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damo atso
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Posted - 2007.06.18 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: damo atso on 18/06/2007 10:51:35 Edited by: damo atso on 18/06/2007 10:50:35 Edited by: damo atso on 18/06/2007 10:50:25 im almost a month old now and can now pilot battleships. Iv just bought a raven but havin second thoughts after readin some of these topics. Which is the best pvp caldari battleship (or other ships around that skill range). also i mite start another character so what is the best overall pvp battleship? lol i really should have read the topics just like this one on the next page
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:03:00 -
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If you're a month old, you:
a/ ought not be in a Battleship b/ ought not be thinking about PvP in a Battleship
to be honest, sorry. ---
Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:04:00 -
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1 month old is way to early to pvp in a BS Since you are caldari you can do missions in one, but thats it.
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:09:00 -
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Raven
6x Heavy missile launchers/assault launchers 2x heavy nos
1x MWD, Web, scram, 2x sensor boster injector
1x LAR, 1x EANM, 3x active harderners
1 month is plenty.
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:15:00 -
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I'm really starting to think I'm the only person in EVE that waited to use a BS for PVP till i actually had some skills to use it. I started out PVP with a brutix, then moved to an ishtar wich I flew for prolly 7-8 months before going with a BS. I did buy a BS earlier but never really tried using it other than as a hangar decor. That's with the fact that I did atleast have Large Hybrids at LVL 5 and BS at LVL 5 long before I engaged in my first PVP fight.
Learning to use smaller ships... not as in frigates but more around cruiser/battlecruiser sized ships.... that's the best way to go about it. Well worth it in the end. Knowing how to fight a BS with a BC is far greater than flying a BS only to wait for the next BS to come along and kill you. -------------------------------------- ---"What's in your wallet?"--- "There are two kinds of respect, fear and admiration.... I'll take what I can get" |
Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Raven
6x Heavy missile launchers/assault launchers 2x heavy nos
1x MWD, Web, scram, 2x sensor boster injector
1x LAR, 1x EANM, 3x active harderners
1 month is plenty.
You should be shot.
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Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:24:00 -
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Oh really? And whys that?
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Lore Isander
Caldari Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Raven
6x Heavy missile launchers/assault launchers 2x heavy nos
1x MWD, Web, scram, 2x sensor boster injector
1x LAR, 1x EANM, 3x active harderners
1 month is plenty.
Try that. ---
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Scaramunga Scaramai
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lore Isander
Originally by: NoNah Raven
6x Heavy missile launchers/assault launchers 2x heavy nos
1x MWD, Web, scram, 2x sensor boster injector
1x LAR, 1x EANM, 3x active harderners
1 month is plenty.
Try that.
Yes please do try that. Then come down to Tasti and i will be glad to take it off you and ransom your pod. 1 month of playtime is nowhere NEAR enough to fly a raven properly. If you can fully fit a ship T2 then you dont have enough sp in support skills to maintain it.
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Tronjay
Caldari Horizon.Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:35:00 -
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Raven is not meant for pvp. Best caldari bs for pvp is the scorpion, but it needs loads of skills to pilot 1 decently. Fly cruiser or bc first and train supporting skills. Thats my advice and experience.
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: NoNah on 18/06/2007 11:40:01 Way to much yacking about age tbh.
A month of gametime should mean youre approaching 2 mil SP. A little less perhaps.
One of the most popular ships around today, is the curse or the pilgrim. Ever seen them fear your average raven with torps or even cruise? Doubt it. AF's, inties, interdictors are even more keen on soloing ravens.
Pick your fights and youll win quite a few fights with even the fitting I just mentioned. Wich is very very easy on the Skill points, while a tad higher on the skills.
BC's are fine, they can pack a punch and tank way to much in their current state, but they are certainly not to be trained for those who want to fly battleships, being good at the BC of your choise means nothing to the BS. cruisers are different matter however.
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Graduran Anguirill
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Raven
6x Heavy missile launchers/assault launchers 2x heavy nos
1x MWD, Web, scram, 2x sensor boster injector
1x LAR, 1x EANM, 3x active harderners
1 month is plenty.
heh, you rox man :)
What ship is that fit for btw? A drake? A domi? A.. Dromi!!? ^^
Work on that fitting again imho, there are a cpl errors with it which should be quite obvious.
To the OP, fit a drake man, excellent ship and easy on the SPs too. Dont jump into a 90mill BS and get it popped first thing, learn the small stuff first. ~~o~~ Shike from DAoC ~~o~~ |
Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:53:00 -
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You have to know that there is no tastier dish for a pirate than a noob BS pilot.
Stick to cruisers, maybe BCs, until you have 10M+ SP
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damo atso
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Posted - 2007.06.18 12:04:00 -
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lol i know im a noob so forgive yet another stupid question but......... surely having more skills cant improve your ship by that much???? and i can guess the answer to my first question already havin read the responses lol but what skills should i be learning now, i have missile operation lvl 5 hvy missile lvl4 cruiser lvl 4 battleship lvl2 drones lvl 3 shields lvl3 cant remember any other ones i thought were important cheers
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Xamini
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Posted - 2007.06.18 12:15:00 -
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train for gallente
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 12:28:00 -
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Lets flip the coin, start in Engineering and Electronics, list the skills that you have no use for?
Is shields one skill? Battleship.. 2!?
Basicly, if you want to fly a Raven, at your age, for pvp, make sure you know what youre doing, and you have the wallet to back it up. As you can see, the fit I posted has been flamed quite alot, and yet, it will be able to pop the occasional solopirate, if you choose your targets. (A cloak wouldve been an option for a highslot, if it wasnt due to the negative side effects of them, and the fact that you want to look like a 1 month old got-no-clue torp-raven pilot, or ebayer, the easy score for pirates.). Will you stand a remote chance towards any other battleship? No. Will you break the shield of any armor tanked BC? Probably not. Hac? Very very doubtful, Recon? Quite likely.
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Jadiin
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.06.18 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: damo atso lol i know im a noob so forgive yet another stupid question but......... surely having more skills cant improve your ship by that much???? and i can guess the answer to my first question already havin read the responses lol but what skills should i be learning now, i have missile operation lvl 5 hvy missile lvl4 cruiser lvl 4 battleship lvl2 drones lvl 3 shields lvl3 cant remember any other ones i thought were important cheers
If you pick other noobs in cruisers etc you'll win. Anything else with half a brain will be chuckling over your death but bemoaning the fact that you're too young to have anything worthwhile on your bs.
Never mind the fact that pvp solo in a bs is a bit iffy anyway. If you plan on belt piracy it'll take u forever to align, forever to lock your target, anything u do lock and is scared of you will outrun before u can kill it, anything that isn't scared of you I refer you to the first paragraph, it takes forever to align to jump back out in case of emergency.
If you wanna gate camp you won't have the skills to tank the sentries for long. If you're talking about 0.0 then kiss your raven goodbye every single time you take it out.
Look.... Just don't pvp in a raven. If you're caldari, grab a moa, chuck blasters on it, 2 med nos and a large shield ext and go to work.
If you're set on the raven then up your drone skills till you can use 5 T2 med scouts. Up all the shield skills, up all the energy management skills (cap is life). Up your missile skills till you can use and fit cruise including the skills that modify rate of fire, damage and range. and so on and so forth.
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Jadiin
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.06.18 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Recon? Quite likely.
Double post but what recon are you talking about? Only the minnie recons would be at risk from someone that young not that a recon pilot would get caught by a noob in a bs. Anything else would perma jam, damp him or nos his cap in 2 secs flat.
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.18 12:42:00 -
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You want a Drake. ---
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: NoNah on 18/06/2007 13:09:56 The raven got a capacitor of 5315 - base. With NO skills. The curse will drain 60 cap per second, with diminishing noses, 28 per neut, thus if it goes 3 nos 2 neuts, 92 cap per sec.
Thats a minute, then add some slight regen, and the cap boosters and nos. The Raven should be able to sustain it for two or three minutes. Probably even longer.
Yes, the setup wont deal more than 300-350 dps, probably way less with crapskills, but then again, a speedtanked curse wont tank very well.
The lach would damp it to 5km or less, however, its not that fast of a ship, its got a horrible tank, and will indeed have a hard time keeping the raven where i wants it.
The falcon will indeed jam it, however its offensive capabilities are laughable and it will be tanked for quite a while, and at the first sight of mistake from the falcons side, there would be drones and fofs everywhere.
The rapier is an issue, for sure, so guess what the plan is? Avoid it.
And the point of the setup is that your foes must kill three of your ships for every ship you kill.
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:21:00 -
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Nonah, you posted a Raven setup with Heavy Missile Launchers.
Nothing else you say can possibly credible.
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Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean Nonah, you posted a Raven setup with Heavy Missile Launchers. Nothing else you say can possibly credible.
Am I the ONLY one who remembers the "championship for Raven T2 ROCKET PvP kills" ? _ New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Raven
6x Heavy missile launchers/assault launchers 2x heavy nos
1x MWD, Web, scram, 2x sensor boster injector
1x LAR, 1x EANM, 3x active harderners
1 month is plenty.
I almost missed an exam from laughing so hard.
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean Nonah, you posted a Raven setup with Heavy Missile Launchers.
Nothing else you say can possibly credible.
Oh the ignrorance, to make it even worse, I can admit being one of those who accept projectile mallers and apocs, passive shield tanked myrmids and so on. However wrong and increadible they may be.
I said the role it fills is narrow, but I'd love to see your 300m cruises outdamage the 125m heavies, even before the multiplier of velocity of recon ships. Especially taking skills into account. Oh, and then the RoF ofc.
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TimMc
Phoenix Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean If you're a month old, you:
a/ ought not be in a Battleship b/ ought not be thinking about PvP in a Battleship
to be honest, sorry.
As someone who has lost 3 Dominix from being too young, I have to agree that at one month you are FAR too young. My char is 3 months old and I am nowhere near to a battleship, but can fly a battlecruiser exceedingly well. For just 1 month, you should probably just be using a cruiser, or maybe a battlecruiser but you might lose it.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 18/06/2007 13:48:56 Edited by: Elmicker on 18/06/2007 13:46:58
Originally by: NoNah Oh the ignrorance, to make it even worse, I can admit being one of those who accept projectile mallers and apocs, passive shield tanked myrmids and so on. However wrong and increadible they may be.
Psssive tanked myrmidons = Mission runner's wet dream on steroids. dirt cheap, extremely powerful passive tank with 5 T2 heavy drones. There's nothing wrong about it, it even has a wide role in PvP as an initial aggro tank or capital bait. Projectile fitted amarr ships also make alot of sense, once you remove the cap required for their guns, you've doubled the cap available for tank, adding nosproofing
Quote: I said the role it fills is narrow, but I'd love to see your 300m cruises outdamage the 125m heavies, even before the multiplier of velocity of recon ships. Especially taking skills into account. Oh, and then the RoF ofc.
Again, . 6 unbonused Heavy missile launchers with no damage mods will do what, 130DPS against structure? Thats at the stupendous range of 50km or so. That, for a battleship, is absolutely laughable. The recon ships you're trying to combat put out more DPs, and they're recons.
6 Cruise launchers on a correctly setup raven with 2 BCU2s will deal out at least 3-4x that amount of damage. Even after you factor in velocity and sig penalties, you're doing +50% damage on the heavies. Not to mention the increased versatility from the massively improved range, and the ability to deal a reasonable amount of damage against BS and BC-sized targets.
Anyway, velocity and signature are null in PvP, because presumably you should have support webbing and painting the target to the point you can lay into them properly.
If you want to combat cruiser-sized targets, bring out cruisers. If you want to PvP in a battleship, use battleship guns. They're called battleship guns for a reason.
Quote: Somehow I get the feeling most of the people in this thread would say you shouldnt pvp in a hauler either?
While i've seen battlebadgers take down sabres and vagabonds, you shouldnt be pvping in a hauler. If you fit for an "effective" PvP fit, you lose all hauling capability. It'd be like fitting heavy missiles to a raven.
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Oh the ignrorance, to make it even worse, I can admit being one of those who accept projectile mallers and apocs, passive shield tanked myrmids and so on. However wrong and increadible they may be. I said the role it fills is narrow, but I'd love to see your 300m cruises outdamage the 125m heavies, even before the multiplier of velocity of recon ships. Especially taking skills into account. Oh, and then the RoF ofc.
You do realize raven gets damage bonus on cruise and siege right?
This narrow role of killing stupid afk haulers in 0.0 can easily filled by a rookie ship.
For anything else try actually thinking before throwing away millions of isk.
I pew therefore I am.
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: NoNah on 18/06/2007 13:51:34 You do realize that with low skills, cruise will deal nowhere near the same damage to smaller targets? Even with BS V it wont beat them?
As for killing afk haulers in 0.0 Id probably take a cruise raven, if raven at all, however. A shieldtanked such. Not for killing smaller targets however.
Once again, this is a setup very much so similiar to the battlehauler kind.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 18/06/2007 13:58:37
Originally by: NoNah Edited by: NoNah on 18/06/2007 13:51:34 You do realize that with low skills, cruise will deal nowhere near the same damage to smaller targets? Even with BS V it wont beat them?
(aside from the fact you're mostly wrong..)
You're in a battleship. Battleships are NOT FOR SOLOING. You will have a gang. Your gang will have webs and target painters. That frigate is suddenly the size of a barn, and even a 2-month old in a raven firing cruise missiles couldnt miss it.
Quote: Once again, this is a setup very much so similiar to the battlehauler kind.
No, the battlehauler is meant to lure people into a false sense of security and then embarass them by being killed by a badger. People do it because badgers cost less than a million ISK. Your raven costs one hundred million isk. It is not throwaway, but you will be throwing it away fitting it with cruiser-sized guns.
One question, have you ever actually tried to pvp in a heavy missile, armour tanked, non-ecm raven. In fact, have you ever tried to pvp at all?
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NoNah
Marzipan Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 14:10:00 -
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The size and the cost of the ship is just a question of scale. The battlehaulers will kill other haulers and barges, causing damage of at good times 20 mil isk, each insurance is at 250-300k iirc, another mil or two for equipment. The raven will cost nearly 40 but also be able to cause damage for hundreds of millions at say a semi-faction-fitted curse. Saying that theres no soloing in battleships is just... well... bull.(Unless youre goon anyway, nothing is successfully done solo if youre a goon ;))
Just look at this thread, does it look like people fear a month old raven ratting around in lowsec? Ask any recon pilot wether it fears torps or heavies the most? Or heck, even cruises or heavies? Granted the same - low - amount of skills in it.
Have I flown the ship I mentioned? No. Have I encountered similiar setups? Yes. Would I fear attacking a month old torp raven in a recon? No. Would I think twice before attacking the setup stated above in one? Yes.
Would you mind answering the same questions yourself? Have you been in a raven like the one above? With the skills mentioned above? Have you been in a recon facing a torp/cruise raven or a Heavy missile raven?
Personally, I would think both twice and three times before attacking a drake in a curse, while a raven would be considered easy pickings - generally.
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