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Yenittie EXE
Moving Star
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Posted - 2017.07.13 12:38:28 -
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https://puu.sh/wIvGJ/a8c1771fc2.png
Nice failure result isn't it?
This is totally broken... |
Gray Cron
COAT CORPORATION LTD
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Posted - 2017.07.13 13:42:16 -
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Obviously flawed. [url]http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7b95/gg39pejk0az1yj16g.jpg[/url]
DEVS! Do something before people start thinking Transit Spectroscopy is ****, because it's not!!! |
Yueh Ferrda
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.07.13 14:12:45 -
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In its present form, it is. An UI like they had in live will be helpful. |
Parnassius Apollo
Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass
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Posted - 2017.07.13 14:44:43 -
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This is hilarious !
In fact I got many of those where the transit period is just a random pattern layout put out on top of the sample. Zooming in shows nothing but the UI presents a "random" yellow transit. Transit Spectroscopy is an important discipline and CCP is just making it look like a bad joke.
My suggestion, fire that Dev and put a competent person on it. |
Parnassius Apollo
Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass
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Posted - 2017.07.13 14:52:45 -
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Parnassius Apollo wrote:This is hilarious ! In fact I got many of those where the transit period is just a random pattern layout put out on top of the sample. Zooming in shows nothing but the UI presents a "random" yellow transit. Transit Spectroscopy is an important discipline and CCP is just making it look like a bad joke. My suggestion, fire that Dev who was sitting on the left during yesterday's presentation and put a competent person on it.
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Virginia Flake
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.07.13 14:57:24 -
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You're overthinking it. I'm currently between lvl 31 and 32. Most samples are "no transit", most (I guess 3-5%) of the positive samples are super obvious, you can't miss them. Very rarely system will through you a sample that does have a transit but it takes some attention to find the pattern.
From what I understand, system sometimes throws in some random sample with incorrect evaluation or maybe a lot of people read it wrong. Don't worry about it too much - if you see the transit - mark it, if you don't - just go on. Again - 95% of samples are non-transit ones. Click through, once you're over level 10, statistics kicks in and you will get false positives one in 20-30 samples. When I started I've fot to 0,4% accuracy, LOL. Now I'm between 68-78%.
The process is quite grindy, it's more like a clicker really - once you get a hang of it you don't need detrend or fold. But it's quite satisfying to find a pattern in really noisy samples.
Don't give up - it get's simpler. |
Gray Cron
COAT CORPORATION LTD
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Posted - 2017.07.13 15:01:58 -
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Virginia Flake wrote:snip
I really hope this is the case, but take a look at what me and the topic master has encountered. These sort of things aren't uncommon for me so there's obviously something broken. |
Parnassius Apollo
Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass
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Posted - 2017.07.13 16:20:44 -
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Yea sure this is a transit, and my name is Stephen Hawking !
http://imgur.com/a/FMDrA |
Baboo Yagu
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Posted - 2017.07.13 17:19:02 -
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Virginia Flake wrote:You're overthinking it. I'm currently between lvl 31 and 32. Most samples are "no transit", most (I guess 3-5%) of the positive samples are super obvious, you can't miss them. Very rarely system will through you a sample that does have a transit but it takes some attention to find the pattern.
From what I understand, system sometimes throws in some random sample with incorrect evaluation or maybe a lot of people read it wrong. Don't worry about it too much - if you see the transit - mark it, if you don't - just go on. Again - 95% of samples are non-transit ones. Click through, once you're over level 10, statistics kicks in and you will get false positives one in 20-30 samples. When I started I've fot to 0,4% accuracy, LOL. Now I'm between 68-78%.
The process is quite grindy, it's more like a clicker really - once you get a hang of it you don't need detrend or fold. But it's quite satisfying to find a pattern in really noisy samples.
Don't give up - it get's simpler.
I'm sorry, but that is absolute rubbish. Just for ***** and giggles I've gone through it on an account I don't use just hitting 'No Transit' on everything, and not a single one out of 250 attempts was correct. They all failed and showed some random selection of yellow dots that were indiscernible from the surrounding sample. |
Parnassius Apollo
Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass
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Posted - 2017.07.13 17:34:10 -
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Virginia Flake wrote:You're overthinking it. I'm currently between lvl 31 and 32. Most samples are "no transit", most (I guess 3-5%) of the positive samples are super obvious, you can't miss them. Very rarely system will through you a sample that does have a transit but it takes some attention to find the pattern.
From what I understand, system sometimes throws in some random sample with incorrect evaluation or maybe a lot of people read it wrong. Don't worry about it too much - if you see the transit - mark it, if you don't - just go on. Again - 95% of samples are non-transit ones. Click through, once you're over level 10, statistics kicks in and you will get false positives one in 20-30 samples. When I started I've fot to 0,4% accuracy, LOL. Now I'm between 68-78%.
The process is quite grindy, it's more like a clicker really - once you get a hang of it you don't need detrend or fold. But it's quite satisfying to find a pattern in really noisy samples.
Don't give up - it get's simpler.
"Again - 95% of samples are non-transit ones"
No way Jose : if you hit "No Transit" every time you get almost zero % accuracy. That means that if you are right and excluding the Consensus safety net, you get penalized 95% every single time you hit that No Transit.
On 100 samples I get at best 5 obvious ones and the rest is un-doable ! Hitting No Transit is the only option, so.... WTF non-sense is all this !? |
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Gray Cron
COAT CORPORATION LTD
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Posted - 2017.07.13 17:36:03 -
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If that account has just completed it's tutorial, the first 5 samples are "Evaluation" samples that you have to come out correct once for each 5 categories of the evaluation before you get to work on actual samples. The 5th sample is super hard and there was an announcement that is going to be fixed.
The issue here is not that, but rather that in the actual samples (not evaluation) we get ones that are obviously not flagged properly. |
Jon Greyburst
Grass Fed Cannibals The Bastion
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Posted - 2017.07.13 19:15:47 -
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I've literally stopped caring. I was careful and doing my best and had a 95% accuracy until they did whatever they did yesterday and now I get 2-4 hard in a row and have spiraled back down to 50% while still putting in effort. Since it's obvious it no longer matters what I do as far as my accuracy goes I'm just clicking no transit unless it's something obvious. I was a doctoral candidate that did a lot of work in statistics and population modelling. their gold standard graphs are garbage, or to be more precise, if there is something there you have to use analysis to see it, not eyeballing. |
Vanessa Celtis
Vanessa Atalanta
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Posted - 2017.07.13 19:21:35 -
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Jon Greyburst wrote:I've literally stopped caring. I was careful and doing my best and had a 95% accuracy until they did whatever they did yesterday and now I get 2-4 hard in a row and have spiraled back down to 50% while still putting in effort. Since it's obvious it no longer matters what I do as far as my accuracy goes I'm just clicking no transit unless it's something obvious. I was a doctoral candidate that did a lot of work in statistics and population modelling. their gold standard graphs are garbage, or to be more precise, if there is something there you have to use analysis to see it, not eyeballing.
Agree, note that people who play this are often engineers or scientists. This exoplanet implementation is total bollocks, just good for the grind, I'll do it up to the CONCORD coat and then "hasta la vista" ! |
Donkyhotay
Kardashev Speedrunners
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Posted - 2017.07.13 19:37:59 -
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It might have been, I notice there are some hard to see dips where it says the transit is even with detrend off. I would be *very* curious what the results look like folded. Suspect the transit is visible there. I've had some that were practically impossible to see in the regular graph, even with detrend on, but after clicking the yellow diamond to see the results folded I was able to see the dip confirming it was a real transit.
That being said I have had way more instances where they say there was a transit and I've looked at the results folded with all the different detrend options and there was absolutely *no* dip visible. Those are total BS. |
Bones Prefect
Wormholers in Highsec Wormholes United
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Posted - 2017.07.13 19:53:35 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=472862&p=12
My past 2 posts on the page... some of these are just like wtf? |
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2017.07.13 20:05:26 -
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I thought that this might be cool, so I started the tutorial.
I kept failing, and couldn't get past 4/10.
Very poor instructions for such an endeavor.
-Kirst
Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
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Jon Greyburst
Grass Fed Cannibals The Bastion
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Posted - 2017.07.13 20:14:38 -
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Anyone else now getting more evaluation graphs than not? I'm now getting 6-7 in a row followed by maybe 3 that aren't evaluated. |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
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Posted - 2017.07.14 00:49:47 -
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Jon Greyburst wrote:Anyone else now getting more evaluation graphs than not? I'm now getting 6-7 in a row followed by maybe 3 that aren't evaluated. Not sure but might have something to do with your accuracy. When it falls you get more evaluation graphs. They don't want people spamming "no transit" handling the actual samples.
Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.07.14 02:51:23 -
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They don't give enough points for one. I'm at 69% accuracy again after spending the first day at 4% because of the glitch. But I only get 60 points per slide. Not 69, and the levels need way more points. L |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
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Posted - 2017.07.14 02:53:22 -
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Blade Darth wrote:Jon Greyburst wrote:Anyone else now getting more evaluation graphs than not? I'm now getting 6-7 in a row followed by maybe 3 that aren't evaluated. Not sure but might have something to do with your accuracy. When it falls you get more evaluation graphs. They don't want people spamming "no transit" handling the actual samples. To be fair most of the graphs are no transit. Not every star has something passing in front of it. There's lots of consenus ones that just have transits marked everywhere already. There's nothing there everyone is just marking stuff cause the first day threw everyone off with the hundreds of falsely marked graphs that were all no transit. |
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Mike Denard
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2017.07.14 04:29:55 -
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Another vote for inaccurate results. It kind of discourages you from trying when it seems like there's no rhyme or reason to the system itself. |
Yenittie EXE
Moving Star
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Posted - 2017.07.14 05:44:49 -
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https://puu.sh/wJawU/ce139b87a4.png
lol another one.
FYI, I only upload the ones that extremely out of my understanding.
There are other totally bullshits also giving me hard time. |
Mike Denard
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2017.07.14 06:04:49 -
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another one for the wtf pile http://imgur.com/a/T0XbJ |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
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Posted - 2017.07.14 09:41:38 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:There's lots of consenus ones that just have transits marked everywhere already. There's nothing there everyone is just marking stuff cause the first day threw everyone off with the hundreds of falsely marked graphs that were all no transit. Had one of those pulsating binaries (or whatever that was, looked like 2 sine waves) and 40% of people incorrectly marked each cycle as a passing planet. On the other hand some that look like random sh** at first after playing with it for couple minutes you can "sort of" see something. Those are the cases PD guys are interested in the most I guess, even if only 12% marked transits, if those 12% are the people with 90% accuracy, it's worth investigating.
I dig this event. It has some flaws but so far 9/10
Omen Navy Issue Tutorial
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HunterK en Daire
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.07.16 07:02:37 -
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i am finding random fails like everyone else due to some computer making up some stats on gibberish. it really feels you are doing nothing but competing against a computer which is not the point of the exercise.
what really annoys me is the obvious non failures because of :
1. computer missed actual dip and found 4 or more imaginary ones.
2. second obvious planet - if you make it it will automatically fail as computer only looking for one planet.
3. random dispersion of dips when expanded do not actually exist.
this glitch really takes the fun out of it and the "NEXT" screen needs removed to speed the process. We are clicking too many times to waste time on this.
some hints for those that get this far:
1. watch for obvious planets and mark them.
2. ignore computer classification.
3. most are random hiss but it gives pleasure to find a 4-6 small dip which occurs occasionally.
4. sine waves are sun rotations - not planets.
5. planets should dip similar amount of light for every passage - random hiss.
6. ignore 2 planet passing's as computer analysis is not that good.
7. dips go down so ignore up's.
have fun and hopefully the next phase will be better and more item drops and less skins (a few faction would be nice).
finally hope this does some good as i support the idea CCP.
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