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Dr Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.02 03:56:00 -
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Is the below a good fit to run C1s? Does it need more tank or is it fine (it's got 199 omni tank, 373 dps)? BTW you can use a core probe launcher to scan down WHs, right? Never done that sort of thing before. Thanks!
[Drake, C1 Runner] Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.01.02 04:01:00 -
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Might work. Hard to tell the tank unless i put it in EFT. Biggest pain with C1's is lots of frigs. So the rigs will help. I also use a web and TP personally. |
Dr Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.02 04:04:00 -
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Oh, sorry should probably include that info.
It has 199 omni tank and 373 dps. OP updated. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.01.02 04:22:00 -
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Made me log in and check.
I've been in a C1 about 5 months now. Your DPS will definitely be fine. Your tank could be a bit on the low side, but it all depends on how good your fit can chew through sleeper frigs. C1 sites have only frigs and cruisers. and some have a large number of frigs.
Ive been running sites with dual drakes that tanks about 289DPS. Just yesterday I had to warp one drake off. Due to running several sites (there are a couple that have a sizable number of neuting sleepers) plus the warping between the sites, I ended up with one taking full aggro and got nueted out. Without the hardeners on, i got the shield alarm for the first time. It may have been ok but since i had 2 drakes going, i just warped off for them to switch targets and came right back.
Normally shields never go below 40% on either drake.
2 other things.
Unless you are going to be salvaging with another ship, you will want a salvager. sleeper loot is in the salvage, especially a C1.
also, given the average value of a C1 sleeper site, you may want to drop to Meta3 launchers. The "arbalest" are a fair premium in cost. Greater risk/reward ratio. |
Dr Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.02 04:48:00 -
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Lots of useful info, thank you. I'll be using an alt to do the salvaging, so no issues there. Swapping out one BCS for a SPR increases the tank to 262, while decreasing the DPS to 331. Dropping down to Meta3 further reduces DPS to 295. I also tried to fit 7 T2 HMLs in there to see what it would look like, but was forced to readjust the design because of the CPU limit, getting 308 DPS with 277 omni-tank. I don't have the skills for T2 HML, though, and it doesn't look like there is much difference between a T2 and Meta3 fit anyway. What do you think?
Here's the T2 HML fit
[Drake, C1 Runner] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Shield Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.01.02 05:22:00 -
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Here's my current setup. It has a omni tank of 224, DPS at around 280. The DPS is fine. The big thing is getting the DPS against frigs to be optimal. Your setup may do better with that. I have mine rigged this way as I use them also for when I get C2-C3 connections. I swap out the web and TP for more tank. I may try a setup rigged better against frigs, but I have been lazy.
Also Keep in mind I run these in pairs. It's not absolutely necessary, as one would easily solo it. But in a pair I can clear most sites in about 6 min.
[Drake, WH C1 Current Fit]
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile [Empty High slot]
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Stasis Webifier II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.02 08:59:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Might work. Hard to tell the tank unless i put it in EFT. Biggest pain with C1's is lots of frigs. So the rigs will help. I also use a web and TP personally.
I've never had trouble killing sleeper frigs in a drake even without TPs, webs, or any rigs. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
96
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Posted - 2012.01.02 13:13:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Might work. Hard to tell the tank unless i put it in EFT. Biggest pain with C1's is lots of frigs. So the rigs will help. I also use a web and TP personally. I've never had trouble killing sleeper frigs in a drake even without TPs, webs, or any rigs.
Good for you. I was never saying the frigs are hard to kill. But it is fairly obvious that heavy missiles are not really the optimal weapon against sleeper frigs. So I doe what I can to help them along. The faster I can kill them the better isk/ hr I achieve. But more important, the less time I spend clearing the site is the less time i am leaving myself exposed to attack.
For example. A scourge heavy missile has an explosion velocity of 81 m/s and an explosion radius of 125m.
An emergent patroller (common c1 sleeper frig) has an orbit velocity of 250m/s and a sig radius of 50m.
It's easy to see by those numbers that you are losing a good portion of your potential damage without being your missiles out.
TLDR. You may not have trouble killing sleeper frigs without a web to or rigs,but I guarantee I am killing them noticeably faster. |
Cherry Nobyl
Shadow Strike Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.02 19:42:00 -
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when running wormhole sites, i've found using caldari navy scourge heavy missiles pays off in the long run.
try switching up the ammo as part of your testing process, you'll likely find the additional cost is negated by faster sites/returns on loot in general.
wh's can still be hit and miss, much like the rest of exploration, but persistence will pay off.
if you've never been in a wh before, or not done much probe scanning/dscanning, get in a bit of practice before committing to much to unfamiliar territory. a good place to start is running a cov ops and locating pos's within the hole via dscan only, pulling intel on the corps you find on the fly from killboard and other sources, along with a general awareness of your surrounding space using staticmapper or some such.
best of luck. |
Akyla Dey
Springfield Pipefitters Union Local 371
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Posted - 2012.01.02 23:07:00 -
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Here's the fit I currently use for both C1 and C2, as well as Sansha lowsec exploration.
[Drake, Lowend WH Drake] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin I x5
411 defense / 337 dps with T1 ammo vs Sleepers. Does 383 def / 291 dps vs Sansha just switching to Thunderbolts. Takes around 13 minutes to clear a C2 site, around 8-9 for a C1. You could certainly swap out the AB for a TP for more effectiveness vs frigates. I actually do that when I know I'll be in a hole, but I find the prop more useful for complexes and whatnot.
As was mentioned above, make sure you're comfortable with both probes and dscan before you start spending time in WHs. Chances are, you're not getting popped by Sleepers, you're getting popped by players, so learn how to avoid them. Certainly get your feet wet in a C1. The requirements are slim and none of the rats scram, so you can always GTFO if it gets too hot in there. |
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Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2012.01.03 01:36:00 -
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C1s need very little tank. This will rip through C1sites:
Quote:[Drake, C1 Drake] Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Stasis Webifier II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hobgoblin II x5
has 497dps and will actually do most of it to frigs. |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.04 05:42:00 -
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You are way overtanked for C1's. I do C3's with a dissy and TP on my Drake - I never leave home without a dissy.
Secondly, if you are going to put T2 launchers on a Drake, and use it to do C1's, you invest in Precision missiles. They will smash frigates much, much faster, especially with a web on board. Combine with some flare catalyst rigs and a web and you will be churning frigates like butter. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu
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Caldari Citizen 786478786
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.05 01:50:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:You are way overtanked for C1's. I do C3's with a dissy and TP on my Drake - I never leave home without a dissy.
Secondly, if you are going to put T2 launchers on a Drake, and use it to do C1's, you invest in Precision missiles. They will smash frigates much, much faster, especially with a web on board. Combine with some flare catalyst rigs and a web and you will be churning frigates like butter.
Or just use Caldary Navy Scourge and do more damage than Scourge Precision without the drawbacks. And who calls a Warp Disruptor a dissy? There's a lot of f'ked up fake definitions for the "word' dissy, but it's never going to fly in EVE. |
Sum Olgy
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2012.01.05 02:13:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:You are way overtanked for C1's.
This. You want to be over half shield at peak incoming damage. Remember to manage the spawns - http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpaceClass1
All your other mods should be aimed at killing stuff once you have the tank sorted.
Personally, I used T2 drones to kill the frigates and the missile launchers to kill cruisers/battleships.
Blimey - was this a year ago? http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=159&t=38927
Hope that helps. Remember to keep watching DSCAN and learn to scout a WH out fully before starting sites. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
103
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Posted - 2012.01.05 03:15:00 -
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Sum Olgy wrote:Personally, I used T2 drones to kill the frigates and the missile launchers to kill cruisers/battleships.
Yea that's great for C2+, but there are no BS in a C1 and many of the sites are very heavy frigate. Not that drones aren't worth using but if you just used your missiles on cruisers you won't be using them much. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:35:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Made me log in and check.
2 other things.
Unless you are going to be salvaging with another ship, you will want a salvager. sleeper loot is in the salvage, especially a C1.
also, given the average value of a C1 sleeper site, you may want to drop to Meta3 launchers. The "arbalest" are a fair premium in cost. Greater risk/reward ratio.
Ya I was going to mention that also... C1's work fine with just 6 launchers and there's no point in doing without a salvager. I personally hate dual boxing, it's too much like work.
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Svodola Darkfury
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.07 18:15:00 -
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I use this fit for up to C3 anoms. Takes a 3% cpu implant and Shield Upgrades V to run the full fit with the probe launcher. Takes Advanced Weapon Upgrades V to run with the 3rd Large Shield Extender (you can swap for a 2nd Shield Recharger II for a minor tank loss if your skills are lower and you plan on only running up to C2s). It will be VERY slow in C3s without running in tandem with another similarly fit drake.
Swap Fury missiles in for cruisers/battleship and Precision missiles for frigates to increase efficiency.
ECM Drones may save your life from a a tackle and since drones take so much management for DPS in WHs I figured it was a smart trade.
[EDIT]: Having looked over some of the other posts and seeing the "you're way over-tanked" you could potentially fiddle with the below fit to add in another BCS. I just like having something I can fly into C1,C2 or C3 without changing the fit.
STATS: At my skills about 550 omni-tank, 400 DPS with Furies. 260ish dps with Precision. 350ish dps with Caldari Navy Scourge.
At all level 5s (no implants) 561 defense, 411 DPS Scourge Furies, 278 DPS Scourge Precision, 368 dps Caldari Navy Scourge.
[Drake] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Shield Recharger II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
DRONES: 5x Hornet EC-300 |
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