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Du'kain
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:48:00 -
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Hmmm... Hard to take this seriously... Since it's an alliance named BoB... But... Going to the original post... Id continue playing, just gotta adapt your style, learn to become a habitual liar in the presence of people ya don't know too well, have more stringent recruiting methods (Like current background check screenies) Make BoB a common enemy, eventually when enough people hate BoB some corps might get enough skiled folk together to smack em in the face... Hell, if you had enough Pirate and Merc corps you'd have yourself one of the best PvP divisions in EvE. Pirates have many necessary qualites, Experience, Knowledge, Podkills, Thieves, Etc. Personally Im Pro-Pirate simply because they keep EvE fun, and I do detest BoB simply because they remind me of an old fat man with a gun taking potshots at a group of fighting soldiers. Sorry in advance. |
Troubadour
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:56:00 -
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this arguement is crap.
Bob, MC, and friends are still united against a common enemy. Take away that enemy and/or add in conflicting interests, and that unity falls apart. You can start to see it already in the north with TRI and others fighting alongside MC and friends one hour, and the next sending raiding parties and fleets into other MC allies up there. The north, while unified now for the most part, is starting to fall apart. Keep in mind my viewpoint this entire war could be most closely associate me with being a bob/mc fanboi. But I'm simply calling it as I see it. The north could turn into a hotbed of activity and new alliances/forces in the next few months.
As far as BoB, anyone who said that the only way they will fall is from inside, this is true. The only thing that would weaken BoB is a serious internal conflict. I don't see that happening as they are all united to fight goons and others in the south.
just my attempt as a non-biased viewpoint.
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Zell
Caldari The Black Raptors
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Posted - 2007.06.11 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Troubadour stuff
just my attempt as a un-informed viewpoint.
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band0fdevs
Gallente Band of Dev's
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Posted - 2007.06.12 01:39:00 -
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i thik bobs aims are mostly to take all the major important outposts across eve and rent them out - i think CCP need to nerf or add penalities for renting to many outposts to outside parties.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.06.12 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: band0fdevs i thik bobs aims are mostly to take all the major important outposts across eve and rent them out - i think CCP need to nerf or add penalities for renting to many outposts to outside parties.
i sense a character rename in the works.. GallenteCitizen827538
People argue when their personal views are at odds
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InnerDrive
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Posted - 2007.06.12 05:11:00 -
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bob will never be abble to control space , hell im in delve right now ganking some bob, control space?
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Rienholt
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Posted - 2007.06.12 06:14:00 -
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Honestly at some point its going to be in the best interest of BoB and the other big alliances to keep this war going. Trite as it may be to quote 1984, in this instance war really is peace. With out the consistent high demand for war material profits will shrivel and groups that otherwise would be content with renting space from another alliance because of the insane profits that can be reaped from selling goods and the corps/alliance that fight solely to fight are going to need something to do. Whether they turn to warfare with other renters or with the big dogs themselves is unpredictable but it is likely to spark another war where the balance has shifted away from the big, current alliances due to internal strife.
Note: When I use the term 'renters' I am referring to all corps and alliances that live in the territory of another.
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Natsumi Hikaru
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.12 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion The great thing about this war that nobody realizes is that there is no good, and there is no bad.
Only red, and blue.
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There is only one truth about War, People Die !
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Baske
Space-Bar
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Posted - 2007.06.12 16:28:00 -
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If BoB ever gets close to controlling 0.0 space, I bet my jolly buttock they will break up. This will happen, because of the simple fact that EVE (at that time) would have become boring to 1000's of BoBish pilots. Breaking up BoB will surely induce a lot of fun to those bored BoB'ish pvp pilots.
Another thought;
I am pretty sure that CCP, isn't interested in BoB gaining total sovereignity in 0.0. When BoB controls entire 0.0, many people will possibly quit EVE. Simply because game lost an important aspect to those people.
Another option, is that BoB wins, and CCP goes bankrupt :p
Anyway, this is just my theory about this.
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Nero Winger
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.12 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Baske If BoB ever gets close to controlling 0.0 space, I bet my jolly buttock they will break up. This will happen, because of the simple fact that EVE (at that time) would have become boring to 1000's of BoBish pilots. Breaking up BoB will surely induce a lot of fun to those bored BoB'ish pvp pilots.
Another thought;
I am pretty sure that CCP, isn't interested in BoB gaining total sovereignity in 0.0. When BoB controls entire 0.0, many people will possibly quit EVE. Simply because game lost an important aspect to those people.
Another option, is that BoB wins, and CCP goes bankrupt :p
Anyway, this is just my theory about this.
bob takes over the whole 0.0 and ppl start fighting back? how about this scenario?
oh yeah sorry i forgot, its easier to whine and run away than to do actually something productive
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SencneS
Amarr Balsarferskratchin Inc Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.12 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 12/06/2007 20:04:36 My take on this is BoB is securing their space. And I'm well aware Axiom Empire fights along side BoB. Covering the map under a single alliance or coalition may be easier then you think.
I look at this like apply pressure on the front lines. Eventually they will fail and then it's all down hill from there. To be honest BoB does have weak-spots which if anyone with half a brain and a solid force could hit BoB and do some serious damage.
But it's not happening and quite frankly I'm surprised. Being in the BoB Friendly coalition I'm not going to spit it out but honestly a group of maybe 100 pilots 25% of them cap ships could slow BoB progression and possibly force the BoB front lines to weaken.
Even if BoB complete domination of 0.0 space it's still difficult to maintain. Which is why you see Coalitions rather then under a single banner. The main fall-down for these alliances is timing. To be ultimately successful you need corps that operate in different time zones that overlap by 1 or 2 hours, giving you complete 23/7 alliance coverage. That's a hard thing to do, but I guarantee the alliance that does that will be one tough nut to edit:- Split... For some reason that particular saying is filtered and it's about as far from a swear word as possible.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:49:00 -
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as said they have weakness ( raiding parties into fountain when MC and co are elsewhere) hit em up thro syndicate, aridia ( no one can really maintain this for long tho)
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.13 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Resipsa Loquitor on 13/06/2007 14:19:20 I want to go to PotBS! I want to be a piewat!
Either that or teleport us to the Chinese server. That'd be the bonus round! ---
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Isis Dea
Minmatar Aspi-Vore Xenosaders North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Winger
Originally by: Baske If BoB ever gets close to controlling 0.0 space, I bet my jolly buttock they will break up. This will happen, because of the simple fact that EVE (at that time) would have become boring to 1000's of BoBish pilots. Breaking up BoB will surely induce a lot of fun to those bored BoB'ish pvp pilots.
Another thought;
I am pretty sure that CCP, isn't interested in BoB gaining total sovereignity in 0.0. When BoB controls entire 0.0, many people will possibly quit EVE. Simply because game lost an important aspect to those people.
Another option, is that BoB wins, and CCP goes bankrupt :p
Anyway, this is just my theory about this.
bob takes over the whole 0.0 and ppl start fighting back? how about this scenario?
oh yeah sorry i forgot, its easier to whine and run away than to do actually something productive
How about you define your idea of "fighting" back a bit more clearly, mate? Nobody, no other alliance in Eve to date, has the multi-Titan force of BOB's capital fleet. Nobody, no alliance in Eve to date, has multi-backing-"pet"-fleets (most of which due to fear) compared to BOB/allies. Nobody in Eve right now, besides the southern coalition (which we might soon see to an end) has the 0.0 playground to even try and generate such fleets.
And the building of a force in Empire?
BOB dominates the T2 market, BOB dominates the character selling market, and you gimp any attempt at a capital fleet (titans/motherships) by basing in empire.
The solution is thus become a BOB pet and serve till you generate a force then?
Suppose you somehow manage to keep BOB unaware of such a building of a force, suppose you manage in your pocket of space to generate that kind of firepower, suppose by miracle that it all works out... You'll be marked a traitor by the use of the forums to BOB, become a target for BOB and allies, and bring public support against you.
Bottom line, you simply "can't" fight BOB currently.
This isn't a whine. Despite I have a negative view of BOB, I am currently uninvolved in the fight hence I have no reason to care. However, I simply wanted to lock horns and kindly without the use of profanity, tell you "bull****".
P.S. And then again, this doesn't begin to factor in exploit use, developer involvement, or developer knowledge of Eve's structure and experience to use an advantage (via node drops, system limits, POS tweaks, etc. etc.) all of which BOB are also known to bring to the fray. ___
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Astasia Orian
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:12:00 -
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Quote: BOB dominates the T2 market, BOB dominates the character selling market, and you gimp any attempt at a capital fleet
Huh? This makes no sense. Our T2 goes to our members so they can use it to shoot people in the face. Certainly there is some proportion that hits the open market but it's a drop in the ocean compared to people like D2, who had the biggest portfolio of any of the alliances but chose to use it differently. Then there's all the ex ASCN corps and empirebears andandandand. Not to mention Khatred etc~ Oh and that little invention thing.
Anyway, it's fun to be feared for being awesome and all that, but you're taking it rather too far. Glad you got that PS DEVHAXZ bit at the end of your post though, it really added to the vim and verve of it all.
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Isis Dea
Minmatar Aspi-Vore Xenosaders North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Isis Dea on 13/06/2007 17:52:34
Originally by: Astasia Orian
Quote: BOB dominates the T2 market, BOB dominates the character selling market, and you gimp any attempt at a capital fleet
Huh? This makes no sense. Our T2 goes to our members so they can use it to shoot people in the face. Certainly there is some proportion that hits the open market but it's a drop in the ocean compared to people like D2, who had the biggest portfolio of any of the alliances but chose to use it differently. Then there's all the ex ASCN corps and empirebears andandandand. Not to mention Khatred etc~ Oh and that little invention thing.
Anyway, it's fun to be feared for being awesome and all that, but you're taking it rather too far. Glad you got that PS DEVHAXZ bit at the end of your post though, it really added to the vim and verve of it all.
Even with ASCN, STK Scientific was the main T2 producer of ASCN's military. Thats why it hurt when they left (I know because I was in ASCN when it happened). But even with STK Scientific, they even voiced complaint about how well BOB has entrenced itself in the T2 market.
D2, from what I got as an outsider, they perfered to avoid the empire markets rather than entrench themselves in it. Thus their production was used to hand out to the ranks of D2 rather than to the empire market.
Besides, from what I was told from Evolution, perhaps even before ASCN or D2 (and I can confirm before STK Scientific made their T2 BPO purchase) involved themselves, didn't Evolution already claim some %45 of the T2 market in the Jita hub alone? (Not counting the other members of BOB)
In regards to invention, it'll probably even the market and perhaps weaken all holds on T2; this may very well weaken BOB but it will also weaken everyone else out there.
Also keep in mind the ISK already made from the T2 market monopoly alone may cover any weakness BOB will meet with invention.
Bottom line, BOB still dominates.
P.S. I apologize if the statement about the exploits sounds like a lame bias. I simply quote the public. I, only once, was actually a victim to one of the exploits (it was confirmed to be an exploit by the local GM) of a small BOB POS in lowsec where modules were removed while in reinforced and more strontium was added (we met the POS when it come out of reinforced "both" times and did kill the tower in the end but the sore remains). Plus a friend from the old days of MOO was kind enough to fill me in on a few of the used (& perhaps now fixed) exploits BOB used to run with. ___
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Zagum Darkfin
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:02:00 -
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I blame Xanadu for controlling the T2 market. I should know, I helped build it to the powerhouse it was. That was back in the FA days. I did not know that Xanadu exists and belongs to Bob?? Oh where oh where have those BPOs gone.
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Tito Taneki
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tito Taneki on 13/06/2007 18:12:27 My motto is: Wait and see.
Personally I've no real interest to participate in something like All vs. BoB. On the All side there would be a few people I'm never going to fly with for strong personal reasons. I'd rather watch BoB taking all of 0.0 and kill them. Beside that I don't like playing in a mindless unorganized blob of thousands with lack of coordination.
For me the question is: Is conquerable space worth so much that I'd do things for it that I really don't like and go against BoB at all costs ? The answer is: No.
I'm rather relaxed: Either the will be a balance of power again in the future with new organized forces that can match someone like BoB or not, but personally I'm not gonna go into a team-up with everyone-and-his-mother and throw everything against BoB war. Just doesn't interest me.
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Isis Dea
Minmatar Aspi-Vore Xenosaders North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tito Taneki Edited by: Tito Taneki on 13/06/2007 18:12:27 My motto is: Wait and see.
Personally I've no real interest to participate in something like All vs. BoB. On the All side there would be a few people I'm never going to fly with for strong personal reasons. I'd rather watch BoB taking all of 0.0 and kill them. Beside that I don't like playing in a mindless unorganized blob of thousands with lack of coordination.
For me the question is: Is conquerable space worth so much that I'd do things for it that I really don't like and go against BoB at all costs ? The answer is: No.
I'm rather relaxed: Either the will be a balance of power again in the future with new organized forces that can match someone like BoB or not, but personally I'm not gonna go into a team-up with everyone-and-his-mother and throw everything against BoB war. Just doesn't interest me.
BOB have earned their time of glory. Folks don't need to fight that. Right now I will simply enjoy their company and expect others to do the same. In due time perhaps another will rise to show better attributes but right now BOB holds all the cards and any attempt to try and fight that without any cards will just bring about defeat. ___
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Wasted Mind
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Wasted Mind on 13/06/2007 19:55:57 Ehh, though i will say from what i have witnessed bob is vastly more organized then the southern alliances i doubt it would come to a complete 0.0 domination. If anything a southern bob2 type alliance would eventualy form up simply because there wouldn't be any alliances left and the many that crumbled under bobs feet would finally form up as one. Hell, even if bob does win and controls all of 0.0 it won't effect the hit and run pirate corps much. So if bob does win just get ready to yell out a good YAAR!! and hope for the best. ;)
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Kuzya
Mjeh's Venture Company
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Posted - 2007.06.13 21:00:00 -
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Well, not sure if its possible by anyone currently to confront BoB with their current flow of resources and actually win/break them, as their resources are bigger than what everyone can throw at them.
Perhaps elements of insurgency, PoS sabotaging, smuggling nuclear warheads and such would rattle their cage or pillars some, if such gameelements where introduced.
To crush BoB, their destruction must come from within, or, an equal coalition or new alliance with same resources (except that BoB already lies miles ahead in preparations and thus by default have the advantage) came up front, only then their positions would be threatened.
Meanwhile, if they dont collapse under their current leadership/internal struggles, I expect rest of the population at some point that is active in conquerable space to 'kneel' for the new merging empire, renting their space.
To CCP: May I suggest alternative game mechanics introduced to make things more interesting, possible expanded to covert op operations in regards to sabotage missions, 'sail under false flag', infiltration/illegal docking to enemy bases and so forth, in order to create 'weak points' for ambushes/hostile takeovers? Would render the current untouchable alliances more vurneable to smaller groups in different areas than just out front battles, and, maybe things like these would aid in sparking internal conflicts or struggles.
Else, enemy coalitions/alliances simply have to struggle on, waiting for internal struggle to occur, or finally surrender over and become a pet/slave/renter in 0.0 space.
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.13 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kuzya
To CCP: May I suggest alternative game mechanics introduced to make things more interesting, possible expanded to covert op operations in regards to sabotage missions, 'sail under false flag', infiltration/illegal docking to enemy bases and so forth, in order to create 'weak points' for ambushes/hostile takeovers? Would render the current untouchable alliances more vurneable to smaller groups in different areas than just out front battles, and, maybe things like these would aid in sparking internal conflicts or struggles.
Else, enemy coalitions/alliances simply have to struggle on, waiting for internal struggle to occur, or finally surrender over and become a pet/slave/renter in 0.0 space.
You mean, like, ummmmmm spies?
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Kuzya
Mjeh's Venture Company
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Posted - 2007.06.13 22:09:00 -
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Sort of, except that they arent necessary a member of the corporation or the enemy alliance. Ingame supportive code for guerilla warfare/insurgency if you will, at some level.
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Morela
Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.14 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Troubadour The north, while unified now for the most part, is starting to fall apart. Keep in mind my viewpoint this entire war could be most closely associate me with being a bob/mc fanboi. But I'm simply calling it as I see it. The north could turn into a hotbed of activity and new alliances/forces in the next few months.
As far as BoB, anyone who said that the only way they will fall is from inside, this is true. The only thing that would weaken BoB is a serious internal conflict. I don't see that happening as they are all united to fight goons and others in the south.
just my attempt as a non-biased viewpoint.
Nahh, thats just because the North is sort of like the place the Shining takes place in.. It turns even the most logical and friendly people into bloodthirsty maniacs wielding heavy weapons..
<sniff> god I miss it so...
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EliteEagle
WeeFreeMen Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.14 08:14:00 -
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And just how long does anybody think one entity could control 0.0
I thought this was a PVP game, pew pew
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band0fdevs
Gallente Band of Dev's
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Posted - 2007.06.14 09:16:00 -
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its begun xelas kicked out of fountain. Could just be the removal of the deadwood but still weaknesses remain for anyone wanting to launch hit and run raids into delve and fountain
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Tartarus Vile
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Posted - 2007.06.14 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tartarus Vile on 14/06/2007 11:04:54
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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2007.06.14 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Anglo on 14/06/2007 11:12:24 the best way to beat bob really is thrue boredom... most old players know this... lay down weapons against them and there "paid friends" and go to empire... WHEN they war dec you in empire. u dock at a station and wait it out.. giving them no targets will kill em... figthing them wont. and as aaid.. most players know this is the truth also bob......
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Agmar
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.14 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Anglo Edited by: Anglo on 14/06/2007 11:12:24 u dock at a station and wait it out.. giving them no targets will kill em... figthing them wont. and as aaid.. most players know this is the truth also bob......
Sitting in a station... now that is PWNAGE!!11!
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Isis Dea
Minmatar Aspi-Vore Xenosaders North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.06.14 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: EliteEagle
And just how long does anybody think one entity could control 0.0
I thought this was a PVP game, pew pew
Given how much BOB has shown to have adapted already to the ever growing list of toys vs. alliances and toys not meant for alliances... I must say that a strategy to govern 0.0 would be a minor issue.
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