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Kvarium Ki
legion of qui Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 01:45:00 -
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I agree 100%. Sovereignty and Cap ships have not had a positive effect on the game. POSs aren't bad but they should only be for moon mining and production, that's it.
KK.
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.23 01:45:00 -
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I don't really agree with you, Ugluuk. Instead of "soloing" all you really need to do is take a covops one jump ahead of you. You won't get ganked, unexpectedly jump into a large bubble, and you can scan down the people that try and log on you (you'd be amazed how many will log with a single covops shooting at them). It's not quite what it was once was, but it's still perfectly viable. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes. Also, don't troll by using another alliance's logo. -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Wolf Pack Enterprises E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.23 01:54:00 -
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Been playing for a while, only got into pvp in the last year, not seriously, not full time. I'm still a production character but you can only research so many bpo's and set production orders before it gets a bit tedious.
Really wish I had experienced the "old fashioned" pvp of yesteryear before the gatecamping and dictors. Ganking miners has always happened in low sec 0.0 so that's not really new, bringing in a cap fleet to do it is probably NOT a cost effective way, but far be it for me to tell how other people should enjoy the game.
What could happen is along the lines of Privateers, but without the alliance. A group of corps sign into an agreement to pay for the war decs on the rest of the "League" table. Probably will be expensive with the war dec repricing but as there's limited 0.0 to choose from these days it's possibly the easiest way for people who want to log in and have pvp fun to do just that. Sure the corps will have to fund themselves and eventually cough up the war dec fee during their "Week", but it sounds like fun and a way to get the "old" days back.
Life is about memories the more the better. End Slavery. |
Jae Nefarious
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Agent2 Holtze Edited by: Agent2 Holtze on 22/06/2007 23:50:04 I miss the old days.
Eve have become a chat program for me.
And i'm 100% agreeing with you ugluuk.
same here, the one good thing about eve that keeps me playing are the old friends i made back in the days that are still around
He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
-Luke 22:36
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Entilzah Valen
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.23 02:12:00 -
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I agree. However, this is Oveur's game in the end.
If I would have known that EVE would have taken this direction in the end I probably wouldn't have started playing.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.23 02:14:00 -
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I think I agree with Ugluuk too.
EVE has gone from a game where one can have fun solo or in small groups to a game where one is totally useless outside a vast blob.
We now have fleets of dreadnoughts larger than the battleship fleets of two years ago.
And its only going to get worse.
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Divus
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.23 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: Divus on 23/06/2007 02:33:08
im only playing since 2 years so i lack of the experiance of the game-play u got in the earlyer days - but never the less ugluuk, u sound a bit like my grandma -------------------------------------------------
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MehTheTrader
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.23 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: MehTheTrader on 23/06/2007 03:36:10 Take away local in 0.0. PHEAR ME!!
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Arrgs
Retribution Corp.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 03:57:00 -
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No, take me back to cycle jamming and 8 heat sink geddon days. My first video!
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Vulor
Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.06.23 12:04:00 -
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I'm not some old guy with quadrillion SP like the OP, but I've been around for almost two years now and I don't like how this game is changing.
I'm still playing this game because there isn't anything better out there, but I'm not enjoying it as much as I used to. -- No sig today! |
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Dray
Caldari Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 12:11:00 -
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I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Ugluuk is saying but its important to remind yourself that its easy to remember the good and forget the bad, the old days weren't all good, it was easier to get kills back in the day because people weren't as sharp as they are now, hell all I flew was a kestrel and when I first fitted my merlin for pvp I got annoyed because the ammo wouldn't load, turned out that projectile ammo and hybrids don't mix
Either way theres a lot more people playing now than ever, logging in to a whopping 4k online was a busy Sunday for most, but Eve has grown and now more than ever new players who can stick with eve, and get up that hideous sheer cliff face that is the learning curve, have plenty of people willing to give advice and help out. This more than ever means that the criminally stupid aren't very common, still enough around to get a laugh but overall players are getting solid advice on how to fly and getting the experience as they go.
The point is that maybe without the capitals and POS direction that eve has taken maybe the game would've evolved differently and lost players, we'll never know, but what it has allowed is to give the big alliance players a chance to achieve something tangible and give them something to fight for.
I'm not an alliance man, haven't been for some time now, but I can see the appeal for people there, its just not how like to play the game, just like Ugluuk.
On the positive side Eve has done things that other games cant replicate, ASCN's outpost, their titan, the ISS outpost program, these things and more are what sets Eve apart, personally I had no part in these events but I appreciate what they were with regards to CCP's vision for their game and are unique standout moments in the continuing evolution of mmorpg's.
Ultimately though these aren't the reasons I play the game, as I've said in a different post eve is changing and whether its taking a path I want to tread I can't say but at the moment it looks like it isn't so I'm not to sure I will be playing this time next year hopefully there will be something to keep me playing, I've been around a long time, beta and live, and I've invested a lot of time in the game to just stop and walk away but I feel that the moment I do walk away is closer than I'd like to admit.
..and no you cant have my stuff
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balrog
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 12:36:00 -
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Bring back castor =)))
I feel your pain Ugluuk. Reason i stil play is m8`s and the fact i already invested so much in this game.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.23 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: welsh wizard on 23/06/2007 12:44:23 Again it pretty much all boils down to the isk being practically worthless. A great percentage of pilots are uber rich and piloting capital ships. The risk versus reward factor that made Eve so enjoyable to play is quite diluted in comparison to the game 2 years+ ago as a result.
I have another discussion going on a somewhat related subject: Linkage
Go ahead and voice your opinion, off to work then!
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Scordaf
Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 12:45:00 -
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Quote: NOW LETS GO 1-2 YEARS BACK!
Nice post Ugluuk. You didn't even mention once about your mastery of logoffski when things aren't going your way, which CCP also nerfed (but not hard enough). It was a lot easier to logoffski 1-2 years ago, I bet.
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Asylum Seaker
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.23 12:53:00 -
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Solo and small skirmish PVP is fun, and all I really want out of the game. However I find it hard to hate the scale of war in this game, taking territory and capitals and all the logistics and such into account. I don't think anything else comes close in the mmo world. Its awesome.
The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
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Harkan Ramientes
Aquilae Stellaris Ion Core
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Posted - 2007.06.23 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ugluuk The Eve community is known to play the most advanced pvp game available today.. PVP is the most attracting thing with Eve and has caught the attention of thousands of people who wanted more than just the chop chop die dwarf pvp of Warcraft and other wannabe online games..
The game is about tactics just as much as it is about skills.. This was the game where 4mill skillpoints could beat 15mill skillpoints if the pilot had his head put on the right way that day../cut/
signed, completely
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Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:09:00 -
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0.0 pvp / roaming / soloing is pretty much dead, you still have the 3 man elite groups from time to time running arround, but appart from that its dead.
so, i say eve did not change for the better for me, hell even when i was still a carebear i liked stradivarious, 0virtu0 and degrand etc running in their vaga arround scaring/killing me. not because i admired em, but because they kept me awake, and i needed "skills" to avoid em.
however ugluuk, i ask you. you have been in privateers; was empire pvp better? i am currently a lowsec pirate, and even though the pvp here is not uberwtfpwn either, it comes close to how 0.0 was 2 years ago, except for decent rewards. its mainly ganking the carebears, but if you get a fight its usually a good one. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |
Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Soulita on 23/06/2007 13:15:48 I agree with Ugluuk.
Cap ships are no good for EVE.
Could list a lot of reasons why, like Ugluuk did, but I am just too tired and I see no use.
I am not playing much anymore since I doubt CCP will do much about the cap plague. And there is a lot of other things that killed a lot of my fun playing EVE... I guess I will wait and see how it goes.
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MortyM
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:23:00 -
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Can I have your stuff ? ^^
As for me, I'm have exactly as much fun ingame as I had 2, 3 or even 4 years ago, probably even more.
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Soulita
Gallente Inner Core
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Soulita on 23/06/2007 13:27:02 nvm, good to see someone is having fun.
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SasRipper
DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: MortyM
As for me, I'm have exactly as much fun ingame as I had 2, 3 or even 4 years ago, probably even more.
you are in blob need i say more
and ug your 100% right I demand an exodus roll back & ban all those new folk they all suck anyway
*snip* Sas has spoken this tread shall be locked. |
ArmyOfMe
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:54:00 -
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/signed I miss the days when solo and small gang pvp was possible without being jumped by carriers all the damn time
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IonHammer
Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:12:00 -
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still think the worst day in my eve life was when we lost cruise missiles on rifters, kessies and crows. And lost one of the best low cost combo's out there the BB and caracal. No jam jam no torp torp.
If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith |
Ugluuk
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Scordaf
Quote: NOW LETS GO 1-2 YEARS BACK!
Nice post Ugluuk. You didn't even mention once about your mastery of logoffski when things aren't going your way, which CCP also nerfed (but not hard enough). It was a lot easier to logoffski 1-2 years ago, I bet.
Here we got an example of what Eve is nowadays..
Hydra is a bunch of pvp beginners who would not survive without capital ships.. They are good to form up gangs fast and always show up with 3-10 times our number and deserve respect for showing up..
But when found alone they tend to use dirty tricks like logging their drakes in combat when a small ship catches them.. They cloak and log off if they jump into a camp..
We dont care and live with it..
We respect them for what they are good at and dont harras them for what some of their members do..
But i have to live with comments like this from Scordaf and Hydra in every post i make or kill i get
I have had 3 episodes with Hydra that resulted in them coming in to my posts like this..
1.An Astarte sat outside 4-4 in Jita..i took my brutix, undocked and attacked him..I died and later the day i got taunted in local as a jita camping noob while they sat at pos in 0.0..
2.My no tanked double bcu,gyro tempest attacked a hydra BS infront of sentry guns as they usually have tech1 fittings.. After first volley i crashed.. Logged in to a 15 minute harasment in local about the logoffski tactic i used..
3.4 of us suiciding in 3 cruisers and Bc vs 30-40 Hydra.. After we killed 4 of them i crashed inside the dictor bubble with what would been our kill number 5 going down.. The Wolf survived in structure and i got lots of mails about being a logoffski chicken without balls..
This is where you see the differences between pvp pilots and carebears..
I crashed in a fight with Omniscient Order and lost my ship but the pod survived.. They had ceptors so when i logged back in to give them what was theirs, the pod kill they said sorry for killing me when it was so obvious that i crashed and also let me keep the pod..
If you meet the old school guys they respect you enough to enjoy the good fight you gave them..
But those who know that isk is more power than skillpoints laugh at you for dying in 4 vs 30 even if the end result was 4-4 in kills..
With capitals we lost the gentlemen way of playing Eve..And i hate it..
http://privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=Ugluuk |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:27:00 -
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The death of the BS as the core of a fleet is the thing I find saddest. The BS should have always been the fleet staple, not Cap ships.
I hope CCP see that too, and try and do something about it. Not sure they will though. --------
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Ugluuk
Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani
however ugluuk, i ask you. you have been in privateers; was empire pvp better?
PVP in empire was like going 2 years back..
I loved it so much i sometimes played from i came home from work and until i began at work the next day..
Nothing bigger to fight than tier 3 bs No yellow dot on the map showing where your camp was No crying for help to napped alliances to help out The suprise moment when you jump in and see a red dot in local..
It took the carebears 4 months to close down the Privateers..
Lets see how long it takes pvp`ers to get CCP to change the cloaks so carebears cant cloak their battleships once a hostile jumps in..
http://privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=Ugluuk |
Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ugluuk
Lets see how long it takes pvp`ers to get CCP to change the cloaks so carebears cant cloak their battleships once a hostile jumps in..
i dont think that the (only) problem tbh, but the problem itselve is difficult to describe. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |
End Yourself
Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:44:00 -
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Never seen a thread i would agree with 90% of the posters in CAOD before.
Eve has become all about (grinding) ISK. ISK to afford toys that aren't fun to fight in and i don't get why ANYONE would like that fact. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 23/06/2007 14:56:31 The problem I have with small scale combat is nowadays that you are not only likely to get blobbed or confronted with a bunch of carriers, but also that you can't really change much. It has really no big impact, if you win or lose a non-capital fight here and there. Not really motivating. Roaming around in a gang, ganking, without achieving much, gets old fast. Although it's not as boring as gate camping.
So maybe for me, some big capital combat would be more suitable now, because the outcome just matters more, but well, my experience with blobs is currently: 20 carriers, masses of fighters and my PC stands still. Not really fun. Besides that I hate to care about poses that come out of reinforcement. If I need to recharge poses a few days in a row, I feel abused/tortured. It kills my will to live ... in EVE.
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Wulfgard
Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:06:00 -
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CPP, read this thread and take note
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