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Gaia Thorn
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 16:47:00 -
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it is just me that finds it ironic that Bob/pets/etc.. called north for a NAP fest whilst every corp they foguht either napped up or got steam rolled ?
Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony just struck whilst reading theese forums and watching the map.
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Chirinako
Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.09 16:53:00 -
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Don't quite understand exactly what you mean but the way i see it, the north teamed up to fight Bob. Bob and allies were already 1 big team before the north invaded.
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Major Stormer
Caldari Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.09 16:56:00 -
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Now a days EVE is a napfest. Everyone is so scared of everyone else, they NAP everyone else. BOB and friends is a huge napfest, coaltion and friends is a huge napfest.
Thank heavens for few blues..
--------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
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Kramer Verone
Amarr TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.06.09 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kramer Verone on 09/06/2007 16:57:52
There's a very big difference between the northern napfest and the southern alliance.
The northerners were just blue to each other out of fear of constant wars, while the alliance works together for the same non-selfish goals.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.09 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 16:57:14
I would say the difference is the type of nap used. The north napped to avoid conflict while Bob naps to bolster their defense/offense in preparation for inevitable conflict. -----
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.09 16:58:00 -
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the way i see it, the North were all Nap'd with each other to prevent war amongst themselves, as well as a kind of multi-region defense treaty. Bob and friends Nap'd with the intention of going to war, then all those that realised it was in their interest to join bob's side nap'd them also. ------------
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Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:01:00 -
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A NAP is a NAP is a NAP.
Why would any version of a NAP be "wrong" if it works to the benefit of the corporations and alliances within it?
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 16:57:14
I would say the difference is the type of nap used. The north napped to avoid conflict while Bob naps to bolster their defense/offense in preparation for inevitable conflict.
o rly, why are you so sure that the north didnt do it the same way, and except for the fix and mc nap the relations ship between iron, rzr and others in the north where longer then the new friends bob made.
Iam quiet amused how ppl like you josh try to pretend that you are any different then the nap fest up north.
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Cal5
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:18:00 -
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So when BOB do it, its a great tactical move. But when another alliance does it, it is lame and for all the wrong reasons. Get ******* real..... |
Harry Hood
Atomic Geese
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Harry Hood on 09/06/2007 17:19:01 To be honest, it is sort of looking the same up north with all the new alliances holding the space as it was before, napwise.
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Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:23:00 -
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*sigh*
south: people are napped because they fear BoB -> BoB = leader
north: people want to carebear in peace without fighting eachother, so they nap -> no leader
the north was a "peacefull region" while the south was more like the soviet union. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |
Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani *sigh*
south: people are napped because they fear BoB -> BoB = leader
north: people want to carebear in peace without fighting eachother, so they nap -> no leader
the north was a "peacefull region" while the south was more like the soviet union.
Must be probaby the best description of EvE politics so far...
"I am matter... I am anti-matter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!"
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Divus
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Divus on 09/06/2007 17:32:05
Originally by: Cal5 So when BOB do it, its a great tactical move. But when another alliance does it, it is lame and for all the wrong reasons.
pretty much sums it up realy -------------------------------------------------
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:40:00 -
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The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.
The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.
I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :) -
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony ...
You actually think that people will believe that statement? You being an ex-CELES and all? How dumb do you think people are that play this game?
What's ironic is that from CELES you jump to a pirate corp. and now have -10-security status. That's what's ironic. But I guess apples don't fall far from the tree.
The truth will set you free
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Kramer Verone
Amarr TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Cal5 So when BOB do it, its a great tactical move. But when another alliance does it, it is lame and for all the wrong reasons. Get ******* real.....
not the Alliances's fault if you were all weak minded people and fell for the brilliant propaganda.
unless you can field 50-man gangs on moment's notice, any alliance needs friends.
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MKeeper
Midnight Cartel
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.
The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.
I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :)
You should remove your head from your own arse if you actually believe that tripe. Southern napping scum
You could also apply this to the term bandwagon... first the 'coalition' were mocked for it and then that quickly died down when most of the alliance realised they were in a larger one. Blinkers are great when you're wearing them.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.06.09 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kramer Verone There's a very big difference between the northern napfest and the southern alliance.
The northerners were just blue to each other out of fear of constant wars, while the alliance works together for the same non-selfish goals.
With all due respect, but that is nonsense. How is Xelas and Rise working together for example? And constant wars you say? Of course the so called 'pets' are afraid of constant wars, they want peace in their territory, isn't that what every territory aiming alliance is working for?
It is indeed funny, BoB flamed 'the north' quite a lot for their napping each other. If they do it in the south it is a 'strategic move'.
Spinning ftw!
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Kahor
Minmatar Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: MKeeper
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.
The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.
I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :)
You should remove your head from your own arse if you actually believe that tripe. Southern napping scum
You could also apply this to the term bandwagon... first the 'coalition' were mocked for it and then that quickly died down when most of the alliance realised they were in a larger one. Blinkers are great when you're wearing them.
Save that the coalition have always had up until now, higher numbers than the alliance. And there is quite a difference in term of calling yourself an alliance, and calling your self a bandwagon with omg no brakes !!!! ---------------- An eye for an eye make a whole world blind.
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TheArchJudge
Gallente FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: MKeeper You should remove your head from your own arse if you actually believe that tripe. Southern napping scum
You could also apply this to the term bandwagon... first the 'coalition' were mocked for it and then that quickly died down when most of the alliance realised they were in a larger one. Blinkers are great when you're wearing them.
*sigh* Corp: Midnight Cartel Member Count: 1
Must not feed the trolls
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Nero Winger
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:08:00 -
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lol. now discussing NAP methods. omg cant you guys just form up and start shooty shooty?
this talking makes me cry. has eve become a GIANT Oprah-Show or what?
ugh... you know... my feelings were hurted when bob did this... so i cried and my wife cried as she saw me crying and my children now wear only black cloeths and play counter strike... - <-- STFU pls
start thinking with your head. this is a game not a chatt program.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:10:22
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 o rly, why are you so sure that the north didnt do it the same way, and except for the fix and mc nap the relations ship between iron, rzr and others in the north where longer then the new friends bob made.
Iam quiet amused how ppl like you josh try to pretend that you are any different then the nap fest up north.
They didn't lift much of a finger when their friends where dieing, that right there is the diffrence. -----
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Caldari EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:26:00 -
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Quote: the north was a "peacefull region" while the south was more like the soviet union.
Spoken like a true "northerner"! The north has never been peaceful. NAPfest it may have been, but peaceful it was not. Triumvirate? NFC/OPUS/Sparta? ISS? None of these entities had any direct link to the Alliance, save the first and last who due to the arrogance of the short-lived coalition were forced into that camp. One may also mention in defense (hah!) of the North that they did NAP specifically to fight the Alliance - Goonswarm are just one example of this, having been the catalyst for some of the wars with the names I mentioned above.
So, the north made it's own bed and it's now lying (in tatters) in it. You could've made it so much harder - Especially the Pure Blind/Fade/Deklein contingent - but too many people ducked out too soon. Not that you do, but if you ask my opinion the real reason the north fell was YouWhat - an alliance that never should've had a reason to be formed!
"You do it to yourself, you do; and that's what really hurts"
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MKeeper
Midnight Cartel
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: TheArchJudge
Originally by: MKeeper You should remove your head from your own arse if you actually believe that tripe. Southern napping scum
You could also apply this to the term bandwagon... first the 'coalition' were mocked for it and then that quickly died down when most of the alliance realised they were in a larger one. Blinkers are great when you're wearing them.
*sigh* Corp: Midnight Cartel Member Count: 1
Must not feed the trolls
:rolleyes: Corp: Finfleet Member Count: 360
and my post above still contained more points relevant to the OP than yours.
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Toppar Wear
STK Scientific Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude Edited by: Metal Dude on 09/06/2007 17:45:49
Originally by: Gaia Thorn
Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony ...
You actually think that people will believe that statement? You being an ex-CELES and all? How dumb do you think people are that play this game?
What's ironic is that from CELES you jump to a pirate corp. and now have -10-security status. That's what's ironic. But I guess apples don't fall far from the tree.
Edit: Besides, what are you complaining about? Now you and your CELES buddies can go gank BoB allies all over the north and boast about it on the forums.
He wanted something new.. What have that got to do with CELES.. Where you always bob ?... Guess not, people move on and so should you.. CELES is on summer holliday so stop being all afraid about ur pets getting hammered just now Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo |
Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
Spoken like a true "northerner"!
if you had any clue you would realise i am not a northern .. also notice my quotes arround the "peacefull region"
and i was not giving a general description of the region either, this thread is about naps, not regions. just to clarify it. read past the lines, it helps.
offcourse, i dont expect a noob to know anything. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |
Camilo Cienfuegos
Caldari EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:48:00 -
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Quote:
if you had any clue you would realise i am not a northern .. also notice my quotes arround the "peacefull region"
You mean just like my quotes around "northerner"? Comprehension FTW! I also take it you missed me shooting you & your friends in and around Providence/Catch? Oh wait, you didn't undock from the NPC station...
Quote: and i was not giving a general description of the region either, this thread is about naps, not regions. just to clarify it. read past the lines, it helps.
Right. The examples I gave were the NFC/OPUS vs IRON/FLA conflict, which escalated due to a NAP with Goonswarm. You consider this irrelevant, I presume?
Quote: offcourse, i dont expect a noob to know anything.
Of course, six months is such a long time in Eve. Or are you older than you look? Is this an occasion to say "PWYM"?
-- Tractor Beams Caldari Buff |
Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.09 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Gutsani on 09/06/2007 18:56:49
Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
You mean just like my quotes around "northerner"? Comprehension FTW! I also take it you missed me shooting you & your friends in and around Providence/Catch? Oh wait, you didn't undock from the NPC station...
dude, seriously, get yourself a clue and step from the computer. you have NEVER shotten at me or anybody i flew with in catch or providence, YOU are the one who died to us 3 times and your setup is teh funny.
and you still dont understand how irrelevant your post is to this thread? ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy! |
Zagum Darkfin
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:05:00 -
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To the OP, do you know what NAP means???
Ok boys and girls here is a politcial lesson on packs or agreements. Non-Aggression Pack (NAP for the tards) Treaty only means if you don't shoot me I don't shoot you. THAT IS IT. It does NOT address common goals, trade, corp relationships, leaderships and roles, rules and regulations. A NAP just simply means you agree not to fight, end of story, move on.
There are Hundreds of OTHER Kinds of political relationships corps can have between themselves. There are stronger forms of "Alliances and Coalitions" that go far beyond a simple NAP. You have Owner/Tenant packs, military alliance packs, trade packs, political packs, defensive agreements etc. etc. that all can govern how corps and people behave among each other.
Trying to claim BOB is a napfeast means you don't have a clue what the hell you are talking about or understand the political process of Bob and friends. Try again, Next please!!
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Maraude Fury
Minmatar Shadow Of The Light R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
With all due respect, but that is nonsense. How is Xelas and Rise working together for example?
Xelas and RISE don't work together in a formal sense, mainly due to geography. Each one of us assists those Blue to us in our area of operation. Because Rise lives in Feythabolis, we tend to help those in that area that are blue to us.
Now, if you asked how we help GONADS or Digital Renegades, it'd be a little different, as they are right next to us.
Maraude Fury Shadow Of The Light .SOL.
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:17:00 -
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I had a nap this afternoon but it was hardly a fest...
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larietta
production management team
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:21:00 -
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wait...wait lolololololololol......wait lololollolololol cry me a river
nice topic tho
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 09/06/2007 19:28:21
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.
The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.
I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :)
The previous northern NAP was created to take over Branch, Venal, Tenal, Tribute and Vale from its previous inhabitants (ERA, 5, F-E, OSS and a few others) and largely stayed in place after that had been accomplished.
The new northern NAP is being created to take over Fade, Deklein, Branch and Tenal from its previous inhabitants and from how it appears will largely stay in place after that has been accomplished.
I fail to see where the big difference lies - except in the style of leadership used.
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Rick M
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:35:00 -
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I too am interested to see how this all pans out.
I think the leadership issue is dead-on. It will be interesting to see how the North will evolve after the shooting dies down, who will step up to lead it, et cetera.
Originally by: Shirei Edited by: Shirei on 09/06/2007 19:28:21
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.
The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.
I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :)
The previous northern NAP was created to take over Branch, Venal, Tenal, Tribute and Vale from its previous inhabitants (ERA, 5, F-E, OSS and a few others) and largely stayed in place after that had been accomplished.
The new northern NAP is being created to take over Fade, Deklein, Branch and Tenal from its previous inhabitants and from how it appears will largely stay in place after that has been accomplished.
I fail to see where the big difference lies - except in the style of leadership used.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Caldari EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:38:00 -
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Quote: you have NEVER shotten at me or anybody i flew with in catch or providence, YOU are the one who died to us 3 times and your setup is teh funny.
A shuttle, a pod, and a travel fitted AF in Litom? OMG you're teh uber! What are you, six? Again I'll have to dock you points for comprehension. You misread my post, and I'd like you to read it again and see if anything sticks. I'm doubtful, but we'll see. Unlike yourself, I was careful in my choice of words.
Quote: and you still dont understand how irrelevant your post is to this thread?
Your comprehension is almost as bad as your grammar and spelling. Allow me to elucidate:
Paraphrased OP: It's ironic that the north gets called a NAPfest by the south. Me: Not really, it's just double standards - and incorrect at that.
To the OP: Apologies for the derailing, I'll desist...
-- Tractor Beams Caldari Buff |
BuIIseye
Amarr Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: MKeeper
Originally by: TheArchJudge
*sigh* Corp: Midnight Cartel Member Count: 1
Must not feed the trolls
:rolleyes: Corp: Finfleet Member Count: 360
and my post above still contained more points relevant to the OP than yours.
Lol, nice comeback, you are definitly my idol when it comes to 1-man alt corp trolling ------------------------------ Yes i am hax0r
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:47:00 -
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I felt the irony, too. I have zero problems with allies NAPing up, I just got a giggle out of the fact that BoB went on (and on, and on, AND ON) about The North being a "Napland", and have proceeded to follow in exactly the same foot steps.
Just because you're BoB, it doesn't make it any more or any less lame --------
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Salastils Alt
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Salastils Alt on 09/06/2007 19:47:39 Non-Aggression Pact: A non-aggression pact is an international treaty between two or more states, agreeing to avoid war or armed conflict between them and resolve their disputes through peaceful negotiations. Sometimes such a pact may include a pledge of avoiding armed conflict even if participants find themselves fighting third countries, including allies of one the participants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_aggression_pact
Now what you idiots are talking about Collective defense is an arrangement, usually formalized by a treaty and an organization, among participant states that commit support in defense of a member state if it is attacked by another state outside the organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_defense
If you're going to try to imitate intelligent people you should learn the proper words they use.
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Salastils Alt Edited by: Salastils Alt on 09/06/2007 19:47:39 Non-Aggression Pact: A non-aggression pact is an international treaty between two or more states, agreeing to avoid war or armed conflict between them and resolve their disputes through peaceful negotiations. Sometimes such a pact may include a pledge of avoiding armed conflict even if participants find themselves fighting third countries, including allies of one the participants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_aggression_pact
Now what you idiots are talking about Collective defense is an arrangement, usually formalized by a treaty and an organization, among participant states that commit support in defense of a member state if it is attacked by another state outside the organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_defense
If you're going to try to imitate intelligent people you should learn the proper words they use.
Both of these are regularly referred to as NAPs in an EVE context since CCP in their infinite wisdom decided to name the highest alliance standing category 'NAP'. So stop splitting words.
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Check Availbilty
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:15:00 Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:10:22
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 o rly, why are you so sure that the north didnt do it the same way, and except for the fix and mc nap the relations ship between iron, rzr and others in the north where longer then the new friends bob made.
Iam quiet amused how ppl like you josh try to pretend that you are any different then the nap fest up north.
They didn't lift much of a finger when their friends where dieing, that right there is the diffrence.
what finger do you want to lift, against such massiv odds? put in more caps, lose more battles? Better a tactical retreat then losing massiv fleets.
Anyhow you can pretend as long as you want how different you are, but in the end you are just as much a nap fest as the north was.
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welsh wizard
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:57:00 -
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You have some superiority complex right there metal dude. Careful that chip on your shoulder doesn't cause you to lose your balance now.
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iudex
Caldari Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:57:00 -
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Thats only the beginning. Soon BoB will have more and more 0.0 space and let more pets live there who will be blue to BoB and the other pets. Their goal is to conquer all of 0.0 and after this even Empire, according to the article mentioned in the news ?
Imagine what we have then: no more larger fighting at all. If 2 alliances have a problem they both go to BoB and BoB will make a judgement and decide the dispute. Everyone will mine, rat, run complexes and pay tax to bob. Minerals will be worth nothing because noone buys ships as hardly any ships are lost, GTCs will cost 2 billion / 30 days and everyone will feel strong/ueber because he is in a such powerful alliance conglomerate.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Check Availbilty
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:15:00 Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:10:22
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 o rly, why are you so sure that the north didnt do it the same way, and except for the fix and mc nap the relations ship between iron, rzr and others in the north where longer then the new friends bob made.
Iam quiet amused how ppl like you josh try to pretend that you are any different then the nap fest up north.
They didn't lift much of a finger when their friends where dieing, that right there is the diffrence.
what finger do you want to lift, against such massiv odds? put in more caps, lose more battles? Better a tactical retreat then losing massiv fleets.
Anyhow you can pretend as long as you want how different you are, but in the end you are just as much a nap fest as the north was.
me
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.06.09 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei
Both of these are regularly referred to as NAPs in an EVE context since CCP in their infinite wisdom decided to name the highest alliance standing category 'NAP'. So stop splitting words.
Actually NAP is +2.5 (aka light blue), Friend is +5.0 (dark blue) in alliance standings.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
Caldari EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:00:00 -
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Quote: Now what you idiots are talking about Collective defense is an arrangement, usually formalized by a treaty and an organization, among participant states that commit support in defense of a member state if it is attacked by another state outside the organization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_defense
This could also be referred to as "Entente", but you're right in principle. Put simply, it describes a 'diplomatic understanding' to defend one's neighbour. The term isn't used nearly enough as it should be, nor it's counterpart "DTtente", meaning a 'warming up' of previously hostile parties, which could lead to a NAP.
Not that this is really relevant though, as was pointed out most "NAPfest" accusations are simply a way of attempting to rile up the opposition. An angry enemy makes mistakes...
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Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:02:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Jotan Veer
Originally by: Shirei
Both of these are regularly referred to as NAPs in an EVE context since CCP in their infinite wisdom decided to name the highest alliance standing category 'NAP'. So stop splitting words.
Actually NAP is +2.5 (aka light blue), Friend is +5.0 (dark blue) in alliance standings.
Check again.
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Tito Taneki
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tito Taneki on 09/06/2007 20:03:42
Originally by: Gutsani *sigh*
south: people are napped because they fear BoB -> BoB = leader
north: people want to carebear in peace without fighting eachother, so they nap -> no leader
the north was a "peacefull region" while the south was more like the soviet union.
Carebearing in peace for the sake of it is a goal for renters and such. You can't build something that lasts and is independent with that goal, because you have to compete with entities, who understand peace as a time to prepare for war.
And a goal like carebearing in peace doesn't hold a group together in war times for long. If the war goes on, those people realize that the ieasiest way to get their peace again is switching sides or leaving the area. It's just an inferior concept in EVE. ;)
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Jotan Veer
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:04:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: Jotan Veer
Originally by: Shirei
Both of these are regularly referred to as NAPs in an EVE context since CCP in their infinite wisdom decided to name the highest alliance standing category 'NAP'. So stop splitting words.
Actually NAP is +2.5 (aka light blue), Friend is +5.0 (dark blue) in alliance standings.
Check again.
I set alliance standings almost every day, trust me.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:07:00 -
[49]
March 2007:-
Coalition 23000 BoB & Alliance 12500
Coalition failed. You can discuss NAPs all day now.
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NAFnist
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:15:00 -
[50]
can i also be napzored with?
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MKeeper
Midnight Cartel
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:16:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Blacklight March 2007:-
Coalition 23000 BoB & Alliance 12500
Coalition failed. You can discuss NAPs all day now.
I'd imagine even you aren't dimwitted enough to simply count alliance numbers and assume that's the total number of players active in the war.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 09/06/2007 20:26:48 Eve is on infinite repeat: 1. bob naps a ton of people 2. bob kills their enemies 3. bob un-naps, and kills their most powerful former friends. 4. bob carebears for a long time 5. repeat
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WARPIG3
Gallente Iron Dragon Corp Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:30:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Blacklight March 2007:-
Coalition 23000 BoB & Alliance 12500
Coalition failed. You can discuss NAPs all day now.
Is that before or after the CCP NAP?
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Manfred Sideous
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:35:00 -
[54]
OMG people just admit defeat and go on. Why is it every time some gets ganked losses a fight or fails to succeed they have to shelter under excuses. The side that isnt BOB got wooped plain and simple.
You can spin things however you wish but the truth remains the same. Upset about it ? Mad about it ? Well take the lessons you learned the energy you have and do it better.
Bonus Advice = If you wanna RUN with the BIG DOGS dont sit on the PORCH and **** like a PUPPY.
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VinceNoir
Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:36:00 -
[55]
Edited by: VinceNoir on 09/06/2007 20:36:17
Originally by: WARPIG3
Originally by: Blacklight March 2007:-
Coalition 23000 BoB & Alliance 12500
Coalition failed. You can discuss NAPs all day now.
Is that before or after the CCP NAP?
Dude that was hilarious. Oh, no. The other thing, tedious. Whole CCP/BoB thing got old months ago.
This thread needs some Hammertown tbh.
Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
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Kramer Verone
Amarr TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:37:00 -
[56]
i see that aftermath lost their station in deklein?
setting eyes on some other space nearby? wise decision
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:38:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Check Availbilty what finger do you want to lift, against such massiv odds? put in more caps, lose more battles? Better a tactical retreat then losing massiv fleets.
Anyhow you can pretend as long as you want how different you are, but in the end you are just as much a nap fest as the north was.
If they had bothered to try and unite their efforts they could have halted the invasion in Fade or Deklein, having a big capital fleet is just jollies but if you trash the support fleet you wont see the cap fleet anywhere near the battlefield. -----
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VinceNoir
Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.09 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kramer Verone i see that aftermath lost their station in deklein?
Um, no.
Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
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pershphanie
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gaia Thorn it is just me that finds it ironic that Bob/pets/etc.. called north for a NAP fest whilst every corp they foguht either napped up or got steam rolled ?
Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony just struck whilst reading theese forums and watching the map.
Well the harsh reality we learned when we attacked tenal is that you have to work as a multi-alliance coalition if you want to fight the northerners. We went up there trying to be independent of the alliance. We timed our attack so D2 was busy hoping we could get a strait up alliance vs alliance fight with RZR. What we got in return from Rzr was a fight vs 7 alliances with 150-250 man blobs every day. We had no reasonable alternative at that point. The north allows no other method of fighting them.
The difference is a matter of tactics. The alliance napped so they could get a reasonable fight out of the north. The northern coalition (with the exception of TRI and pandemic) napped for the stability and growth of their alliances. For the north's strategy of napping to be really effective it relies on blobbing instead of fighting against anything they consider a threat. Some people might consider that a very boring way to play the game. It wasn't a dumb strategy. Just boring. Also it didn't hold up very well once the alliance got enough numbers to counter it.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stormer Now a days EVE is a napfest. Everyone is so scared of everyone else, they NAP everyone else.
Or they just join a roaming gank corp and so avoid any real risks at all?
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Keeto
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:12:00 -
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There is a huge difference in all of this, the north just let each other die one by one but in the south when a friend needs help, you get your arse in gear. This is a fairly redundant statement seeing as how so many have already hit on this but we work together for a common goal and assist anyone who is blue. In the north they just refrained from shooting one another and sat around waiting for their demise.
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Emrod
Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.09 21:20:00 -
[62]
Booooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!!!!!!!
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.09 22:29:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 09/06/2007 22:29:42
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Gaia Thorn it is just me that finds it ironic that Bob/pets/etc.. called north for a NAP fest whilst every corp they foguht either napped up or got steam rolled ?
Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony just struck whilst reading theese forums and watching the map.
Well the harsh reality we learned when we attacked tenal is that you have to work as a multi-alliance coalition if you want to fight the northerners. We went up there trying to be independent of the alliance. We timed our attack so D2 was busy hoping we could get a strait up alliance vs alliance fight with RZR. What we got in return from Rzr was a fight vs 7 alliances with 150-250 man blobs every day. We had no reasonable alternative at that point. The north allows no other method of fighting them.
The difference is a matter of tactics. The alliance napped so they could get a reasonable fight out of the north. The northern coalition (with the exception of TRI and pandemic) napped for the stability and growth of their alliances. For the north's strategy of napping to be really effective it relies on blobbing instead of fighting against anything they consider a threat. Some people might consider that a very boring way to play the game. It wasn't a dumb strategy. Just boring. Also it didn't hold up very well once the alliance got enough numbers to counter it.
sry thats not quiet right...
See if you would go and attack lets say xelas for their Stations, you would face, xelas fatal and the other 3 alliances living there, when things get tough you also face bob. So your point is not valid as everyone would bring him and his mom to the field.
Or you go and attack D-L serious for their space, exec would come
Just enter random names here the outcome will always be the same, ppl helping each other.
TRI is just napping cause they wanted to be on the winners side when the outcome was quiet clear.
Anyhow the anti north guys can belive what ever they want, their nap fest is as good or bad as the north one.
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Originally by: Major Stormer Now a days EVE is a napfest. Everyone is so scared of everyone else, they NAP everyone else.
Or they just join a roaming gank corp and so avoid any real risks at all?
well or some ppl are not intrested in sitting at pos or stand up early to boost/kill pos. When you have conq stations you are also facing tons of disadvantages, and from my side of the fence a game shouldnt be about alarm clocks and long nighters, cause its just a game you should njoy.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.09 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani *sigh*
south: people are napped because they fear BoB -> BoB = leader
north: people want to carebear in peace without fighting eachother, so they nap -> no leader
the north was a "peacefull region" while the south was more like the soviet union.
you mean soviet union is fighting the russians? Oo my head hurts...
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.09 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.
The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.
I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :)
I have to break the word given to someone, but here it goes.
You're writting with "political correct" words facts that resume to this: MC serves BoB interest and all of the others just switched sides to get a bite of some space; they don't care about the rest, they don't care about BoB, they just want space.
If MC is not there, everything halts. You have my respect, MC, you play good, you saw in advance what capital warfare will bring, but let's not kid ourselves about the rest...
If anyone sees it differently, he/she needs a reality check.
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dastommy79
Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.09 23:05:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.
The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.
I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :)
I have to break the word given to someone, but here it goes.
You're writting with "political correct" words facts that resume to this: MC serves BoB interest and all of the others just switched sides to get a bite of some space; they don't care about the rest, they don't care about BoB, they just want space.
If MC is not there, everything halts. You have my respect, MC, you play good, you saw in advance what capital warfare will bring, but let's not kid ourselves about the rest...
If anyone sees it differently, he/she needs a reality check.
Couldnt agree more.
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Meryth
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.09 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.
Do the forum rules allow me to say you're a moron? Before G disbanded (Hi Gyro btw ) we were all fighting together at a time where BoB and 5 were the largest PvP NAP in the universe.
While it was repeatedly asked to BoB why they weren't having a go at 5, the true challenge that never happened, they were repeatedly replying 'because we are good friends'.
The northerners were denied the right to have friends, apparently.
When it comes to recent history, the north was fighting hand in hand (which is incorrect since communication was rather inexistant) and IRON pilots were flying with MM gangs and all northern pilots were flying in all northern gangs because the pilots know each other since... well the GNW for the most part.
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Proconsul Para
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.09 23:29:00 -
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As a wise man said in the early days of EVE: "Enouf discushen, deth to all"
Too bad we can't pod you back to noobcorp, stoneage, whatever...
Originally by: hired goon IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in.
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laotse
Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.10 00:05:00 -
[69]
nap friends show your arse its all the same still come ,s to bob killing a eve near you http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
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Slayton Ford
Vindicate and Deliverance ASGARDIAN EMPIRE
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Posted - 2007.06.10 00:20:00 -
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The north was a napfest; that much was appaernt and agreed upon. What BoB + the bobbits are is much more then a napfest. Its at least a bunch of mutual defense agreements along willingness to join up for offensive attacks against a specific enemy. This is something the coalition never had. But the only reason why this exists among the bobbits is because of their bob overlord. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer... |
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 00:57:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Originally by: Major Stormer Now a days EVE is a napfest. Everyone is so scared of everyone else, they NAP everyone else.
Or they just join a roaming gank corp and so avoid any real risks at all?
well or some ppl are not intrested in sitting at pos or stand up early to boost/kill pos. When you have conq stations you are also facing tons of disadvantages, and from my side of the fence a game shouldnt be about alarm clocks and long nighters, cause its just a game you should enjoy.
I am not interested in those things either, I dont think many people are.
I just find it funny when you have people that accuse those in 0.0 holding space of being scaredy cats because they have NAPS when they are sat in zero risk roaming pvp corps.
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.10 01:19:00 -
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this thread is hillarious
there is no difference in the southern nap or northern nap fest none at all, in both nap fest one entity was the main guy who called the shots the only difference is that the northern nap fest is / was more in the eye of the public because of the forumwarriors of the south and not enough northern forum warriors to uncover that the southern thing is just the same ________
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Third Down
Hard Rock Cafe
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Posted - 2007.06.10 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:15:00 Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:10:22
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 o rly, why are you so sure that the north didnt do it the same way, and except for the fix and mc nap the relations ship between iron, rzr and others in the north where longer then the new friends bob made.
Iam quiet amused how ppl like you josh try to pretend that you are any different then the nap fest up north.
They didn't lift much of a finger when their friends where dieing, that right there is the diffrence.
That is definitely the difference.
IRON were too proud to ask for help. D2 was too busy falling apart with its internal carebear vs pvper struggle. Also played some very bad political hands with YW and TRI. RAZOR was busy having fun in the south and was recalled only when it was too late.
And of course that 50-dread loss in F-T? Where the intel was never properly confirmed? Many pilots lost personal dreadnoughts that they didn't and won't bother replacing.
Bad generaling by northern leaders.
Two alliances have a fight left in them: RAZOR and Morsus Mihi. Combined, and with the rump of D2 (X-T etc), they might even have enough supercaps to hold Tribute.
Also as far as anyone has reported, the MC isn't contracted to take Tribute. But that's not reliable info.
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Minigin
Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.10 02:35:00 -
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why is this thread not locked? i made one almost identical a week ago and it didnt last past half a page...
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Don Z0LA
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2007.06.10 03:08:00 -
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there is difference in those 2 naps. north nap is mostly out of friendship and common interests. while bob nap is system with lord (bob) and vasals (pet alliances) and based on interests only. thou it works better :|
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 03:10:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.
The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.
I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :)
I have to break the word given to someone, but here it goes.
You're writting with "political correct" words facts that resume to this: MC serves BoB interest and all of the others just switched sides to get a bite of some space; they don't care about the rest, they don't care about BoB, they just want space.
If MC is not there, everything halts. You have my respect, MC, you play good, you saw in advance what capital warfare will bring, but let's not kid ourselves about the rest...
If anyone sees it differently, he/she needs a reality check.
Actually this brings up an interesting thought. The location of MC's home space has been a PR problem, people find them too close to BoB politically and physically. But now they own stations in a few regions of the North, they could claim any piece of that space as their own without much trouble. Doing so would solve their location problem (albeit requiring a large move) and they would be getting a larger piece of space to boot.
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Darc Kaahar
Gallente Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 04:58:00 -
[77]
You're all thundering ******s. Every single one of you.
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Slow Joe
I can't believe it's not a noob corp
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Posted - 2007.06.10 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: VinceNoir Edited by: VinceNoir on 09/06/2007 20:36:17
Originally by: WARPIG3
Is that before or after the CCP NAP?
Dude that was hilarious. Oh, no. The other thing, tedious. Whole CCP/BoB thing got old months ago.
This thread needs some Hammertown tbh.
Wait a minute, MSN must have desync'ed
Originally by: Sochin In this case, we are razing 0.0 of all the useless debris and planting new seedling alliances that will blossom into beautiful flowers of awesomeness.
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mamolian
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.06.10 05:19:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: Jotan Veer
Originally by: Shirei
Both of these are regularly referred to as NAPs in an EVE context since CCP in their infinite wisdom decided to name the highest alliance standing category 'NAP'. So stop splitting words.
Actually NAP is +2.5 (aka light blue), Friend is +5.0 (dark blue) in alliance standings.
Check again.
He's correct far as I know.. although it may have been more clear if he used Greater than signs > :p
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.10 05:21:00 -
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Seems to me the difference between the two groups of NAP's were coordination, and willingness to step up to help eachother. Regardless of whether it were offensive or defensive movement.
Then again, what happens when the southern NAPs have nothing else to accomplish together? Will we see a repeat of history?
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Proconsul Para
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:13:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Turkantho this thread is hillarious
there is no difference in the southern nap or northern nap fest none at all [...] the only difference is that [...]
I agree. If you try to apply logic to a statement then it doesn't belong in CAOD, does it !?
Originally by: hired goon IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in.
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pershphanie
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:46:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Gaia Thorn it is just me that finds it ironic that Bob/pets/etc.. called north for a NAP fest whilst every corp they foguht either napped up or got steam rolled ?
Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony just struck whilst reading theese forums and watching the map.
Well the harsh reality we learned when we attacked tenal is that you have to work as a multi-alliance coalition if you want to fight the northerners. We went up there trying to be independent of the alliance. We timed our attack so D2 was busy hoping we could get a strait up alliance vs alliance fight with RZR. What we got in return from Rzr was a fight vs 7 alliances with 150-250 man blobs every day. We had no reasonable alternative at that point. The north allows no other method of fighting them.
The difference is a matter of tactics. The alliance napped so they could get a reasonable fight out of the north. The northern coalition (with the exception of TRI and pandemic) napped for the stability and growth of their alliances. For the north's strategy of napping to be really effective it relies on blobbing instead of fighting against anything they consider a threat. Some people might consider that a very boring way to play the game. It wasn't a dumb strategy. Just boring. Also it didn't hold up very well once the alliance got enough numbers to counter it.
sry thats not quiet right...
See if you would go and attack lets say xelas for their Stations, you would face, xelas fatal and the other 3 alliances living there, when things get tough you also face bob. So your point is not valid as everyone would bring him and his mom to the field.
Or you go and attack D-L serious for their space, exec would come
Just enter random names here the outcome will always be the same, ppl helping each other.
You might be right. I have no idea what D-L or Xelas space is like. I've never talked to D-L before and I havent spoken with Xelas since they lived in tenal. I was just speaking from personal experience of why we started to work with the coalition rather than go at it independently. We didn't go in there with the attention of napping everyone. But now I understand why everyone did nap up for this.
It certainly worked for a very long time and took massive coordination to split up. It wasn't a bad tactic. It was just an incredibly boring way to play the game. That's all I'm saying. Whether or not Xelas does it too doesn't make it more or less boring.
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1 TRI is just napping cause they wanted to be on the winners side when the outcome was quiet clear.
I'm not sure I buy that. I think Tri, pandemic, UDIE, and a few others joined your side to be part of an epic fight. And it seemed to live up to that for a while. Once the epic battles stopped they had gotten what they wanted so they split. I guess I don't really know what they were thinking, but that's my best guess.
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pershphanie
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.10 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Don Z0LA there is difference in those 2 naps. north nap is mostly out of friendship and common interests. while bob nap is system with lord (bob) and vasals (pet alliances) and based on interests only. thou it works better :|
Really?
Question for the coalition:
Did anyone out their get a warm funny friendly vibe from being napped with D2/IRON? Doesn't seem real likely to me.
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Alias11
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.10 08:06:00 -
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NORTH PEE PULLLLLL DOO DOO DOO
SOUTH PEE PULLLLLL DEE DEE DEE
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touchvill
Citadel of dark arts Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 08:55:00 -
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Gyro DuAquin1.
Why do you say we just want to join the winning side? That would mean we want to join the alliance which is a blatent mistruth told by the coalition.
People assume we have it easy, we don't have a side so everyone who enters Venal more or less are considered hostiles. We have it far from easy.
Last 4 weeks We have killed 553 battleships, 6 carriers and 8 dreadnaughts. Compare that to Razor, who have a fight on their hands for their space. 298 battleships killed, 8 carriers killed and 1 dreadnaught killed. It's by no means a hit on Razor, they are still fighting, good on them, that in itself deserves respect. It does show that in comparrision how much work we have to do on a weekly basis though.
If in your eyes Triumvirate are winning in something (Dunno what we can be winning at really, we are not doing anything special) then it's through hard work and not napping up with everyone.
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Larice
Minmatar 1st Angel Wing
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Posted - 2007.06.10 09:05:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Darc Kaahar You're all thundering ******s. Every single one of you.
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Chowdown
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.10 09:21:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Larice
Originally by: Darc Kaahar You're all thundering ******s. Every single one of you.
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.10 10:10:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Proconsul Para
Originally by: Turkantho this thread is hillarious
there is no difference in the southern nap or northern nap fest none at all [...] the only difference is that [...]
I agree. If you try to apply logic to a statement then it doesn't belong in CAOD, does it !?
selective quoteing ftw eh ??? you're pathetic ________
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:14:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Turkantho
Originally by: Proconsul Para
Originally by: Turkantho this thread is hillarious
there is no difference in the southern nap or northern nap fest none at all [...] the only difference is that [...]
I agree. If you try to apply logic to a statement then it doesn't belong in CAOD, does it !?
selective quoteing ftw eh ??? you're pathetic
hoping for reeducation in nol ftw eh ??? you're pathetic -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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Mattduk
Gallente Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:20:00 -
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I find it very simple-minded of the eve player to complain of NAPs, or comment on them in a derogatory way.
This is an MMORPG right? There are politics, and shared goals. NAPs and treaties are inevitable.
You don't wake up in the morning, in RL, and cry... Damn Europe! It's such a NAPFEST!!!
This isn't Counterstrike lads... its a tad deeper than that.
Kind regards Mattduk
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Mattduk
Gallente Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.06.10 11:24:00 -
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Actually, I'd also like to add that in my three years of playing this game, the experience is much different now than it was in the beginning, for many reasons of course, but I truly believe that the 'we don't want any blue, we just want to pew pew' organizations are contributing greatly to the changing face of eve. In a negative way I am sad to say.
But let's be fair to them, these kinds of players do not have the patience to do anything but.
Regards Mattduk
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: touchvill Gyro DuAquin1.
Why do you say we just want to join the winning side? That would mean we want to join the alliance which is a blatent mistruth told by the coalition.
People assume we have it easy, we don't have a side so everyone who enters Venal more or less are considered hostiles. We have it far from easy.
Last 4 weeks We have killed 553 battleships, 6 carriers and 8 dreadnaughts. Compare that to Razor, who have a fight on their hands for their space. 298 battleships killed, 8 carriers killed and 1 dreadnaught killed. It's by no means a hit on Razor, they are still fighting, good on them, that in itself deserves respect. It does show that in comparrision how much work we have to do on a weekly basis though.
If in your eyes Triumvirate are winning in something (Dunno what we can be winning at really, we are not doing anything special) then it's through hard work and not napping up with everyone.
afaik you napped mc, because, tell me why, cause all those ppl are brilliant targets, they travel alone have no scout and think that wcs will save them from dicotrs. Napping is just a target stealer. Less naps=more targets, mostly ppl nap other ppl because they hope to get something out of this, so whats tri intrested in? But iam quiet sure that a few entietes are not happy with how the space will be split in the end, and then well see how well your coaltion is, cause imo so of you have farted on sand in this war. :D
Well about your kill stats, those are nothing but stats, cause if we would take those away which are not related to the conflict, you end up somewhere, just because a kill is on your board doenst make it anything of an achivment, as ppl tend to add mails to their board with 14 randoms and 1 of the guys from the kb owner. But stats are nothign imo, venal is a target rich envoirement and ppl do dump things, just witness that everyday in GW.
I dont say that TRI is wining, iam just saying that Tri are pretending to be on no ones side, but you a few more naps then before MC and allies showed up.
@Persh trust me its the same everywhere, when you and attack someones space serious your pretty much facing his mom, uncle, daddy and all his big brothers. Or ppl have excuses why not to fight, even when numbers are in their favor at least 2-1
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:38:00 -
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If there's anyone that shouldn't be flamed for the new north napfest (tm) then it's TRI. Those guys earned their piece of cake on their own and probably would have taken on the North themselves in due time.
I honestly doubt they will keep their naps once the north has been removed of coalition forces. If they do, then you can smack em -
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.10 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard If there's anyone that shouldn't be flamed for the new north napfest (tm) then it's TRI. Those guys earned their piece of cake on their own and probably would have taken on the North themselves in due time.
I honestly doubt they will keep their naps once the north has been removed of coalition forces. If they do, then you can smack em
raiding space is something totaly different then conquer space, cause iam intrested how much patient ppl have when it comes to alarm clocks and pos warfare at its best.
But tbh TRI has good fighters and loads of nice ppl in their ranks.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:02:00 -
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Cleaned for off-topic posts, trolling and personal attacks.
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touchvill
Citadel of dark arts Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:39:00 -
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We were blue with MC on request of our good friends You What. YW were blue before they picked a side and remain blue. That does not mean we are on a side, it just means if they need us to get their backs we will. Not the rest of the alliance though.
MC now work exclusively with T.ITS who asked us for support in the start of their movement into Tenal we did that. Now we have set both MC and T.ITS to neutral. We don't want our own space yet. It will happen and when it does the people who's space we are taking will know it.
We helped Blind Beavers destroy 9 Hydra capital ships a few weeks back. Why was there no outcry then? It's the same scenario, they came and asked for our help and we gave it.
Quote: Well about your kill stats, those are nothing but stats, cause if we would take those away which are not related to the conflict, you end up somewhere, just because a kill is on your board doenst make it anything of an achivment, as ppl tend to add mails to their board with 14 randoms and 1 of the guys from the kb owner. But stats are nothign imo, venal is a target rich envoirement and ppl do dump things, just witness that everyday in GW.
The stats are not put up to brag that we killed loads because in truth we have lost more than we would normally of late. Fact remains them stats were put up to show how much more work we have to do BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ON ANY SIDE.
Quote: I dont say that TRI is wining, iam just saying that Tri are pretending to be on no ones side, but you a few more naps then before MC and allies showed up.
This makes very little sense. I will answer the first bit though as it's a bit more understandable. We are not pretending to not be on anyones side, we genuinely are not on any side and now only the numpties believe otherwise. The only alliance in all this that we are blue to is You What. We don't fly with them, they don't need our help. We turned down standings with everyone else and set T.ITS and MC Neutral. (T.ITS now are exclusively on the side of the alliance whereas at first they were not)
I will reiterate incase you missed the first million times I have said it. The only alliance involved in the conflicts which we are blue to is You What and they have been blue since way before we even joined the coalition in the first place. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Itzena
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard If there's anyone that shouldn't be flamed for the new north napfest (tm) then it's TRI. Those guys earned their piece of cake on their own and probably would have taken on the North themselves in due time.
I honestly doubt they will keep their naps once the north has been removed of coalition forces. If they do, then you can smack em
That reminds me...anyone want to guess how long before BoB has a standings reset with the new north?
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: touchvill We were blue with MC on request of our good friends You What. YW were blue before they picked a side and remain blue. That does not mean we are on a side, it just means if they need us to get their backs we will. Not the rest of the alliance though.
MC now work exclusively with T.ITS who asked us for support in the start of their movement into Tenal we did that. Now we have set both MC and T.ITS to neutral. We don't want our own space yet. It will happen and when it does the people who's space we are taking will know it.
We helped Blind Beavers destroy 9 Hydra capital ships a few weeks back. Why was there no outcry then? It's the same scenario, they came and asked for our help and we gave it.
Quote: Well about your kill stats, those are nothing but stats, cause if we would take those away which are not related to the conflict, you end up somewhere, just because a kill is on your board doenst make it anything of an achivment, as ppl tend to add mails to their board with 14 randoms and 1 of the guys from the kb owner. But stats are nothign imo, venal is a target rich envoirement and ppl do dump things, just witness that everyday in GW.
The stats are not put up to brag that we killed loads because in truth we have lost more than we would normally of late. Fact remains them stats were put up to show how much more work we have to do BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ON ANY SIDE.
Quote: I dont say that TRI is wining, iam just saying that Tri are pretending to be on no ones side, but you a few more naps then before MC and allies showed up.
This makes very little sense. I will answer the first bit though as it's a bit more understandable. We are not pretending to not be on anyones side, we genuinely are not on any side and now only the numpties believe otherwise. The only alliance in all this that we are blue to is You What. We don't fly with them, they don't need our help. We turned down standings with everyone else and set T.ITS and MC Neutral. (T.ITS now are exclusively on the side of the alliance whereas at first they were not)
I will reiterate incase you missed the first million times I have said it. The only alliance involved in the conflicts which we are blue to is You What and they have been blue since way before we even joined the coalition in the first place.
ok good that we cleared that again.
And i can confirm that standing on no ones side brings more kills :D
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touchvill
Citadel of dark arts Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 16:01:00 -
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If we had picked a side, I don't think we would get even half the kills we do now. It's such a target rich enviroment, especially sitting smack in the middle of one of the largest warzones.
It's not always easy to fight all the gangs that show up at random times. We do our best though to entertain. Things should get interesting too with Pandemic Legion moving into H-PA.
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:12:00 -
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Perhaps I've completely missed the point of why the North was called a NAPfest?
Honestly, as far as I can figure, the primary reason the term came about was due to the lack of general conflict there in comparison to the South. The term was somewhat derogatory in nature because the belief was that with a lack of conflict was a resulting lack of combat experience for most of the non-dedicated pvp pilots, hence making the North weaker by their own design; especially since many talented pvpers left the North because they couldn't get a decent fight close to home.
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USN CVN72
Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus Perhaps I've completely missed the point of why the North was called a NAPfest?
Honestly, as far as I can figure, the primary reason the term came about was due to the lack of general conflict there in comparison to the South. The term was somewhat derogatory in nature because the belief was that with a lack of conflict was a resulting lack of combat experience for most of the non-dedicated pvp pilots, hence making the North weaker by their own design; especially since many talented pvpers left the North because they couldn't get a decent fight close to home.
ya - its proven that naps suck... I will say this though if u know were to look there are plenty of hardcore pvpers up north. you just wont find them in the traditional alliance package...
all those pvpers that left the north were traditionally characters that left the south to look for new action and opportunity. Once they came up north and accomplished goals/contracts then they decided to head back south to the comfort of homeland...
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.10 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: touchvill If we had picked a side, I don't think we would get even half the kills we do now. It's such a target rich enviroment, especially sitting smack in the middle of one of the largest warzones.
It's not always easy to fight all the gangs that show up at random times. We do our best though to entertain. Things should get interesting too with Pandemic Legion moving into H-PA.
Let's hope the fun continues.
tbh thats the best thing ppl can do. its just loggin in, fighting switching ship, update clone and so on :D
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Velvet69
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.11 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin To the OP, do you know what NAP means???
Ok boys and girls here is a politcial lesson on packs or agreements. Non-Aggression Pack (NAP for the tards) Treaty only means if you don't shoot me I don't shoot you. THAT IS IT. It does NOT address common goals, trade, corp relationships, leaderships and roles, rules and regulations. A NAP just simply means you agree not to fight, end of story, move on.
There are Hundreds of OTHER Kinds of political relationships corps can have between themselves. There are stronger forms of "Alliances and Coalitions" that go far beyond a simple NAP. You have Owner/Tenant packs, military alliance packs, trade packs, political packs, defensive agreements etc. etc. that all can govern how corps and people behave among each other.
Trying to claim BOB is a napfeast means you don't have a clue what the hell you are talking about or understand the political process of Bob and friends. Try again, Next please!!
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Sho KuZa
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Posted - 2007.06.11 00:19:00 -
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pack...t?
I dunno!
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pershphanie
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.11 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Itzena
That reminds me...anyone want to guess how long before BoB has a standings reset with the new north?
We aren't even + with bob in the first place. Dunno what bob has to do with it really. Killing northerners and making land grabs is 4tw. Doesn't really involve bob much at all.
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