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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 18:59:00 -
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WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! A rather climatic end to Ginger Magician. :) No better smack talker/double speaker has ever been kicked from a game.
LMAO. Good job Snowy, well, I guess Snowy exists no more.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
KIZERIAN
Caldari
SKORPION CORP
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.15 18:59:00 -
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HA HAHA HAHAHA MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Couldnt happen to a nicer bunch of ppl.
mmmkthnxbye.
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Psyco Groupie
Union Of Xtreme Military
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.15 18:59:00 -
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I have also read every post in this thread so far and is a great laugh to read. Surprised its not been locked yet. Maybe CCP want to see the reactions of the community. Why should someone not get banned for being "famous" thats stupid. Perma ban should mean perma ban if it was indeed justified in the first place. 
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Dionisius
Gallente
Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Dionisus and co, you peeps need to take a step back and think about what you are saying, seriously. It makes zero sense. It's basically saying that a woman who was raped is as guilty as the rapist because "She asked for it; look at what she's wearing!"
There is nothing, I say again, nothing that justifies death threats, no matter how much taunting was done by the other party. To say that Miz is as guilty as Ginger is utter stupidity.
Oh, and as for attacking DE's character: lol? He's one of the most level-headed and helpful posters on the Eve-O forums. 'nuff said.
That is probably the worst excuse i've heard so far about this incident.
You are only excusing Miz's actions based on your dislikes from another character, and the rapist example well, can't argue with a situation picked just to suit your interests in being right.
You see actions like Miz today can lead to worst developments some other day in the future.
Its not new to anyone to read from the lunatic that shot, beat to death or anything of the sort just because of a computer game.
The fact that you excuse Miz and Klepto members for agressing another person verbally and completely ignore the results and the whys on those results just shows how low some people are.
As to DE , i don't care how much he helps, its not level headed at all to justify smacking and scorning other players trough his posts and justifying "age" ingame, it shows no respect for other people, and i canot respect someone like that.
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius
As to DE , i don't care how much he helps, its not level headed at all to justify smacking and scorning other players trough his posts and justifying "age" ingame, it shows no respect for other people, and i canot respect someone like that.
huh?
DE
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The Yzzerman
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:04:00 -
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it suckto be a ginger dosent it....
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Janeway
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:05:00 -
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At last CCP have made a correct decision.
The number of petitions that Ginger generated must have kept a member of the CCP team in full time employment. If he lost a ship he petitioned it and got a new one, This happened a awful lot. He was always bragging about his connections at CCP, I have seen him use numerous exploits and know of many others that have petitioned about him.
He was not a good pirate he was a cheat and got pleasure in threatening people in RL. Im just glad that he has been seen doing what we have all had to tolerate for months now.
Hopefully with the new patch and Ginger gone. EVE can get its act back to track.
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ms kypp
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:11:00 -
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i'm not exactly sorry to see him gone,,, i'll admit that but to go the way he did was wrong,i bet miz was laughing a long while up till that point then realised he is just about to lose everything he worked for in eve,,oh n its just a game, this much is true but its effect is almost real wake up n smell the rose's miz u must have known this was coming, if u cant take it dont give it, if it was on another character i wonder if it would have been met with the same negativity as gm got....mmm i waunder what the taunts were to get him to that level i noticed none of these have been put in this forum. miz what did u expect him to do really?
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The Yzzerman
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:15:00 -
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This is amazing i havent ever seen so many alts in same topic. saying this and that... to summit all = its great to be a ginger isnt it
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: ms kypp
i'm not exactly sorry to see him gone,,, i'll admit that but to go the way he did was wrong,i bet miz was laughing a long while up till that point then realised he is just about to lose everything he worked for in eve,,oh n its just a game, this much is true but its effect is almost real wake up n smell the rose's miz u must have known this was coming, if u cant take it dont give it, if it was on another character i wonder if it would have been met with the same negativity as gm got....mmm i waunder what the taunts were to get him to that level i noticed none of these have been put in this forum. miz what did u expect him to do really?
Who knows, maybe Miz will reflect on this and realise the part he played in destroying someones game, absolutely no way he can expect anyone to believe it was a one sided affair, more who got to the F-12 button faster... as someone mentioned earlier this does set a dangerous precedent 
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: The Yzzerman
This is amazing i havent ever seen so many alts in same topic. saying this and that... to summit all = its great to be a ginger isnt it
I wish you'd make up your mind 
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Zaphod Jones
Minmatar
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:17:00 -
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don't forget mr resser too
Anarchy Empire is recruiting US/OZ Corps
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Dionisius
Gallente
Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
Edited by: DarkElf on 15/06/2007 19:07:42
Originally by: Dionisius
As to DE , i don't care how much he helps, its not level headed at all to justify smacking and scorning other players trough his posts and justifying "age" ingame, it shows no respect for other people, and i canot respect someone like that.
huh?
does anyone know what this guy is on about in all these posts?
edit: i've read it again trying to understand anything from that drivvle and i think you have misread what i said. Let me repeat. I do not like smacktalkers, i don't scam or think that much of people who do. However this is quite simple:
Miz broke no game rules
Ginger did
Ginger got banned
are we following or shall i slow down for you?
DE
Dude my point is simple, smack is a part of the game, a sad part.
As i said previously, Ginger was as sharp as a brick for not watching his mouth, considering a GM was around to sort other stuff.
Now the thing is, i'm not excusing Gingers actions, but, Miz's actions shouldn't be overlooked.
I've been threatened and insulted in the game aswell by people who basicly can't distinguish a game from real life, fact is i dismissed that sort of stuff as venting off and hollow threats as it wasn't a result of trading words but simple pvp.
In this case it was provoked, Miz smacked Ginger to the point of Ginger loosing his head.
My point of view on the matter is, taking in consideration that life threats are unacceptable, isn't Miz also guilty of leading the situation with Ginger into a point were one of them, this case Ginger, lost his head and threatened him?
That is the question i have, its simple and i'm asking it from reply one.
More simple than this, only with pictures i guess.
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Psyco Groupie
Union Of Xtreme Military
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:29:00 -
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Im sure ginger has aggrevated many of his victims into smacking him for his own enjoyment and then proceded to petition comment which he thought violated rules. What goes around comes around. Deal with it.
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Laxon
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius
Dude my point is simple, smack is a part of the game, a sad part.
As i said previously, Ginger was as sharp as a brick for not watching his mouth, considering a GM was around to sort other stuff.
Now the thing is, i'm not excusing Gingers actions, but, Miz's actions shouldn't be overlooked.
I've been threatened and insulted in the game aswell by people who basicly can't distinguish a game from real life, fact is i dismissed that sort of stuff as venting off and hollow threats as it wasn't a result of trading words but simple pvp.
In this case it was provoked, Miz smacked Ginger to the point of Ginger loosing his head.
My point of view on the matter is, taking in consideration that life threats are unacceptable, isn't Miz also guilty of leading the situation with Ginger into a point were one of them, this case Ginger, lost his head and threatened him?
That is the question i have, its simple and i'm asking it from reply one.
More simple than this, only with pictures i guess.
/me yawns
It's dead mate, stop flogging it.
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The Yzzerman
Mortis Angelus
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Psyco Groupie
Im sure ginger has aggrevated many of his victims into smacking him for his own enjoyment and then proceded to petition comment which he thought violated rules. What goes around comes around. Deal with it.
what comes a around moves around abit then it disepear,so let it be let it be to quote beatles
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Rauth Kivaro
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:36:00 -
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This thread is essentially now doing nothing but discussing GM actions and actions taken against player accounts, which is a violation of the forum rules, and will therefore result in a click.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Originally by: Dionisius
That is probably the worst excuse i've heard so far about this incident.
OOoorly?
Originally by: Dionisius
You are only excusing Miz's actions based on your dislikes from another character,
Uh, no. I'd be saying the same damned thing about whomever threw around RL threats. The fact that it's Ginger just makes it all the more justified, considering the points others have brought forth in this thread.
Originally by: Dionisius
and the rapist example well, can't argue with a situation picked just to suit your interests in being right.
Uhm... could it be perhaps because *GASP!* it applies?
Originally by: Dionisius
You see actions like Miz today can lead to worst developments some other day in the future.
Its not new to anyone to read from the lunatic that shot, beat to death or anything of the sort just because of a computer game.
That's Miz's call to make, wether he wants to take that risk or not. However, that shouldn't get him banned. What he does is entirely within the rules of the game.
Originally by: Dionisius
The fact that you excuse Miz and Klepto members for agressing another person verbally and completely ignore the results and the whys on those results just shows how low some people are.
Because clearly, you know me well and know how much of a dirty scoundrel I am (IRL, might I add). But to address the point of me defending Miz: I don't (generally) support smacktalk. However, RL threats > smack, in this case, so yeah, I'll take Miz's/Klepto's side on this one.
Originally by: Dionisius
As to DE , i don't care how much he helps, its not level headed at all to justify smacking and scorning other players trough his posts and justifying "age" ingame, it shows no respect for other people, and i canot respect someone like that.
I've read his replies to you, and tbh, you've been far more unfair and condescendant to him than he was to you.
I'm not saying ur low, i'm saying this was a low move from Klepto and Miz, they knew how ginger would respond.
I don't even like ginger and i'm not being unfair, i just think its not correct, from the other guys.
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Raziel Saston
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:50:00 -
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Suprised by all the hate in this thread. I mean what happened to the old eve community that i can remember from release. 
Seriously tho what did the guy do ? He had the forum *****s put him in a situation that was gonna break his temper. These guys knew what ginger was like. Hell they were in his corp for several months.
I also spent some time time on camps with ginger and know he can be an ass and yes he likes his smacktalk and has a temper. But thats just Ginger. These guys knew that also and put him in a situation that would bring the worst out in him. What he said in local cant be justified but i know and i'm sure the rest of you do, alot worse things have been said in chats and mails.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven imo and it's more like a witch hunt. I may be in the minority here but i for one am saddened by this whole event.
As for the guy that said Tiller would take over from Ginger....
Flame on....
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Gladia Horusthu
Gallente
Anything Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius
My point of view on the matter is, taking in consideration that life threats are unacceptable, isn't Miz also guilty of leading the situation with Ginger into a point were one of them, this case Ginger, lost his head and threatened him?
That is the question i have, its simple and i'm asking it from reply one.
More simple than this, only with pictures i guess.
I think the answer to your question is that a large part of Eve involves social engineering. Scamming is a part of Eve, and has been approved by the devs as legitimate from day one.
I agree with you that this kind of gameplay is not suitable for everyone. That is part of what makes Eve still a niche game-- many people do not like various elements of Eve, because it was designed to appeal to a very particular crowd.
I am not surprised that there are long time players who are unable to cope with this. However, there are other ways to vent at someone.
CCP can only ban someone who vents in this way through their system. If it had been over TS or Vent, or over some other third party system, I don't think the GM could have responded even if it had been petitioned, because they can only act on what happens in their system. This is abundantly clear when so many petitions are responded to with a "no records in our system" message.
There are other avenues to vent frustration. I have played in Eve since the beta on various accounts and have almost never witnessed anything that invoked rl threats made in-game, either explicit or implied. Frankly, those who are so easily manipulated are going to be at a disadvantage in Eve, banning like this is only the most extreme example.
And yes, there ARE other games where this sort of thing happens. I did live action role playing for about ten years, and most of it involved intrigue/spying/betrayal, and out and out trying to find some way of killing someone else's character without actually doing it yourself. And I personally engineered the deaths of many characters that had been active for a couple years during that ime period. I don't do that in Eve, because frankly I got tired of it.
But that is precisely the level that some people in Eve play at, and that is fine. It is well known to people who know of them that both Miz and GM play at that level, and now we know definitively which one is better.
Though I could have seen that just from comparing any two posts each made over the years.
I know-- none of this will convince you that Miz and other scammers and baiters should not be banned. But you have to accept the rules of the shared sandbox, which have been thoroughly explored over the past four years. This policy has been demonstrated in the past, and precedent has been clear that each player is held to be responsible for his or her own behavior in game. Each of us makes a choice about how to respond to any other player, and some of us may not choose as wisely as others. The line is typically very well respected in-game, even though there might be pitched verbal battles using other media.
Look at what happened with Aegis Militia when they got scammed for 30 bill ISK (according to the articles etc) by GHSC when that kind of ISK really meant something. I don't recall one rl threat made against the responsible parties. Lots of repercussions against characters, but none against the players. Because everyone knows the game they play, and that it is a game.
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