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XFreedomX
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Posted - 2007.06.19 04:57:00 -
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Picture this.....
Big mining OP with ECM and Escorts....
Interdictor warp in guided by Covert OP, drops warp bubble, followed by stealth bomber. Nothing you can do but watch the haulers go bye bye.
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Masterette
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: Masterette on 19/06/2007 05:08:10 yay?
seriously, if you don't send your miners to ss with reds in local, you deserve to get 'exploded'.
there ya go.
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XFreedomX
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:15:00 -
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I was just pointing out a fact. Hmm... how about high sec suicide run... when does the agro timer start?
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Jurgen Cartis
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:19:00 -
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Bombs are nullsec only. No highsec suicide runs. Otherwise 4-4 CNAP would be pretty much constant bombs at the undock ramp.
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:26:00 -
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yeah sorry
this is like when someone said that warp bubbles were broken because people would place them in jita where attacking them would case concord to atack you
That person was really angry
but, it may sound sstrange, CCP playes eve, and mines too :) they wouldn't do something so horrible to high sec
now as far as 0.0? people are A joles
have you own SB make sure your miners are aligned with a station and when you see him enter warp, it takes.. 10 secs for a bomb?
should be a waste of bombs :)
now seeing as a raven can be 5 shotted and webbed by a rifter
I don't think the rifter will mind dying :)
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XFreedomX
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:27:00 -
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But you can bomb the undock ramp in 0.0? Interesting :)
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XFreedomX
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon yeah sorry
this is like when someone said that warp bubbles were broken because people would place them in jita where attacking them would case concord to atack you
That person was really angry
but, it may sound sstrange, CCP playes eve, and mines too :) they wouldn't do something so horrible to high sec
now as far as 0.0? people are A joles
have you own SB make sure your miners are aligned with a station and when you see him enter warp, it takes.. 10 secs for a bomb?
should be a waste of bombs :)
now seeing as a raven can be 5 shotted and webbed by a rifter
I don't think the rifter will mind dying :)
Think I mention a dictor bubble being droped first. Don't think mining barge can get out that fast.
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Anastasiya Makalov
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:34:00 -
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If you live in 0.0, then you should know that it's generally a good idea to have a scout in nearby systems to tell you if enemies are coming when you have a large mining op going on.
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: XFreedomX
Originally by: MotherMoon yeah sorry
this is like when someone said that warp bubbles were broken because people would place them in jita where attacking them would case concord to atack you
That person was really angry
but, it may sound sstrange, CCP playes eve, and mines too :) they wouldn't do something so horrible to high sec
now as far as 0.0? people are A joles
have you own SB make sure your miners are aligned with a station and when you see him enter warp, it takes.. 10 secs for a bomb?
should be a waste of bombs :)
now seeing as a raven can be 5 shotted and webbed by a rifter
I don't think the rifter will mind dying :)
Think I mention a dictor bubble being droped first. Don't think mining barge can get out that fast.
If they're all bubbled, it's not like they would fare any better against something other than a bomber
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XFreedomX
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:45:00 -
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Point is, Stealth Bomber re-vamp is intended as Anti-Blob but the side effect is now it is more dangerous for miners. Where as pre-patch a couple of hostile is not much of a threat against a well armed mining op (Lots of ECM Jamer to protect), now 3-4 frigs can take out your entire mining fleet reguardless of how many combat ships you have. Expecting miners to be on their toes to warp out at a moments notice... well, they are miners for a reason.
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Sandra Cat
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: XFreedomX Picture this.....
Big mining OP with ECM and Escorts....
Interdictor warp in guided by Covert OP, drops warp bubble, followed by stealth bomber. Nothing you can do but watch the haulers go bye bye.
obviously your not living in 0.0 (and this is the only place where bombs & dictor bubbles work) cause everyone who lives there knows that (in special when mining) you should be aligned and ready to warp as soon as there are reports of roaming gangs in the area, and that you get your bloody miningship to safety as soon as there is one not-blue in local.
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XFreedomX
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Cat
Originally by: XFreedomX Picture this.....
Big mining OP with ECM and Escorts....
Interdictor warp in guided by Covert OP, drops warp bubble, followed by stealth bomber. Nothing you can do but watch the haulers go bye bye.
obviously your not living in 0.0 (and this is the only place where bombs & dictor bubbles work) cause everyone who lives there knows that (in special when mining) you should be aligned and ready to warp as soon as there are reports of roaming gangs in the area, and that you get your bloody miningship to safety as soon as there is one not-blue in local.
No need to get personel now. What you should do and what is done in mining ops are two different matter. To let one covertop shut down your operation means you will never mine at all.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:20:00 -
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If you keep on mining while you have covert ops AND a dictor in a system (that's already 2 red/neutral thingies on your LOCAL window)... you deserve to lose all your ships.
It has nothing to do with stealth bombers, so stop whining. Using your logic, Titans brought end to mining too, because covops could uncloak, open cyno, Titan jumps in and DDs your whole mining op.
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XFreedomX
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex If you keep on mining while you have covert ops AND a dictor in a system (that's already 2 red/neutral thingies on your LOCAL window)... you deserve to lose all your ships.
It has nothing to do with stealth bombers, so stop whining. Using your logic, Titans brought end to mining too, because covops could uncloak, open cyno, Titan jumps in and DDs your whole mining op.
Wow, not much love for carebear in EVE
One, I am not whining. Just pointing out the facts. No were did I mention that stealth bombers be nerfed so chill. Training for them myself. Two, You are not suggesting that Titans are used to bust up mining op... LOL! Three, 0.0 include NPC space also where their are regularly hostile or neutral in system. Not to mention log on tricks, spies etc...
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MasterDecoy
Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:59:00 -
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freedom, if you are looking so hard for a way to show that bombs are overpowered, at least get your facts right: - null-sec only so your high-sec mining binges are quite safe
- 15 second delay to explosion if you're aligned, shouldn't be a problem
- keep local opened and watch for hostile standard procedure in null-sec anyways, red enters local, warp.
- have scouts in adjacent system again, standard procedure in null-sec, see above.
saying that bombs make mining op more dangerous, to me, means you haven't had that much experience mining in the only place bombs will work - null-sec.
relax, bombs are the least of your concerned when mining...
Originally by: Lavinrac Krad Quit comparing Eve to the John Holmes of MMORPGs
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Gee Lok
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: XFreedomX ...You are not suggesting that Titans are used to bust up mining op... LOL!
I think he was implying that a lot of people were panicing about doomsdays breaking up mining ops, but it never happened.
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Lagar
Caldari Core Domination
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:36:00 -
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if the bombs realy are about 20M per bomb someone realy must want to waste isk to kill someonT..
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Mannakin
Caldari Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:07:00 -
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Personnally I always haul minerals on 0.0 mining ops using a T2 hauler as it can collect a whole can at a time and not worry about a triple BS spawn when doing it.
I know my Mastodon would laugh off a bomb as it has HAC resists and 7500+ shields.
Ok, you do see some mining ops with T1 haulers but its not something I'm going to lose much sleep over.
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n0thing
omen. D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:21:00 -
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Problem is easily solved. If you run a big mining op in no-sec, its a must to have 1 scout in the pipe leading to hostile regions/empire. Even a cov ops cant cloak fast enough if you hit scan button as soon as he jumps. The gate in the system itself, should be bubbled and have a dictor+insta lock recon on it. Any SB that will dare to jump in will end up one-shotted by huggin or arazu. ---
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Schneiderr
Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:13:00 -
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mining is sooo 2005
to say at least a little bit on topic, bombers wont change the way of zero.zero mining i guess
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:24:00 -
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What about shooting the bombs? Have your anti-bomb squad ready : interceptors or AS fitted for mid range (bomb range) with a sensor booster. A bomb shows, you shoot it.
Or a smartbomb BS, and everything goes fine, just you must have 2 types of smartbomb damage to be sure to break every type of bomb. The smartbomb BS can also pop the bomber with some luck :p Just like the inty and AS will lock the SB and be their doom.
I don't see it as an increased threat to miners. I think a group of SB uncloaking at 60 km and dropping a pack of cruises to the barges or haulers was a bigger threat, and they did not have too much risk, they could warp out. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Happy owner of a Vexor Navy Issue and few ishkurs. The Vexor Navy Issue is much more fun than the Myrmidon ! |
Shigawahhhhh
Caldari Metalworks
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:51:00 -
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I'm sure there will be a couple of instances of this happening but I don't think it makes lowsec mining any more dangerous overall. Also bare in my up until rev II if they really wanted to kill your mining op. Covert ops warps in opens a cyno and the titan could put its DD through the cyno without coming through.
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:55:00 -
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You miners are truely paranoid.
I pew therefore I am.
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Donathan Slade
Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:02:00 -
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And how much in minerals do mines cost again? I heard it was 10+ EACH...
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Chi Quan
Jade Phoenix Deutschland Event-Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:21:00 -
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fyi:
anti bomb squad: last time i checked, you couldnt lock on a bomb, hence no "shooting" it down; some bs with smarbombs, you would have to place the ship right in the middle of your mining guys, quite stupid because even if it acctually manges to kill the bomb, it takes the miners down with it.
if a dictor warps in before the bomber, a simple webber makes the bomber go down when it drops the bomb as it cant warp out. the other way round may give you some time to react.
even without bombs a bomber can take down your miner using cruise missiles.
i conclude: the only safe way would be to have someone constantly remote repping your miners. -- Tempus fugit -- |
Neuromandis
Novastorm Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:53:00 -
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WTF.
If you are bubbled, bombs are the most expensive way to kill you i'd say. It's not like you could fare any better against something else...
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IHaveTenFingers
Caldari ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2007.06.19 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: IHaveTenFingers on 19/06/2007 16:06:46 Mabye its a tactic to stop those annoying mining blobs too? Mabye spread the miners out and adjust your defense accordingly. Also, keep in mind that bombs have a 400m signature radius, and theres no way that could kill a deep space transport in 1 hit (because you dont use tech I haulers in 0.0 mmk?) and if your barges get killed, onoes, build more. Exhumers can also take the hit from a bomb and brush it off.
But seriously, mining with neutral(s) / red(s) in local is just silly. ------------------------------------
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 19/06/2007 16:08:45 Keep a ship with smartbombs nearby, close to the miners.
If you dont want to use smartbombs just spread your miners out so that they can only kill one at a time, make sure they dont get financial gain from this (at 20mill a bomb this should not be hard).
Whenever new things are introduced new counters must also be created, smartbombs are the only weapons that can kill bombs which gives them a practical use now. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
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Chi Quan
Jade Phoenix Deutschland Event-Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.23 10:54:00 -
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smartbombs are nonsense, you either take down the miners as well or can not prevent the bombing. the bomb's aoe is much larger than that of the smartbomb, the bomber can just sneak to a point where your smarts won't touch it. -- Tempus fugit -- |
Ryo Jang
Central Defiance Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.24 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: XFreedomX
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex If you keep on mining while you have covert ops AND a dictor in a system (that's already 2 red/neutral thingies on your LOCAL window)... you deserve to lose all your ships.
It has nothing to do with stealth bombers, so stop whining. Using your logic, Titans brought end to mining too, because covops could uncloak, open cyno, Titan jumps in and DDs your whole mining op.
Wow, not much love for carebear in EVE
One, I am not whining. Just pointing out the facts. No were did I mention that stealth bombers be nerfed so chill. Training for them myself. Two, You are not suggesting that Titans are used to bust up mining op... LOL! Three, 0.0 include NPC space also where their are regularly hostile or neutral in system. Not to mention log on tricks, spies etc...
hes completely right. if hostiles enter your mining op system and you keep mining, its your own fault. the other fact is, 1 bomb currently costs 30mil+, and i doubt anyone will use over 100mil to destroy some mining barges.
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