox IS a good ship, but with turrets it's rather low damage, and...lots of people who fly it havn't learned to use turrets correctly due to it being a caldari vessel and they've gone down the missile route.
Which isn't a bad thing except that it's a quite a poor turret vessel unless it's either full out blaster gank vessel for pvp or sniper (which can be used in pve rather effectively, but it's not an afk boat, you've got to know how to use transversal and distance properly). And then it's still not a good turret ship compaired to any other tier 1 bc.
Everyone and their mum fits it with missiles for PVE, I do when I use it, but the Drake simply eclipses it as a missile boat.
The Ferox could do with an extra turret slot imo as it's just an average boat right now, although it does passive tank nicely on the cheap. --------------------------------- Go Web! Go! |
welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.28 13:41:00 -
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5x 250mm II, 2x whatever 2x TC II, 2x sensor booster II, 1x whatever 3x MFS II, 1x pdu II/TE II
Does one thing and one thing only, kill support at range, just aswell as the Eagle. Infact, exactly the same as the Eagle.
Other than this very specific role get a Drake or a Gallente gunboat.
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.28 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Quote: No, but if you fit turrets to a ferox, you're likely to just get laughed at.
Quite the contrary, if you fit missles to a ferox your going to get laughed at. The only thing its good at is an anti tackler sniper. It can pretty effectivly make inties and dictors attempting a tackle to warp off on approach, but thats about it.
Also, rail ferox can effectivly pve, I used to do it all the time before the drake came out. range bonuses are GREAT for missions, I daresay a rail ferox can easily compete with a rail brutix for missions, though is no match for the drake.
I have a Ferox specifically built with killing inties and dictors and assault frigates in mind. It's fitted with rails, and mods to increase tracking and ROF.
Yes, it's no match for a Drake, or for a ship heavier than it is, but it rips up smaller ships without having to use a webber. ------------------
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Depp Knight
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:08:00 -
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Depends on your sp, the drake is really nice though, never flown one but I hate fighting against one. Good dmg Awesome tank that provides you to do little. Infact its a easy ship to fly. Ferox is not a small gang ship, its tank is above avg and its a fairly cheap ship as well. Thing is a t1 ferox isnt very good at all when it comes to pvp. Once you can use t2 guns. You can snipe at 150km + and thats when the ferox is better than the drake.
Infact if you fly caladri and want to fly the cerb may as well fly the drake. It has a far more superior tank and does more dmg. Downside, slower and less range. Who cares, your a missile ship that can tank like not many ships can.
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Igualmentedos
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Posted - 2007.06.28 15:16:00 -
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The ferox sucks. Period. Compare it to any other tier 1 bc and you start to see why.
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.28 15:53:00 -
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When fitted with T2 250mm rails, the Ferox is the best non-BS fleet ship available. Dirt cheap, decent tank, and can hit out to 150km. The damage is kinda meh(a 6th turret would do wonders), but its sufficient to deal with frigs/cruiser and adds up over time.
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Ashturi Nagano
Mantigen Quanta Ultio Animi Causa
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Posted - 2007.06.28 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Neferidian bah, i much perfered my rail ferox for level3 missions , although i wouldnt do level 4.
the key is how you use it.
with a rail ferox all you gota do is , fly away from the enemy soon as you get in with an AB turned on.
target the frigs first, yes first, and with a bit of range they insta pop in one or 2 vollys.
on the + side as well , with the range comes the fact most npc's cant hit you,.
my current level 3 running ship when im not in 0.0 is now a t2 rail ferox :)
I haven't trained for BC, but I've wondered why you couldn't just put a couple of standard missile launchers on those two non-turret spots to deal with the close-in frigs.
And why is anyone using a BC for Lvl 3 when you can easily do them in cruisers? It takes a LITTLE longer, but not enormously. I use my Caracal for Level 3s, and there's only been one mission I couldn't do because I didn't have enough tank...and that was Rogue Slave Trader Pt. 2.
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ImmortaL ZoorZ
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:14:00 -
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its **** buy a drake |
Shereza
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:37:00 -
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You really should use assault launchers over standard launchers for anti-frigate work. They cost a bit more in terms of fitting and cash but the ferox can easily support that and they do more DPS.
While I have yet to fly a prophecy or a cyclone (I'll be playing around with them sooner or later) the fact that one of the prophecy's bonuses is just to reduce laser cap cost and that the cyclone's tank bonus is just an HP repair booster I don't really like either ship. The fact that they're both ugly doesn't help matters either.
I did try a brutix once and it wasn't as good for me as the ferox was. Probably because it's not as starter-friendly and requires more training to properly fly than the ferox.
Bottom line is some people love the drake, some people hate it, and the rest simply don't care. Buy one, fly one, see which person you are. 20m is such a small drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things that it's a worthwhile investment.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:55:00 -
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There really isn't a point to the Ferox. It's outdone as a hybrid boat by the Brutix and as a missile boat by the Drake. ----------------
Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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