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Zorh
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.07.29 10:58:11 -
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The high sec space should be the center of the whole game. Filled with life. Instead of that it's place where nobody chats on local just because some imbesil with iq of a three year old will do the only thing they can: press F1.
There are no mining ops in highsec because the sad and useless game play that allows those worthless human garbage to ruin everything that others have built. That serves no purpose what so ever to the game.
There are lowsec and nulsec for those who want to have limitless combat. There are duel and war declaration for combat in highsec. Why that is not enough?
This game is clearly for those who hate. I wonder how sad human waste they are in the real life. |
Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
183
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Posted - 2017.07.29 11:32:43 -
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So then, why are you playing?
True wisdom comes not from identifying a problem, but by what one plans to do about that problem. |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
747
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Posted - 2017.07.29 11:42:11 -
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The majority of players are in high sec. So it's hardly empty. People don't chat in local because either it's too busy, or because people are just passing through. Good local chats are had between people who occupy the same space and actively engage with each other... often by pressing f1 to say hello.
There are plenty of mining ops in HS. I have been on them and even organized a few. They just don't tend to be public. Try joining a corp that shares your goals. (HS mining is garbage anyways. Trust me I bashed my head against that rock for years)
Yes, there is low and null and wardecs... and ganking. It's been part of the game since day 1. Why are you trying to take away an Avenue of interaction?
Eve players, on the whole, are among the friendliest and most helpful player base of any game out there. Yes they will blow you up in a hot second if they get the chance. But it's just a game, and explosions are part of that game. There is rarely any actual hate involved. And frankly, if you are getting upset over some space pixels getting blown up, when that's kinda the point of the game. Then I would sincerely suggest re-examining your priorities. |
Kosoku
3Ra Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2017.07.29 11:45:40 -
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It's been that way since 2003.
Even if Eve does die, it outlived most of MMORPG, Ultima Online, AsheronGÇÖs Call, and EQ would be the only big ones that are older. Therefore, I believe CCP did something right. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3510
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Posted - 2017.07.29 12:23:41 -
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Kosoku wrote:It's been that way since 2003.
Even if Eve does die, it outlived most of MMORPG, Ultima Online, AsheronGÇÖs Call, and EQ would be the only big ones that are older. Therefore, I believe CCP did something right.
Human nature is, by default, dark. Just look at kids building a sand castle on beach. There are those who build and there are those who want to destroy it.
Actually, what you said is utterly wrong. The majority of people are relatively decent. Sure, there are countries where dark forces (example, the Koch's) have twisted the narrative over many years, and driven people in the direction of maliciousness.
Human nature is that of tribalism, which in and of itself is not "dark".
Now, when it comes to Eve, yes, there is a larger than usual percentage of the player base that are sociopaths. CCP designed the game for those sociopaths, and has catered to the sick wants of that segment for years. Who can forget the marketing campaign "Be the villain."?
But overall, still, the bulk of the player base are decent and good people. Unfortunately, it only takes a small percentage to destroy the work of the majority. And CCP has gone out of their way to strengthen the position of the evil ones. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
477
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Posted - 2017.07.29 12:41:16 -
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If it tanks it's because ccp isn't doing worthwhile expansions and is wasting all their time recoloring the same stupid shirt a dozen times and putting out broken patches every few days while manipulating the markets to drive up revenue they lost in failed projects like world of darkness before they sell the game to $ea$. |
Thomas Lot
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
166
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Posted - 2017.07.29 13:29:09 -
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Uh Oh... looks like someone lost their Retreiver. |
Djsaeu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2017.07.29 14:22:03 -
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There is a trend that happens when things go to Free to Play.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3559
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Posted - 2017.07.29 14:58:06 -
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Zorh wrote:The high sec space should be the center of the whole game. Filled with life. Instead of that it's place where nobody chats on local just because some imbesil with iq of a three year old will do the only thing they can: press F1.
I don't think it's fair to call all highsec miners imbeciles with the IQ of three-year olds. There are a few that manage more than pressing F1 to mine their rocks and actually pay attention to local and even respond to you when you reach out. It's true though, many seem to be unable to do anything other than warp to a belt in a fail-fit barge or exhumer and press F1, but that is probably more of an impression because they are watching Netflix or playing Rocket League than they are actual retards.
I too wish for a better quality of highsec miners, but unlike you I take active steps to improve their caliber through interaction with them rather than just calling them names on the forums.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade Ushra'Khan
59
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Posted - 2017.07.29 15:09:24 -
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Zorh wrote:The high sec space should be the center of the whole game. Filled with life. Instead of that it's place where nobody chats on local just because some imbesil with iq of a three year old will do the only thing they can: press F1.
There are no mining ops in highsec because the sad and useless game play that allows those worthless human garbage to ruin everything that others have built. That serves no purpose what so ever to the game.
There are lowsec and nulsec for those who want to have limitless combat. There are duel and war declaration for combat in highsec. Why that is not enough?
Sounds like you lost a ship and got really scared. There is life where you want to find it.
The center of the whole game is to make what you want out of it.
Quit complaining. Either leave EVE behind or HTFU and fight back.
Zorh wrote:This game is clearly for those who hate. I wonder how sad human waste they are in the real life.
Then spread the love...blow someone up |
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Tristan Valentina
Moira. Villore Accords
130
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Posted - 2017.07.29 19:11:35 -
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Why do I live in low sec? Because I am not meat for some ganker to fly catalysts up to and destroy. Do I hate high sec no not at all I just think it is easily the highest risk space in the game so why would I possibly go there? I dont think anyone hates high sec. |
Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2017.07.29 23:51:55 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Zorh wrote:The high sec space should be the center of the whole game. Filled with life. Instead of that it's place where nobody chats on local just because some imbesil with iq of a three year old will do the only thing they can: press F1. I don't think it's fair to call all highsec miners imbeciles with the IQ of three-year olds. There are a few that manage more than pressing F1 to mine their rocks and actually pay attention to local and even respond to you when you reach out. It's true though, many seem to be unable to do anything other than warp to a belt in a fail-fit barge or exhumer and press F1, but that is probably more of an impression because they are watching Netflix or playing Rocket League than they are actual retards. I too wish for a better quality of highsec miners, but unlike you I take active steps to improve their caliber through interaction with them rather than just calling them names on the forums.
Ho ho! Is funny, because he was actually not talking about hi-sec miners at all, and you flipped it around! Oh ho... |
l1j
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2017.07.30 00:32:00 -
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Pardon? I've been having fun for almost three years with my friends IN HIGHSEC!
Maybe Eve just too hard for you, could be a troll post though =ƒñö |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3258
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Posted - 2017.07.30 02:08:50 -
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Zorh wrote:The high sec space should be the center of the whole game. Filled with life. Instead of that it's place where nobody chats on local just because some imbesil with iq of a three year old will do the only thing they can: press F1.
There are no mining ops in highsec because the sad and useless game play that allows those worthless human garbage to ruin everything that others have built. That serves no purpose what so ever to the game.
There are lowsec and nulsec for those who want to have limitless combat. There are duel and war declaration for combat in highsec. Why that is not enough?
This game is clearly for those who hate. I wonder how sad human waste they are in the real life. Highsec is the center of the game, it constantly has the highest player densities. Heck last month the Forge had the most destruction, Production, and trade value. Heck the Forge competes with most null regions for mining value, which is freaking bonkers to me as highsec ore is well awful, to say there are no mining ops, well blatantly false. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/MER/Jun_2017/1_regional.stats.png Sure stuff flares up in null and makes headlines every now and then, but High is where most of the action happens.
sure there may not be many highsec mining ops, but that makes a lot of sense. Mining is a rather passive activity that I assume most people do while they are trying to watch tv or something like that. Also adding an extra member isn't really a benefit as there isn't an easy way to coordinate payouts, not to mention a lack of trust of those payouts even happening. Also more people means the belts get mined out faster meaning they have to either move or stop. That said In high sec there are robust incursion communities which shows the community can work together and be somewhat trustworthy.
and sure they may be some f1 "imbesil" but hey, you are the one that got caught by them. Lets just say that doesn't look good on you.
@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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Intar Medris
Viziam Amarr Empire
255
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Posted - 2017.07.30 02:39:53 -
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Just came back, and it looks like EVE is actually picking up players. Majority will play in high sec makes sense since most of the content is accessible there/ You pay a price though, and that is a much lower ISK per hour. The money is in null, and it's believe it or not in a way safer than high sec.
If you find yourself regularly getting ganked you're the problem. One you're too stupid to find a new system to mine in. Two you're mining AFK. Three you're too stupid to pay attention to how the aggression mechanics work. And finally you don't pay attention to local. EVE 101 PAY ******* ATTENTION TO LOCAL! It doesn't matter if it's high sec you pay attention to local.
I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
374
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Posted - 2017.07.30 08:39:09 -
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Eve could be better, I'm not a PvPer, but the night sky is where my heart is.
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Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox.
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Pestilen Ratte
Fat Kitty Inc.
91
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Posted - 2017.07.30 09:33:14 -
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Zorh wrote:The high sec space should be the center of the whole game. Filled with life. .
Trust me, it is. Every time I wander into high sec, I am amazed by the huge numbers of living folks doing..... whatever they do in high sec. Buy moon goo to take to nul sec?
High sec is incredibly peaceful and safe. It is simply not viable to go hunt folks there and make a decent living as a hard working pirate. Concorde are fascists.
I say that as a total citizen. I have dank sec status and fought in the militia. Etc.
Zorh wrote:This game is clearly for those who hate.
It is clearly for those with a capacity to focus their hatred from time to time. There is no such thing as a person who can't hate from time to time. Even the most feeble snowflake hates what he hates.
The question for men of purpose and focus, is whether they can apply their hate through artillery and onto their sworn enemy.
When hate destroys a caldari ECM boat, hate is good. |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2017.07.30 10:32:41 -
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Zorh wrote:This game is clearly for those who hate.
This game may or may not be for those who hate, but it is NOT for those who quit. Will you wander off to play another game, infected by the hate you witnessed here, or will you finish what you've started? |
Memphis Baas
3081
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Posted - 2017.07.30 11:08:47 -
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You started your character in high-sec; high-sec is a NEWBIE ZONE. All of it. The asteroids are newbie-grade, the combat rules are "protect the newbies", etc. Your fault for staying in high-sec; there are no opportunities there.
EVE is a PVP game. We play it to PVP vs. other players. War declarations and suicide-ganks are valid game play. Try your "i want to mine in peace" post in the Overwatch forums or on the forums for any other PVP game, see how smart the replies make you feel.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1711
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Posted - 2017.07.30 12:54:55 -
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Zorh wrote:The high sec space should be the center of the whole game. Filled with life. Instead of that it's place where nobody chats on local just because some imbesil with iq of a three year old will do the only thing they can: press F1.
There are no mining ops in highsec because the sad and useless game play that allows those worthless human garbage to ruin everything that others have built. That serves no purpose what so ever to the game.
There are lowsec and nulsec for those who want to have limitless combat. There are duel and war declaration for combat in highsec. Why that is not enough?
This game is clearly for those who hate. I wonder how sad human waste they are in the real life. The game is about building sandcastles. And it is about kicking sandcastles. So every now and then, while you're building one sandcastle, another one of your sandcastles is going to get kicked by someone. Get used to it.
All you have to do is make sure, you've got more than one running at a time and that you kick other sandcastles every now and then. Helps to keep a healthy balance in game experience.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Myn Fora Sandwich
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2017.07.31 05:14:30 -
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Zorh wrote:There are lowsec and nulsec for those who want to have limitless combat. There are duel and war declaration for combat in highsec. Why that is not enough?
Because that is not the design nor the intent of the game. Just because you envision that this sandbox should look a certain way (which your EVE view would decrease the sandbox and make the center of it a litterbox instead) doesn't mean it actually is that way. Hi-sec is not and will not be the center of the universe even if it is the center of the map. Hi-sec would not exist without the activity in WH, NS, LS and even the activity you hate in HS. Destruction is what enables production in EVE. The entire gameverse is connected and inter-reliant. The game does not cater to nor encourage hate - it encourages conflict - because you don't enjoy it you decide to hate on the game.
There are no safe spaces here - so tough litter balls.
Obviously there is something about the challenge you enjoy or you would have moved on already and not be here whining (probably while your mining in a glass box afk and getting rekd as you should).
AND yet again another prophecy of the end of EVE by a carebear prophet who thinks it is too brutile and EVE couldn't possibly survive without them.
This game has survived more rage quits than any game in history, so you can feel free to join the biomass heap of the other prophets.
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Rina Asanari
State War Academy Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2017.07.31 07:49:22 -
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Welcome to EvE Online, the game that brings out the worst in humanity. And everyone (staying) loves it that way.
I tend to stay in HiSec, too. I have little interest in fleet battles, CTA's where I have to attend at fixed times, people telling me what to skill and what not, being coerced into engagements which I cannot win, just to provide another target for "the enemy" (meaning everyone not blue).
Been there, done that.
But I DO know that I sign up for PvP whenever I undock. Well, even without undocking, because the market is PvP on another level where you throw money and stuff against competitors.
So even in HiSec, I always keep an eye over my shoulder.
EvE isn't a safe place.
But crossing a road isn't a safe thing to do, too. Any drunk driver may prove you otherwise.
So, learn to live with it. |
Pestilen Ratte
Fat Kitty Inc.
92
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Posted - 2017.07.31 08:54:28 -
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The trouble with justifying Eve as a trip to the human zoo, which is the consistent theme in these types of threads, is that it is a very low bar to hurdle, and not worth the subscription price.
If the only thing CCP can do is provide a space themed chat room for people who enjoy the suffering of others, they are out of business. Not because there is no demand for spectator suffering, but because providing a can for trash is a low margin, high completion sector.
If there is nothing good about Eve, if the whole experience is hoping others fail and suffer, we ,ay as well save the subscription and go watch the politics news. |
Verlyn
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
108
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Posted - 2017.07.31 13:18:19 -
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Kosoku wrote: Human nature is, by default, dark. Just look at kids building a sand castle on beach. There are those who build and there are those who want to destroy it.
You seem to have it all sorted out.
Well done. |
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
210
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Posted - 2017.07.31 14:16:57 -
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Pestilen Ratte wrote:The trouble with justifying Eve as a trip to the human zoo, which is the consistent theme in these types of threads, is that it is a very low bar to hurdle, and not worth the subscription price.
its actually a game about exploding spaceships.
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If the only thing CCP can do is provide a space themed chat room for people who enjoy the suffering of others, they are out of business. Not because there is no demand for spectator suffering, but because providing a can for trash is a low margin, high completion sector.
You are entering the bounds of ridiculousness given the known lifespan of eve. I lost a vexor a few days ago, it was my 10th pvp vexor. If it was not for shiploss, then I would not have needed 10 pvp vexors (just my still extant pve vexor). I bought all my vexors in dodixie, which means even though it blew up in cloud ring, it was probably part built from highsec minerals by a highsec indy. The loss process fundamentally keeps the game alive, particularly when ships like cruisers have been kept relevant to the game by the developers.
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If there is nothing good about Eve, if the whole experience is hoping others fail and suffer, we ,ay as well save the subscription and go watch the politics news.
Its completely full of personal and group successes, both evil and good. The worst possible thing you could do is let a bitter highsec player who can't help themselves out of playing victim, color your eve experience black. Ships are there to explode.
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Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords Kraftwerk.
118
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Posted - 2017.07.31 14:38:33 -
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Zorh wrote:The high sec space should be the center of the whole game. Filled with life. Instead of that it's place where nobody chats on local just because some imbesil with iq of a three year old will do the only thing they can: press F1.
There are no mining ops in highsec because the sad and useless game play that allows those worthless human garbage to ruin everything that others have built. That serves no purpose what so ever to the game.
There are lowsec and nulsec for those who want to have limitless combat. There are duel and war declaration for combat in highsec. Why that is not enough?
This game is clearly for those who hate. I wonder how sad human waste they are in the real life.
lol ^^ How does suicide ganking decrease local chatting? More interaction would increase it i assume. What prevents ppl from having mining fleets in highsec? I cannot come up with a reason. Did you just get ganked? Because what you are saying doesnt make any sense ^^
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
204
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Posted - 2017.07.31 15:08:48 -
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Zorh wrote:The high sec space should be the center of the whole game. Filled with life. Instead of that it's place where nobody chats on local just because some imbesil with iq of a three year old will do the only thing they can: press F1.
There are no mining ops in highsec because the sad and useless game play that allows those worthless human garbage to ruin everything that others have built. That serves no purpose what so ever to the game.
There are lowsec and nulsec for those who want to have limitless combat. There are duel and war declaration for combat in highsec. Why that is not enough?
This game is clearly for those who hate. I wonder how sad human waste they are in the real life.
For me, the threat of PvP is what makes the game interesting.
I don't seek out PvP much. I actively try to avoid it most of the time (except when I feel the itch and head to FW space). But I would hate it if the THREAT of PvP weren't there. That threat adds excitement to activities that are otherwise pretty darn boring. |
Trixie Lawless
The Mortal Coil. Project Harvest
98
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Posted - 2017.07.31 19:22:14 -
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Zorh wrote:The high sec space should be the center of the whole game. Filled with life. Instead of that it's place where nobody chats on local just because some imbesil with iq of a three year old will do the only thing they can: press F1.
There are no mining ops in highsec because the sad and useless game play that allows those worthless human garbage to ruin everything that others have built. That serves no purpose what so ever to the game.
There are lowsec and nulsec for those who want to have limitless combat. There are duel and war declaration for combat in highsec. Why that is not enough?
This game is clearly for those who hate. I wonder how sad human waste they are in the real life.
Will be suicide ganking OP soon, because I like him, and I wanna touch him.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
63040
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Posted - 2017.08.01 03:10:04 -
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Despite what all the Pro-PvP people have posted, I agree with the OP.
Over the past half decade or so, the average mentality in game has been all about padding Killboard stats the easiest way possible. Whether you agree or not, that just so happens to be suicide ganking. It's a low investment, low skilled, low risk game play choice that usually garners high rewards. It's no wonder the log in numbers in this game have drastically suffered over the years.
Don't see active fleets of player controlled Mining ships in Asteroid Belts now, it's just NPC Mining fleets stripping Solar Systems bare faster than any player fleet could. Talk about the War On Bots, what's up with that anyway ? Hell, those NPC mining fleets were probably added because there's hardly any players doing mining in this game now. Seriously ask yourself why is that? There's only one logical answer which is posted above.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2017.08.01 11:19:58 -
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Coralas wrote: its actually a game about exploding spaceships.
I have no problem with this conclusion, but could you tell us how you came to it in the first place? Where does it say that EVE is a game about exploding spaceships? |
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