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Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:36:00 - [1] - Quote Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 14/06/2007 23:38:15 Well where to begin... We started the day enjoying a camp with our mothership pilot Miz Cenuij in Otou and all was well in the world.A few kills a few bits of loot.After another a few camps and the usual Snowy pawnage it came to around 6pm and most guys had gone afk for the pub or food or whatever.My dear corpmate Miz says to Ginger that now is the time to transfer the Nyx after agreeing a price of 26bill ealier in the week. Now Miz is an extremely well known scammer and during his 3 months or so in the corp he was involved in at least 3 fake mothership sales netting him around 25-30bill.He claimed that he was tired of the Nyx and willing to sell it to Ginger in order to get himself a titan. After much haggling he agreed to an 8.5bill 1/3 payment where he would then eject Ginger would pay him another 11.5bill to make 20 and the rest over the next 2 weeks when funds allowed.Well this was all agreed and Miz proceeded to gang Ginger and he warped to the safe spot where the Nyx was located.8.5bill was transferred to Miz's account and then Miz proceeded to activate his 4 officer smartbombs and ofc Ginger was pod killed and Octobersnow 8.5bill out of pocket which even for us is a big loss. Tbh we had half expected it and it was worth the risk to have the opportunity of obtaining a Nyx for Ginger. Subsequent to this Ginger proceeded to hunt Miz with his Moros and other corp members cynoing in to 2 different systems whereupon miz would immediately cyno out.Eventually he was tracked to sieside and actually it was found out that he had logged out on HORZA PHLEBAS his alt who he uses for all the scams on nyx sales and this character was now piloting the Nyx with Miz in a curse. Well this was unexpected and Miz was now traced to the hq station in sieside of Kleptomaniacs who at first showed no hostility to me and in convo with their ceo he denied having any affliation with Miz.Tiller u were always a bad liar. After at first holding fire on a snowy cyno alt in an npc corp small ships from Klepto proceeded to destroy the alts probe after I had cynoed in outside their hq. At this point the full scale of the conspiracy became evident and Ginger began engaging Klepto members outside the station with his moros in siege mode.During this combat Miz hid inside the station(get used to it kelpto members). One Klepto drake was destroyed and others ran off. Ofc at this point there was some smack talk in local and not surprisingly Ginger was somewhat angry first of all at his own stupidity for trusting Miz and second of all for the betrayal of Klepto and their ceo. Miz being well aware because of his time in Snowy just what a dastardly enemy Ginger would prove to be immediately petitioned Ginger at the first wrong sentence he unfortunately uttered in the heat of battle. Ginger was just undocking for another go at the Klepto blob when the dread info box popped up concerning forced game disconnection and he knew his fate at once. Upon checking mail the worse fears were confirmed with a message of perma banning. Here ends the story of the day for now.Eve's most famous player banned because of a little scamming coward who doesnt have a 1/10 of his pvp skills or balls. Enjoy your time with Miz klepto members and lets just hope he treats u as well as he treated GM...
Templer Relleg Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:43:00 - [2] - Quote This is a day of joy.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:43:00 - [3] - Quote Edited by: DarkElf on 14/06/2007 23:42:05 so ginger knew miz was a scammer and still handed over 8.5bil? then said something which got hima perma ban? jesus christ that is mental. i'm rather curios to hear what he could possibly have said to be that bad. fun fun fun DE
Jogvan The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:44:00 - [4] - Quote Edited by: Jogvan on 14/06/2007 23:49:42 Edited by: Jogvan on 14/06/2007 23:45:30 first!? LOL! So predictable with the scam.... Edit: 3rd... too bad with ginger getting banned....I always wanted to be on a ginger cap ship killmail, but that isn't very special these days anyway On the bright sight for snowy: You can keep the loot from your gatecamps now Another edit: Isn't Crom'ar Lev ginger's alt? I thought they might even be on same account because ginger usually logged off before crom logged in.
Nicole KholdStare Gallente QUANT Corp. Southern Connection	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:44:00 - [5] - Quote LMFAO!!!
Leviathan Brian	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:45:00 - [6] - Quote He he he...
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:52:00 - [7] - Quote Oops
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:55:00 - [8] - Quote How in heaven's name could ANYONE believe this could have had any other endings (the mom scam part, I mean)?
xeom Coagulated	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:56:00 - [9] - Quote Ginger why are you speaking in the 3rd person? --- Coagulated -Videos- Viciously Delicious New! Non-Entity
0101101101	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:57:00 - [10] - Quote People never learn

Amanda Shadowsword Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:57:00 - [11] - Quote Only one word will sum up this ........... Pwned. Tbh maybe now OctoberSnow will become rich from the loot they kill and it wont all goto GM's "Nyx Fund". P.S Rancer can sleep more safely.......For now ================================= All your gates are belong to us.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:58:00 - [12] - Quote TBH, I will miss Ginger. He was the butt of some of my favorite jokes. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Maniva Lakona	Posted - 2007.06.14 23:59:00 - [13] - Quote 1 Pirate corp will go and another will come and so on and so on... in the end they all die
Archa Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:00:00 - [14] - Quote great read. super muchos fun:P
Amanda Shadowsword Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:01:00 - [15] - Quote Oh nearly forgot, Ginger do u think its appropriate to threaten to kill someone in RL. Personally i don't think it is and the GM's took the right decision. Well done CCP ================================= All your gates are belong to us.
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Temptation inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:02:00 - [16] - Quote lol miz have always been a dodgy pirate.. trusting him is your own fault + bonus ginger banned lol TEMPTATION INC. Killboard
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:03:00 - [17] - Quote Originally by: Amanda Shadowsword Oh nearly forgot, Ginger do u think its appropriate to threaten to kill someone in RL. Personally i don't think it is and the GM's took the right decision. Well done CCP That's what he said? Wow...
Jarrell	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:05:00 - [18] - Quote Do we not all say things that we regret? Trust people we maybe should not have? The answer to those questions is yes. Everyone has said stuff in local that could have been bannable. Some of us have even sent nasty evemails to those who have killed our ships and popped our pods. I think some mercy has to shown in this case given the underlying circumstances. Miz rooked October Snow for billions of isk; understandably, most, if not all players would have been extremely upset at such a corporate theft. Some of my mates have been killed by October Snow, but that does not mean I want Ginger permanently banned because he let his emotions get the best of him. I ask for the Eve community to rise up and ask that Ginger be reinstated. Remember, we are all human and sometimes succumb to the heat of the moment - especially when we are scammed by corp mates. Four years of character building should not come down to a unfortunate statement made in local. With much respect to the EvE community, Jarrell
Amanda Shadowsword Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:09:00 - [19] - Quote Edited by: Amanda Shadowsword on 15/06/2007 00:08:23 shut up you Octobersnow alt. The guy made a threat to some1 else to kill him in RL, This is the second time this as happened and thats why he was banned. If a stranger comes up to you in the pub and tells you he is gonna murder you and the police hear him, would u not expect them to do something? There has been many incidents where people have killed other people over computer games and it should not be accepted. ================================= All your gates are belong to us.
minerals	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:09:00 - [20] - Quote Originally by: Jarrell Do we not all say things that we regret? Trust people we maybe should not have? The answer to those questions is yes. Everyone has said stuff in local that could have been bannable. Some of us have even sent nasty evemails to those who have killed our ships and popped our pods. I think some mercy has to shown in this case given the underlying circumstances. Miz rooked October Snow for billions of isk; understandably, most, if not all players would have been extremely upset at such a corporate theft. Some of my mates have been killed by October Snow, but that does not mean I want Ginger permanently banned because he let his emotions get the best of him. I ask for the Eve community to rise up and ask that Ginger be reinstated. Remember, we are all human and sometimes succumb to the heat of the moment - especially when we are scammed by corp mates. Four years of character building should not come down to a unfortunate statement made in local. With much respect to the EvE community, Jarrell Ginger is that you?

Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:13:00 - [21] - Quote Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Amanda Shadowsword Oh nearly forgot, Ginger do u think its appropriate to threaten to kill someone in RL. Personally i don't think it is and the GM's took the right decision. Well done CCP That's what he said? Wow... No this is not what Ginger said.All he said was that he would find Miz in real life.NO threat of any kind was made to his person.Miz knows from the 3 months that he spent on teamspeak with us that this was just idle heat of the moment talk and something Ginger did not mean at all.He merely petitioned it cause he is afraid to face the consequences of his actions in game and is much happier if GM was not around to hunt him.
l3lind Man Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:15:00 - [22] - Quote Edited by: l3lind Man on 15/06/2007 00:15:11 haha owned. i just read the end... GINGER. GOT BANNED! /joy
Amanda Shadowsword Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:16:00 - [23] - Quote ginger please stop whining with your alt's. You got banned take it like a man. ================================= All your gates are belong to us.
Jarrell	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:17:00 - [24] - Quote Love him or hate him, Ginger is an important member of the Eve community who made an unfortunate mistake. I am a strong believer in mercy when it comes to a situation like this.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:17:00 - [25] - Quote Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 15/06/2007 00:16:27 This is why I don't talk in local Lets start an unban Ginger petition, I'll sign it Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking (despite him stopping it ... ~Liz Kali
Amanda Shadowsword Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:20:00 - [26] - Quote Originally by: Jarrell Love him or hate him, Ginger is an important member of the Eve community who made an unfortunate mistake. I am a strong believer in mercy when it comes to a situation like this. Lol jarrell and the person who started this thread are Gingers alt's. of course your gonna forgive him. ================================= All your gates are belong to us.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:21:00 - [27] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Amanda Shadowsword Oh nearly forgot, Ginger do u think its appropriate to threaten to kill someone in RL. Personally i don't think it is and the GM's took the right decision. Well done CCP That's what he said? Wow... No this is not what Ginger said.All he said was that he would find Miz in real life.NO threat of any kind was made to his person.Miz knows from the 3 months that he spent on teamspeak with us that this was just idle heat of the moment talk and something Ginger did not mean at all.He merely petitioned it cause he is afraid to face the consequences of his actions in game and is much happier if GM was not around to hunt him. why are u talking in the third person ginger? DE
Ithaca Gallente The Devil's Rejects	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:21:00 - [28] - Quote Originally by: minerals Originally by: Jarrell Do we not all say things that we regret? Trust people we maybe should not have? The answer to those questions is yes. Everyone has said stuff in local that could have been bannable. Some of us have even sent nasty evemails to those who have killed our ships and popped our pods. I think some mercy has to shown in this case given the underlying circumstances. Miz rooked October Snow for billions of isk; understandably, most, if not all players would have been extremely upset at such a corporate theft. Some of my mates have been killed by October Snow, but that does not mean I want Ginger permanently banned because he let his emotions get the best of him. I ask for the Eve community to rise up and ask that Ginger be reinstated. Remember, we are all human and sometimes succumb to the heat of the moment - especially when we are scammed by corp mates. Four years of character building should not come down to a unfortunate statement made in local. With much respect to the EvE community, Jarrell Ginger is that you? Yes it is And Crom'ar Lev Wel done miz, always wondered why you put up with GM, i see the reason why now. Congrats on a great scam. Recruitment
Amanda Shadowsword Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:26:00 - [29] - Quote I dont want to throw stones, i wanna throw boulders, Tbh its just lame posting with alts to try and get u free ================================= All your gates are belong to us.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:26:00 - [30] - Quote What did he say to get petitioned btw? Ship lovers click here

Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:27:00 - [31] - Quote Originally by: DarkElf why are u talking in the third person ginger? DE Because as far as I am aware, permanant bans are levied against the person, not the character or account. If someone were to petition and inform CCP that Cromar is one of ginger's alts, he would probably be revieving a permaban on that account too. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
LittleTerror Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:30:00 - [32] - Quote Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: DarkElf why are u talking in the third person ginger? DE Because as far as I am aware, permanant bans are levied against the person, not the character or account. If someone were to petition and inform CCP that Cromar is one of ginger's alts, he would probably be revieving a permaban on that account too. Nods in agreement.
alpha charlie Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:30:00 - [33] - Quote tbh i dont think he should get banned for a little smack in local and no im not a ginger alt
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:31:00 - [34] - Quote Edited by: Nyphur on 15/06/2007 00:30:34 Originally by: alpha charlie tbh i dont think he should get banned for a little smack in local and no im not a ginger alt The key phrase there being "a little smack". What ginger does is in no way little. I am subjected to his crap on a daily basis. If we are to believe what we've heard in this thread, he threatened in all seriousness to kill someone in real life. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
alpha charlie Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:32:00 - [35] - Quote Edited by: alpha charlie on 15/06/2007 00:31:22 Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: alpha charlie tbh i dont think he should get banned for a little smack in local and no im not a ginger alt The key phrase there being "a little smack". What ginger does is in no way little, he threatened in all seriousness to kill someone in real life. in the heat of losing 8bil i would say any name under the sun but hey maybe thats just me and ging
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:34:00 - [36] - Quote Originally by: alpha charlie in the heat of losing 8bil i would say any name under the sun but hey maybe thats just me and ging This is a different set of circumstances. He was permabanned once before and wrangled his way out of it down to a two week ban. He was on his absolutely final warning and should have known better. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Amanda Shadowsword Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:35:00 - [37] - Quote This is a game, I could under stand if some1 just stole his car or robbed his house ( not that i condone murder in any form) that heat of the moment but its just a game it's not real! ================================= All your gates are belong to us.
alpha charlie Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:36:00 - [38] - Quote Edited by: alpha charlie on 15/06/2007 00:35:25 Originally by: Amanda Shadowsword This is a game, I could under stand if some1 just stole his car or robbed his house ( not that i condone murder in any form) that heat of the moment but its just a game it's not real! yea i agree but like he said in his interview he is a loner who likes to play online video games i say he care quite alot
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:37:00 - [39] - Quote rofl
Thelia Feram	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:40:00 - [40] - Quote How long i wonder until he creates a new account to loose his moros in :\

minerals	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:40:00 - [41] - Quote NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO just realised we&re gonna need a new Ginger. Theres always gotta be one with a ego so big that he's on the verge of explosion .
TribalBleb Turbulent	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:42:00 - [42] - Quote Surely you can't get banned for a little smacktalk unless of course miz is a GM after all *Turby Recruitment*
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:42:00 - [43] - Quote Originally by: minerals NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO just realised we&re gonna need a new Ginger. Theres always gotta be one with a ego so big that he's on the verge of explosion . Since Miz killed him, he has to become him. That's the rules. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:44:00 - [44] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Tbh we had half expected it... Originally by: Crom'ar Lev not surprisingly Ginger was somewhat angry first of all at his own stupidity for trusting Miz... I think we all expected stupidity from Ginger. --- ---
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:44:00 - [45] - Quote Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 00:43:59 Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: alpha charlie in the heat of losing 8bil i would say any name under the sun but hey maybe thats just me and ging This is a different set of circumstances. He was permabanned once before and wrangled his way out of it down to a two week ban. He was on his absolutely final warning and should have known better. Man ur bitter aren't u.Has the war with Snowy hurt u so much that u would rather see its ceo perma banned than try to fight like a man? Ginger has never been perma banned and the last 2 occasions he got banned were setups or mistakes which were quickly retracted by CCP.In this case Ginger made no threat to kill anyone and we have the logs to prove it.No doubt the matter of the ban will be quickly resolved.This thread was merely to inform the Eve public of current events.
killerkeano kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:45:00 - [46] - Quote a welcome member to klepto, great scam, sure ginge wud have done the same if he ever aquired a nyx. Thought the snowy guys would be glad now they can actually make some money..I think people shouldn't jump to too many conclusions without hearing miz's side of story, always two sides to a story
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:49:00 - [47] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Man ur bitter aren't u.Has the war with Snowy hurt u so much that u would rather see its ceo perma banned than try to fight like a man? .. We blew up two of your Moros, one of your Thanatos and I personally blew up your freighter. I'd say this war is pretty one-sided in our favour so far. Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Ginger has never been perma banned and the last 2 occasions he got banned were setups or mistakes which were quickly retracted by CCP.In this case Ginger made no threat to kill anyone and we have the logs to prove it.No doubt the matter of the ban will be quickly resolved.This thread was merely to inform the Eve public of current events. If you're sure that the permaban will be retracted, why are you still trying to hold onto Cromar by posting in the third person to give the impression that it's not you? Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:51:00 - [48] - Quote Originally by: minerals NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO just realised we&re gonna need a new Ginger. Theres always gotta be one with a ego so big that he's on the verge of explosion . Tiller "That's no moon, it's Tiller's ego"
Novemb3r The Splinter Syndicate R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:54:00 - [49] - Quote Originally by: killerkeano I think people shouldn't jump to too many conclusions without hearing miz's side of story, always two sides to a story As if you'd trust anything Miz ever says.
Disima Santet Minmatar Aziam	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:55:00 - [50] - Quote There is a difference between saying you'll find someone in real life and that you'll find them and kill them or beat them or whatever. The first instance would not be a good reason to perma-ban someone. Give him a month or two to cool off though and think the situation over. Apparently he didn't think hard enough the first time.

50freefly Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:56:00 - [51] - Quote Edited by: 50freefly on 15/06/2007 01:00:09 Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: minerals NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO just realised we&re gonna need a new Ginger. Theres always gotta be one with a ego so big that he's on the verge of explosion . Since Miz killed him, he has to become him. That's the rules. Shut up on the forums and come onto EVE! I dunno, I am not a fan of ginger but he was kinda (okay, VERY) fun to kill and his posts were rather entertaining (yes tiller, better than yours... )... Just that I can imagine what I would feel like if I got my account permabanned and I would be pretty devastated... kind of a lot of work to get smushed for one comment, however bad. But meh, if it's true that he's had warnings about this before then I can understand. Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Calvin Firenze Minmatar Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:57:00 - [52] - Quote Edited by: Calvin Firenze on 15/06/2007 01:01:03 sorry, couldn't resist a joke with a friend deleted post this is not a signature, whatever anyone has told you is false. look away
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:59:00 - [53] - Quote Ginger Magician is not Eve's most famous person. He was the most famous noob. That's not flaming, that's just the truth of it. He and his ilk are so afraid of a standup fight that you turn down billions of ISK at the offer of one because you can't blob your opponent. Long overdue, and couldn't have happened to a more deserving person. Ginger, I wish you luck in whatever venture you pursue - may you find the same kind of friends there as you did here.
50freefly Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:59:00 - [54] - Quote Edited by: 50freefly on 15/06/2007 00:59:38 I really suck at forums. Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 00:59:00 - [55] - Quote All was funny and nice to read until the petition part. Great, altough predictable, scam but, in the end, Miz had to call in the GM's because of smack. Unless it was RL threats, petitioning a guy for smaking after you have scamed him out of 8.5 bil and pod him is childish, to say the least.
Barbens	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:00:00 - [56] - Quote Wow...maybe next time you wont use your credit card to try to purchase a ship...Trade windows are great...ya'll got what ya deserved BaRbEnS
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:02:00 - [57] - Quote Originally by: Barbens Wow...maybe next time you wont use your credit card to try to purchase a ship...Trade windows are great...ya'll got what ya deserved BaRbEnS Uhm dude, you can't use a trade window to trade a Mothership, things don't dock in stations.
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:02:00 - [58] - Quote Edited by: Johncrab on 15/06/2007 01:01:05 Edited. See post above
Plaetean coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:03:00 - [59] - Quote lol, what else did he expect, after recruiting known scammers and corp thieves. As for the banning, personally I'd trust the GM's descisions more than Ginger's corp members... -----
4rc4ng3L Gallente C R Y O FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:05:00 - [60] - Quote ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Funniest thing iv ever read!!!! \o/ so long...... Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...

Corn Meal	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:09:00 - [61] - Quote Well by saying your going to find some one in real life after they scammed you pretty much means ur going to cause them harm after all u dont get ripped off 8 bill and then shake there hand and give them a kiss on the cheek do you... Any ways maybe WOW is better suited to you... and ull allways be remembered in eve as the Famous pirate that got scammed and banned by miz. Well Fly safe... no pun intended there...
Saint Lazarus Neuer Anfang	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:09:00 - [62] - Quote OMG genius pure genius Thank you Miz perfectly executed I mean wtf more could we ask for?!!! Robbed, Podded, betrayed, and perma banned. Miz should get a medal and Ginger the loud mouth n00b should remain banned forever more ^^ The only thing anyone'll miss is laughin at him anyway, cause lets face it thats all anyone ever did ------------------------------
Jonny 101 The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:10:00 - [63] - Quote wow..this AND Xelas, if tiller leaves to play lotro this will be the funniest week ever. ------------------------------------------------ crash003 > 400k more lp and ill have a navy mega TheJacko > 400k lol TheJacko > ineed 250k The hidden face of turby
Xreed 238 No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:18:00 - [64] - Quote Ginger Magician was banned... Guess i'll have to start going to church again. However. Considering the circumstances, i'll have to call BS on the way it happened, you don't have my support by any means, snowy. But that's a crap way to leave a game. Bellum ad Infinitum
Thelia Feram	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:18:00 - [65] - Quote Edited by: Thelia Feram on 15/06/2007 01:17:57
Pociomundo Gallente World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:22:00 - [66] - Quote I'm a little saddened by the fact that I won't be able to visit a few killboards a week and find 3 Ginger Moros losses in 1 week anymore. But this is a great day indeed :) GG tbh Klepto et al, a taste of his own medicine.
Aes'lka Talosh Minmatar Beijing Farmer's Union	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:26:00 - [67] - Quote An Ex-otou Resident myself, all I can say is. Good Riddance.
Sentinel x Caldari Short Attention Span Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:26:00 - [68] - Quote He got banned for threating to kill him in rl? Wow. I get that all the time but I don't cry about it. You're out 8.5 bil, you get podded, betrayed, and getting smack talked in local from people hiding in stations.. None of you would be just a tad angry? You're practically not allowed to get angry what so ever.
ToG Amarr Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:26:00 - [69] - Quote Originally by: Pociomundo I'm a little saddened by the fact that I won't be able to visit a few killboards a week and find 3 Ginger Moros losses in 1 week anymore. But this is a great day indeed :) GG tbh Klepto et al, a taste of his own medicine. That never happens, he used to self destruct so his "stats" wouldn't be affected. Does that mean the war between us will end? I don't really mind either way because during the war i've not lost anything and gingers has lost a few capitals :) Come to think of it, No one in our corp has lost any capitals....Has any of us even lost a battleship to snowy DURING the war?
ToG Amarr Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:28:00 - [70] - Quote Edited by: ToG on 15/06/2007 01:27:18 Double posted...forums fault.

Flynn Tagart Caldari Blood Eagle Federation Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:34:00 - [71] - Quote pwnd pwnd pwnd pwnd pwnd, well now we need to find a new ginger, lol any takers? President of the Blood Eagle Federation. Emporer of Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss alliance To join [B-E-F]or [SFA] Convo/mail me.
britishfish Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:38:00 - [72] - Quote @ scam hahaha nice one @ ginger lol bad karma uh? tbh someone that spends all day popping noob shuttles with smart bombs then self destructs his ship when the **** hits the fan is no loss to EVE imo A Dream is a goal without a plan. "No guts , no glory."
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 01:38:00 - [73] - Quote Originally by: ToG Come to think of it, No one in our corp has lost any capitals....Has any of us even lost a battleship to snowy DURING the war? Best he's got on me was a Hyperion before the war and a Lachesis during it. It's not really a war, though, since they can't even enter highsec. Crom'ar is the only one who can enter highsec and this war allowed me to blow up his freighter in a Lachesis. He is literally just throwing away isk to pay war fees that do nothing but make his hauler alt vulnerable in highsec where his corpmates can't even help. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Bosie Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 02:05:00 - [74] - Quote Scammed and banned in one go, it's harsh and I won't laugh or taunt I'll just say it was an experience having you here. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND."
Dr Slice kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 02:07:00 - [75] - Quote Originally by: Curzon Dax He and his ilk are so afraid of a standup fight that you turn down billions of ISK at the offer of one because you can't blob your opponent. This bit is highly inaccurate. I know first-hand. If Ginger has a fault as an FC, its taking on overwhelming odds on a consistent basis.
TehDuke	Posted - 2007.06.15 02:20:00 - [76] - Quote to be honest i think that ginger should be unbanned, ive never heard of the guy but to be scammed that much money im sure anyone would get angry. P.S scammers are ***
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 02:21:00 - [77] - Quote Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: Curzon Dax He and his ilk are so afraid of a standup fight that you turn down billions of ISK at the offer of one because you can't blob your opponent. This bit is highly inaccurate. I know first-hand. If Ginger has a fault as an FC, its taking on overwhelming odds on a consistent basis. Actually, he did turn down a 1 on 1 with me before. His Moros versus my Thanatos, at a planet with nobody else involved. I staked 3 billion that it would be a fair fight with nobody else involved and said I would post on the forums publicly and stake my entire reputation on turning over the 3b if someone interfered. He declined, but he was pretty quick to offer to cyno me to another system to fight, which was clearly a trap. I offered him the 1v1 fight because I knew he would not accept it. I had tanked his moros permanantly in my thanatos before but he wouldn't admit that his moros couldn't destroy my thanatos alone, so I would say that his main failing as a leader would be his ego. As you said, he would often fight outnumbered and outmatched (and almost always lost in those cases), but the problem is that he put himself into those situations through arrogance. Someone who can't accept and understand the limitations of their ship will never get better at PvP. I may be **** at PvP but I know what my ships are capable of and what they aren't. I'm getting better at PvP in every engagement because I know the limitations of my ship. From my experience of Ginger, that would be what I call his major failing and it accounts for his record-breaking losses in PvP. If it weren't for slave-driving his corpmates at those gates, he would have run out of isk a long time ago. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Flynn Tagart Caldari Blood Eagle Federation Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.06.15 02:29:00 - [78] - Quote http://www.GingerMagician.justgotowned.com/ Hehehehe ______________________________________________ President of the Blood Eagle Federation. Emporer of Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss alliance To join [B-E-F]or [SFA] Convo/mail me. http://www.Ginger
Soljr Gallente Xtreme Intruders The Nexus Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 03:08:00 - [79] - Quote "Robbed, Podded, betrayed, and perma banned." Sums it up perfectly. Way to be idiots guys "lol we scammd this person n thet attckd n got bannd good goin guys lol" Isn't scamming oh.. I dunno. frowned upon? Just because of who it is doesn't make it any less worse. :/ HAY BALLS
Joseph Boeing Team Machine Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.15 03:26:00 - [80] - Quote Edited by: Joseph Boeing on 15/06/2007 03:26:45 Karma. Payback. Well-Deserved. I would be not as happy about this being part of you being scammed, since scamming itself is about as sorry as it can get in the game(and the fact CCP does nothing about is complete BS). However since you recruited this guy knowing he was a scammer(after a year dealing with you and your Corp that anything resembling morals, good sportsmanship, or any other redeeming traits that make it worth it for you personally to steal good oxygen from folks more deserving of it, well it doesn't shock me at all), so since you asked for it, you got it. And that sums it all don't it baby? You asked for it, and you finally got it. Karma baby. Take your bitter pill. Now swallow.

Mylinka	Posted - 2007.06.15 03:30:00 - [81] - Quote Originally by: Disima Santet There is a difference between saying you'll find someone in real life and that you'll find them and kill them or beat them or whatever. The only difference being that you don't bother to list details of your intentions since they are implied. Seriously, what would you expect someone to do if they were going to find you IRL, especially after such an occurance? Flick you the bird, say 'oh you rotten f****r!' with a smile and then leave?
GhostXile kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 03:38:00 - [82] - Quote Ginger said this once...Sounds like Communism...and that didn't work either!!! Quote: Well I should reply to this I suppose. The corp policy of Snowy has been the same since I started accepting members other than my alts in the corp.The aim of the policy is collective acheivement.If u want to make isk then dont become a pirate go mine some veld or whatever they do nowadays. If u join Snowy u get the best pvp plus free replacement of losses and assitance with modules/implants and fittings. I'm afraid Klepto is merely a collection of greedy loot thieves who have no chance of defending the area they are pirating merely logging off as soon as anything bigger than a hauler comes through. Atm they are enjoying the fruits of other labours in clearing the pocket. How long this will last remains to be seen. Quote: they are pirating merely logging off as soon as anything bigger than a hauler comes through. Looks like a perma logg for him!!!
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.15 04:27:00 - [83] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Funny story This is a nice start of the day. I really enjoyed it
Ildryn Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.15 04:35:00 - [84] - Quote We never met...And now we never will :)
Zhaymus Hockhold DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2007.06.15 04:45:00 - [85] - Quote Originally by: Soljr Isn't scamming oh.. I dunno. frowned upon? Ummm...GHSC, ever heard of them
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.15 04:49:00 - [86] - Quote karma goes well with ginger whine Toxin's can't be killed, Only removed!
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.15 04:49:00 - [87] - Quote Quote: Seriously, what would you expect someone to do if they were going to find you IRL, especially after such an occurance? Slap him across the face with a glove and agree to a pistol duel at dawn? No sympathy for either tbh. Just disappointed that Ginger didn't manage to bait Miz into making the same mistake he did - this thread would be teh uber if the announcment had been that they'd both got themselves banned! -- Fix Caldari \| Fix Rigs
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 04:51:00 - [88] - Quote Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 04:50:39 Think of it as a nice end to the week ginge... I lmao when I was told it was the 4th moros you had bought in 1 week!, though at the same time abit sorry for your members who paid for it. [ 2007.06.14 18:22:23 ] Banned > we make 500mill per day [ 2007.06.14 18:22:26 ] Banned > its not end of world [ 2007.06.14 18:22:27 ] tiller > good [ 2007.06.14 18:22:33 ] Banned > adn u know whre it allg oes:) <-------- BASTARD [ 2007.06.14 18:22:47 ] tiller > and you know where all your members go [ 2007.06.14 18:22:47 ] Banned > was worhtt he risk You deserve it with the confession above... Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Join channel KLEPTO for info.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 05:47:00 - [89] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 00:50:01 Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 14/06/2007 23:47:38 Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 14/06/2007 23:38:15 Well where to begin... We started the day enjoying a camp with our mothership pilot Miz Cenuij in Otou and all was well in the world.A few kills a few bits of loot.After another few camps and the usual Snowy pawnage it came to around 6pm and most guys had gone afk for the pub or food or whatever.My dear corpmate Miz says to Ginger that now is the time to transfer the Nyx after agreeing a price of 26bill ealier in the week. Now Miz is an extremely well known scammer and during his 3 months or so in the corp he was involved in at least 3 fake mothership sales netting him around 25-30bill.He claimed that he was tired of the Nyx and willing to sell it to Ginger in order to get himself a titan. After much haggling he agreed to an 8.5bill 1/3 payment where he would then eject Ginger would pay him another 11.5bill to make 20 and the rest over the next 2 weeks when funds allowed.Well this was all agreed and Miz proceeded to gang Ginger and he warped to the safe spot where the Nyx was located.8.5bill was transferred to Miz's account and then Miz proceeded to activate his 4 officer smartbombs and ofc Ginger was pod killed and Octobersnow 8.5bill out of pocket which even for us is a big loss. Tbh we had half expected it and it was worth the risk to have the opportunity of obtaining a Nyx for Ginger. Subsequent to this Ginger proceeded to hunt Miz with his Moros and other corp members cynoing in to 2 different systems whereupon miz would immediately cyno out.Eventually he was tracked to sieside and actually it was found out that he had logged out on HORZA PHLEBAS his alt who he uses for all the scams on nyx sales and this character was now piloting the Nyx with Miz in a curse. Well this was unexpected and Miz was now traced to the hq station in sieside of Kleptomaniacs who at first showed no hostility to me and in convo with their ceo he denied having any affliation with Miz.Tiller u were always a bad liar. After at first holding fire on a snowy cyno alt in an npc corp small ships from Klepto proceeded to destroy the alts probe after Ginger had cynoed in outside their hq. At this point the full scale of the conspiracy became evident and Ginger began engaging Klepto members outside the station with his moros in siege mode.During this combat Miz hid inside the station(get used to it kelpto members). One Klepto drake was destroyed and others ran off. Ofc at this point there was some smack talk in local and not surprisingly Ginger was somewhat angry first of all at his own stupidity for trusting Miz and second of all for the betrayal of Klepto and their ceo. Miz being well aware because of his time in Snowy just what a dastardly enemy Ginger would prove to be immediately petitioned Ginger at the first wrong sentence he unfortunately uttered in the heat of battle. Ginger was just undocking for another go at the Klepto blob when the dread info box popped up concerning forced game disconnection and he knew his fate at once. Upon checking mail the worse fears were confirmed with a message of perma banning. Here ends the story of the day for now.Eve's most famous player banned because of a little scamming coward who doesnt have a 1/10 of his pvp skills or balls. Enjoy your time with Miz klepto members and lets just hope he treats u as well as he treated GM... Crom'ar Lev = Ginger Magician ... :) --- Adopt a goon today, goons need lub and support too. Do you want him out in the cold, starving ?
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 05:49:00 - [90] - Quote Originally by: Wrayeth TBH, I will miss Ginger. He was the butt of some of my favorite jokes. That's OK, Miz's alt is with you guys in the corp. :) --- Adopt a goon today, goons need lub and support too. Do you want him out in the cold, starving ?

Jebe Noyon LDK Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2007.06.15 05:56:00 - [91] - Quote Originally by: Amanda Shadowsword This is a game, I could under stand if some1 just stole his car or robbed his house ( not that i condone murder in any form) that heat of the moment but its just a game it's not real! Word "reality" has different meanings - for some people virtual reality is extremely important. And for the car and house, I bet some of us can earn cash to buy car in RL way faster than earn 8 bil inna game. So I don't see how saying smth like "I'll find you" for car is legitimate and saying same thing after sum1 robbed him ingame are different things. It's still his property to some extent and could make a person really mad. I'm not saying it's OK to threaten peeps like that, but I have never petitioned any mails or convo threats cuz I find it irrelevant. Oh and I'm no GM's alt or in aniway simpathising him, I'm just doin an assumtion.
Devian 666 Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.06.15 06:04:00 - [92] - Quote These dramas go on every day and corp conflicts break out. People have moaned about scamming but the oldest scam in the book is the corp ceo scam. Scammers scamming each other do you really care that much? Nicely executed all in all so congratulations. A shame about the ban but he should have known better. Still my favourite part of this thread is the guy who suggested trading the Nyx at a station. I heard that Coalition Of Carebear Killers lost 3 cap ships to carebears
chiefyuk Amarr Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.06.15 06:10:00 - [93] - Quote Originally by: Amanda Shadowsword Oh nearly forgot, Ginger do u think its appropriate to threaten to kill someone in RL. Personally i don't think it is and the GM's took the right decision. Well done CCP wow, ive had that so so many times. Some people really are idiots. You klepto are scum tbh ------------------------------------------------ You can kill the protester but you cant kill the protest ------------------------------------------------
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 06:15:00 - [94] - Quote Originally by: chiefyuk You klepto are scum tbh WOOP, that makes me happy, REALLY Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Join channel KLEPTO for info.
LittleTerror Caldari kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 06:26:00 - [95] - Quote Edited by: LittleTerror on 15/06/2007 06:26:04 Originally by: chiefyuk Originally by: Amanda Shadowsword Oh nearly forgot, Ginger do u think its appropriate to threaten to kill someone in RL. Personally i don't think it is and the GM's took the right decision. Well done CCP wow, ive had that so so many times. Some people really are idiots. You klepto are scum tbh Yup some people clearly are idiots for going nuts over something that happened in a game and then threating people with RL threats Originally by: chiefyuk you klepto are scum tbh ok
Nobum Amarr dabster Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 06:38:00 - [96] - Quote posting in an epic thread I said something like this would happened within a week after Miz had joined on this forum, hilarious **** _______________________________ I'm no main >.>
chiefyuk Amarr Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.06.15 06:38:00 - [97] - Quote Originally by: tiller Originally by: chiefyuk You klepto are scum tbh WOOP, that makes me happy, REALLY i know :) Long live low sec gate piracy! ------------------------------------------------ You can kill the protester but you cant kill the protest ------------------------------------------------
Dread Operative Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.15 06:43:00 - [98] - Quote Originally by: alpha charlie tbh i dont think he should get banned for a little smack in local and no im not a ginger alt Go away Ginger alt
Grunanca	Posted - 2007.06.15 06:50:00 - [99] - Quote I dont care if it is alts writing in sympathy for Ginger or not. I have only once seen him in a gatecamp, and luckily got out in time... But unless there was really treats like "Im gonna kill you" involved, I think the GMs should look at the bigger scale. If I had saved up so much bil and lost em, I would prob just leave the game, and the fact that Ginger got angry is no big surprise... Some people can loose their temper, others can control it. I would say in cases with so huge losses, the GMs should look at it in a wider perspective.
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 06:53:00 - [100] - Quote Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 06:51:50 As I said before, Ginger is now exposed as the worst / lowest corp thief of all time, a CEO who steals from other pirates / friends for his own cap ship gain. (and loss lol) [ 2007.06.14 18:22:23 ] Banned > we make 500mill per day [ 2007.06.14 18:22:26 ] Banned > its not end of world [ 2007.06.14 18:22:27 ] tiller > good [ 2007.06.14 18:22:33 ] Banned > adn u know whre it allg oes:) <-------- BASTARD [ 2007.06.14 18:22:47 ] tiller > and you know where all your members go [ 2007.06.14 18:22:47 ] Banned > was worhtt he risk Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.

Phoenus Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 06:58:00 - [101] - Quote Dammit Miz :( Now who am I going to hunt on my offcontract time
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.06.15 07:10:00 - [102] - Quote Serves him right completely. Eve is minus one serious smacktard.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.15 07:30:00 - [103] - Quote Hilarious stuff. The master lord killer of shuttles and empty industrials is gone. I won't miss him. - Recruitment open again-
Khul Drukath Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.06.15 07:55:00 - [104] - Quote Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 06:55:08 As I said before, Ginger is now exposed as the worst / lowest corp thief of all time, a CEO who steals from other pirates A pirate who steals from other pirates... oh the horror! Pretty weak to be banned in this way, I've had much worse smack and it's all heat of the moment stuff. Really does anyone actually take these threats seriously? Anyone, my question is - with the forced disconnect and Ginger having aggressed outside the station, was his moros taken out? I assume that even a forced disconnect leaves your ship in space for 15mins? Let Us Fight Your Battles
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:02:00 - [105] - Quote Owned. --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:02:00 - [106] - Quote Couldn't happen to a nicers smack talker Now tiller can be king of the shuttle killing. Oh and Ginger not clever posting this little story with your alt as I expect he will now get banned too.
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:04:00 - [107] - Quote Originally by: Khul Drukath Anyone, my question is - with the forced disconnect and Ginger having aggressed outside the station, was his moros taken out? I assume that even a forced disconnect leaves your ship in space for 15mins? He was forced to dock by klepto cap ships Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:05:00 - [108] - Quote Originally by: Traxio Nacho Oh and Ginger not clever posting this little story with your alt as I expect he will now get banned too. We can only hope ;) - Recruitment open again-
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:18:00 - [109] - Quote looool, haha ginger, btw, not having nu** to post with main is really bad mkay still, people will never learn the basics of the game... ... eve's youngest piwat Yarrrr :)
Enraku Reynolt Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:25:00 - [110] - Quote things like this reminds me of that line in the Matrix "The Universe is not without a sence of humor." ------------------------------------------------ Do not let the world change you. Change the world Here's everything I know about war: somebody wins, somebody loses, and nothing is ever the same

Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:27:00 - [111] - Quote Okay, so yes I pulled off a long term confidence scam... again. It was me guvna, I did it, but lets be honest everyone and thier mother knows what im about, so WHO in thier right mind would send me 8.5 billion ISK? Ginger Magician, thats who. So some background... Early on within my time in Snowy it became apparent that Ginger was a greedy self centred CEO. ALL loot was to go to corp (aka Ginger's Nyx fund). He does replace some ship losses (not mods), but wont replace T2 ship losses. This from a corp that makes a fair amount of ISK gate camping. This was the reason Tiller etc all left and formed Klepto early on in my time with Snowy. So while the rest of the corp had close to ZERO isk in thier wallets, Ginger inflated his wallet to approx 25 bill. Not so annoying for me, as Ginger has already stated, I run numerous scams, collecting close to 30b in the last 2 months alone, but an appalling situation for the other corp members to be in. So between this and Ginger simply annoying the hell out of me with his idiotic PvP tactics and the way he yells, berates and is damn rude and abusive to his corp members, my anger steadily grew, but there was always the end goal and I never lost sight of that. Last week he lost a Moros because he had failed to have a cyno alt logged on, so off he went to buy another (corp paid for it). Whilst he was buying his new Moros, i scammed some guy from **** corp for 12 billion. 2 hours later Ginger got jumped and ost his his shiny new Moros, again because he didnt have a cyno alt running. Now because the guy I scammed was in local (but not in the attack) Ginger decided i should donate the isk gained from the scam to corp (his Nyx fund). He refused to see that it was his fault for having failed to use a cyno alt to escape for the second time in a single night. Whether the guy was involved or not, i was not going to be giving him ISK for lacking any common sense or PvP skills. This was the last straw, I moved up the timescale of the scam and the rest as they say is history. One thing i will say for Klepto, I have never had 20 plus pilots undock and fight on my behalf (they did this even before i was in corp (Ginger had pulled the old assign roles so he cant leave corp exploit). Its great to finally be in a corp with people like that in it after two months in Snowy. NB: Ginger killed 1 drake in this fight but had to dock several times because they were owning him in non capital ships HARD, we have fraps. BTW Crom'ar Lev is Gingers alt and a simple IP check would confirm this. You might also be interested to see that he logs onto other corp members accounts as and when he pleases, taking from them what he needs. K.Thnx for taking the time to read this and I'll see all you bears in space! "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:31:00 - [112] - Quote Yes he DID make RL threat, which i dont believe it would be in anyones best interests to post here. Leave it to the GM's to decide what is and what is not approprate for peope to say in local, If he has recieved a perma-ban then you know what he said was utterly unacceptable. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Lt Angus Caldari OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:33:00 - [113] - Quote Its like when your parents fight Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Mud Pandemonium Minmatar Trainwreck INC.	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:33:00 - [114] - Quote And a call went throughout the land, the evil troll had been vanquished by the noble Miz, and there was much rejoicing. What a great time to be alive. Ginger Magician got what he deserved, it's been a very long time coming. He gave piracy a bad name. We had our words, a common spat. So I kissed him upside the cranium with an aluminum baseball bat. My name is Mud.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:43:00 - [115] - Quote Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 08:43:40 Just to be clear Ginger is not a bad ceo who steals isk from his corpmates.If that were the case there must be 25 really stupid people in his corp.The corp policy is clearly laid out to all members before they join.All ship losses which are not the result of stupidity on the corp members part are replaced less the standard insurance which u put in the corp wallet.On top of this and while not specifically stated members receive a lot of help with fittings and modules often way beyond what they could afford out of their own wallets. If people didnt like and enjoy being in snowy no one is holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to stay.Several of our members in fact joined Klepto but returned to Snowy when they discoverd just how disorganised and poorly led the corp was and the vast numbers camping the gates meant that their share of the loot amounted to diddly squat. Once again all that Ginger said in local during the combat was that he would find Miz in real life.Nothing else nothing more.If this deserves a perma ban then I should imagine that any player of 3yrs or more with a few warnings on his account may as well quit now and get it over with cause they wont be many left very soon...
Raziel Saston Deviance Cartel	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:44:00 - [116] - Quote Originally by: Jarrell Do we not all say things that we regret? Trust people we maybe should not have? The answer to those questions is yes. Everyone has said stuff in local that could have been bannable. Some of us have even sent nasty evemails to those who have killed our ships and popped our pods. I think some mercy has to shown in this case given the underlying circumstances. Miz rooked October Snow for billions of isk; understandably, most, if not all players would have been extremely upset at such a corporate theft. Some of my mates have been killed by October Snow, but that does not mean I want Ginger permanently banned because he let his emotions get the best of him. I ask for the Eve community to rise up and ask that Ginger be reinstated. Remember, we are all human and sometimes succumb to the heat of the moment - especially when we are scammed by corp mates. Four years of character building should not come down to a unfortunate statement made in local. With much respect to the EvE community, Jarrell Have to agree with this. As much as everyone hates ginger ' the character ' i think in the circumstances most of us would be a little bit ****ed off Permanent ban seems a little bit harsh. A warning yeah should be sufficient. How many hatemails have alot of us had after popping people in low sec, saying how they are gonna do this and that to you and your dog blah blah blah. The majority of them are never reported its just ignored. I dont see why this should be any different.
Ket Halpak Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:49:00 - [117] - Quote 4 pages and I can't believe someone hasn't said this yet. GM's, can I have Gingers stuff? _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony
August Personage Caldari Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:51:00 - [118] - Quote SCAMMING IS INVINCIBLE :((((((((((((((((((
Stray Spider Gallente Magnetar Ltd Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.06.15 08:54:00 - [119] - Quote Edited by: Stray Spider on 15/06/2007 08:53:45 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 08:43:40 Just to be clear Ginger is not a bad ceo who steals isk from his corpmates.If that were the case there must be 25 really stupid people in his corp.The corp policy is clearly laid out to all members before they join.All ship losses which are not the result of stupidity on the corp members part are replaced less the standard insurance which u put in the corp wallet.On top of this and while not specifically stated members receive a lot of help with fittings and modules often way beyond what they could afford out of their own wallets. If people didnt like and enjoy being in snowy no one is holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to stay.Several of our members in fact joined Klepto but returned to Snowy when they discoverd just how disorganised and poorly led the corp was and the vast numbers camping the gates meant that their share of the loot amounted to diddly squat. Once again all that Ginger said in local during the combat was that he would find Miz in real life.Nothing else nothing more.If this deserves a perma ban then I should imagine that any player of 3yrs or more with a few warnings on his account may as well quit now and get it over with cause they wont be many left very soon... look ma! i can post with my alt too Just to be clear Ginger is a bad ceo who steals isk from his corpmates. there is 25 really stupid people in his corp (most of them are him). All of their members who left to join Klepto, never returned to Snowy. Clearly because they have brains.
Ifni Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:02:00 - [120] - Quote Ok, as much as I despise Empire pirates, let me point out some discrepancies. If this is true, since we have only your word that it is, and not some cunningly crafted forum decoy, then what were you thining would happen? Miz has robbed, scammed and cheated almost every corp he has been a part of since the game started. Not only that, he has a history of manic scamming and social engineering anyone and everyone he can. Were you truly so arrogant to think that this wouldn't apply to you, because in some misguided way, you considered yourself better than he? Arrogance and pride can be brutally harsh, and are basically what have led you to this point. If, as i say, it's true. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.

Helferin Gallente kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:08:00 - [121] - Quote im gonna write a book... ill call it: "the man who lost his life" .. yo ginger, how does it feel now? knocked? ... but you could aswell take a banana, a parking place and some random jewellery and put the thing in da mixer! ..
Deva Blackfire Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:19:00 - [122] - Quote Another lame way of removing Ginger? Pfff... Maybe instead of reverting to "lets try and ban him" you try to kill him ingame? I know hes a tard, but at least it was fun to have him in game...
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:19:00 - [123] - Quote This whole story is sad, both ways. Sad that Ginger had to go this way, scammed and banned, i meen i would get really ****ed of if someone scammed me for 8bil and then taunted me inside of a station. And its sad for Miz and for people saying its ok and genious to scam and get someone banned, this is like mob behaviour. The same people congratulating Miz are the same that come here whining about scammers and macro farmers, isk sellers and whatever. Are the same people that claimed to have fought ginger but never came out of their 0.0 hole. I'm not saying its right for ginger to threat someone, i just kinda understand his frustration, he felt dumb for putting trust on someone, and then when he wanted to shoot, "ingame", that person and couldn't. You are really sad people, all of you congratulating miz for this. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:21:00 - [124] - Quote Perma ban? That is idiotic. Well, Ginger is a bad guy no doubt. But others are much worse and still happily annoy everyone and their cat. I would like to suggest that he asks his banning lifted and 2-3 months or so. Maybe the powers that are will have mercy upon him. I am not sure who made the ban, but he can ask always a senior GM about it and if this measure was appropriate for that situation.
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:26:00 - [125] - Quote Bwhahahha :D I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING! HELP!
Brieght Maetling	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:27:00 - [126] - Quote I flew with Ginger for months when I was starting out. I was never in Snowy but it was good experience and the pilots I flew alongside taught me some of what I know now. A perma ban would in my opinion be too much in this instance. I've seen worse said in local and received worse after killing someone.... I hope I see lots more :)
Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:27:00 - [127] - Quote Cant believe no-one has said it yet... IN BEFORE THE LOCK. Since this thread openly talks about a breach of EULA and the punishment resulting there after, which we arnt allowed to talk about on the forums... "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:33:00 - [128] - Quote Are u worried that everyone will see the name of HORZA PHLEBUS miz.I believe u are well aquainted with him.Doesnt he fly a nyx which is permanently on sale? Face the fact that this time u messed with the wrong guy and your CCP connections and friendly Gms wont save u in the end.
Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:33:00 - [129] - Quote As for the few people who arnt Snowy alts saying its too much that he recieved a ban for making a RL threat, let me put it this way.. I coudnt care if he tries to find me in RL, he doesnt scare me in the slightest, however this kind of threat may well intimidate someone who has kids etc, resulting in stress etc etc (should they move homes now or later?). THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Furthermore there were a lot of people in local at the time, some of whom are no doubt in the above situation and do not wish to expose themselves or thier families to a person who so calmly makes RL threats. It is not the first time he has been warned and the if indeed he has been banned he should consider himself lucky that it was only the Ginger acount and not Crom's account as well. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:36:00 - [130] - Quote Falsely acusing me of being a GM etc is fairly desperate. Iam not a GM. It has been stated by senior CCP officals in other threads that iam in no way associated with CCP in any way shape or form. A Mere mortal took 8.5 bill from you and then pod killed you. How low you have fallen. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".

Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:37:00 - [131] - Quote WTS Ginger Magician corpse - mail me offers. :D "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Mercenaries of Andosia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:37:00 - [132] - Quote This just in : Miz Cenuji - Humanitarian. Dude, all well and good, you pulled off the same scam, again. Don't for a second pretend you got Ginger banned for anything more than your own asinine sense of self-satisfaction, your own little charge to put the final nail in the guys coffin. Stupid as he was to trust you, ANYone would be ****ed to lose so much. Perhaps he thought you were 'of a kind' to himself. I'm sure you used that to your advantage. It was not necessary to get the guy permabanned along with it. Still, great to have someone that thinks of others like yourself
Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:40:00 - [133] - Quote Yeh, im a real carer, LOL. To be clear though, I DIDNT get him banned. He did that all by himself. K, thnx. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Agent Nuke g guild	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:41:00 - [134] - Quote I hate to say it but well done Miz I will miss the noob and his smack. It was fun annoying the hell out of him all the time But the ban is deserved from what has been said
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:50:00 - [135] - Quote Originally by: Miz Cenuij WTS Ginger Magician corpse - mail me offers. :D I can trade you 3 dolls and a janitor ? Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
Agent Nuke g guild	Posted - 2007.06.15 09:52:00 - [136] - Quote ill trade u for that if u throw in 1 secure can so i can keep them all there
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:12:00 - [137] - Quote Originally by: Miz Cenuij WTS Ginger Magician corpse - mail me offers. :D tbh , there should be glass cargo containers... when someone is passing by he can have a look in there... you know what i think dont you :P _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:13:00 - [138] - Quote Originally by: Miz Cenuij As for the few people who arnt Snowy alts saying its too much that he recieved a ban for making a RL threat, let me put it this way.. I coudnt care if he tries to find me in RL, he doesnt scare me in the slightest, however this kind of threat may well intimidate someone who has kids etc, resulting in stress etc etc (should they move homes now or later?). THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Furthermore there were a lot of people in local at the time, some of whom are no doubt in the above situation and do not wish to expose themselves or thier families to a person who so calmly makes RL threats. It is not the first time he has been warned and the if indeed he has been banned he should consider himself lucky that it was only the Ginger acount and not Crom's account as well. I would ban you for creating the hole situation and making it lead to the mess it did. You helped into making those threats as in you taunted ginger after robbing him, worst you knew how he would react so you kept on going. And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Sabahl Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:19:00 - [139] - Quote Originally by: Miz Cenuij WTS Ginger Magician corpse - mail me offers. :D Can you put up a screenshot of the look on his face?
Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:20:00 - [140] - Quote I play this as a game mate, when i lose a ship/pod/isk I take it as just that. Fairplay if someone scams me, I'll be the first to conratulate them. It wont happen though, because I have a clue. I've scamed other people for more ISK than I took from Ginger and they have taken it well, sure they were a bit gutted, but they laughed about it afterwards. There you have it from people like that to someone like Ginger who is comfortable threatening people in RL. The whole spread of humanity, all right here in this glorious world EVE. Now you give me all yer ISK ! "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".

Cpt Branko	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:22:00 - [141] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius I would ban you for creating the hole situation and making it lead to the mess it did. You helped into making those threats as in you taunted ginger after robbing him, worst you knew how he would react so you kept on going. And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation. There's a line between what's allowed and what isn't. No amount of verbal abuse or using in-game mechanics entitles you to make RL threats. Being provoked (by legal actions, of all things) does NOT excuse doing illegal actions. Nor should the one provoking get equal punishment.
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:25:00 - [142] - Quote Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 10:24:53 Originally by: Dionisius And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation. ...your argument confuses a game and RL, as such you end up looking a fool. 'hey it's ok kids to threaten each other out of game because xyz blew up your pixels in game' think before you post.... (typical carebear reaction imho) Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:32:00 - [143] - Quote Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Dionisius I would ban you for creating the hole situation and making it lead to the mess it did. You helped into making those threats as in you taunted ginger after robbing him, worst you knew how he would react so you kept on going. And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation. There's a line between what's allowed and what isn't. No amount of verbal abuse or using in-game mechanics entitles you to make RL threats. Being provoked (by legal actions, of all things) does NOT excuse doing illegal actions. Nor should the one provoking get equal punishment. Right... i would still ban Miz, you see the situation would have not come to that if Miz hadn't smacked and taunted Ginger, get the picture. Its like getting slaped in the face after taunting someone, he agressed you right, but you provoked the situation. Miz has as much fault in this as ginger and saying he plays the game, its fair this and that, he knows, i know, everyone with a 2 bits of witts and perception can see that scamming and then taunting people isn't fair and leads to situations like this. I'm not excusing ginger, but i won't excuse miz, and i stand for what i said previously, i would ban both. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:35:00 - [144] - Quote Edited by: Dionisius on 15/06/2007 10:39:25 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 10:24:53 Originally by: Dionisius And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation. ...your argument confuses a game and RL, as such you end up looking a fool. 'hey it's ok kids to threaten each other out of game because xyz blew up your pixels in game' think before you post.... (typical carebear reaction imho) I confuse nothing, and don't use that argument for your benefit, you knew how ginger would react and still you provoked him. Its like, again, proking someone to fight, taunting and humiliating the person, knowing that he will react badly to the situation , and then saying he's bad for loosing his temper and smacking you in the face and you're innocent and victims. EDIT: And one more thing, you guys are a bit dumb regarding games and people, this is a game, yes, yet you fail to have the intelligence and comprehension to realize that the emotions generated behind the char are from REAL PEOPLE!, and real people loose their tempers. And some people, like you and your bunch, like to explore this part, its a fact, most of us do it, you take it to a diferent level, and then excuse yourselves with the phrase, its only a game. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:40:00 - [145] - Quote Lucky for me then that scamming is allowed in Eve. You canot hold a player responsible for the overeactions of another. Down that path lies WOW. No-one would do anything to agravate another player (even pvp) for fear of the other player going balistic and mass bannings resulting. Now bears, if you will excuse me im going for a pleasant day out, when i return i shall be camping with my new corp and sending my alt off to Jita to spend Gingers ISK on something totally useless, but pretty to look at. Ideas on the back of a postcard please. Hugs and Kisses - Miz, the betrayor. TTFN bears "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Vensa Heckler Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:43:00 - [146] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Dionisius I would ban you for creating the hole situation and making it lead to the mess it did. You helped into making those threats as in you taunted ginger after robbing him, worst you knew how he would react so you kept on going. And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation. There's a line between what's allowed and what isn't. No amount of verbal abuse or using in-game mechanics entitles you to make RL threats. Being provoked (by legal actions, of all things) does NOT excuse doing illegal actions. Nor should the one provoking get equal punishment. Right... i would still ban Miz, you see the situation would have not come to that if Miz hadn't smacked and taunted Ginger, get the picture. Its like getting slaped in the face after taunting someone, he agressed you right, but you provoked the situation. Miz has as much fault in this as ginger and saying he plays the game, its fair this and that, he knows, i know, everyone with a 2 bits of witts and perception can see that scamming and then taunting people isn't fair and leads to situations like this. I'm not excusing ginger, but i won't excuse miz, and i stand for what i said previously, i would ban both. what miz did was allowed inside the game mechanics, what ginger did was to threaten to "find" miz irl. miz is a smacktard yes, but its gingers own fault for not doing the smart thing and ignoring him. he chose to get angry and escalate the smack, and got banned. no one to blame but himself. (btw, i don't claim to know that i wouldn't do the same thing in the same situation, partly because i don't think of myself so stupid as to trust one of the best known scammers in the game with 8b and my pod) - Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:46:00 - [147] - Quote Before I go, id like to thanks the dozens of you who have mailed ur suupport and grats in game. To the few of you who even sent me ISK by way of a well done, thanks, but im pretty well off, you should have spent the ISK on somthing shiny for yourself. However, NO, you cant have it back. LOL Thanks everyone 0/ "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:50:00 - [148] - Quote Dionisius your arguement holds no water for a start ginger smacks like no one ever has before when he kills someone or when he himself gets killed, so if I turned round and said I was going to hunt him down in real life after he had smacked me you're saying he should be banned as well? Miz is not accountable for Gingers actions, however if that was all ginger put in local I would think ginger possibly already has warnings against him or its another over the top GM giving out perma ban instead of temp ban.
Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:50:00 - [149] - Quote Originally by: Gnulpie t our call, it's CCP's. No one should be involved beyond Ginger and CCP with the possible exception of Miz to assess how realistically inturpets the threat. I'm suprised this isn't locked yet since it is in part talking about GM conversations and actions. Yeh, im not too bothered about some guy threatening me in RL, but if my wife was to read about it, she might not be so blasse about it. So in the end, he got what he deserved. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:51:00 - [150] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 15/06/2007 10:39:25 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 10:24:53 Originally by: Dionisius And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation. ...your argument confuses a game and RL, as such you end up looking a fool. 'hey it's ok kids to threaten each other out of game because xyz blew up your pixels in game' think before you post.... (typical carebear reaction imho) I confuse nothing, and don't use that argument for your benefit, you knew how ginger would react and still you provoked him. So RL threats are ok if provoked with a smartbomb and a good isk scam ? Here is a block of role eyes for you... Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.

Psyco Groupie Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:52:00 - [151] - Quote This is the funniest thing ive read. Short and sweet...congrats to Miz. [img]http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z243/PsycoGroupie/correctsig.jpg[/img
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:57:00 - [152] - Quote Originally by: Traxio Nacho Dionisius your arguement holds no water for a start ginger smacks like no one ever has before when he kills someone or when he himself gets killed, so if I turned round and said I was going to hunt him down in real life after he had smacked me you're saying he should be banned as well? Miz is not accountable for Gingers actions, however if that was all ginger put in local I would think ginger possibly already has warnings against him or its another over the top GM giving out perma ban instead of temp ban. Why is Miz not acountable if he is aware on how Ginger would react to the situation? Despite the fact that Ginger is a smacktard of the worst category it is obvious that this was used to generate the described situation and looking at Miz and klepto corps resume it indicates that further problems will happen again. Its bs and rather sad if people try to excuse one wrong doing with another. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:57:00 - [153] - Quote Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19 I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation. Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned.
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:58:00 - [154] - Quote Originally by: tiller Originally by: Dionisius Edited by: Dionisius on 15/06/2007 10:39:25 Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 10:24:53 Originally by: Dionisius And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation. ...your argument confuses a game and RL, as such you end up looking a fool. 'hey it's ok kids to threaten each other out of game because xyz blew up your pixels in game' think before you post.... (typical carebear reaction imho) I confuse nothing, and don't use that argument for your benefit, you knew how ginger would react and still you provoked him. So RL threats are ok if provoked with a smartbomb and a good isk scam ? Here is a block of role eyes for you... A good objective for you, learn how to read. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.15 10:59:00 - [155] - Quote Now, THAT'S a pirate story!!! Wasn't there a discussion that Miz is a hidden GM? It's a bit strange that Ginger is perma banned that fast without a real case proof by CCP. I will not protect the most famous log-, eject- and self-destruct-PvPer in EVE but from an objective pov the end of that great story is a bit strange. So say we all! Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:00:00 - [156] - Quote GINGER IS INOCENT! TRUE STORRY! wait a second...
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:08:00 - [157] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19 I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation. Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned. I think most people know this alt is you ginger :), though I really have a dislike for you I would send the GMs a petetion as in the past few months i've known about 3 people having perma bans when they we're only meant to be temp bans.
Eryn Deviance Cartel	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:18:00 - [158] - Quote Two things, 1) I have received dozens of real life threats after popping carebears, not bothered petitioning any of them because as we all know they are just overreactions said in the heat of the moment when someone looses something it took them a long time to work for. Its just bravado, the ones more likely to actually do such a thing are highly unlikely to tell you in game anyway, you would find out when they turn up on your doorstep. 2) Surely banning people when they make a real life threat in game is only going to escalate the problem, i.e. he lost a lot of ISK and a pod in game, that is bad enough, now you have banned him from a game he has been playing solid for 4 years. Its rubbing salt in the wound. If they were seriously considering it when they said it in game (which I doubt GM was) then they are a hell of a lot more likely to carry out the threat now.
Corn Meal	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:26:00 - [159] - Quote Originally by: tiller Originally by: Khul Drukath Anyone, my question is - with the forced disconnect and Ginger having aggressed outside the station, was his moros taken out? I assume that even a forced disconnect leaves your ship in space for 15mins? He was forced to dock by klepto cap ships The only bit i missed of the fight was him docking after i set my fighters on him and then 10secs later he logged off (Banned) He couldnt even kill my absolution with all his sentry drones on me and his turrets webbed scrambled pointed... lolz i shot about 10mills worth of his drones i got some good footage of us smashing his ship look To the future for a klepto video of this :) its in the making
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:27:00 - [160] - Quote Wow, just wow. Ginger actually trusted Miz, lol. I always wondered why Miz stuck around in that corp when it was known what the ISK all was going to, and the fact he knew miz kept scamming people with Nyx sales, and thought Miz would actually sell to HIM? Not to dig at Miz, but the guy isn't giving up his 0 risk lowsec gravy train. Maybe he will if he actually gets a titan, but the piracy carebearism of gatecamping in a titan with smartbombs is above and beyond explanation. Atleast with the Ms, you can always pop out those two dozen fighters and wtfpwn a small fleet solo. Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:29:00 - [161] - Quote Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19 I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation. Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned. I disagree to one point. A MMORPG like EVE is NOT a game anymore when you spend max. of your rl time for it. From that fact CCP also have to understand that +beeing addicted= to a game like that is affecting the person behind a character like Ginger in a special way. Also emotional. We have to discuss the dark side of that kind of games very serious. The most people in EVE who are ruling bigger stuff or are very sucessful need to be in that game as much as possible. At a special border it's not a hobby anymore. It's some kind of addiction to it. I am for myself can't just log when I lost 200 Million due a kill and go back to normal reallife. All those ISK had need rl time to earn them. So it takes a while to calm down and accept: just a game. Hard sometimes. But someone behind Ginger who lives in that game for a long time now can't really see it as a pure game anymore. That's probably the reason for his extreme emotional behaviour which forces CCP of course to ban them due EULA. But if CCP also understand the fact that MMORPG's can force a special kind of addiction and that it's not really normal at the end that people spend 12 hours or more a day rl time for EVE ... CCP must rethink their rules. It's not that simple to say: it's just a game. Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
Corn Meal	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:31:00 - [162] - Quote Originally by: Gnulpie Perma ban? That is idiotic. Well, Ginger is a bad guy no doubt. But others are much worse and still happily annoy everyone and their cat. I would like to suggest that he asks his banning lifted and 2-3 months or so. Maybe the powers that are will have mercy upon him. I am not sure who made the ban, but he can ask always a senior GM about it and if this measure was appropriate for that situation. It went higher then tht it Was the LEAD GM that banned him and this isnt the first offence its the second.
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:32:00 - [163] - Quote Originally by: Corn Meal Originally by: Gnulpie Perma ban? That is idiotic. Well, Ginger is a bad guy no doubt. But others are much worse and still happily annoy everyone and their cat. I would like to suggest that he asks his banning lifted and 2-3 months or so. Maybe the powers that are will have mercy upon him. I am not sure who made the ban, but he can ask always a senior GM about it and if this measure was appropriate for that situation. It went higher then tht it Was the LEAD GM that banned him and this isnt the first offence its the second. The question which also interests me: is MIZ probably a GM or not. That was discussed a while ago in another thread. +++ JOIN PAP +++
Namingway Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:33:00 - [164] - Quote I just realized, how is this thread not snipped for discussing GM actions? And no I don't mean Ginger Magician actions. Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:33:00 - [165] - Quote I guess this makes Crom'ar Lev the "One And Only Numero Uno Pvper in Eve" now then. I'm not a fan of scamming, but god damn Miz... nice job. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Devian 666 Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:34:00 - [166] - Quote Originally by: Eryn Two things, 1) I have received dozens of real life threats after popping carebears, not bothered petitioning any of them because as we all know they are just overreactions said in the heat of the moment when someone looses something it took them a long time to work for. Its just bravado, the ones more likely to actually do such a thing are highly unlikely to tell you in game anyway, you would find out when they turn up on your doorstep. 2) Surely banning people when they make a real life threat in game is only going to escalate the problem, i.e. he lost a lot of ISK and a pod in game, that is bad enough, now you have banned him from a game he has been playing solid for 4 years. Its rubbing salt in the wound. If they were seriously considering it when they said it in game (which I doubt GM was) then they are a hell of a lot more likely to carry out the threat now. Imagine what eve would be like if we petitioned all the carebear threats after killing their ships.... Hmmm, on one side revenue would go down but on the flip side it would actually be quite cool having less crazy people ranting at you because they lost 1m in rat loot. I heard that Coalition Of Carebear Killers lost 3 cap ships to carebears
Cpt Branko	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:35:00 - [167] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius Why is Miz not acountable if he is aware on how Ginger would react to the situation? Are you aware of the humongous can of worms you're opening here? As long as you're doing something within the confines of the legal and allowed, you cannot and should not be punished for provoking someone to an illegal act by it. Else we're just making thugs of every kind practically invincible, since your whatever was provoking them, and you bloody well knew that. I'm guessing you're Ginger's alt.
kessah Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:48:00 - [168] - Quote quite the fitting end to ginger. losing 8.5b + his character with all his assets. He rocked the boat long enough. -------------------------------------------------------- Blood Corsairs Recruitment
Corn Meal	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:51:00 - [169] - Quote Originally by: Miz Cenuij WTS Ginger Magician corpse - mail me offers. :D Dude thease the last ginger corpase it gota be worth afew bllion isk
Wigglytuff Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:57:00 - [170] - Quote Originally by: Miz Cenuij Lucky for me then that scamming is allowed in Eve. You canot hold a player responsible for the overeactions of another. Down that path lies WOW. No-one would do anything to agravate another player (even pvp) for fear of the other player going balistic and mass bannings resulting. Now bears, if you will excuse me im going for a pleasant day out, when i return i shall be camping with my new corp and sending my alt off to Jita to spend Gingers ISK on something totally useless, but pretty to look at. Ideas on the back of a postcard please. Hugs and Kisses - Miz, the betrayor. TTFN bears Buy me a Thanatos? PIAET

Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 11:59:00 - [171] - Quote Originally by: Amanda Shadowsword Oh nearly forgot, Ginger do u think its appropriate to threaten to kill someone in RL. Personally i don't think it is and the GM's took the right decision. Well done CCP Yeah that was way outta line, totally agree. Just strange he wasnt banned earlier :P
Celestal	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:02:00 - [172] - Quote Edited by: Celestal on 15/06/2007 12:02:31 lets face it this could not have happened to a nicer person .... or corp gotta laugh at drama queens miz would be nearly as much of a loss to eve as ginge
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:04:00 - [173] - Quote Edited by: zwerg on 15/06/2007 12:03:02 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 10:56:19 I repeat the only thing Ginger said in the heat of the moment and after being taunted in local by Miz and other members of Klepto is that he would find him in rl.This was not something he meant or would ever carry out.Its just a game and we all have to learn to take our losses.The amount of Ginger hate in this thread is unbelieveable.People should really ask themselves if they would like their own accounts perma banned having played the game and developed their character for 4 yrs for one sentence spoken in haste in the middle of combat while being under severe provocation. Now it seems that Klepto are so scared of the consequences of their actions that will do or say anything to try to keep Ginger banned. noob you douchebag, looool. u just dont get that everyone knows it frackin dumb id say. and YES I FLAME _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin
Voodoo'sMother Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:04:00 - [174] - Quote Ginger should give up and play another game. My view on this is that if he really did make a RL threat he should be banned premanately along with all his ALTs, including Crom - who should stop pretending to be someone other than ginger. He has already been banned and unbanned and obviously knows how to manipulate CCP. Why should anyone get away with this just because he was high on the "ego-meter". Scamming is not something that I agree with nor is RL threats but I think this is funny that such a smacktalking greeedy CEO got what he deserved so well done Miz-buy something nice. In short, CCP don't be silly and unban a sly manipulative child who has acted stupidly for a long time. Ban his ALT's and be done with him. Im pretty sure im not the only one who wants to see him punished in the same way others would be who are not epeen warriors.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:10:00 - [175] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Traxio Nacho Dionisius your arguement holds no water for a start ginger smacks like no one ever has before when he kills someone or when he himself gets killed, so if I turned round and said I was going to hunt him down in real life after he had smacked me you're saying he should be banned as well? Miz is not accountable for Gingers actions, however if that was all ginger put in local I would think ginger possibly already has warnings against him or its another over the top GM giving out perma ban instead of temp ban. Why is Miz not acountable if he is aware on how Ginger would react to the situation? Despite the fact that Ginger is a smacktard of the worst category it is obvious that this was used to generate the described situation and looking at Miz and klepto corps resume it indicates that further problems will happen again. Its bs and rather sad if people try to excuse one wrong doing with another. I find your post incredible tbh. You're seriously saying that RL threats should be allowed in eve if the person was provoked by something in a computer game? Can you imagine the legal implications this could have on ccp? my opinion aside here for a moment but no game support team can be seen to be allowing RL threats in their game or they would suffer legal reprocussions. And in other case imo i think that's just plain dumb. If someone is so easily angered to do something like that from a game then i think he needs to take a long hard look at his life. DE
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:14:00 - [176] - Quote Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else. Just because Ginger has killed u time and again and u would prefer to see him out of game for good does not make his banning justified.I'm sure that CCP will reach the right decision in this matter and see that his ban is not permanent.Octobersnow has already been contacted by an Eve-TV representative to do a story on Ginger. His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense.
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:17:00 - [177] - Quote Edited by: zwerg on 15/06/2007 12:16:57 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else. Just because Ginger has killed u time and again and u would prefer to see him out of game for good does not make his banning justified.I'm sure that CCP will reach the right decision in this matter and see that his ban is not permanent.Octobersnow has already been contacted by an Eve-TV representative to do a story on Ginger. His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense. ginger, ive been flying and chatting with you long enough to know that this is you... a wall of text, stupid examples,self promotion ( "legend" "killed you XXXX times" )no sense.... still nice try, and if you havent got it yet: EVERYONE FREAKIN KNOWS THAT: Crom'ar Lev = Ginger Magician one more of that sort of post and i go cry Edit: Typo _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin
Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:21:00 - [178] - Quote Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 12:21:24 Hah! Pwned As for Ginger Magician being legendary? Not even close. He may have been famous on the forum for his self-proclaimed greatness, but thats as close as it gets. I have never myself been killed by Ginger or anyone from October snow (atleast not to my recollection), and I'm happy he's gone, cause he contributed absolutely nothing to the forum whatsoever. Ginger Magician will be forgotten, or at best, remembered with a laugh on how big a no-brain dingbat he was. Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:21:00 - [179] - Quote Let's see the local chat logs then...
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:22:00 - [180] - Quote Originally by: Gypsio III Let's see the local chat logs then... interested in them aswell ( paying with cake ) _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin

DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:23:00 - [181] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else. Just because Ginger has killed u time and again and u would prefer to see him out of game for good does not make his banning justified.I'm sure that CCP will reach the right decision in this matter and see that his ban is not permanent.Octobersnow has already been contacted by an Eve-TV representative to do a story on Ginger. His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense. Let's also be clear that you have never killed me. My gang nearly killed your mega once but alas we had only a feeble 4 points of scram between the 2 of us so clearly there was no kill. If you would like to inform us what u did say then please go ahead but many seem to be under the impression that you did. This is not a personal attack on you as i actually like talking to you when i have but seriously whatever you did to get a perma ban must have been pretty bad. DE
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:28:00 - [182] - Quote Oh, I see! Miz is the victim in this! No. Bit rich of you of ALL people to petition someone for what they said in local. If Ginger wanted to get you banned, he could've petitioned so much from what you've said in the past that it'd take days to read. Not only that, but you did it whilst sat cowering in a station? Come off it. If you'd been out there fighting, beaten his Moros, and THEN he threatened and you petitioned? Fair enough. But the way you did it, it was cowardly, and it was for nothing more than your own personal enjoyment. You KNOW that GM is a hot-head. We all know it. He makes threats, he doesn't mean them. No-one is daft enough to actually get that annoyed to go and find the man behind some daft avatar and beat him up. You knew full well that he didn't mean it, and yet you still petitioned him. For your own amusement, gain, narcissism, whatever. It doesn't really matter in the end. I see a wrongful injustice here. The scam? Fair play to you, well executed. Petitioning for stuff said in local? Pot. Kettle. Black. Someone start a petition to get GM back. I don't even like the guy, but some things are just too far. And a perma-ban for this is one of them. Dark Flare - Corpus PCG
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:29:00 - [183] - Quote Originally by: Miz Cenuij BTW Crom'ar Lev is Gingers alt and a simple IP check would confirm this. You might also be interested to see that he logs onto other corp members accounts as and when he pleases, taking from them what he needs. Can you please petition with this proof? I petitioned him for account sharing when I noticed some obvious logon/off coincidences similar to those noticed between Ginger and Cromar (who has been proven to be his alt). I think the petition was ignored... Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Laxon	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:31:00 - [184] - Quote lol Shame to see ginger go but I guess there will be some other account losing cap ships left, right and center soon enough. Even the people who hate him have to admit he adds a little something to the eve universe... mainly pimped out killboards for merc corps. Also to the guy who was saying Miz should be held accountable, you have to have the most backwards world view I have ever seen (and I once lived in Wales FFS).
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:35:00 - [185] - Quote Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Traxio Nacho Dionisius your arguement holds no water for a start ginger smacks like no one ever has before when he kills someone or when he himself gets killed, so if I turned round and said I was going to hunt him down in real life after he had smacked me you're saying he should be banned as well? Miz is not accountable for Gingers actions, however if that was all ginger put in local I would think ginger possibly already has warnings against him or its another over the top GM giving out perma ban instead of temp ban. Why is Miz not acountable if he is aware on how Ginger would react to the situation? Despite the fact that Ginger is a smacktard of the worst category it is obvious that this was used to generate the described situation and looking at Miz and klepto corps resume it indicates that further problems will happen again. Its bs and rather sad if people try to excuse one wrong doing with another. I find your post incredible tbh. You're seriously saying that RL threats should be allowed in eve if the person was provoked by something in a computer game? Can you imagine the legal implications this could have on ccp? my opinion aside here for a moment but no game support team can be seen to be allowing RL threats in their game or they would suffer legal reprocussions. And in other case imo i think that's just plain dumb. If someone is so easily angered to do something like that from a game then i think he needs to take a long hard look at his life. DE Is there any stupidity virus floating around the air and has infected a percentage of the population or something? For the hundred time, I AM NOT SAYING THAT RL THREATS ARE JUSTIFIED IN A GAME FFS! BUT THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEENS EMPLOYED HERE! GINGER WAS AS SHARP AS A BRICK, BUT!, MIZ HAS ITS FAULTS IN THE MATTER! UNDERSTOOD!? And for the person that is saying that provoking actions isn't serious enough to hold people acountable for them, i'm sorry to say but in the real world it is enough, worst if proved on the spot, yet even worst in this case. Any sensible person with 2 bits of mind can understand that this was a situation that got out of hand, provoked by Miz. Miz plays the game the way he wants it, no arguements there and nothing personal, but, what happened in that local chat, taunting ginger and so on, led to the situation, that is why i say i would ban them BOTH! Not just MIZ and not just GINGER but BOTH!, and on diferent levels, Miz would get a temporary ban to serve as a warning not only to him but to others. You see, most people like you and others that think on that line dismiss this as being only a game, correct, but forget that THERE IS ACTUAL REAL PEOPLE BEHIND THE CHARS!, and some get frustraded and angry, or happy and have their sense of fulfilling experienced on diferent levels. Why does this matter, it matters in a game were you spend more than 1 hour or so playing and aquiring ISK or Items for achieving in game goals. The loss of a given item/ISK can generate diferente feelings in diferent persons, i mostly get a tad anoyed then its back to the begining, you might get angry or dismiss it, and again back to the begining, others might get a bit angrier or whatever. The point in here is that like in real life no one likes to be scamed, played as a jackass and worst humiliated in front of a crowd, and that leads us to Miz and Gingers situation. Miz "knew" Ginger, and knew how he would respond to this action, he added insult to injury after, reaping off 8Bil and poding ginger, then he proceeds to taunt Ginger in front of an audience ( locals of whatever system they were in ). Any normal person push to the edge will respond in a similar faction than ginger, only problem here is that the people that provoked this weren't held acountable for their actions and worst they gloat and have a crowd of monkeys aplauding a very sad situation. Comprende now? _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:35:00 - [186] - Quote Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 15/06/2007 12:34:32 Originally by: Voodoo'sMother Edited by: Voodoo''sMother on 15/06/2007 12:06:00 Ginger should give up and play another game. The OP was designed to put pressure on CCP to unban for making what he believes is the wrong decision, ie to ban ginger. My view on this is that if he really did make a RL threat he should be banned premanately along with all his ALTs, including Crom - who should stop pretending to be someone other than ginger. He has already been banned and unbanned and obviously knows how to manipulate CCP. Why should anyone get away with this just because he was high on the "ego-meter". Scamming is not something that I agree with nor is RL threats but I think this is funny that such a smacktalking greeedy CEO got what he deserved so well done Miz-buy something nice. In short, CCP don't be silly and unban a sly manipulative child who has acted stupidly for a long time. Ban his ALT's and be done with him. Im pretty sure im not the only one who wants to see him punished in the same way others would be who are not epeen warriors. Well, the more I think about it ... I agree 100%. This guy seems to be totally addicted and messed up by too much EVE. Even to think to kill someone in RL is crap. Time for break for him and some therapy. +++ JOIN PAP +++
lord 2evil	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:37:00 - [187] - Quote Well i see u got your mothership good for u ginger . know u rule eve,LOL
Jarrell	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:37:00 - [188] - Quote "Robbed, Podded, betrayed, and perma banned." Is that frakin' right! I think people need to put their unbridled jealousy of Ginger aside and instead look at the facts of this particular case. Everyone knows that the Kleptos have a serious axe to grind with him. Mercy needs to be practicied here for an individual who has put four years of hardwork into the building of a character. Is it right to revel in his situation simply because so many of us have lost ships to him? Losing ships is part of the game. Ginger never scammed anyone as far as I know. Miz is the biggest scammer in the entire game. Should that be a part of gaming dynamics? There needs to be some fairplay here shown by CCP. If anyone should be punished, it should be the dishonorable scammers that make Eve more like the Eastend than anything else!
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:38:00 - [189] - Quote hmmm after reading the first post, why oh why would you give someone 8bil ISK pre-empting it with thoughts of you don't trust them and you half expect the scam? Why would you do it after all you corp has gone "afk" or to "the pub" leaving you in a position of being unable to do nothing about it?
Jarrell	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:43:00 - [190] - Quote Mate, sometimes we believe in things that are too good to be true.

tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:44:00 - [191] - Quote Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 12:43:34 Originally by: Dark Flare Bit rich of you of ALL people to petition someone for what they said in local. AFAIK the lead GM was in local watching events unfold.... he was there sorting out ginger for adding roles back to stop miz leaving corp. There was no petition for the RL threat, ginger simply made them in local for everyone to see. Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
Zell Caldari The Black Raptors	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:45:00 - [192] - Quote All I can say is, @ Gingey, the day he is perama banned is the day EVE is elevated to new heights of greatness. Oh wait, thats today! \0/ nub A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..
Jarrell	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:46:00 - [193] - Quote So many of the anti-Ginger posts just disgust the hell out of me. A lot of you people make me sick to my stomach.
Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:46:00 - [194] - Quote Originally by: Dark Flare Oh, I see! Miz is the victim in this! No. Bit rich of you of ALL people to petition someone for what they said in local. If Ginger wanted to get you banned, he could've petitioned so much from what you've said in the past that it'd take days to read. Not only that, but you did it whilst sat cowering in a station? Come off it. If you'd been out there fighting, beaten his Moros, and THEN he threatened and you petitioned? Fair enough. But the way you did it, it was cowardly, and it was for nothing more than your own personal enjoyment. You KNOW that GM is a hot-head. We all know it. He makes threats, he doesn't mean them. No-one is daft enough to actually get that annoyed to go and find the man behind some daft avatar and beat him up. You knew full well that he didn't mean it, and yet you still petitioned him. For your own amusement, gain, narcissism, whatever. It doesn't really matter in the end. I see a wrongful injustice here. The scam? Fair play to you, well executed. Petitioning for stuff said in local? Pot. Kettle. Black. Someone start a petition to get GM back. I don't even like the guy, but some things are just too far. And a perma-ban for this is one of them. I had no idea that you this many alts GM. You talk about "cowardice" and "knowing he was hotheaded" and petioning for his own gain and not only that, but for narcissism - Please tell me, do you even know what narcissism means? The last thing I'd petition a RL threat for, is narcissism. The guy has a problem with language and openly threatens people left and right. Just because you don't mean the things you don't say, doesn't make you innocent or excuse you from the rules. You are NOT special, and you never will be. Either learn to control your language and hot temper, or suffer the concequences. Guess which one happened to GM. That one has a hot temper, is who's problem?......THATS RIGHT! ITS THEIR OWN FAULT! So saying "oh well I didn't mean it durrrrh", doesn't fly - You shouldn't have said it in the first place dingbat! You say no one is daft enough to go and hurt someone over a game? CLEARLY you haven't been keeping yourself up to date on the news. People have done this crap quite a few times by now. There is also, nothing cowardly about petitioning a guy for making RL threats of any kind, or using abusive language. It's simply against the rules, and if you can't understand that, then you end up banned...yeah, thats right. It's THAT simple - What part of it don't you understand? There is no excuse, not retort, no argument or any such a thing to make it change. Rules, are rules - Please say this to yourself repeatedly for the next 2 hours and maybe you'll start getting it. Ginger Magician is perma-banned, and good riddance - He contributed absolutely nothing useful to the forum, and only served as a loudmouth ingame. Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Templer Relleg Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:48:00 - [195] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else. Just because Ginger has killed u time and again and u would prefer to see him out of game for good does not make his banning justified.I'm sure that CCP will reach the right decision in this matter and see that his ban is not permanent.Octobersnow has already been contacted by an Eve-TV representative to do a story on Ginger. His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense. Such a shame that your writing style gives you away Ginger.
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:49:00 - [196] - Quote Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 12:49:13 Originally by: Jarrell So many of the anti-Ginger posts just disgust the hell out of me. A lot of you people make me sick to my stomach. , you should see the anti tiller eve mails he sends me I campaigned to save ginger once from ban, there be no get out of jail free card this time (well I certainly aint gonna help him get one) Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
Jarrell	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:50:00 - [197] - Quote "Robbed, Podded, betrayed, and perma banned." May Miz do the same to you Tiller. Just remember that you have a wolf by the ears; I hope you don't forget to let go.
Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:51:00 - [198] - Quote Feels like a permaban is harsh, but I'm glad it is. Though I have a bad feeling local chats will turn much more boring with strange randomness comming more seldom and people banning / petitioning eachother left to right. Even outside locals , and if so the case this game will be more boring and "restricted" . I for one couldn't live without getting a flame/hatemail after pwning someone :(
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.06.15 12:52:00 - [199] - Quote Originally by: Cadela Fria I had no idea that you this many alts GM. It's rather shortsighted to think that anyone who sticks up for GM is his alt. I did state that I don't actually like him. I've tried to kill his Moros before. Heck, I may as well call you a Miz Cenuji alt. Dark Flare - Corpus PCG
Jarrell	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:01:00 - [200] - Quote I'd appreciate you not editing my words, Tiller, to prop up your venom.

Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:04:00 - [201] - Quote Originally by: Dark Flare Originally by: Cadela Fria I had no idea that you this many alts GM. It's rather shortsighted to think that anyone who sticks up for GM is his alt. I did state that I don't actually like him. I've tried to kill his Moros before. Heck, I may as well call you a Miz Cenuji alt. Fair enough, i'll go as far as admitting I may have been wrong about that. However the rest of my post still goes. Rules are Rules, no matter what - There are no excuses. Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Nikita Fontaine Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:08:00 - [202] - Quote Ginger Magician is most notoriously known for his use of the Petition Button, i find it most ironic his final demise was by this means. To adapt a quote 'Live by the petition die by the petition' ----------------------------------------------- Great minds think alike but fools seldom differ Directors are like buttons they hold things together.
Zydora	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:10:00 - [203] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Lets be clear.Ginger did not threaten to kill or do any harm of any kind to Miz Cenuij or anyone else. However you did say that he (You, whatever) said that you would find him IRL yes? So, regardless of whether GM would carry that threat out; what in your opinion would be the logically conclusion to finding someone IRL? You can try to defend the wording and lack of details all you like, you've damned yourself simply by admitting to those words in the first place. We're not all idiots here who take ridiculous excuses for what was and wasn't meant at face value, and especially not all morons who will bow down to what you say simply because you are Ginger Magician. Quote: His fame and name in the game are legendary and to ban him for a one line phrase in local is not fair and doesnt make any sense. Mostly for all the wrong reasons, but thanks for writing in. And lets make one thing quite clear, no, you've never heard of me, who the hell am I? Doesn't matter. I don't know you except for forum spouting, so really you don't mean a great deal to me either.
BaDkaRmA158Th	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:10:00 - [204] - Quote Well, this is my first post. Sighs good bye little one, hope life treats you and your kind this way forever. Keep on kickin' to be kicked.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:15:00 - [205] - Quote Dionisius are you seriously saying that Miz should be banned for taunting someone? aside from your insults in that drivvle of a post is that really what you're saying? DE
DEM0H	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:21:00 - [206] - Quote Originally by: Thann Starlinbow This thread delivers!!!!111!1 AAA++++++++! WOULD DEF. DO BUSINESS WITH AGAIN!!!11!1oneone!1elevensies. On a more serious side note, this is quite hilarious. Ginger has the most over-inflated ego I have EVER met and I knew it would catch up to him one day. WTS: All Ginger figurines marked up 500%. /me Starts breathing into a paper bag.
ian666 Minmatar Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:22:00 - [207] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 00:50:01 Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 14/06/2007 23:47:38 Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 14/06/2007 23:38:15 Well where to begin... We started the day enjoying a camp with our mothership pilot Miz Cenuij in Otou and all was well in the world.A few kills a few bits of loot.After another few camps and the usual Snowy pawnage it came to around 6pm and most guys had gone afk for the pub or food or whatever.My dear corpmate Miz says to Ginger that now is the time to transfer the Nyx after agreeing a price of 26bill ealier in the week. Now Miz is an extremely well known scammer and during his 3 months or so in the corp he was involved in at least 3 fake mothership sales netting him around 25-30bill.He claimed that he was tired of the Nyx and willing to sell it to Ginger in order to get himself a titan. After much haggling he agreed to an 8.5bill 1/3 payment where he would then eject Ginger would pay him another 11.5bill to make 20 and the rest over the next 2 weeks when funds allowed.Well this was all agreed and Miz proceeded to gang Ginger and he warped to the safe spot where the Nyx was located.8.5bill was transferred to Miz's account and then Miz proceeded to activate his 4 officer smartbombs and ofc Ginger was pod killed and Octobersnow 8.5bill out of pocket which even for us is a big loss. Tbh we had half expected it and it was worth the risk to have the opportunity of obtaining a Nyx for Ginger. Subsequent to this Ginger proceeded to hunt Miz with his Moros and other corp members cynoing in to 2 different systems whereupon miz would immediately cyno out.Eventually he was tracked to sieside and actually it was found out that he had logged out on HORZA PHLEBAS his alt who he uses for all the scams on nyx sales and this character was now piloting the Nyx with Miz in a curse. Well this was unexpected and Miz was now traced to the hq station in sieside of Kleptomaniacs who at first showed no hostility to me and in convo with their ceo he denied having any affliation with Miz.Tiller u were always a bad liar. After at first holding fire on a snowy cyno alt in an npc corp small ships from Klepto proceeded to destroy the alts probe after Ginger had cynoed in outside their hq. At this point the full scale of the conspiracy became evident and Ginger began engaging Klepto members outside the station with his moros in siege mode.During this combat Miz hid inside the station(get used to it kelpto members). One Klepto drake was destroyed and others ran off. Ofc at this point there was some smack talk in local and not surprisingly Ginger was somewhat angry first of all at his own stupidity for trusting Miz and second of all for the betrayal of Klepto and their ceo. Miz being well aware because of his time in Snowy just what a dastardly enemy Ginger would prove to be immediately petitioned Ginger at the first wrong sentence he unfortunately uttered in the heat of battle. Ginger was just undocking for another go at the Klepto blob when the dread info box popped up concerning forced game disconnection and he knew his fate at once. Upon checking mail the worse fears were confirmed with a message of perma banning. Here ends the story of the day for now.Eve's most famous player banned because of a little scamming coward who doesnt have a 1/10 of his pvp skills or balls. Enjoy your time with Miz klepto members and lets just hope he treats u as well as he treated GM... Great story, OWNED !!! ROFL
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:32:00 - [208] - Quote The real question is, if we gave Ginger a gun, would he go and shoot Miz with it, or would he be too busy shooting himself in the foot with it?
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:40:00 - [209] - Quote Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 13:38:48 Originally by: Kinsy The real question is, if we gave Ginger a gun, would he go and shoot Miz with it, or would he be too busy shooting himself in the foot with it? lmao, he'd actually break it, but his corp m8s would buy him as many new ones as he wanted. Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:48:00 - [210] - Quote Originally by: DarkElf Dionisius are you seriously saying that Miz should be banned for taunting someone? aside from your insults in that drivvle of a post is that really what you're saying? DE Let me answer this to you in the most clear way possible. I have absolutely no respect for people that scam others or smack, and even less than nothing for people that act, write or think that they are "more" than others, the last part includes you. See i don't care much on how cool someone appears, or the direction in wich the mob is runing, and i don't feed my ego like tiller, miz and ginger, even you, based on other peoples ass kissing. Be that in foruns or in game, i play the way i like it and give my opinions when and wherever i want. In this case i think that they BOTH deserve a ban, because what you fail to see is that Ginger is just a nutcase that vented off his agression by making an idle threat, the point is that others may not got it? Baning both would show that the behaviour shown by either part is not tolerated has there is a severe lack of respect for other gamers. So excuse me if i stand by what i think is right, if i don't kiss your ass like many, or agree with tiller and others just because its funny and gives me a cool apearance in the foruns, and happen to think more than 2 minutes ahead in the future. Perhaps taunting isn't the right word to describe the situation but you got my point and if you have any problem with my reply then boohoo, i couldn't care less. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...

Psyco Groupie Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:51:00 - [211] - Quote Originally by: tiller lmao, he'd actually break it, but his corp m8s would buy him as many new ones as he wanted. lol
Purgatori Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:52:00 - [212] - Quote Edited by: Purgatori on 15/06/2007 13:51:34 tbh i think it sucks that someones gaming experience should be ruined in such a way.. its ccp's fault for having stupid game mechanics when it comes to trading of supercaps... ccp dont even recongnise that its a scam.. and instead seem to encourage it
Lumy Eve University	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:53:00 - [213] - Quote Yay! Now, please, someone somehow make Miz to get himself banned and world will be perfect!
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:56:00 - [214] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Miz Cenuij As for the few people who arnt Snowy alts saying its too much that he recieved a ban for making a RL threat, let me put it this way.. I coudnt care if he tries to find me in RL, he doesnt scare me in the slightest, however this kind of threat may well intimidate someone who has kids etc, resulting in stress etc etc (should they move homes now or later?). THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Furthermore there were a lot of people in local at the time, some of whom are no doubt in the above situation and do not wish to expose themselves or thier families to a person who so calmly makes RL threats. It is not the first time he has been warned and the if indeed he has been banned he should consider himself lucky that it was only the Ginger acount and not Crom's account as well. I would ban you for creating the hole situation and making it lead to the mess it did. You helped into making those threats as in you taunted ginger after robbing him, worst you knew how he would react so you kept on going. And BS to your concern about people's families, you didn't show the same concern you are invoking now when you started the situation. Very true! I hope he got petitioned because it is a very clear case of harassment. If this isn't harassing then I don't know what else is. Further more it is obviously a gross abuse of the petition system which in itself deserves a ban. The whole stuff about families, kids etc. is complete nonsense and only a very poor excuse for his own stupid griefing: if someone isn't offended then he shouldn't be allowed to petition! I hope that such obviously psychopathic players will be forced to leave Eve sooner or later. This type of player absolutely NOT improve Eve or make it a more interesting world, in no way. Also I really hope that senior GMs will look upon this case and in general petitions by this Miz guy. It seems to me that he likes to abuse the petition system for his own purposes.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:57:00 - [215] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: DarkElf Dionisius are you seriously saying that Miz should be banned for taunting someone? aside from your insults in that drivvle of a post is that really what you're saying? DE Let me answer this to you in the most clear way possible. I have absolutely no respect for people that scam others or smack, and even less than nothing for people that act, write or think that they are "more" than others, the last part includes you. See i don't care much on how cool someone appears, or the direction in wich the mob is runing, and i don't feed my ego like tiller, miz and ginger, even you, based on other peoples ass kissing. Be that in foruns or in game, i play the way i like it and give my opinions when and wherever i want. In this case i think that they BOTH deserve a ban, because what you fail to see is that Ginger is just a nutcase that vented off his agression by making an idle threat, the point is that others may not got it? Baning both would show that the behaviour shown by either part is not tolerated has there is a severe lack of respect for other gamers. So excuse me if i stand by what i think is right, if i don't kiss your ass like many, or agree with tiller and others just because its funny and gives me a cool apearance in the foruns, and happen to think more than 2 minutes ahead in the future. Perhaps taunting isn't the right word to describe the situation but you got my point and if you have any problem with my reply then boohoo, i couldn't care less. Ok i think the first thing you need to do is sit down and have a nice relaxing drink of tea. Put your feet up, maybe see a professional and allocate some time to your feelings, you're in a safe place. There is nothing to worry about, wooooooo saaaaaaaa You seem to be getting soooooo anxious over this and i have no clue why. Possibly what you fail to see is that people being respectful to pvp'ers who have been around since the beginning of this game is not ass kissing. Insulting myself and many others now on several occasions is however pretty low. Now as regards to the issue it really has no relavance what you think of scamming. i personally don't really like or agree with it but it does not break any rules, nothing miz did broke rules. What GM did broke the rules in a big way. It really is that simple. DE
Paniq Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:58:00 - [216] - Quote I was told I should come to this thread to buy motherships? Can't but admire how it resembles poetry. Very bad poetry, but still.
Jarrell	Posted - 2007.06.15 13:58:00 - [217] - Quote "Robbed, Podded, betrayed, and perma banned." CCP needs to show some mercy.
Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:01:00 - [218] - Quote Originally by: Jarrell "Robbed, Podded, betrayed, and perma banned." CCP needs to show some mercy. Just like you would have done it though, isn't it?
Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:05:00 - [219] - Quote Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 14:11:37 Originally by: Dionisius Let me answer this to you in the most clear way possible. I have absolutely no respect for people that scam others or smack, and even less than nothing for people that act, write or think that they are "more" than others, the last part includes you. Being more then Ginger magician ain't that hard. Besides, thats your personal problem, how does that really concern anyone but you? Originally by: Dionisius See i don't care much on how cool someone appears, or the direction in wich the mob is runing, and i don't feed my ego like tiller, miz and ginger, even you, based on other peoples ass kissing. Be that in foruns or in game, i play the way i like it and give my opinions when and wherever i want. I thought you said you didn't like people with a "holier then thou" attitude. Ohhh I get it, you hate yourself! You're one of them thar emo people. Tsk tsk tsk..you'll grow out of it one day, you'll see. Originally by: Dionisius In this case i think that they BOTH deserve a ban, because what you fail to see is that Ginger is just a nutcase that vented off his agression by making an idle threat, the point is that others may not got it? Miz didn't break any rules, so why should he be banned? Ginger Magician broke the rules, AGAIN, and got punished accordingly - What part of that eludes you? There's no excuse for it, no exception, no circumstantial consideration for someone's personality. If your personality is such that you end up breaking the rules, you get punished accordingly. Originally by: Dionisius Baning both would show that the behaviour shown by either part is not tolerated has there is a severe lack of respect for other gamers. If you want to start punishing people for your definition of "Lack of respect for other gamers", then there'd be a lot of banned people right now. Including yourself for the comments you made against DarkElf - Sound like a good idea? I didn't think so, now please start thinking before posting. Originally by: Dionisius So excuse me if i stand by what i think is right, if i don't kiss your ass like many, or agree with tiller and others just because its funny and gives me a cool apearance in the foruns, and happen to think more than 2 minutes ahead in the future. Excuse us for not being as supreme as you, oh mighty Dionisius - Wait didn't we already talking about the whole "being superior" thing was something you hated with a passion?. You're making yourself look stupid, and I don't understand why. EDIT: Oh lol, sorry what was that about thinking ahead more then 2 minutes? I didn't quite catch that Originally by: Dionisius Perhaps taunting isn't the right word to describe the situation but you got my point and if you have any problem with my reply then boohoo, i couldn't care less. Playing a tough guy now, well that certainly helps your credibility. Oh wait..it doesn't! No one got your point and no matter how often you repeat yourself, nobody will. Rules are rules are rules. Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Gungankllr Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:05:00 - [220] - Quote There are people that are "different" that add flavor to the game, just by their little quirks they make the game more fun. Ginger was never one of those people. By all accounts he was just an immature, bratty attention seeking gump that did everything he could to provoke people into doing something stupid so he could petition them. Every account I have read on the forums, and seen in local over the last couple of years show me that Eve is better off without him.

tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:06:00 - [221] - Quote Yes ban all those who smartbomb pods.... oh wait a sec... Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:06:00 - [222] - Quote This thread promises to amuse me for at least 2 more hours while I'm at work. Please keep it coming, folks! This is better than COAD (I hate politics.)
BobMoo22	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:09:00 - [223] - Quote The perma-ban must have really hurt ginger's ego. He won't even refer to himself in first-person anymore
Purgatori Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:13:00 - [224] - Quote miz you should work for a newspaper mate.. you seem to be able to make up quite believable bs on the spot mate
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:13:00 - [225] - Quote Originally by: Thann Starlinbow This thread promises to amuse me for at least 2 more hours while I'm at work. Please keep it coming, folks! This is better than COAD (I hate politics.) I'm in til 8pm. hoping it will entertain until then DE
Rawrior	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:17:00 - [226] - Quote Originally by: Thann Starlinbow This thread promises to amuse me for at least 2 more hours while I'm at work. Please keep it coming, folks! This is better than COAD (I hate politics.) indeed very entertaining ^^ /me goes back to getting station camped
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:25:00 - [227] - Quote Originally by: BobMoo22 The perma-ban must have really hurt ginger's ego. He won't even refer to himself in first-person anymore where the thing with miz, the gun and his feet is coming up again.... _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:27:00 - [228] - Quote Originally by: DarkElf I'm in til 8pm. hoping it will entertain until then DE I think that might be stretching it, DE. Even Ginger threads.. although this one is better than most.. have their amusement factor limit. But if you get bored, we can play a rousing game of EVE: Forum Warriors, like the guys over in COAD! Pew pew, my Sleipnir strikes your e-peen for OMGWTFBBQ damage!
Flashh Gorden Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:32:00 - [229] - Quote Edited by: Flashh Gorden on 15/06/2007 14:32:24 Like him or loath him. Ginger was a charachter. The game needs charachters, even if its only to whine about or flame on the boards. When I first started playing EvE years ago there were threads about him and 3 years later its the same. I think its a sad way to lose a charchter like this. Over the years I have played many online games involving pvp, I have lost count of the times I have been threatened by angry people you have just killed online or caused severe time loss too. While I have found it amusing at times to have people ranting and raving at me,I also remember the amount of times that I myself have been boiling over inside. Never in a million years has it crossed my mind to try and get somone who lets face it is in a state most of us have all been in once or twice banned. Smack talk threats and verbal abuse ect are present in most online games while I dont indulge or condone it some smack I have seen in local channels is quite amusing. Bottom line is, what happens in game happens you scamed him, he threatened you big deal. Dont go crying to f**king GMs about it. Your like some pathetic school kid grassing people up.
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:35:00 - [230] - Quote Originally by: Flashh Gorden Edited by: Flashh Gorden on 15/06/2007 14:32:24 Like him or loath him. Ginger was a charachter. The game needs charachters, even if its only to whine about or flame on the boards. When I first started playing EvE years ago there were threads about him and 3 years later its the same. I think its a sad way to lose a charchter like this. Over the years I have played many online games involving pvp, I have lost count of the times I have been threatened by angry people you have just killed online or caused severe time loss too. While I have found it amusing at times to have people ranting and raving at me,I also remember the amount of times that I myself have been boiling over inside. Never in a million years has it crossed my mind to try and get somone who lets face it is in a state most of us have all been in once or twice banned. Smack talk threats and verbal abuse ect are present in most online games while I dont indulge or condone it some smack I have seen in local channels is quite amusing. Bottom line is, what happens in game happens you scamed him, he threatened you big deal. Dont go crying to f*king GMs about it. Your like some pathetic school kid grassing people up. Amen _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin*

Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:36:00 - [231] - Quote Originally by: Flashh Gorden Your like some pathetic school kid grassing people up. We already knew this was the name of their game ^^
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:37:00 - [232] - Quote Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 14:11:37 Originally by: Dionisius Let me answer this to you in the most clear way possible. I have absolutely no respect for people that scam others or smack, and even less than nothing for people that act, write or think that they are "more" than others, the last part includes you. Being more then Ginger magician ain't that hard. Besides, thats your personal problem, how does that really concern anyone but you? Originally by: Dionisius See i don't care much on how cool someone appears, or the direction in wich the mob is runing, and i don't feed my ego like tiller, miz and ginger, even you, based on other peoples ass kissing. Be that in foruns or in game, i play the way i like it and give my opinions when and wherever i want. I thought you said you didn't like people with a "holier then thou" attitude. Ohhh I get it, you hate yourself! You're one of them thar emo people. Tsk tsk tsk..you'll grow out of it one day, you'll see. Originally by: Dionisius In this case i think that they BOTH deserve a ban, because what you fail to see is that Ginger is just a nutcase that vented off his agression by making an idle threat, the point is that others may not got it? Miz didn't break any rules, so why should he be banned? Ginger Magician broke the rules, AGAIN, and got punished accordingly - What part of that eludes you? There's no excuse for it, no exception, no circumstantial consideration for someone's personality. If your personality is such that you end up breaking the rules, you get punished accordingly. Originally by: Dionisius Baning both would show that the behaviour shown by either part is not tolerated has there is a severe lack of respect for other gamers. If you want to start punishing people for your definition of "Lack of respect for other gamers", then there'd be a lot of banned people right now. Including yourself for the comments you made against DarkElf - Sound like a good idea? I didn't think so, now please start thinking before posting. Originally by: Dionisius So excuse me if i stand by what i think is right, if i don't kiss your ass like many, or agree with tiller and others just because its funny and gives me a cool apearance in the foruns, and happen to think more than 2 minutes ahead in the future. Excuse us for not being as supreme as you, oh mighty Dionisius - Wait didn't we already talking about the whole "being superior" thing was something you hated with a passion?. You're making yourself look stupid, and I don't understand why. EDIT: Oh lol, sorry what was that about thinking ahead more then 2 minutes? I didn't quite catch that Originally by: Dionisius Perhaps taunting isn't the right word to describe the situation but you got my point and if you have any problem with my reply then boohoo, i couldn't care less. Playing a tough guy now, well that certainly helps your credibility. Oh wait..it doesn't! No one got your point and no matter how often you repeat yourself, nobody will. Rules are rules are rules. Antiguity doesn't give you the right to scorn other players and feed your own ego, DarkElf does this every now and then, i was just making clear that i don't care what he thinks on that matter, i don't feed egos, not his, certainly not yours and i don't take lessons from someone that also robbed its own corp and came to the foruns posting some sorry excuse. Strangely enough you feel offended by something that doesn't concern you, again you fail to think more than 2 minutes ahead, you just couldn't keep this pile of rubbish to yourself and had to post your support towards your little friend to look cool. Again if DE feels offended, F12, if you feel offended F12 again and don't make me waste my time with reading useless replys. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:37:00 - [233] - Quote Originally by: Flashh Gorden Never in a million years has it crossed my mind to try and get somone who lets face it is in a state most of us have all been in once or twice banned. Smack talk threats and verbal abuse ect are present in most online games while I dont indulge or condone it some smack I have seen in local channels is quite amusing. Bottom line is, what happens in game happens you scamed him, he threatened you big deal. Dont go crying to fking GMs about it. Your like some pathetic school kid grassing people up. Speak for yourself. I've played EVE for 3 years and haven't been banned ever. The rules are the rules are the rule. No excuse for that - If you can't adhere to the rules, you deserve to be punished. Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right**
Velsharoon Gallente Endgame.	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:39:00 - [234] - Quote Someone petition cromar to be banned to. It would amuse me but im to lazy to do it myself.
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:42:00 - [235] - Quote So what's happening to your stuff? Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
Kehmor Caldari The Movement	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:45:00 - [236] - Quote I haven't read the 8 pages, but im suprised that in the first few no tin foil hats came out. Weren't there rumours about Miz being a GM? The Movement is recruiting!
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:45:00 - [237] - Quote Originally by: Paniq I was told I should come to this thread to buy motherships? Can't but admire how it resembles poetry. Very bad poetry, but still. Don't trust this man to get you a cape hes a scammer
Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:49:00 - [238] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius Antiguity doesn't give you the right to scorn other players and feed your own ego, DarkElf does this every now and then, i was just making clear that i don't care what he thinks on that matter, i don't feed egos, not his, certainly not yours and i don't take lessons from someone that also robbed its own corp and came to the foruns posting some sorry excuse. Strangely enough you feel offended by something that doesn't concern you, again you fail to think more than 2 minutes ahead, you just couldn't keep this pile of rubbish to yourself and had to post your support towards your little friend to look cool. Again if DE feels offended, F12, if you feel offended F12 again and don't make me waste my time with reading useless replys. I didn't make an excuse for my actions - Not then, and not now, so maybe you should do yourself a favor of actually take lessons from someone like me Offended? The only thing you have offended is common sense. No, I'm afraid the only thing you have managed to do to me, is make me laugh. As for "not being able to keep this pile of rubbish to myself and supporting my little friend DE". Heres a little newsflash for you - I barely even know DE, much less care about what he says or does, thats entirely up to him. I post on behalf of myself and nobody else. I post because I want to and because I have an opinion based on an observation of your hypocrisy combined with the factual knowledge that make up the EVE rules. Now what was it again about you talking about thinking "2 minutes ahead" ? Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:50:00 - [239] - Quote Originally by: Purgatori miz you should work for a newspaper mate.. you seem to be able to make up quite believable bs on the spot mate GMs don't act on what you tell them, they act on facts. In this case, they will have read all the chat logs in the case and ruled based on that, NOT based on what Miz said. So essentially, your point is irrelevant unless the GMs aren't doing their job properly. I do know that some GMs DON'T do their job properly and we could indeed see Ginger Magician back in game having evaded a second permanant ban. I personally hope that he stays banned because the game is a lot better off without him but let's not kid ourselves that a ban of one of his accounts will get rid of him. He'll stick around with his alt Crom'ar and will probably buy a new capital character anyway. The issue I have is whether or not a ban issued against someone for harassment and abuse in breach of the EULA should be levied against the account that the person was on when they committed the act or against the person themselves, thus extending to his alt accounts and forbiding him from starting new ones. Essentially, I'm wondering if being banned for repeated verbal abuse in-game means that he personally isn't allowed to play eve any more. I've filed a petition to ask GMs what the answer is but don't expect a timely response. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 14:55:00 - [240] - Quote Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Dionisius Antiguity doesn't give you the right to scorn other players and feed your own ego, DarkElf does this every now and then, i was just making clear that i don't care what he thinks on that matter, i don't feed egos, not his, certainly not yours and i don't take lessons from someone that also robbed its own corp and came to the foruns posting some sorry excuse. Strangely enough you feel offended by something that doesn't concern you, again you fail to think more than 2 minutes ahead, you just couldn't keep this pile of rubbish to yourself and had to post your support towards your little friend to look cool. Again if DE feels offended, F12, if you feel offended F12 again and don't make me waste my time with reading useless replys. I didn't make an excuse for my actions - Not then, and not now, so maybe you should do yourself a favor of actually take lessons from someone like me Offended? The only thing you have offended is common sense. No, I'm afraid the only thing you have managed to do to me, is make me laugh. As for "not being able to keep this pile of rubbish to myself and supporting my little friend DE". Heres a little newsflash for you - I barely even know DE, much less care about what he says or does, thats entirely up to him. I post on behalf of myself and nobody else. I post because I want to and because I have an opinion based on an observation of your hypocrisy combined with the factual knowledge that make up the EVE rules. Now what was it again about you talking about thinking "2 minutes ahead" ? Strange thing to come in defense of someone you don't know and yet you acuse me off breaking the rules and offending someone. I am no hipocrit nor do i throw bs at other peoples faces excusing one wrong doing with another. And certainly i didn't get into this thread waving the victim or authority flag. Makes me sick the fact that some people enter here and actually excuse the actions of one player in detriment of another just because most people hold a biased opinion him. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...

Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:01:00 - [241] - Quote Can you two just break it off? Its not relevant nor interesting to others
Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:02:00 - [242] - Quote Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 15:01:52 Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: Dionisius Antiguity doesn't give you the right to scorn other players and feed your own ego, DarkElf does this every now and then, i was just making clear that i don't care what he thinks on that matter, i don't feed egos, not his, certainly not yours and i don't take lessons from someone that also robbed its own corp and came to the foruns posting some sorry excuse. Strangely enough you feel offended by something that doesn't concern you, again you fail to think more than 2 minutes ahead, you just couldn't keep this pile of rubbish to yourself and had to post your support towards your little friend to look cool. Again if DE feels offended, F12, if you feel offended F12 again and don't make me waste my time with reading useless replys. I didn't make an excuse for my actions - Not then, and not now, so maybe you should do yourself a favor of actually take lessons from someone like me Offended? The only thing you have offended is common sense. No, I'm afraid the only thing you have managed to do to me, is make me laugh. As for "not being able to keep this pile of rubbish to myself and supporting my little friend DE". Heres a little newsflash for you - I barely even know DE, much less care about what he says or does, thats entirely up to him. I post on behalf of myself and nobody else. I post because I want to and because I have an opinion based on an observation of your hypocrisy combined with the factual knowledge that make up the EVE rules. Now what was it again about you talking about thinking "2 minutes ahead" ? Strange thing to come in defense of someone you don't know and yet you acuse me off breaking the rules and offending someone. I am no hipocrit nor do i throw bs at other peoples faces excusing one wrong doing with another. And certainly i didn't get into this thread waving the victim or authority flag. Makes me sick the fact that some people enter here and actually excuse the actions of one player in detriment of another just because most people hold a biased opinion him. LOL WHAT??? This is a waste of time, and it's derailing the thread, so one last time: I never accused you of breaking the rules, learn2read ftw? dingbat. I don't care who a person is, if I think someone is wrong about what they're saying, I will say so, no matter who I might be defending, sorry bub. And yes, you ARE a hypocrite, you claim you hate people who think they are "over" someone else - Yet here you are, like I pointed out in every example in my previous post, spouting on how holy you are and how bad they are - THAT is hypocrisy. If you still don't get it, go look it up. You came in here saying they should both be banned, that to me sounds like an attempt at authority. I have made no excuses on anyone's behalf, not yours, not DE's, not anyone. Proof or stfu. You really should learn to read and think before you post. NOW! Back to topic, GM is gone, and good riddance. Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:05:00 - [243] - Quote
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:10:00 - [244] - Quote Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Originally by: DarkElf I'm in til 8pm. hoping it will entertain until then DE I think that might be stretching it, DE. Even Ginger threads.. although this one is better than most.. have their amusement factor limit. But if you get bored, we can play a rousing game of EVE: Forum Warriors, like the guys over in COAD! Pew pew, my Sleipnir strikes your e-peen for OMGWTFBBQ damage! Deal DE
Clara Mismer	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:13:00 - [245] - Quote Originally by: Jarrell "Robbed, Podded, betrayed, and perma banned." Is that frakin' right! I think people need to put their unbridled jealousy of Ginger aside and instead look at the facts of this particular case. Everyone knows that the Kleptos have a serious axe to grind with him. Mercy needs to be practicied here for an individual who has put four years of hardwork into the building of a character. Is it right to revel in his situation simply because so many of us have lost ships to him? Losing ships is part of the game. Ginger never scammed anyone as far as I know. Miz is the biggest scammer in the entire game. Should that be a part of gaming dynamics? There needs to be some fairplay here shown by CCP. If anyone should be punished, it should be the dishonorable scammers that make Eve more like the Eastend than anything else! Wow - huffing paint is bad for you "The more you know" Scamming while a total pant load is permissable as long as no game dynamics are abused to do it. Threatening people is not okay - GM's respond to petitions - A petition was filed and the conduct ruled - Not acceptable in this game The options are to escalate the petition, or accept the ruleing.
Miz Cenuij kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:13:00 - [246] - Quote smacktastic thread. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Shaemell Buttleson Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:13:00 - [247] - Quote No idea what happened really and TBH i don't really care. but I have to ask this.. Why perma ban characters but not the account holder? If someone had an account for example lets say with a builders merchant and they didn't pay up or stole from that merchant and the account was suspended or deleted do you really think that the same person would be able to open another and still use the same merchants? I don't think so some how and if they did it would be under false pretenses if they pulled it off! Your signature was inappropriate, email mods@ccpgames.com to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
DiggerDan77	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:17:00 - [248] - Quote Originally by: BaDkaRmA158Th Edited by: BaDkaRmA158Th on 15/06/2007 13:14:20 And to think thru it all you could goto bed with a smile on your face shows what a miserable person you must be in life. After reading this lengthy thread, I see a buttload of miserable peeps.
Clara Mismer	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:19:00 - [249] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius The point in here is that like in real life no one likes to be scamed, played as a jackass and worst humiliated in front of a crowd, and that leads us to Miz and Gingers situation. Miz "knew" Ginger, and knew how he would respond to this action, he added insult to injury after, reaping off 8Bil and poding ginger, then he proceeds to taunt Ginger in front of an audience ( locals of whatever system they were in ). Any normal person push to the edge will respond in a similar faction than ginger, only problem here is that the people that provoked this weren't held acountable for their actions and worst they gloat and have a crowd of monkeys aplauding a very sad situation. Comprende now? The point is in real life if I was called to a scene and heard one party in a dispute threaten the life or health of the other party - the one making the threat goes to jail or the mental ward. Yes I agree that people can be provoked IF THEY CHOOSE TO BE, yes it's an old saying but it takes two to tango. Just because he was alledgedlly being called names or taunted is not a reason to threaten another person in real life over a game issue. no matter how cool of a game it is - it is still just a game, mabey a good long session out in the sun or doing other things will be good for the O.P..
Arch'Angel	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:22:00 - [250] - Quote I can't find the suitable font size to write an appropriate LOL! The NUMERO UNO in everything you heard/do/know in Eve Online morphed into a forum juggler, the pathetic fool who can't hold his thoughts to himself(unplug the keyboard next time, or write what you want to say in local in a wordpad doc). Way to go, you look worse than a freshly gng-bnged cheerleader. Miz got you big time and you know this better than anyone... I give you 1/3 chance to get yourself outta this, even if as far as I've known you, I have noticed that your social/diplomatic skills are very good and you are also very experienced in bringing arguments/negotiating. But he has a strong argument against you... rl threats re-directed to family, kids etc it's heavy :))))))) But you're a smart guy, as far as I have seen, you already started the unbanning campaign...lol it started with this Topic. Anyway even if you get banned there's always a way to start over. You know that your corp will go bye bye much like your control over the Rancer area :) I'll send you some printscreens when I get a chance : Klepto family portrait on Miro gate in Rancer =)) Good Luck Your truly friend, the only one actually! Akhen LOL PS: Crom is Ginger, and this is not a hunch! but the nice twist is that you can't prove it even if Ginger and Crom have the same ip :) He has the argument ready for it :) So stop chasing dreams :))))))))

Akhen Aton Gallente kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:24:00 - [251] - Quote I can't find the suitable font size to write an appropriate LOL! The NUMERO UNO in everything you heard/do/know in Eve Online morphed into a forum juggler, the pathetic fool who can't hold his thoughts to himself(unplug the keyboard next time, or write what you want to say in local in a wordpad doc). Way to go, you look worse than a freshly gng-bnged cheerleader. Miz got you big time and you know this better than anyone... I give you 1/3 chance to get yourself outta this, even if as far as I've known you, I have noticed that your social/diplomatic skills are very good and you are also very experienced in bringing arguments/negotiating. But he has a strong argument against you... rl threats re-directed to family, kids etc it's heavy :))))))) But you're a smart guy, as far as I have seen, you already started the unbanning campaign...lol it started with this Topic. Anyway even if you get banned there's always a way to start over. You know that your corp will go bye bye much like your control over the Rancer area :) I'll send you some printscreens when I get a chance : Klepto family portrait on Miro gate in Rancer =)) Good Luck Your truly friend, the only one actually! Akhen LOL PS: Crom is Ginger, and this is not a hunch! but the nice twist is that you can't prove it even if Ginger and Crom have the same ip :) He has the argument ready for it :) So stop chasing dreams :)))))))) =================================
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:28:00 - [252] - Quote LOL Ginger was a complete simpleton. This dosen't come as a surprise. This game should come with a disclaimer, "must have above a 90 IQ to operate". I mean it dosen't take much to understand that you shouldn't make death threats over a computer game does it? Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
Justin TimberIake	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:31:00 - [253] - Quote this is rather funny. especially after ginger petitioned to ban me a week ago, because apparently i was griefing him.. HAHAHA
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:34:00 - [254] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius Strange thing to come in defense of someone you don't know and yet you acuse me off breaking the rules and offending someone. I am no hipocrit nor do i throw bs at other peoples faces excusing one wrong doing with another. And certainly i didn't get into this thread waving the victim or authority flag. Makes me sick the fact that some people enter here and actually excuse the actions of one player in detriment of another just because most people hold a biased opinion him. WOOOOOOOO SAAAAAAAAA DE
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:41:00 - [255] - Quote Originally by: DarkElf Deal DE Dude, nine pages already and it's not even lunchtime yet. I think I underestimated this thread! Now taking all bets on how many pages this thread gets to before today is over. 5m isk starting bet! I'll take 15.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:45:00 - [256] - Quote As it stands Ginger is still banned and is unable to petition because he cannot access any aspect of the eve web site cause his account is banned.He has replied to the ban email sent to his email address but has not received any response so far. If anyone has any further suggestions that would be appreciated.The chat logs of this incident have been saved and ofc it is wrong to ask for special favours for any character but I dont think many other characters in Eve would generate a 9 page and counting thread about one incident. I feel that more then one GM needs to look at this in any event.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:52:00 - [257] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev If anyone has any further suggestions that would be appreciated. World of Warcraft, maybe? Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 15:59:00 - [258] - Quote Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Crom'ar Lev If anyone has any further suggestions that would be appreciated. World of Warcraft, maybe? hello kitty online ? Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:01:00 - [259] - Quote Originally by: tiller hello kitty online ? God, no. Think of the children! Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:05:00 - [260] - Quote Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 16:05:44 Well it seems Crom is banned as well now.Congrats to all the petitioners who have now got all my accounts banned and I am totally unable to play Eve anymore.Maybe Goonfleet were right. Goodbye.........

hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:08:00 - [261] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev ofc it is wrong to ask for special favours for any character but I dont think many other characters in Eve would generate a 9 page and counting thread about one incident. Yes, 9 pages of people laughing at you and one page (it's now 10) of your alt(s) posting in third person. Nice one. Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:09:00 - [262] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Maybe Goonfleet were right. OMG CONSPIRACY, CALL ARKANON Quote: Goodbye......... /wrists. Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat.
Psyco Groupie Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:12:00 - [263] - Quote Originally by: hUssmann /wrists. Don't say that, they might unban him being a self confessed loner and all that stuff.
Thews Mortaza Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:12:00 - [264] - Quote Yo Ginger! "I've got a bridge to sell you" ...
Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:14:00 - [265] - Quote Originally by: tiller Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Crom'ar Lev If anyone has any further suggestions that would be appreciated. World of Warcraft, maybe? hello kitty online ? There are kittens in space
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:17:00 - [266] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Ginger Magician...Eve's most famous player Who?
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:19:00 - [267] - Quote Originally by: Bein Glorious Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Ginger Magician...Eve's most famous player ... is history! +++ JOIN PAP +++
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:22:00 - [268] - Quote Dionisus and co, you peeps need to take a step back and think about what you are saying, seriously. It makes zero sense. It's basically saying that a woman who was raped is as guilty as the rapist because "She asked for it; look at what she's wearing!" There is nothing, I say again, nothing that justifies death threats, no matter how much taunting was done by the other party. To say that Miz is as guilty as Ginger is utter stupidity. Oh, and as for attacking DE's character: lol? He's one of the most level-headed and helpful posters on the Eve-O forums. 'nuff said.
DgO4 Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:22:00 - [269] - Quote my post in this epic thread. yay <_< We are the pilgrims, Master, We will always go a little farther.....
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:23:00 - [270] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev As it stands Ginger is still banned and is unable to petition because he cannot access any aspect of the eve web site cause his account is banned.He has replied to the ban email sent to his email address but has not received any response so far. If anyone has any further suggestions that would be appreciated.The chat logs of this incident have been saved and ofc it is wrong to ask for special favours for any character but I dont think many other characters in Eve would generate a 9 page and counting thread about one incident. I feel that more then one GM needs to look at this in any event. Take is as a real Minmatar and enjoy your reallife. So say we all! Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++

Yorick Downe	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:25:00 - [271] - Quote Edited by: Yorick Downe on 15/06/2007 16:26:39 Originally by: Multanemo I strongly urge that everyone look past their personal hatered for Ginger Magician. My G-d, I don't think there is a person in this game who has not been naughty in local with threats and explatives. Do not throw stones at glass houses! I'll be the first to cast that particular stone, then. There is a line to be drawn, and it's not a particularly fine or subtle line. If an AU member smacktalked using RL insults, directors would come down on him like a (metric) ton of bricks. If an AU member threatened RL bodily harm - or as in that case, if comments are to be believed, death - they'd be out of the corp so fast their heads would spin. There's a good many players who are able to play EvE without blowing a fuse in Local every time their assortment of pixels gets blown up. I salute those players. Thanks, you make the game fun. Let's put this in perspective. Threatening harm to a person - not their toon or their isk, mind you, the person - is "Assault", as part of the "Assault and Battery" duo. Yeah, that could be argued in court - part of the "Assault" part is that the threat has to be imminent, and the victim has to believe that the threat could be carried out - but the courts have been very liberal indeed in recent years with interpreting verbal threats as "Assault". So we're looking at a potential felony here. Which carries a statutory sentence of up to 6 months in prison and/or a 5000 pound fine, in the UK. This is no small matter. CCP did the only thing they could do: Permaban the player. Bringing criminal suit is not something CCP can do, but is an option for the threatened player. Tackling this another way: EvE is a game. Keep threats in game. The moment it spills out into RL, it gets way too intense, and frankly frightening. That kind of fanaticism is not something that should be treated lightly.
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:26:00 - [272] - Quote CCP, for banning Ginger you are back at square one, from being in the negative. Congratulations. - Recruitment open again-
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:26:00 - [273] - Quote Edited by: zwerg on 15/06/2007 16:25:33 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 16:05:44 Well it seems Crom is banned as well now.Congrats to all the petitioners who have now got all my accounts banned and I am totally unable to play Eve anymore.Maybe Goonfleet were right. Goodbye......... do not expect me to be even a bit sad, the thing with " i ** you up you lil german " is still in my mind... or " stfu you ***** dwat " maybe my lil sister soon tells me there is a crazy man shouting on her on hello kitty ts _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin
Psyco Groupie Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:30:00 - [274] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 16:05:44 Well it seems Crom is banned as well now.Congrats to all the petitioners who have now got all my accounts banned and I am totally unable to play Eve anymore.Maybe Goonfleet were right. Goodbye......... Couldn't have happened to a nicer person. Your generosity to your corp mates and contribution to the eve community will be remembered forever. Thankyou Ginger Magician. sarcasm
Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:33:00 - [275] - Quote Originally by: zwerg Edited by: zwerg on 15/06/2007 16:25:33 do not expect me to be even a bit sad, the thing with " i ** you up you lil german " is still in my mind... or " stfu you *** dwat " ** ...he called you a german? OMG!
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:35:00 - [276] - Quote Originally by: zwerg maybe my lil sister soon tells me there is a crazy man shouting on her on hello kitty ts
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:36:00 - [277] - Quote Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 16:36:40 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 16:05:44 Well it seems Crom is banned as well now.Congrats to all the petitioners who have now got all my accounts banned and I am totally unable to play Eve anymore.Maybe Goonfleet were right. Goodbye......... That is abit tough m8 tbh.... I do know you were mad but even so you should of known that if CCP read your local chatter it would come to that. btw, I dont think anyone petitioned you except for adding roles to a guy who wanted to leave. GM was in local when you typed, end of story. Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
Psyco Groupie Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:39:00 - [278] - Quote Edited by: Psyco Groupie on 15/06/2007 16:40:31 has gingers mistress been banned as well ? Who takes over the once thriving Octobersnow corp ?
General Coochie Gallente New Justice Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:39:00 - [279] - Quote Originally by: Miz Cenuij smacktastic thread. I agree best read in a long time lol. Nice scam to :) I do feel getting perma-banned is a bit top notch but rules are rules. Dionisius man take a chill pill. Your into your arguement as if it was a matter of life and death. oh and IBTL. Cause this thread is jsut going downhill the last 2 pages.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:40:00 - [280] - Quote Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Maybe Goonfleet were right. You heard it here first, folks: Miz Cenuij -> SirMolle's alt.

Lady Natacha Minmatar Water and Power	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:40:00 - [281] - Quote This thread delivers.. Sucks to get hit with the banzor stick no matter who you are though.
Akhen Aton Gallente kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:41:00 - [282] - Quote Originally by: zwerg Edited by: zwerg on 15/06/2007 16:25:33 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 15/06/2007 16:05:44 Well it seems Crom is banned as well now.Congrats to all the petitioners who have now got all my accounts banned and I am totally unable to play Eve anymore.Maybe Goonfleet were right. Goodbye......... do not expect me to be even a bit sad, the thing with " i ** you up you lil german " is still in my mind... or " stfu you ***** dwat " maybe my lil sister soon tells me there is a crazy man shouting on her on hello kitty ts Still trying to find the higher font size to type that LOL! :))) Ginger aka Crom I am proudly announcing you that the "romanian gipsy" is now convinced by the fact that you will not play eve with GM or Crom at least for a while. :) Have a nice day... well I think you just had a great day, so enjoy it till the end. You got a couple of hours ahead, and by the way... I can take my machariel from Miro now, I wanted to keep it there and pwn some SNOWY acolytes =) Fly safe(try not to smoke first) Your truly friend, probably the only one! Akhen LOL =================================
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:43:00 - [283] - Quote so he got kicked while undocking so did he loses teh dread while banned? as for banning him for smacking in local hello he just got scammed think it should have been let slide but no ******** ass monkey gms ohh ohh banstick snip Sas has spoken this tread shall be locked.
Mando Riathia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:45:00 - [284] - Quote Edited by: Mando Riathia on 15/06/2007 16:50:07 Edited by: Mando Riathia on 15/06/2007 16:46:38 Ginger scammed and banned,well that made me grin for a minute at least! Guys a noob killing griefer in my personal opinion, glad hes gone. (based on personal observations thanks for the correspondence)
Lt Angus Caldari OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:49:00 - [285] - Quote Dread is safe and sound in the land of the damned Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.15 16:51:00 - [286] - Quote Edited by: Patch86 on 15/06/2007 16:51:32 LOL! EVE's collective IQ just went up a few points! EDIT: Incidentally, this thread is packed full of Win. --------
tiller kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:02:00 - [287] - Quote Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 17:06:07 ok im gonna post this to shed some light.... maybe it will help him who knows. In some ways I hope it does as ginger does add character to eve. [ 2007.06.14 18:51:39 ] Banned > curl up and die scum [ 2007.06.14 18:51:44 ] Banned > ill find u in rl Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Channel KLEPTO for info.
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:02:00 - [288] - Quote Jarrell mabe ginger is a complete tosr, but to some people i bet hes a good friend, ie his corp mates*. you are kidding right? _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin*
Jebe Noyon LDK Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:06:00 - [289] - Quote Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 17:01:00 ok im gonna post this to shed some light.... maybe it will help him who knows. In some ways I hope it does... [ 2007.06.14 18:51:39 ] Banned > curl up and die scum [ 2007.06.14 18:51:44 ] Banned > ill find u in rl whoa not the most pleasant chatlog imho.
Thann Starlinbow Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:08:00 - [290] - Quote This thread is so chock full of absolute Win that it's spilling over to the rest of the C&P forum. I think I'm gonna visit more often now. Sucks that you got banned, Gingy. I know I wouldn't like it if it happened to me, but it's just a game. But you shouldn't have been threatening RL bodily harm over some pretty pixels in a game that moved from one fake wallet to another, or some other pixels that turned into different ones when your pod exploded. Maybe now you'll get out and socialize some. :x

DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:11:00 - [291] - Quote Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 17:06:07 ok im gonna post this to shed some light.... maybe it will help him who knows. In some ways I hope it does as ginger does add character to eve. [ 2007.06.14 18:51:39 ] Banned > curl up and die scum [ 2007.06.14 18:51:44 ] Banned > ill find u in rl tbh i have heard from so many ex snowy members in convo about how bad GM treated his corpmates and others and everyone has been witness to his annoying ego on eve-o but if that's all he said then i think a perma ban is a bit harsh. temp ban for sure but that's a little extreme. however examples have to be made and this will shine as a very good one. i don't feel much sorry for him on account of how he treats others but a temp ban of a month or 2 might well have sufficed. unless it got worse than that. DE
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:16:00 - [292] - Quote Did Ginger keep all OctoberSnow's isk and gear on his characters? If so how will it affect OctoberSnow Corp if they lose access to their main source of isk and gear? Interesting situation.
stopdropandlol Gallente kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:20:00 - [293] - Quote man the internet is SERIOUS BIDNESS.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:22:00 - [294] - Quote Originally by: DUFFMANX Wow....just fck'in wow, ive been busy at work all week and comeback to read this. Could'nt have happened to a nicer guy hahaha it sucks to be Ginger. Fist olGinge is banned, then Crom....... but w8t he has more character he can play with that ppl prolly dont know bout Ginger Wizard Mr Resser .......just for example. Was nice knowing u nubbins ut shame i dont get chance to try blow u up in ur selfenflated egotrip mom(if u even got it). P.S. i really h8t scammers and Miz shouldnt have done that.....well usually id agree wit that statement but he got u Ginger and that makes me laugh also knowing hes a longtime scammer I was about to post and ask ppl do name his other alts. :P --- Adopt a goon today, goons need lub and support too. Do you want him out in the cold, starving ?
Psyco Groupie Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:22:00 - [295] - Quote Originally by: Drunk Driver Did Ginger keep all OctoberSnow's isk and gear on his characters? If so how will it affect OctoberSnow Corp if they lose access to their main source of isk and gear? Interesting situation. Is that a joke ? ovcourse- he kept it all to himself, hence why everyone (well almost) left and went to KLEPTO. And so octobersnow members didnt really have a source of isk or gear but now im sure if snowy lives on loot will be spilt between members and not put towards the famous "nyx fund". FREEDOM!
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:22:00 - [296] - Quote Originally by: Drunk Driver Did Ginger keep all OctoberSnow's isk and gear on his characters? If so how will it affect OctoberSnow Corp if they lose access to their main source of isk and gear? Interesting situation. well .. do you actually now how many people within snowy have been his alts? tbfh i don't. Maybe 3-6 more active members... so i dont think it is that bad. _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin
Volga 743	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:25:00 - [297] - Quote The Ban of ginger will be a great lost for eve comunity. People hate ginger coz he choose to camp gate in carrier. Miz is just an poor scammer, who will never be as great as Ginger, just a few player me claim themselves as great as ginger. I hope CCP wanna un-ban Ginger, Eve is a really strange game where scammer and other thief are protected and pvp-er and funny player are ban. For my mind, if i wanna be scammed around 8.5bil, i wouldn't stay calm and smacktaclk would be unavoidable ... plz unban Ginger, he is one of the greatest pilot. (not an ginger alt :p and i was killed by ginger so I know him ^^ =) )
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:33:00 - [298] - Quote Edited by: DarkElf on 15/06/2007 17:32:49 Originally by: Volga 743 The Ban of ginger will be a great lost for eve comunity. People hate ginger coz he choose to camp gate in carrier. Miz is just an poor scammer, who will never be as great as Ginger, just a few player me claim themselves as great as ginger. I hope CCP wanna un-ban Ginger, Eve is a really strange game where scammer and other thief are protected and pvp-er and funny player are ban. For my mind, if i wanna be scammed around 8.5bil, i wouldn't stay calm and smacktaclk would be unavoidable ... plz unban Ginger, he is one of the greatest pilot. (not an ginger alt :p and i was killed by ginger so I know him ^^ =) ) ooooo ccp another alt to ban DE
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:34:00 - [299] - Quote Edited by: zwerg on 15/06/2007 17:33:59 Originally by: Volga 743 The Ban of ginger will be a great lost for eve comunity. People hate ginger coz he choose to camp gate in carrier. Miz is just an poor scammer, who will never be as great as Ginger, just a few player me claim themselves as great as ginger. I hope CCP wanna un-ban Ginger, Eve is a really strange game where scammer and other thief are protected and pvp-er and funny player are ban. For my mind, if i wanna be scammed around 8.5bil, i wouldn't stay calm and smacktaclk would be unavoidable ... plz unban Ginger, he is one of the greatest pilot. (not an ginger alt :p and i was killed by ginger so I know him ^^ =) ) Ginger, if you post with an alt, then at least don't post like yourself ( points at wall of text and the great grammar. poor guy, is it boosting your ego? ye? [url=http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=lastposts&cid=830241732]Linky[/url] _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin
ObiAliKonobi OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:38:00 - [300] - Quote I joined October Snow approximately ten days ago. I knew the corp policy of all loot going to corp wallet. As far as I know, whenever I or anyone else lost a ship, Ginger immediately replaced it; that is the main reason why I joined SNOWY. Yes, Ginger does have an ego, but practically every ceo of a major corp does. In addition, I got to know Ginger on Vent, and I must say that I enjoyed talking with him. He is not an awful person who deserves ridicule and condemnation. Furthermore, I think this is a sad day for all of Eve. This is not a day to rejoice, but to mourn. One of the oldest and most infamous pirate corps in EvE has been seriously hurt. In the end, all I know is that I enjoyed camping and killing carebears with Ginger and the other members of October Snow. I even enjoyed camping with Miz while he was a loyal member. I just hate to see characters and corps be put down like an animal. I wish all the pirate corps in eve the best of luck, even the folks at KLEPTO. Remember, Eve is about fun and community - and sometimes a community must forgive those who may lose their cool at times.

Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:42:00 - [301] - Quote Originally by: ObiAliKonobi I joined October Snow approximately ten days ago. I knew the corp policy of all loot going to corp wallet. As far as I know, whenever I or anyone else lost a ship, Ginger immediately replaced it; that is the main reason why I joined SNOWY. Yes, Ginger does have an ego, but practically every ceo of a major corp does. In addition, I got to know Ginger on Vent, and I must say that I enjoyed talking with him. He is not an awful person who deserves ridicule and condemnation. Furthermore, I think this is a sad day for all of Eve. This is not a day to rejoice, but to mourn. One of the oldest and most infamous pirate corps in EvE has been seriously hurt. In the end, all I know is that I enjoyed camping and killing carebears with Ginger and the other members of October Snow. I even enjoyed camping with Miz while he was a loyal member. I just hate to see characters and corps be put down like an animal. I wish all the pirate corps in eve the best of luck, even the folks at KLEPTO. Remember, Eve is about fun and community - and sometimes a community must forgive those who may lose their cool at times. TLDR Make it readable by writing in portions...
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Elite	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:44:00 - [302] - Quote Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 17:06:07 ok im gonna post this to shed some light.... maybe it will help him who knows. In some ways I hope it does as ginger does add character to eve. [ 2007.06.14 18:51:39 ] Banned > curl up and die scum [ 2007.06.14 18:51:44 ] Banned > ill find u in rl ..if thats all that was said then i know a list of people more deserving of bans than that Never had the pleasure of meeting ginger </sarcasm> he might have been on a last warning or something, but who knows, i say perma ban was too much. Go on, call me a GM alt, you know you want to... - The mods shall not have my sig, if they do i'll kill CCP's hamsters. kill 'em! we have backup gerbils - Deckard kills any rodents of any kind for good measure ha!
zwerg kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:45:00 - [303] - Quote Edited by: zwerg on 15/06/2007 17:46:03 Originally by: ObiAliKonobi I joined October Snow approximately ten days ago. I knew the corp policy of all loot going to corp wallet. As far as I know, whenever I or anyone else lost a ship, Ginger immediately replaced it; that is the main reason why I joined SNOWY. Yes, Ginger does have an ego, but practically every ceo of a major corp does. In addition, I got to know Ginger on Vent, and I must say that I enjoyed talking with him. He is not an awful person who deserves ridicule and condemnation. Furthermore, I think this is a sad day for all of Eve. This is not a day to rejoice, but to mourn. One of the oldest and most infamous pirate corps in EvE has been seriously hurt. In the end, all I know is that I enjoyed camping and killing carebears with Ginger and the other members of October Snow. I even enjoyed camping with Miz while he was a loyal member. I just hate to see characters and corps be put down like an animal. I wish all the pirate corps in eve the best of luck, even the folks at KLEPTO. Remember, Eve is about fun and community - and sometimes a community must forgive those who may lose their cool at times. that is not the obi i know... obi is it you? wall of text again . you in october snow? never..... Edit: Nopes 100 % _______________________________________________ i am bad you know, pay attention what you do, i could throw flowers at your house when you sleep devil's grin
Psyco Groupie Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:48:00 - [304] - Quote Edited by: Psyco Groupie on 15/06/2007 17:47:17 Maybe this incident was the straw that broke the camels back. Imho it was only a matter of time before he got banned (again)
Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:48:00 - [305] - Quote Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 17:06:07 ok im gonna post this to shed some light.... maybe it will help him who knows. In some ways I hope it does as ginger does add character to eve. [ 2007.06.14 18:51:39 ] Banned > curl up and die scum [ 2007.06.14 18:51:44 ] Banned > ill find u in rl ..if thats all that was said then i know a list of people more deserving of bans than that Never had the pleasure of meeting ginger </sarcasm> he might have been on a last warning or something, but who knows, i say perma ban was too much. Go on, call me a GM alt, you know you want to... Actually , I didnt find that to be so "mean" or whatever either, I was expecting like, the threat of the century like: "mtrfkr Im gonna **** you up irl and find ur kids and eat ur babies and then put the rest of your babies, put them in a mixer and then in a plastic bag and put the juice in my wallet for payment in iraq!!" But that might just be me. Kittens for president. Amen
Fedaykinn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:51:00 - [306] - Quote Edited by: Fedaykinn on 15/06/2007 17:52:03 Edited by: Fedaykinn on 15/06/2007 17:51:08 Wow lol just saw this thread and I was like WTF!. Bit rough on Ginger tbh im sure other ppl have said far worse and enver been banned, Ive recevied worse threats than this but I take it as a laught tbh. But with a GM in the system it was a farily stupid thing to say Im glad Miz never scammed me heh, I have done trades with him in the past Anyway Tiller watch it now Miz is in Klepto and hell prob scam you sooner or later lol its in his blood id prob expect a scam from such a player in my corp. Just dont fall for it like Ginger did (I highly doubt you would fall for a Miz scam neway) Just be carefull m8 Muchos Love Yes I Typo, Does It Look Like I Care?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:53:00 - [307] - Quote Originally by: Psyco Groupie Edited by: Psyco Groupie on 15/06/2007 17:47:17 Maybe this incident was the straw that broke the camels back. Imho it was only a matter of time before he got banned (again) I'm guessing that's indeed "it". What Ginger said in local might have been tolerated IF it had been his first offense.
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:55:00 - [308] - Quote Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 15/06/2007 17:57:08 Originally by: ObiAliKonobi I joined October Snow approximately ten days ago. I knew the corp policy of all loot going to corp wallet. As far as I know, whenever I or anyone else lost a ship, Ginger immediately replaced it; that is the main reason why I joined SNOWY. Yes, Ginger does have an ego, but practically every ceo of a major corp does. In addition, I got to know Ginger on Vent, and I must say that I enjoyed talking with him. He is not an awful person who deserves ridicule and condemnation. Furthermore, I think this is a sad day for all of Eve. This is not a day to rejoice, but to mourn. One of the oldest and most infamous pirate corps in EvE has been seriously hurt. In the end, all I know is that I enjoyed camping and killing carebears with Ginger and the other members of October Snow. I even enjoyed camping with Miz while he was a loyal member. I just hate to see characters and corps be put down like an animal. I wish all the pirate corps in eve the best of luck, even the folks at KLEPTO. Remember, Eve is about fun and community - and sometimes a community must forgive those who may lose their cool at times. Ginger is 2003. So had been aware that smack-talk on that level [if it's true ofc] must result a ban. This situation is not RPG. It reflects exactly the mood of the rl person at this moment. I understand that a game like EVE is not just a simple game ... it's often totally emotional and IS a part of your reallife when you involved in it like Ginger. Each ISK you lose or earn is rl time. A loss feels like a loss and not like reloading a save-spot on a console game. But due the fact that he is specialized on gate camping stealing billions of ISK from other player daily - what he's all the time posing with - he should have learned the rules. But he's blinded by his own rules. Miz did nothing different what he does daily to other players. And at this point it's typical that those people can't deal with it. To shout in local +I will kill you in rl!= is for a player from early EVE damn stupid because he must know that all that convo will be logged by CCP. So what does he expect? Pres G Btw: Crom'ag Non is still online ... what was that about +banned, too=? Do I read some self-pity? +++ JOIN PAP +++
Psyco Groupie Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:56:00 - [309] - Quote Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Psyco Groupie Edited by: Psyco Groupie on 15/06/2007 17:47:17 Maybe this incident was the straw that broke the camels back. Imho it was only a matter of time before he got banned (again) I'm guessing that's indeed "it". What Ginger said in local might have been tolerated IF it had been his first offense. Hooray, someone agrees with me.
Soren PAK	Posted - 2007.06.15 17:57:00 - [310] - Quote Well this is too bad.. It's expected for Miz to scam, good job.. again.. klepto's next? lol. I'll personally miss ginger if he's gone for good... you may not like him, but he still added some flavour to the game (not everyone has the same tastes). He didn't really do anything different then other players who gank (lol if he really keeps all camp profits), except his ego and amusing posts.. but it seems tiller has taken over there... ☠-->-->--

Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:00:00 - [311] - Quote Edited by: Kaeten on 15/06/2007 18:01:42 hmm Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:01:00 - [312] - Quote Also agreed. guessing it wasn't just this. he's been banned before and i know he's been warned for things said in chats also. probably just as you say the final straw. DE
Trak Cranker Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:02:00 - [313] - Quote Edited by: Trak Cranker on 15/06/2007 18:01:09 You can say a lot of **** in eve and get away with it. And thats all good, really. As it stays character to character. The moment you make reference to real life and that you are going to find them there - it crosses a big fat line. Its not up to anyone to judge whether that infringes on other peoples sense of personal security - you just don't do it. It doesn't matter if someone has seen worse or not - if they had, they should have reported it. There is no room for that kind in a game. One incident like this should result in a significant ban - and it seems like Ginger had been saving up as it was.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:06:00 - [314] - Quote Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 15/06/2007 18:05:58 Originally by: Soren but it seems tiller has taken over there... Partly true, but at least tiller is able to poke fun at himself (or am I the only one who thinks this?). I don't recall anything but the "OMG I'M THE PVP GOD" threads from Ginger. Then again, maybe I'm just on *****; in that case, just ignore what I just typed. EDIT: Ok... cr@ck is censored now? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:11:00 - [315] - Quote Originally by: "Ginger" No this is not what Ginger said. All he said was that he would find Miz in real life. I certainly wouldn't want to hear that, I'm glad you were banned, and you seriously need to never play video games ever again. Go join the army or something. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Purgatori Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:22:00 - [316] - Quote lol threatning to kill someone irl = perm ban threatening to find someone irl to have a pint with = no perm ban how is there anything sinister about saying u will find someone irl ?
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:26:00 - [317] - Quote Quote: curl up and die scum ill find u in rl I hope you die sir. I will find you in real life. To have a beer with! _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:28:00 - [318] - Quote Originally by: Purgatori lol threatning to kill someone irl = perm ban threatening to find someone irl to have a pint with = no perm ban how is there anything sinister about saying u will find someone irl ? Did you miss the "curl up and die scum" part, or are you playing ostrich?
Faekurias Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:30:00 - [319] - Quote Originally by: Purgatori lol threatning to kill someone irl = perm ban threatening to find someone irl to have a pint with = no perm ban how is there anything sinister about saying u will find someone irl ? "Curl up and die , I'll find you irl" the two sentences as one. Go figure
Katarina Hetiako Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:32:00 - [320] - Quote Half of me is glad GM has been banned, half of me thinks the whole situation stinks... I hope it is obvious to CCP that he has been fully set up here, once Miz scammed him of 8.5bil I imagine it became one large taunt session. I hope that the GM who was in local will be quizzed about the whole affair. I think the whole situation comes down to the scammer, he created the situation that caused the smack, then once smacked cries to CCP about being smacked... too easy really. Adios Ginger Magician, those who mock you are just jealous, you were an idiot but also one of a few defined characters in the Eve-verse Yup, I'm an alt... if only you could see my main... he's so strong and tough!

Mark Foley Roid Vandals Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:40:00 - [321] - Quote cbfa to read the whole 11 pages but i would just like to state ... UNLUCKY honestly, what did he think was honestly going to happen. As for the comments said in local, i can see why it was said but its only a game at the end of the day and GM's were right to ban imho Me 'n' my bucket
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:41:00 - [322] - Quote Originally by: Katarina Hetiako Half of me is glad GM has been banned, half of me thinks the whole situation stinks... I hope it is obvious to CCP that he has been fully set up here, once Miz scammed him of 8.5bil I imagine it became one large taunt session. I hope that the GM who was in local will be quizzed about the whole affair. I think the whole situation comes down to the scammer, he created the situation that caused the smack, then once smacked cries to CCP about being smacked... too easy really. Adios Ginger Magician, those who mock you are just jealous, you were an idiot but also one of a few defined characters in the Eve-verse Ginger?
Katarina Hetiako Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:43:00 - [323] - Quote Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Katarina Hetiako Half of me is glad GM has been banned, half of me thinks the whole situation stinks... I hope it is obvious to CCP that he has been fully set up here, once Miz scammed him of 8.5bil I imagine it became one large taunt session. I hope that the GM who was in local will be quizzed about the whole affair. I think the whole situation comes down to the scammer, he created the situation that caused the smack, then once smacked cries to CCP about being smacked... too easy really. Adios Ginger Magician, those who mock you are just jealous, you were an idiot but also one of a few defined characters in the Eve-verse Ginger? Hey, watch where you point those accusations, I still want to log in Yup, I'm an alt... if only you could see my main... he's so strong and tough!
Imiarr Timshae Roid Vandals Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:43:00 - [324] - Quote Well, players of Eve, this sets precedent! If you are angry at a nasty person, repeat after me : "I am not going to injure, wound, damage or maim your person in any way. I am not going to shout, holler, scream or otherwise voice any opinions I have of you. I will not direct aggression in your direction and nor will I consider causing you any harm of any form being mental or physical at any point in present or future." -Imiarr- -Imiarr-
Matthew Cooper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:49:00 - [325] - Quote I may never wash my forum signature again. Originally by: Ginger Magician THEY Wont ban me i am too famous
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:52:00 - [326] - Quote Originally by: Mark Foley cbfa to read the whole 11 pages but i would just like to state ... UNLUCKY honestly, what did he think was honestly going to happen. As for the comments said in local, i can see why it was said but its only a game at the end of the day and GM's were right to ban imho I have read every single post on here and i can assure you it's well worth the read. Despite what others have said, as i expected this thread has reached proportions of epic win and has been hugely entertaining all day and has brighened up my friday at work. about to leave now with this on my face: DE
KentachiSamurai g guild	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:53:00 - [327] - Quote Maybe we could start a bet going on how long Ginger remains on the top of the Battleclinic killboard! Bye Ginger
Maya Rkell Third Grade Ergonomics	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:57:00 - [328] - Quote Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 15/06/2007 17:06:07 ok im gonna post this to shed some light.... maybe it will help him who knows. In some ways I hope it does as ginger does add character to eve. [ 2007.06.14 18:51:39 ] Banned > curl up and die scum [ 2007.06.14 18:51:44 ] Banned > ill find u in rl And.. sorry, zero sympathy for ginger. RL threats are plain unacceptable. //Maya
Katie Liu	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:58:00 - [329] - Quote Good riddance Ginger! All can rest easier now.
The Yzzerman Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:58:00 - [330] - Quote It suck to be a ginger doesent it.....

Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:59:00 - [331] - Quote WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! A rather climatic end to Ginger Magician. :) No better smack talker/double speaker has ever been kicked from a game. LMAO. Good job Snowy, well, I guess Snowy exists no more. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
KIZERIAN Caldari SKORPION CORP Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:59:00 - [332] - Quote HA HAHA HAHAHA MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of ppl. mmmkthnxbye.
Psyco Groupie Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.15 18:59:00 - [333] - Quote I have also read every post in this thread so far and is a great laugh to read. Surprised its not been locked yet. Maybe CCP want to see the reactions of the community. Why should someone not get banned for being "famous" thats stupid. Perma ban should mean perma ban if it was indeed justified in the first place.
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:00:00 - [334] - Quote Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Dionisus and co, you peeps need to take a step back and think about what you are saying, seriously. It makes zero sense. It's basically saying that a woman who was raped is as guilty as the rapist because "She asked for it; look at what she's wearing!" There is nothing, I say again, nothing that justifies death threats, no matter how much taunting was done by the other party. To say that Miz is as guilty as Ginger is utter stupidity. Oh, and as for attacking DE's character: lol? He's one of the most level-headed and helpful posters on the Eve-O forums. 'nuff said. That is probably the worst excuse i've heard so far about this incident. You are only excusing Miz's actions based on your dislikes from another character, and the rapist example well, can't argue with a situation picked just to suit your interests in being right. You see actions like Miz today can lead to worst developments some other day in the future. Its not new to anyone to read from the lunatic that shot, beat to death or anything of the sort just because of a computer game. The fact that you excuse Miz and Klepto members for agressing another person verbally and completely ignore the results and the whys on those results just shows how low some people are. As to DE , i don't care how much he helps, its not level headed at all to justify smacking and scorning other players trough his posts and justifying "age" ingame, it shows no respect for other people, and i canot respect someone like that. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:03:00 - [335] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius As to DE , i don't care how much he helps, its not level headed at all to justify smacking and scorning other players trough his posts and justifying "age" ingame, it shows no respect for other people, and i canot respect someone like that. huh? DE
The Yzzerman Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:04:00 - [336] - Quote it suckto be a ginger dosent it....
Janeway	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:05:00 - [337] - Quote At last CCP have made a correct decision. The number of petitions that Ginger generated must have kept a member of the CCP team in full time employment. If he lost a ship he petitioned it and got a new one, This happened a awful lot. He was always bragging about his connections at CCP, I have seen him use numerous exploits and know of many others that have petitioned about him. He was not a good pirate he was a cheat and got pleasure in threatening people in RL. Im just glad that he has been seen doing what we have all had to tolerate for months now. Hopefully with the new patch and Ginger gone. EVE can get its act back to track.
ms kypp	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:11:00 - [338] - Quote i'm not exactly sorry to see him gone,,, i'll admit that but to go the way he did was wrong,i bet miz was laughing a long while up till that point then realised he is just about to lose everything he worked for in eve,,oh n its just a game, this much is true but its effect is almost real wake up n smell the rose's miz u must have known this was coming, if u cant take it dont give it, if it was on another character i wonder if it would have been met with the same negativity as gm got....mmm i waunder what the taunts were to get him to that level i noticed none of these have been put in this forum. miz what did u expect him to do really?
The Yzzerman Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:15:00 - [339] - Quote This is amazing i havent ever seen so many alts in same topic. saying this and that... to summit all = its great to be a ginger isnt it
Katarina Hetiako	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:16:00 - [340] - Quote Originally by: ms kypp i'm not exactly sorry to see him gone,,, i'll admit that but to go the way he did was wrong,i bet miz was laughing a long while up till that point then realised he is just about to lose everything he worked for in eve,,oh n its just a game, this much is true but its effect is almost real wake up n smell the rose's miz u must have known this was coming, if u cant take it dont give it, if it was on another character i wonder if it would have been met with the same negativity as gm got....mmm i waunder what the taunts were to get him to that level i noticed none of these have been put in this forum. miz what did u expect him to do really? Who knows, maybe Miz will reflect on this and realise the part he played in destroying someones game, absolutely no way he can expect anyone to believe it was a one sided affair, more who got to the F-12 button faster... as someone mentioned earlier this does set a dangerous precedent

Katarina Hetiako	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:17:00 - [341] - Quote Originally by: The Yzzerman This is amazing i havent ever seen so many alts in same topic. saying this and that... to summit all = its great to be a ginger isnt it I wish you'd make up your mind
Zaphod Jones Minmatar Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:17:00 - [342] - Quote don't forget mr resser too Anarchy Empire is recruiting US/OZ Corps
Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:21:00 - [343] - Quote Originally by: DarkElf Edited by: DarkElf on 15/06/2007 19:07:42 Originally by: Dionisius As to DE , i don't care how much he helps, its not level headed at all to justify smacking and scorning other players trough his posts and justifying "age" ingame, it shows no respect for other people, and i canot respect someone like that. huh? does anyone know what this guy is on about in all these posts? edit: i've read it again trying to understand anything from that drivvle and i think you have misread what i said. Let me repeat. I do not like smacktalkers, i don't scam or think that much of people who do. However this is quite simple: Miz broke no game rules Ginger did Ginger got banned are we following or shall i slow down for you? DE Dude my point is simple, smack is a part of the game, a sad part. As i said previously, Ginger was as sharp as a brick for not watching his mouth, considering a GM was around to sort other stuff. Now the thing is, i'm not excusing Gingers actions, but, Miz's actions shouldn't be overlooked. I've been threatened and insulted in the game aswell by people who basicly can't distinguish a game from real life, fact is i dismissed that sort of stuff as venting off and hollow threats as it wasn't a result of trading words but simple pvp. In this case it was provoked, Miz smacked Ginger to the point of Ginger loosing his head. My point of view on the matter is, taking in consideration that life threats are unacceptable, isn't Miz also guilty of leading the situation with Ginger into a point were one of them, this case Ginger, lost his head and threatened him? That is the question i have, its simple and i'm asking it from reply one. More simple than this, only with pictures i guess. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Psyco Groupie Union Of Xtreme Military Terror In The System	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:29:00 - [344] - Quote Im sure ginger has aggrevated many of his victims into smacking him for his own enjoyment and then proceded to petition comment which he thought violated rules. What goes around comes around. Deal with it.
Laxon	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:30:00 - [345] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius Dude my point is simple, smack is a part of the game, a sad part. As i said previously, Ginger was as sharp as a brick for not watching his mouth, considering a GM was around to sort other stuff. Now the thing is, i'm not excusing Gingers actions, but, Miz's actions shouldn't be overlooked. I've been threatened and insulted in the game aswell by people who basicly can't distinguish a game from real life, fact is i dismissed that sort of stuff as venting off and hollow threats as it wasn't a result of trading words but simple pvp. In this case it was provoked, Miz smacked Ginger to the point of Ginger loosing his head. My point of view on the matter is, taking in consideration that life threats are unacceptable, isn't Miz also guilty of leading the situation with Ginger into a point were one of them, this case Ginger, lost his head and threatened him? That is the question i have, its simple and i'm asking it from reply one. More simple than this, only with pictures i guess. /me yawns It's dead mate, stop flogging it.
The Yzzerman Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:31:00 - [346] - Quote Originally by: Psyco Groupie Im sure ginger has aggrevated many of his victims into smacking him for his own enjoyment and then proceded to petition comment which he thought violated rules. What goes around comes around. Deal with it. what comes a around moves around abit then it disepear,so let it be let it be to quote beatles

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Dionisius Gallente Fallen Lords	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:38:00 - [348] - Quote Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Dionisius That is probably the worst excuse i've heard so far about this incident. OOoorly? Originally by: Dionisius You are only excusing Miz's actions based on your dislikes from another character, Uh, no. I'd be saying the same damned thing about whomever threw around RL threats. The fact that it's Ginger just makes it all the more justified, considering the points others have brought forth in this thread. Originally by: Dionisius and the rapist example well, can't argue with a situation picked just to suit your interests in being right. Uhm... could it be perhaps because GASP! it applies? Originally by: Dionisius You see actions like Miz today can lead to worst developments some other day in the future. Its not new to anyone to read from the lunatic that shot, beat to death or anything of the sort just because of a computer game. That's Miz's call to make, wether he wants to take that risk or not. However, that shouldn't get him banned. What he does is entirely within the rules of the game. Originally by: Dionisius The fact that you excuse Miz and Klepto members for agressing another person verbally and completely ignore the results and the whys on those results just shows how low some people are. Because clearly, you know me well and know how much of a dirty scoundrel I am (IRL, might I add). But to address the point of me defending Miz: I don't (generally) support smacktalk. However, RL threats > smack, in this case, so yeah, I'll take Miz's/Klepto's side on this one. Originally by: Dionisius As to DE , i don't care how much he helps, its not level headed at all to justify smacking and scorning other players trough his posts and justifying "age" ingame, it shows no respect for other people, and i canot respect someone like that. I've read his replies to you, and tbh, you've been far more unfair and condescendant to him than he was to you. I'm not saying ur low, i'm saying this was a low move from Klepto and Miz, they knew how ginger would respond. I don't even like ginger and i'm not being unfair, i just think its not correct, from the other guys. _______________________ What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
Raziel Saston	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:50:00 - [349] - Quote Suprised by all the hate in this thread. I mean what happened to the old eve community that i can remember from release. Seriously tho what did the guy do ? He had the forum *****s put him in a situation that was gonna break his temper. These guys knew what ginger was like. Hell they were in his corp for several months. I also spent some time time on camps with ginger and know he can be an ass and yes he likes his smacktalk and has a temper. But thats just Ginger. These guys knew that also and put him in a situation that would bring the worst out in him. What he said in local cant be justified but i know and i'm sure the rest of you do, alot worse things have been said in chats and mails. The whole thing stinks to high heaven imo and it's more like a witch hunt. I may be in the minority here but i for one am saddened by this whole event. As for the guy that said Tiller would take over from Ginger.... Flame on....
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.15 19:55:00 - [350] - Quote Originally by: Dionisius My point of view on the matter is, taking in consideration that life threats are unacceptable, isn't Miz also guilty of leading the situation with Ginger into a point were one of them, this case Ginger, lost his head and threatened him? That is the question i have, its simple and i'm asking it from reply one. More simple than this, only with pictures i guess. I think the answer to your question is that a large part of Eve involves social engineering. Scamming is a part of Eve, and has been approved by the devs as legitimate from day one. I agree with you that this kind of gameplay is not suitable for everyone. That is part of what makes Eve still a niche game-- many people do not like various elements of Eve, because it was designed to appeal to a very particular crowd. I am not surprised that there are long time players who are unable to cope with this. However, there are other ways to vent at someone. CCP can only ban someone who vents in this way through their system. If it had been over TS or Vent, or over some other third party system, I don't think the GM could have responded even if it had been petitioned, because they can only act on what happens in their system. This is abundantly clear when so many petitions are responded to with a "no records in our system" message. There are other avenues to vent frustration. I have played in Eve since the beta on various accounts and have almost never witnessed anything that invoked rl threats made in-game, either explicit or implied. Frankly, those who are so easily manipulated are going to be at a disadvantage in Eve, banning like this is only the most extreme example. And yes, there ARE other games where this sort of thing happens. I did live action role playing for about ten years, and most of it involved intrigue/spying/betrayal, and out and out trying to find some way of killing someone else's character without actually doing it yourself. And I personally engineered the deaths of many characters that had been active for a couple years during that ime period. I don't do that in Eve, because frankly I got tired of it. But that is precisely the level that some people in Eve play at, and that is fine. It is well known to people who know of them that both Miz and GM play at that level, and now we know definitively which one is better. Though I could have seen that just from comparing any two posts each made over the years. I know-- none of this will convince you that Miz and other scammers and baiters should not be banned. But you have to accept the rules of the shared sandbox, which have been thoroughly explored over the past four years. This policy has been demonstrated in the past, and precedent has been clear that each player is held to be responsible for his or her own behavior in game. Each of us makes a choice about how to respond to any other player, and some of us may not choose as wisely as others. The line is typically very well respected in-game, even though there might be pitched verbal battles using other media. Look at what happened with Aegis Militia when they got scammed for 30 bill ISK (according to the articles etc) by GHSC when that kind of ISK really meant something. I don't recall one rl threat made against the responsible parties. Lots of repercussions against characters, but none against the players. Because everyone knows the game they play, and that it is a game.

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