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Raven Timoshenko
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:50:00 -
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Here is an article about how scientists have transmitted a qubit of information 144kms through Quantum Entanglement Communication.
Sound Familiar?
http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn11985-new-distance-record-for-quantum-communication.html
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Vari on 07/06/2007 15:01:04
Yah :) The phenomena of quantum entanglement and it's application in communications has been researched for decades. It's good to see they continue to advance it.
Einstein is the genius thinker on so many levels. In animal terms you can make him akin to a Dove that can carry the tune of Handel's Messiah. He's that advanced under the noggin.
There's some good science in some of EvE's stories :)
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Agamemnon Illearth
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:02:00 -
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Of course they will advance it. What with all its military and government implication. 100% hack proof communication yes please where do we throw the tax payers money.
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Agamemnon Illearth Of course they will advance it. What with all its military and government implication. 100% hack proof communication yes please where do we throw the tax payers money.
In the military. We're still paying for spending decades ago. And the new one is fun too. We have a growing and unstoppable trade imbalance with China, but then we keep spending money on things that won't fix that problem. Better yet, China finances a growing portion of our debt. I'm moving to Europe . Thank goodness I can speak accentless Mandarin.
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vari In the military. We're still paying for spending decades ago. And the new one is fun too. We have a growing and unstoppable trade imbalance with China, but then we keep spending money on things that won't fix that problem. Better yet, China finances a growing portion of our debt. I'm moving to Europe . Thank goodness I can speak accentless Mandarin.
One does not simply walk into Mord.... err, Europe. Europe doesn't have as lenient immigration policies as America. Good luck with that.
And ya don't know what you are talking about in terms of trade imbalance. It's not a bad thing. gb2school
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Vari on 07/06/2007 15:17:11
Originally by: RedFall
And ya don't know what you are talking about in terms of trade imbalance. It's not a bad thing. gb2school
Yeah, I don't think it's a bad thing. But some Americans like the idea that their country is number one. Once the US is no longer economically number one, the only big title of the few they have left is military power. And who knows what those crazy Americans will do when China treats the US like the US treats Mexico.
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vari
Originally by: RedFall
And ya don't know what you are talking about in terms of trade imbalance. It's not a bad thing. gb2school
Yeah, I don't think it's a bad thing. But some Americans like the idea that their country is number one. Once the US is no longer economically number one, the only thing of few they have left is military power. And who knows what those crazy Americans will do when China treats the US like the US treats Mexico.
I, for one, welcome our new Mandarin overlords. Let's see how the world likes it when someone else is in power (We all know how nice and altruistic the Chinese government is, ). I, as an American, don't care a rats ass.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:25:00 -
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Copying my post from the other thread on this topic since it was locked for being a repost:
Technically they didn't transport the information through quantum entanglement--they used entanglement in a specific type of information transport that allows the lightspeed (not faster-than-light) teleportation of a quantum state. Its somewhat complex to explain, but by combining entanglement with a normal lightspeed signal they can teleport an entire quantum state, a feat very important in quantum computing. Note that they're teleporting it, not copying it, and the entanglement link itself doesn't actually transfer information, though it is critical to the process. See the Wikipedia article for more information.
It is impossible to use entanglement to transport information faster than light because of the no-cloning principle of quantum mechanics, contrary to EVE's backstory
This isn't the first time they've done this--its just more of a record in terms of distance, IIRC.
Still, its pretty damn cool.
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Padreic
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hooch Flux It's all a moot point really, cause everyone knows when CERN revs up their new toy in November we are all going to get sucked into an out of control man made black hole!
Unfortunately, the black hole will have to wait for 2008 (and perhaps for 2009 though it's not yet official )
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Agent Li on 07/06/2007 16:00:04
Originally by: Dark Shikari Copying my post from the other thread on this topic since it was locked for being a repost:
Technically they didn't transport the information through quantum entanglement--they used entanglement in a specific type of information transport that allows the lightspeed (not faster-than-light) teleportation of a quantum state. Its somewhat complex to explain, but by combining entanglement with a normal lightspeed signal they can teleport an entire quantum state, a feat very important in quantum computing. Note that they're teleporting it, not copying it, and the entanglement link itself doesn't actually transfer information, though it is critical to the process. See the Wikipedia article for more information.
It is impossible to use entanglement to transport information faster than light because of the no-cloning principle of quantum mechanics, contrary to EVE's backstory
This isn't the first time they've done this--its just more of a record in terms of distance, IIRC.
Still, its pretty damn cool.
Down at the bottom of this page is a fair explanation of why information isn't transferred at faster than light speeds. ------------------
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vari We have a growing and unstoppable trade imbalance with China, but then we keep spending money on things that won't fix that problem. Better yet, China finances a growing portion of our debt. I'm moving to Europe . Thank goodness I can speak accentless Mandarin.
If China actually paid for the software we wrote, the trade imbalance would look completely different.
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.07 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vari Einstein is the genius thinker on so many levels. In animal terms you can make him akin to a Dove that can carry the tune of Handel's Messiah. He's that advanced under the noggin.
Don't see what Einstein has to do with this. He hated quantum mechanics and advocated a "hidden variables" approach to it that is all but disproven at this point.
Originally by: voogru If China actually paid for the software we wrote, the trade imbalance would look completely different.
Unlikely. They'd probably write it themselves or find a free alternative if the issue was forced.
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Ogul
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.07 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Don't see what Einstein has to do with this. He hated quantum mechanics and advocated a "hidden variables" approach to it that is all but disproven at this point.
Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox?
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.07 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ogul
Originally by: Frezik
Don't see what Einstein has to do with this. He hated quantum mechanics and advocated a "hidden variables" approach to it that is all but disproven at this point.
Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox?
You'll note from reading the wiki article that it's not really a paradox. ------------------
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Ogul
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li
You'll note from reading the wiki article that it's not really a paradox.
Sometimes the term paradox is used for situations that are merely surprising.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: RedFall
Originally by: Vari In the military. We're still paying for spending decades ago. And the new one is fun too. We have a growing and unstoppable trade imbalance with China, but then we keep spending money on things that won't fix that problem. Better yet, China finances a growing portion of our debt. I'm moving to Europe . Thank goodness I can speak accentless Mandarin.
One does not simply walk into Mord.... err, Europe. Europe doesn't have as lenient immigration policies as America. Good luck with that.
And ya don't know what you are talking about in terms of trade imbalance. It's not a bad thing. gb2school
/me hugs EU Passport
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking (despite him stopping it ... ~Liz Kali
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.07 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ogul
Originally by: Frezik
Don't see what Einstein has to do with this. He hated quantum mechanics and advocated a "hidden variables" approach to it that is all but disproven at this point.
Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox?
To quote from there: "Although originally devised as a thought experiment that would demonstrate the incompleteness of quantum mechanics, actual experimental results refute the principle of locality, invalidating the EPR trio's original purpose. The "spooky action at a distance" that so disturbed the authors of EPR consistently occurs in numerous and widely replicated experiments."
In other words, Einstein was looking for a hidden variable interpretation (because he liked Scientific Determinism), and it turns out that QM doesn't behave like that.
After WWI, Einstein didn't give many contributions to science. While he worked on the Manhattan Project, this was largely a project about making a practical use of the theoretical work that Einstein (and others) had already done. If anything, Einstein may have set things back with his insistence that "God does not play dice".
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Heljarsnadi
Elastic Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.06.07 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Copying my post from the other thread on this topic since it was locked for being a repost:
Technically they didn't transport the information through quantum entanglement--they used entanglement in a specific type of information transport that allows the lightspeed (not faster-than-light) teleportation of a quantum state. Its somewhat complex to explain, but by combining entanglement with a normal lightspeed signal they can teleport an entire quantum state, a feat very important in quantum computing. Note that they're teleporting it, not copying it, and the entanglement link itself doesn't actually transfer information, though it is critical to the process. See the Wikipedia article for more information.
It is impossible to use entanglement to transport information faster than light because of the no-cloning principle of quantum mechanics, contrary to EVE's backstory
This isn't the first time they've done this--its just more of a record in terms of distance, IIRC.
Still, its pretty damn cool.
The equations on that page made my brain melt.
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.07 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Vari on 07/06/2007 23:40:02
So what's the problem Frezik? Einstein with his two other buddies started an experiment trying to claim quantum mechanics doesn't explain everything. What they found is that either it doesn't explain everything, but that if it does then "The result of a measurement performed on one part A of a quantum system has a non-local effect on the physical reality of another distant part B" (quantum entities are magically linked). This violated 'principle of locality' which is inherently wired in a human brain and universally accepted in physics (hence, it's called a principle instead of a theory).
But then clever scientists being who they were designed an experiment based on the strange claim by quantum mechanics and generated lots of results that supported the latter conclusion which did violate that very solid principle. Too bad Einstein didn't get to see the results.
Ogul and I pay homage to Einstein (and the other two) for accidentally figuring out and publishing the conclusion that helps make quantum communication possible. And for keeping to science and keeping an open mind. And now you're saying he wasn't involved, or that he is any less a physicist he's perceived to be for having trouble believing something that is still fairly outlandish today.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vari So what's the problem Frezik? Einstein with his two other buddies started an experiment trying to claim quantum mechanics doesn't explain everything. What they found is that either it doesn't explain everything, but that if it does then "The result of a measurement performed on one part A of a quantum system has a non-local effect on the physical reality of another distant part B" (quantum entities are magically linked). This violated 'principle of locality' which is inherently wired in a human brain and universally accepted in physics (hence, it's called a principle instead of a theory).
But then clever scientists being who they were designed an experiment based on the strange claim by quantum mechanics and generated lots of results that supported the latter conclusion which did violate that very solid principle. Too bad Einstein didn't get to see the results.
Ogul and I pay homage to Einstein (and the other two) for accidentally figuring out and publishing the conclusion that helps make quantum communication possible. And for keeping to science and keeping an open mind. And now you're saying he wasn't involved, or that he is any less a physicist he's perceived to be for having trouble believing something that is still fairly outlandish today.
Very good post.
Those who come up with a possible problem with a theory and as a result spur research into proving them incorrect are just as important as those who end up being correct.
Just because Einstein was wrong about Quantum Mechanics in many ways doesn't make him any less important.
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