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Caerleus
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 19:12:00 -
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It seems that CVA's duality contiunes to further widen.
Despite claims of 'anti-pirate' they sprout forth at every oppourtunity, it seems that, yet again, they quite simply can't resist playing with Damocles sword and over the last 24 hours, have managed to impale themselves upon it publically one more time.
Pity you if your a small non aligned corp making your first quest into 0.0, especially the Region of Providence. Fear not those with negative sec, but those flying Amarrian beasts of death under the false flags of peace and gods.
Whilst legitimate targets of war are acceptable, it is now CVA policy to try cleansing the whole of Providence of any POS towers they see fit, hostile or, as in this case, Neutral and up until now, of no bearing in the current events within.
If indeed the Amarr have a god, it is laughing at you CVA, along with every other right minded pod pilot that see's thru your thin lies and actions.
Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long. |
Maidel
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 23:24:00 -
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Give it a rest.
Frankly - this rubbish is pathetic.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.27 00:11:00 -
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I now know the corporation that was attacked. I know the circumstances under which the CVA attacked them. The only part missing is the reason for there is none.
The Starbase that was attacked belonged to a small industrial outfit that has just started finding it's feet in the area. The corporation in question has played no part in the war to date and are innocent bystanders in the local conflict.
To accidently kill a bystander during a border control I can understand to a degree. Amarr targetting systems like so much of their technology are antiquated. However, to launch a full scale Starbase assault on a non-aligned entity is nothing short of pre-meditated.
Those are the facts, plain and simple. Given the amount of tripe that has been spewed in the past by these 'whiter than white servants of god' it seems only fair that such transgressions be published. I have nothing more to add, you may insult me now. Don't forget the ones about me being a monkey, I always get a chuckle out of that.
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Theo Samaritan
Gallente UNSC Manufactoring Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.27 00:25:00 -
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Reguardless of whether this is true or not, the raw idea of attacking and destroying a neutral and peaceful operation is sickening to me. ______________________________
"To fight a war on the table, you must be able to fight a war on the front." |
Redpants
Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.05.27 00:40:00 -
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Hardly neutral. Now let's end this pity party. It's over before it began.
"My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red." |
GulletSplitter
Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services
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Posted - 2007.05.27 00:44:00 -
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Before we get into the trenches...can you someone tell us uninformed types who was attacked? And maybe one of the CVS/North Star guys can tell us why?
I figure more then likely this is going to devolve regardless. I just wanted more info.
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.27 02:53:00 -
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Who owns this POS? More importantly, why does Chaos Incarnate (a pirate alliance and known enemy of Providence) seem to care? Is this about some agenda? Of course it is, why else bring it here rather than have the alleged harmed parties deal with it through standard diplomacy.
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xHjfx
Minmatar The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.27 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Caerleus It seems that CVA's duality contiunes to further widen.
Despite claims of 'anti-pirate' they sprout forth at every oppourtunity, it seems that, yet again, they quite simply can't resist playing with Damocles sword and over the last 24 hours, have managed to impale themselves upon it publically one more time.
Pity you if your a small non aligned corp making your first quest into 0.0, especially the Region of Providence. Fear not those with negative sec, but those flying Amarrian beasts of death under the false flags of peace and gods.
Whilst legitimate targets of war are acceptable, it is now CVA policy to try cleansing the whole of Providence of any POS towers they see fit, hostile or, as in this case, Neutral and up until now, of no bearing in the current events within.
If indeed the Amarr have a god, it is laughing at you CVA, along with every other right minded pod pilot that see's thru your thin lies and actions.
SO lets get this straight, your making a complaint (which is duly noted since any acts of piracy by CVA are taken seriously).
What you fail to mention is that this corporation is living in space controlled (sov wise) by a bunch of lowlife pirates and vagabonds who normally target and shoot any easy target they can get their firepower at.
So basically this corporation must bring something to your table in order to live in relative peace because if they are truely a non aligned corp, then surely you wouldve ganked them already like the other poor souls to your guns.
The fact this corporation has but 4 members only adds to the suspicion of the corporation.
BUT lets sum this up:
If we have made a mistake then we will reimburse through standard diplomacy channels and not by slander threads by enemies with an axe to grind.
Although taking into consideration the POS was not authorised to reside in Amarrian providence by the Amarrian empire nor the Deliverance project lead by CVA.
Any queries may be directed to CVA diplomats.
Thank you and have a safe flight. -----
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Caerleus
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.27 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Caerleus on 27/05/2007 04:47:21 Edited by: Caerleus on 27/05/2007 04:46:48 The system in question is B-WPLZ.
The poor corporation in question is Tool Inc. They have inhabitated the system for longer than we have as since we received no Sovriegnty message for their POS.
Tool Inc are completely neutral to Chaos Inc. We have had, and until when our own POS was coming out of reinforced, no contact with them at all.
But, CVA decided that, whilst mounting an offensive against a medium POS that belonged to us, they would also place the small POS belonging to Tool Inc into reinforced aswell.
This corp, as far as we are aware and concerned, have no part in this war against CVA other than inhabiting a system that we claim sovreignty over. The 5 member corp has never , flown with us,never communicated a desire to join with us, or even an anti CVA message. They have been, up until this point, completely and totally neutral.
Yet.. The war machine that is CVA. The hypocritical war machine at that decides that this 5 member corp should be targetted. Targetted with a pure act of piracy. And how do I know it is piracy? Because, I , as part of a pirate corp can safely say that I have done the same before to other corps under the banner of piracy.
Chaos Inc are proud to be pirates and we stand up when thus called.
CVA.. Your denials and duplicity...your constant beating of the same tired path. The pure unmiticated lies that spew forth in every communication that seeks to divert pilots attention away from your real purpose.
CVA, If you were on fire, I would seek not to extinguish the flames with my own urine.
Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long. |
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.27 05:07:00 -
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As regards "our real purpose," our purpose is to claim Providence for the glory of the Amarr Empire. This is hardly a secret...and entirely acceptable by those organizations who seek the stability and prosperity that the holy Empire has to offer.
As for the control tower being put into reinforced? Probably a case of mistaken association. More on that soon I'm sure.
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.27 05:11:00 -
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CI is not one to call another group into question, considering what you are. You might also try being more specific as Tool Inc. gives no results. Again, an issue that did not need to see this forum aside from obvious pirate propaganda.
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Amandi Casimi
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.27 05:22:00 -
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This Gallente trash propoganda has got to stop. The meaningless utterance of incoherant speech that pours from your lips is a distain to all involved. If you have issues with the conduct of our alliance, you are more then welcome to open a diplomatic channel to myself, or one of our many dilpomats. We will attempt to cut through all the mindless babble that you utter, and get to what you really mean.
It is the utterance of all this anti-Amarrian propoganda lately that has lowered the intelligence level of everyone who reads these intergalatic threads. The absolutely false and utterly mindless comments made here lately, make one believe that Concord is in fact a nessesary evil, created to prevent the Amarr Empire from wiping everyone in the galaxy out for plain ignorance and stupidity.
Tool Inc. - This is for you. Contact me if you wish about the Tower in question. If you do not contact us, we cannot do anything to help you.
CI - Stay out of it. You are our enemy, and likely to remain that way for a very very long time. You don't help Tool at all.
Let neutrals be neutrals.
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Jonny Damordred
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.27 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: Amandi Casimi This Gallente trash propoganda has got to stop. The meaningless utterance of incoherant speech that pours from your lips is a distain to all involved. If you have issues with the conduct of our alliance, you are more then welcome to open a diplomatic channel to myself, or one of our many dilpomats. We will attempt to cut through all the mindless babble that you utter, and get to what you really mean.
It is the utterance of all this anti-Amarrian propoganda lately that has lowered the intelligence level of everyone who reads these intergalatic threads. The absolutely false and utterly mindless comments made here lately, make one believe that Concord is in fact a nessesary evil, created to prevent the Amarr Empire from wiping everyone in the galaxy out for plain ignorance and stupidity.
Tool Inc. - This is for you. Contact me if you wish about the Tower in question. If you do not contact us, we cannot do anything to help you.
CI - Stay out of it. You are our enemy, and likely to remain that way for a very very long time. You don't help Tool at all.
My, aren't we all wound up and fiesty tonight. You know, I have ways to relax you that are to die for... Trust me, you'll have the time of your life cutie.
Cheers, Jonny D. -----
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.27 07:35:00 -
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There is a lot of provocation going on in here i see. Instead of talking with each other to resolve the conflict, the subjects are trying to gain public approval to, somehow, annihilate one another.
It'll be interesting to see how this develops further, and pending research i might have to adjust initial parameters.
EVE History Wiki
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Caerleus
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.27 14:18:00 -
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So intersting indeed to see CVA squirming around when they are faced with the truth.
You are pirates. You are murderers. You are liars.
It doesnt matter how much spin, how much of your propoganda you summon forth and distribute or the legion of puppets and underlings you charge with writing transparent lies.
You can not deny the simple fact and one proven by your own actions - that everything you claim to be is false.
Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long. |
Solusar
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.27 14:54:00 -
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Anything for a few points eh?
Notice that this is CI complaining and whining. A mistake was made and the issue sorted with the neutral corp very quickly. Notice no posts on intergal from them accusing CVA of being pirates. Issues are handled through diplomacy and not running to intergal. Indeed they wished to keep the issue quiet and thought nothing of it.
Keep up the smear campaign though, its highly entertaining.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.27 17:38:00 -
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The mere fact that a low born flea ridden cur such as yourself dares speak up against the Amarr is crime enough, but using disgusting gallentean tactics of publicity warfare condemns you to the lowest among the low.
Want a bigger horde of unwashed degenerates at your side, because the fight is proving too much for you?
Lies are the tools of the weak. ----------------------------------------------
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.27 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Caerleus So intersting indeed to see CVA squirming around when they are faced with the truth.
Though you presented us with incomplete information and accusations, it has come to my attention that "the truth" is that the attack on the tower was a mistake and has been squared away.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It makes it so much easier to maintain the moral high ground with help such as this.
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Caerleus
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.27 18:10:00 -
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And what , pray tell, would CI be moaning and whining about?
You attacked one of our POS's. Big Deal. We're quite prepared for any action taken against ourselves and expect it to happen. As I've said before in previous contacts, we are pirates and will stand up when called such. We dont lie about.
Something that CVA should take note of and maybe instill from its top management down.
Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long. |
Reash
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.27 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Caerleus And what , pray tell, would CI be moaning and whining about?
You attacked one of our POS's. Big Deal. We're quite prepared for any action taken against ourselves and expect it to happen. As I've said before in previous contacts, we are pirates and will stand up when called such. We dont lie about.
Something that CVA should take note of and maybe instill from its top management down.
We take our honesty very seriously, when this mistake occured the corporation was contacted and dealt with.
Meanwhile CI come to the intergal with claims of CVA been pirates? Perhaps lieing is the wrong word, but greatly uninformed would seem quite an accurate description of you. -----------------------
Auctoritan Syndicate Director
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Caerleus
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Caerleus on 28/05/2007 00:13:56 Your act of piracy was the same blood lust that draws myself and countless others to the cause.
You had no thought for whom that POS belonged to, you simply wanted it dead. Your intelligence, if one can use such a word inconjunction with an Amarr, was wrong, but, instead of leaving the POS 'till you could be certain as to its owners affiliations, you killed it.
You ony saw fit to try and cover up this act and contact the owners to make ammends because the act became public knowledge.
Now of course, I can see the iritation that these posts are causing. This is not the first time that CVA have had to face proof of their pirate acts, nor will it be the last I'm sure.
Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long. |
Reash
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Caerleus Edited by: Caerleus on 28/05/2007 00:13:56 Your act of piracy was the same blood lust that draws myself and countless others to the cause.
You had no thought for whom that POS belonged to, you simply wanted it dead. Your intelligence, if one can use such a word inconjunction with an Amarr, was wrong, but, instead of leaving the POS 'till you could be certain as to its owners affiliations, you killed it.
You ony saw fit to try and cover up this act and contact the owners to make ammends because the act became public knowledge.
Now of course, I can see the iritation that these posts are causing. This is not the first time that CVA have had to face proof of their pirate acts, nor will it be the last I'm sure.
Just because im curious, what exactly do you believe CVA gained from this? Other than allowing our dreadnaughts to warp away from a POS?
I am curious just so i can understand why putting a small neutral tower into reinforced would make profit for the CVA (when it fact it costs isk for fuel)?
As to any person with an ounce of intelligence will realise that, without this, your entire argument makes no sense. -----------------------
Auctoritan Syndicate Director
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Caerleus
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Reash
Just because im curious, what exactly do you believe CVA gained from this? Other than allowing our dreadnaughts to warp away from a POS?
I am curious just so i can understand why putting a small neutral tower into reinforced would make profit for the CVA (when it fact it costs isk for fuel)?
As to any person with an ounce of intelligence will realise that, without this, your entire argument makes no sense.
I have no argument Reash. I'm stating facts. Your argument, the one which you continue to deny previous and continued acts of piracy by your allaince, is unravelling at such a pace you cant swim fast enough against the tide of evidence that continues to surface.
Why you put a neutral POS into reinforced is solely an act of piracy.Nothing more, nothing less. It need not have a profitable reason. It stands out even more so as an act of piracy because there was no gain to be had in doing so.
Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long. |
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Caerleus
It stands out even more so as an act of piracy because there was no gain to be had in doing so.
Incorrect.
It stands out even more so as a bit of an embarrassing mistake because "there was no gain to be had in doing so."
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Caerleus
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
It stands out even more so as a bit of an embarrassing mistake because "we've been caught yet again doing the very thing we pledge we dont do."
Edited for truth Garreck.
Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long. |
Reash
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Caerleus
Originally by: Garreck
It stands out even more so as a bit of an embarrassing mistake because "we've been caught yet again doing the very thing we pledge we dont do."
Edited for truth Garreck.
So just to clarify your position here, it is your belief that we attacked a neutral POS on purpose, costing us isk in the process for fuel, apologised to them as soon as was possible, and we somehow did this as piracy with the expectation to gain from it?
You may wish to rethink your story -----------------------
Auctoritan Syndicate Director
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Caerleus
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Reash
So just to clarify your position here, it is your belief that we attacked a neutral POS on purpose,
Yes.
Originally by: Reash costing us isk in the process for fuel,
Surely CVA isnt worried about a siege cycle of Stront for its fleet, or is it?
Originally by: Reash apologised to them as soon as was possible,
apologised to them when news got out that they were infact neutral.
Originally by: Reash
and we somehow did this as piracy with the expectation to gain from it?
You may wish to revisist your school masters and spend some prolonged time with them mastering areas such as reading comprehension that cleary seem to be at fault. Piracy need not have gain.
Originally by: Reash You may wish to rethink your story
You may wish to rethink your wholly inadequate propoganda before trying to spin something that is clear to all those that see. Clear that is, apart to those who authorised and pulled the triggers. It matters not if it were a shuttle, POS, Freighter or combat ship. It was neutral to you and you shot it. Piracy.
Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long. |
Saragael
Amarr Qodesh Tsdaqah
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Posted - 2007.05.28 11:40:00 -
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So let me see if I understand the conditions correctly. CI has control of a system and allows a small corporation that basically has no contact with them to hold a station within the system.
CI not only acts are pirates but are proud of it. They attack random people for no reason at all and yet with now form of extortion or payments they allow a small corporation to exist unmolested within their space?
I am sorry, I do not understand the ways of the pirate I guess. This sounds to me like either they supplied you or provided capital to you in order to be left alone. Which at the very list makes them a supplier and at worst a possible silent ally.
====================================== Saragael "Rejoice not my enemy when I have fallen, for I shall arise and God shall be my light out of the darkness."
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Reash
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 11:48:00 -
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As your language comprehension appears to be lacking i will explain the term piracy, as it would appear your misunderstanding of this simple word is the cause of the entire message.
Piracy is an act of robbery, this would imply that there was something to gain by shooting a neutral POS into reinforced mode, piracy can come in many forms, destroying a neutral ship to take its cargo or a ransom.
Shooting a neutral POS into reinforced, while an embarassing mistake, is, in fact, not piracy.
I hope that helps you view the situation more clearly. -----------------------
Auctoritan Syndicate Director
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Caerleus
Originally by: Garreck
It stands out even more so as a bit of an embarrassing mistake because "we've been caught yet again doing the very thing we pledge we dont do."
Edited for truth Garreck.
Redundant. I'm well aware of your mistaken perception. The point of this very thread is that your impression is that this was an act of piracy.
Fortunately, as you've brought this situation to our attention, the "victims" themselves know the truth of the matter, and that is far more important to us. Keep banging this "CVA are pirates" drum: I'm sure by now most are so tired of the obviously ridiculous claim that the very mention of the concept is enough to make a neutral party skeptical.
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