I'm not sure what you plan on achieving with those setups.
You're certainly not going to kill larger ships, never mind small ones, considering you have no range control, and you're still extremely vulnerable to neuts. At any rate, the Ishkur & the Harpy are the only ones that get any tank boost worth mentioning, and neither of them are greater than what can already be done on TQ by their counterparts.

Can the Enyo already field that tank on TQ? Yes. Is it going to cost you a mid? Also yes.
Is that Enyo fit of yours any more practical than what I just mentioned above? No.

The Hawk fit you've just posted is only slightly more than what a single medium booster can do, and is still less than what the Hawk can do on TQ right now. Congratulations for missing the point entirely.

What you've done here is put together some very useless frigates that can't kill anything but the most oblivious players.

And no, I'm really not wrong about the tackle.
You're proposed *intercepting* Assault frigates are worse than Interceptors in every capacity. They sacrifice everything that makes then an Assault Frigate in order to become a 3rd-rate Interceptor clone. Nothing beats the Interceptor for tackling. If you want to go ahead and fit up some horribly gimped AF to do the role of a ship that's not only half the cost, but more effective, you go right ahead. But don't try to pass it off as something that's broken, that's just ignorant.

So pat yourself on the back Proxyyy, you truly are the village idiot.

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I think a nice tweak for these would be in the FW environments. Perhaps not allowing AFs in some frig plexes, reserving that ability for the lesser ships.
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I hate to break it to you, but escaping a dual neut cane has more to do with said cane being bad, rather than some expert piloting by you.

I'll make sure I pass the message on that you've no idea what you're talking about.

You need to realize that you are not the only ones who play the game.

You can look at my ticker and put me off as another Goon, but that doesn't change how my friends and I play the game.

I think it's you who needs to wake up and look at what game you're playing.

I don't want to have to pull the smug elite-pvp card, but you don't seem to understand much more than braggadocio.

Wow, if you were trying to use those as FRIGATE combaters, you've got other problems.

Go try them out before you post some more nonsense .

I can understand your concern with players who have a lower skill level, but the fact of the matter is that everyone is skilling up constantly.

Any arguments against the changes are founded in hyperbole and powered by fear-mongering.

You've got a pretty misguided and perhaps a bit biased view of the changes.

The fewe Low-Sec players are unhappy because they are stubborn, and/or haven't been testing.

It's hard to believe someone can be so obtuse.

It's a double-edged sword. I'm not saying everyone is bad, but you have to work with the assumption.

It's not personal or anything, I'm just telling it how it is

Well, provided that a Hawk is not using a tracking disruptor: rail-Ishkur, rail-Enyo, Retribution, Vengeance (javelin), Hawk, rail-Harpy (which also does dual stasis webifier). Not including other frigates that can also do the same.

Against a Tracking disrupting Hawk. Any rail assault frigate with Spike ammunition (which can definitely track a frigate @ that range). Assault frigates that use missiles and drones.

Sad that you even ask...


-proxyyyy

This. Please, give 7.5% tracking bonus to retribution. There is no ship in EVE which have 5% tracking bonus. 7.5% is a standard increase.

I'm not trying to defend myself as much as I'm trying to correct your flawed views.

You've yet to answer the question.

Are you proud of the way you act?

Bonuses need not be standardized. The retribution was already pretty ridiculous as an AF; its only downside was the inability to fit a point, and now this downside no longer exists...And it has more tank.

You've yet to answer the question.
Are you proud of the way you act?

Bonuses need not be standardized. The retribution was already pretty ridiculous as an AF; its only downside was the inability to fit a point, and now this downside no longer exists...And it has more tank.

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Could you please enlighten us which AF has its damage projection so good that can deal with said double web Hawk setup with ease, Einstein?

considerung the tracking of lasers in general, there is no reason it should not get the usual 7.5% bonus. I bet no one will fit a point but a web to be able track targets that get too close and most will count on mates or targets stupidity to hold them in place :)

nevertheless, in my opinion the new enyo received the biggest boost and is a powerhouse with the changes. you can hold the target in range, deal crapload of dmg and survive alot of beating. the extra mid on the hawk is also not to be scoffed at. both the enyo and the hawk are clear winners of the changes.

All considered, the Retribution needs some extra damage more than it needs the extra tracking.

Because unless it suddenly gets a third mid, it's never going to be a good solo ship. Even with 7.5% tracking bonus. Cap hungry weapons, mediocre dps and lack of web are just too crippling for that. In a gang you'll most likely have someone else webbing and with that extra damage is more useful.

'cap hungry weapons' don't mean a thing when you have insane amounts of base cap. A retribution is cap stable with dual light pulses and MWD running.

'cap hungry weapons' don't mean a thing when you have insane amounts of base cap. A retribution is cap stable with dual light pulses and MWD running.