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Miranda Starborn
Gallente Beehive Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.22 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Miranda Starborn on 22/05/2007 12:57:27
Originally by: Karlemgne His continued insistence that he's never been wrong
That is a false statement. Originally by: Karlemgne while not using any data
That is a false statement. Originally by: Karlemgne or sound reasoning to back it up
That is a false statement.
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Cruthensis
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Posted - 2007.05.22 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 21/05/2007 17:38:29 Can I interest you in some 80 Million ISK Magic Missiles?
Maybe I can interest an entire corporation in my several hundred magic missiles
Can I interest you in a Magic Ibis?
How about a Carbon Freighter?
It looks like I got a new target corporation.
Wow! Research ftw. I'm so new(b) I didn't even realise you could do that. Gonna waste me some time looking at my local miner haulers - see where their isk might be headed.
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Dahin
Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:28:00 -
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hey, how about trying to sneak in their corp the next time they hop corps?
With those names, I bet they have a hard time telling one from the other ;)
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.05.22 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dahin hey, how about trying to sneak in their corp the next time they hop corps?
With those names, I bet they have a hard time telling one from the other ;)
This works, even when not using a fibberish name.
Look at my alt, "Flynn Walker" corporation history.
Some farmer corps accepted him out of the blue without even talking to him, once I was in I went to town on them.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.22 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Miranda Starborn Edited by: Miranda Starborn on 22/05/2007 12:57:27
Originally by: Karlemgne His continued insistence that he's never been wrong
That is a false statement. Originally by: Karlemgne while not using any data
That is a false statement. Originally by: Karlemgne or sound reasoning to back it up
That is a false statement.
Pray tell, how else does one interpret "I've never, ever been wrong," if not to mean, I've never been wrong.
Second, the first argument he gave to me was something along the lines of: Me: "How do you know they are isk farmers?" Voogru (paraphrased:) "I've never been wrong in the past" Me: "How do you know you've never been wrong in the past" Voogru: "Silly, I've never been wrong!"
Clearly begging the question.
He then came up with this clever ditty:
If isk farmers > they stop using their accounts ^ ~they stop using their accounts (sic.)
~they stop using their accounts
Therefore: They're isk farmers
I think we can both agree that this is totally and completely invalid, above and beyond the ridiculousness of the premises.
As to the suggestion that he did offer data, that statement was tied to the assumption that he at no point attempted an inductive argument. He did offer some facts in an attempt to prove that it was certain that these people were isk farmers. Nothing he posted comes anywhere close to being a necessary and sufficent condition for isk farming.
Therefore, I ammend what I said, he offered no "data" that came anywhere near being a necessary and sufficent condition for his claim, namely that the corp involved here is beyond doubt an isk farming corp.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:53:00 -
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And for the record, this has now turned into a conversation between those with a philosophy/mathematical logic background, rendering it completely pointless to everyone else.
-Karl
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.05.22 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne Me: "How do you know they are isk farmers?" Voogru (paraphrased:) "I've never been wrong in the past" Me: "How do you know you've never been wrong in the past" Voogru: "Silly, I've never been wrong!"
As to the suggestion that he did offer data, that statement was tied to the assumption that he at no point attempted an inductive argument. He did offer some facts in an attempt to prove that it was certain that these people were isk farmers. Nothing he posted comes anywhere close to being a necessary and sufficent condition for isk farming.
Therefore, I ammend what I said, he offered no "data" that came anywhere near being a necessary and sufficent condition for his claim, namely that the corp involved here is beyond doubt an isk farming corp.
-Karlemgne
Originally by: voogru You want to see what I am talking about? Here you go:
Can I interest you in some 80 Million ISK Magic Missiles?
Maybe I can interest an entire corporation in my several hundred magic missiles
Can I interest you in a Magic Ibis?
How about a Carbon Freighter?
It looks like I got a new target corporation.
Yeah, they might not be ISK sellers or ISK Farmers.
Look at the last one, compare it with "bob usb Corp" and look for the similarities. Not all farmers use contracts, but this gives you an idea of what TO look for. I love how you completely dodged this entire post.
Now, tell me these are not farmers and are legitimate players. So everyone else will know you have no idea what you are talking about.
Have a nice day.
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Icome4u
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: Icome4u on 23/05/2007 02:37:14 Karlemgne stfu m8... you are just being annoying now. If you have a problem with what he is doing, war dec him. END OF THE ******* STORY!
OP keep podding those isk sellers. Less of them = less lag
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Silent Killa
God's of Eve
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Posted - 2007.05.23 04:32:00 -
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Awsome work
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Cruthensis
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Posted - 2007.05.23 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
Therefore, I ammend what I said, he offered no "data" that came anywhere near being a necessary and sufficent condition for his claim, namely that the corp involved here is beyond doubt an isk farming corp.
He has a point here. Has anyone considered that maybe it was a magic Ibis? Well? Did ya? Is it really fair that we jump to conclusions from this data. You only showed screenshots with about 400 allegedly dodgy contracts and who's to say what they were using them for. Maybe they were just using them to move enormous amounts of money from one character to another without using direct ISK transfer - and what could possibly be suspect about that?!
So I'm with Karl 100%. These guys look like bone-fide, straight-up, playing for the love of the game, players. Personally, I'm thinking of changing my name to gkkjhdf. It's actually quite catchy when you say it fast, a lot, and the absence of vowels is very ecomomic.
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:58:00 -
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The reason they made a player corp is because it's the only way they could 'rent' space from an Alliance in 0.0.
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Haclya
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:09:00 -
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keep doing the good work im curenly stealing ore from farmes good luck whit your hunt.
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 16:28:00 -
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Net time flip the canisters, put all the loot that you cannot pick up into another one of your jet cans. Now when the corp comes in the hauler alts that are not in the corp you can kill them as they pick up the loot since they will get flagged. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
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Investigador
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.23 17:10:00 -
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Karlemgne, this game has all its interface on english. It's imposible to play without knowing a minimum of english. (altough i think there is a german version)
They are capable to connect to the internet, navigate to this web, download the program, follow the installation instructions, select a bloodline, carreer, specialization, etc.
Do no tell that, after managing to do all the above, they are still unable to find not even an asian sounding name to their char or their corp, or making a hate mail on broken english.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari Aegis Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Dalran Net time flip the canisters, put all the loot that you cannot pick up into another one of your jet cans. Now when the corp comes in the hauler alts that are not in the corp you can kill them as they pick up the loot since they will get flagged.
Another point to that is they may not even mess with your jetcan at all. They are probably lookin for a certain named can, and yours aint it
Voogru, if you are still keeping tabs on this thread, good on ya. Its that type of industriousness that makes EVE the best. I would fly with you anytime to take down farmers/macros/carebears.
And Thank You very much for sharing your strategies. I am going to put it to use ASAP, as I hang in high sec a lot (its where my missions are! WHAT?) . I personally think you have it pegged. Your "12-step Plan to Identify Farmers" is brilliant.
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2007.05.23 18:54:00 -
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To OP - Class work there...was talking to you in EVE about this a few days ago, again well done.
To Karl - EVE is a non-consentual PVP game...live with it, it makes no dofference who these guys where, if they were 'ordinary' players, well they just got hit with a big loss; if they were farmers, they got justice.
One Empire, One People, One Emperor, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
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Imodesky Kafelnikov
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:37:00 -
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Why blow up isk farmers? I will let you all in on a little known isk making secret. You can sell your own "protection" in eve. Dont blow up the isk farmers! Forum a corp with them and set the tax to 20% then just let the isk roll in. All the while "protecting" them, from pvpers. I will tell you Xelas had a few of these.... but then again so did I.
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.31 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov Why blow up isk farmers? I will let you all in on a little known isk making secret. You can sell your own "protection" in eve. Dont blow up the isk farmers! Forum a corp with them and set the tax to 20% then just let the isk roll in. All the while "protecting" them, from pvpers. I will tell you Xelas had a few of these.... but then again so did I.
***** that whip, and have your own sweat shop!
shhhhhhhhhhh
DE
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darth solo
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.05.31 15:28:00 -
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voogru dont try and defend urself here, EVE is full of ppl who just want to argue.
it looked like a legit kill of isk farmers to me and if it was not?, who cares, then it was just a legit good kill. either way ur hip is heavier with isk.
d solo. celes apoc new kilboard |
voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.05.31 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 31/05/2007 15:59:19
Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov Why blow up isk farmers? I will let you all in on a little known isk making secret. You can sell your own "protection" in eve. Dont blow up the isk farmers! Forum a corp with them and set the tax to 20% then just let the isk roll in. All the while "protecting" them, from pvpers. I will tell you Xelas had a few of these.... but then again so did I.
***** that whip, and have your own sweat shop!
Already thought of this, doesn't work. Besides I'd make the tax 50%-95% or so, but they only form corporations with their own kind.
Originally by: darth solo voogru dont try and defend urself here, EVE is full of ppl who just want to argue.
it looked like a legit kill of isk farmers to me and if it was not?, who cares, then it was just a legit good kill. either way ur hip is heavier with isk.
d solo.
I'm not really trying to defend my actions, but I am trying to bring attention to people who are a threat to EVE (look at EVE-China) and trying to get other people to jump onto the bandwagon. Hunt ISK farmers right and you could potentially profit.
Farmers are actually responsible for a lot of my wealth, but I still want them all banned, since that aint going to happen, next best thing is to ruin as many of their operations as possible, ive been fairly successfull as a one man fleet pretty much
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.31 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Latest victim
Are you flying an arazu with no guns or is it just me?
DE
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.05.31 18:33:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 31/05/2007 18:37:41
Originally by: DarkElf
Originally by: voogru
Latest victim
Are you flying an arazu with no guns or is it just me?
DE
What am I going to do with an Arazu and 2x 250mm railguns that do piddly squat damage at 35km+? The character flying this is super specialized Drones/EW/Sensor Dampening/Cloaky Cloaky and can't even use T2 railguns. I do have 250mm Railguns in the cargohold but I didn't see how fitting them would make a difference for this case.
Now when I know im hunting haulers/covetors, I do fit the 250mm's.
And I must tell you, I have some oddball setups (ie, shield tanking gallente ships), mainly because of the basilisk support, and I have another very BAD DPS machariel thats intended for bumping farmers outside of docking range of stations.
But, I have no losses from farmers attacking me, so what I'm doing must work.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Vendetta Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.31 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
This little moron thought it was clever to keep ditching & rejoining the corp (kiss546) to avoid fights, I caught him with his pants down in a mission. He dropped 2x True Sansha EANMS (50-60M a piece). His buddies that were doing the mission with him could only sit and watch, had they have been ordinary players all in the same corporation, he might have got away. (Thats why I fit so many sensor dampeners, I expected more of them).
Hey, these are the guys I was robbing blind in Giserles. Or at least they were the guys who came in to lay the smack upon me most mightily after stealing from their guys in noobcorp for a while.
I wonder how big their organization is.. Hmm..curiouser and curiouser.
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A legitimate businessman interested in unilateral re-appropriation of goods and salvage. |
voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.05.31 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 31/05/2007 21:58:05
Originally by: Zedrik Cayne
Originally by: voogru
This little moron thought it was clever to keep ditching & rejoining the corp (kiss546) to avoid fights, I caught him with his pants down in a mission. He dropped 2x True Sansha EANMS (50-60M a piece). His buddies that were doing the mission with him could only sit and watch, had they have been ordinary players all in the same corporation, he might have got away. (Thats why I fit so many sensor dampeners, I expected more of them).
Hey, these are the guys I was robbing blind in Giserles. Or at least they were the guys who came in to lay the smack upon me most mightily after stealing from their guys in noobcorp for a while.
I wonder how big their organization is.. Hmm..curiouser and curiouser.
Yeah, I had a 2 hour stalemate with Quen Tonn, it was the first time a farmer ever got away from me, he was in NPC corp at the time, but he had support transfering cap to his nos domi (true forces), which was in kiss546 corp.
How nice of him to join kiss546 corp after I war decced it. Manage to find him in a shuttle once, he saw me and warped to a planet and logged off. I sat at the planet waited for him to log back on and podded him.
Then he quit corp, aww... No more ganking him.
But wait... he rejoined the same day so I came back the next day, find him in a mission Dominix, and me and a few friends podded him again for good measure. I hope he forgot to update his clone.
Farmers don't get away from me and get away with it.
Oh, and before I forget, my alt logistic character that was responsible for making the first fight with Quen Tonn a 2 hour stalemate rather than a 10 second gank (where I would have got pwned), was let into "kiss546" corp, where he flew around and killed some of the members. It was nice to be able to use the map to track corp members.
Their corp chat was pretty quiet, only calling out to me in Chinese when one of them died.
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Zedrik Cayne
Gallente Vendetta Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.06.01 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
These are a oddball bunch, they will be in covetors, you steal their ore, they go get nos domis, if your still there, they attack you.
Actually, my bunch were mostly only fit for mining except for one that was flying a scorpion.
Let me see..there was cjamn who was hauling. Wuuejcke who pilots a scorpion. Kjaiuw who was flying a nos domi. Beyonha in a Domi with T2 drones. Quen Tonn in another domi. Um.. oh yes and Qsccard in a Mega that was at least partially gank fit.
Originally by: voogru
Unfortanatly, he was a real prick and kept docking his drones every time they took shield damage, only way for me to kill them was to dock my drones, wait for him to undock them, undock my drones and tell all of my drones to attack a single drone. I was able to kill 1 drone every... 10 minutes. I really wish I would have fit a blaster and this might have been a different fight. I never expected them to be this smart
Depending on the time of day they are either really smart or really dumb. I guess it depends on who is driving at that point.
I hope some of this information is useful to you, and good luck in your endeavors. If you're ever up through placid or verge vendor way drop me a line.
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Rooker
Lysian Enterprises United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2007.06.01 04:58:00 -
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I think the more important question here is this - How does an obvious Isk Farmer/Seller corp get access to the 0.0 drone regions?
I've lived in 0.0. If you didn't have the right standings and were in our territory, a whole swarm of bloodthirsty PvPers hungry for a killmail descended on your head (myself included). How does a person with a name that practically SCREAMS "Hi, I'm a macro selling ISK to losers who can't hack it in EVE" fly a freighter in and out of this 0.0 region?
I've been on freighter ops in a war zone. It is tense, it is dangerous and there is a very good chance the freighter is going to get ganked no matter how big a blob is escorting it.
Actually, better question - Who has 'blue' standings to this corp, which allows them to travel in and out of that region? I'd be very interested to know the answer to that.
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Flynn Walker
Caldari People's Front Of Judea
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Posted - 2007.06.02 04:19:00 -
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Well, at least I wont be getting jammed by farmers anymore.
Lets see them farmers jam this.
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Kianwan
Caldari The Patriot Society
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Posted - 2007.06.02 10:06:00 -
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Unfortunately with the way jamming works you might get jammed on first try still
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Flynn Walker
Caldari People's Front Of Judea
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Posted - 2007.06.02 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kianwan Unfortunately with the way jamming works you might get jammed on first try still
there using 2x multispec 2's. this should reduce the chance enough to kill them.
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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:53:00 -
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nice --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! |
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