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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1942
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Posted - 2017.05.29 22:23:09 -
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Someone had to say it. Congrats for the long fought battles and such. |
Ria Nieyli
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
50699
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Posted - 2017.05.29 22:28:25 -
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But muh #nomedal. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1942
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Posted - 2017.05.29 22:29:23 -
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Already got it a year ago. |
Ria Nieyli
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
50699
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Posted - 2017.05.29 22:32:18 -
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Congratulations on that achievement then. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1942
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Posted - 2017.05.29 23:42:23 -
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Meh, less combat practice now Amarr is licking their wounds.... Now to find new hunting grounds. |
Ria Nieyli
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
50702
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Posted - 2017.05.29 23:50:51 -
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It's not like they had the majority of their forces operating in that theater anyway. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1943
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Posted - 2017.05.30 01:07:04 -
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Exactly, it was a hollow victory so no fanfare what so ever from me at least. Those who fought on the other side fought bravely but even with (according to some anonymous sources I have) there were times where there were over 130-160 pilots on within their militia and we had < 70 and I saw maybe 5-10 different combatants on a 2 hour roam its not like there really was a challenge compared to other times we were less successful. The pirates put up more of a fight. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
1047
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Posted - 2017.05.30 06:48:32 -
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While I am usually among the first to call it a "toy war" I do not think there is any reason to downplay the achievement.
While total control in the Militia zone is not exactly unheard of, it is still not an everyday thing, and many people in Ushra'Khan and elsewhere actually did put in work for this one. Toy war or not, I was glad to be part of that effort.
A major part of winning a campaign, any campaign, in this cluster, is to have the numbers and to have the will to fight. Once you get those, things might seem easy, but getting them is not something anyone can do. So even more reason to not downplay it.
My compliments especially to PIE Inc and Admiral Gaven Lok'ri, who fought till the end, and I suspect will fight to the end several times more, as the tide turns.
Now what, Sanmatar Shakor? |
Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2433
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Posted - 2017.05.30 07:30:51 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:While I am usually among the first to call it a "toy war" I do not think there is any reason to downplay the achievement.
While total control in the Militia zone is not exactly unheard of, it is still not an everyday thing, and many people in Ushra'Khan and elsewhere actually did put in work for this one. Toy war or not, I was glad to be part of that effort.
A major part of winning a campaign, any campaign, in this cluster, is to have the numbers and to have the will to fight. Once you get those, things might seem easy, but getting them is not something anyone can do. So even more reason to not downplay it.
My compliments especially to PIE Inc and Admiral Gaven Lok'ri, who fought till the end, and I suspect will fight to the end several times more, as the tide turns.
Now what, Sanmatar Shakor?
Easy. Faff around until the Crusade musters a sizeable enough force to retake lost ground and possibly gain total warzone control.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2303
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Posted - 2017.05.30 07:52:26 -
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Remind me, what happened the last time this happened?
It strikes me that when the Gallente systems were taken by the Caldari, there was quite the hooh-hah with planets being sold left right and centre, And when the reverse occurred it was the catalyst for the recapture of Caldari Prime.
But when it happened in the Amarr/Minmatar zone, I don't recall seeing anything particularly significant happening.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
1047
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Posted - 2017.05.30 07:56:30 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Now what, Sanmatar Shakor? Easy. Faff around until the Crusade musters a sizeable enough force to retake lost ground and possibly gain total warzone control. You are a little late to the Dissing The Pendulum War party, Egivand. We did that a couple of years ago already.
We are now at the "demand the government takes further action" phase.
Just thought I'd say in case you want to join. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2433
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Posted - 2017.05.30 08:04:38 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Now what, Sanmatar Shakor? Easy. Faff around until the Crusade musters a sizeable enough force to retake lost ground and possibly gain total warzone control. You are a little late to the Dissing The Pendulum War party, Egivand. We did that a couple of years ago already. We are now at the "demand the government takes further action" phase. Just thought I'd say in case you want to join.
I had been dissing the Pendulum War a year since I joined up with the TLF.
And sincerely, I doubt Sanmatar Shakor's going to change anything, not even this time.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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ValentinaDLM
Remember The Fallen. Atlas. Alliance
962
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Posted - 2017.05.30 09:00:35 -
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Congratulations, once again on this achievement. I do implore those loyal to the Republic to continue to hone their combat skills preferably as part of an organization enrolled with the TLF. We never know when or how strongly the Amarr will come back, but we know more or less that they will, we must not let our combat skills degrade during this time. There are plenty of pirates to practice on, and plenty of Amarrians in Providence still looking down on the tribes. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4101
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Posted - 2017.05.30 13:23:08 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:We are now at the "demand the government takes further action" phase.
No, you're at the 'demand the government takes further action and get told that taking the war zone is not the same as holding the war zone, and before anyone can press any political advantage given by this situation, you have to demonstrate the ability to hold that space long enough to enact last societal change on those planets' phase.
Which is all bunk, of course, but it's what they'll tell you. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera
1635
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Posted - 2017.05.30 17:01:17 -
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Is this whole thing still a useful avenue for market manipulation or have the proles caught on a bit to the to-and-fro?
Also let's get a few Empire representatives in here to eat the appropriate amount of crow.
Sabik now, Sabik forever
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3219
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Posted - 2017.05.30 17:11:51 -
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I wish our Amarr allies to gather strength faster and to liberate their lands from tribal oppression. Remember - while these savage roam lands, no one can be safe. The order must be restored, and Republicans must be kicked out.
I wish you all the best, Imperials. I would gladly come and help myself to repent this tribal menace, but unfortunately, my hands are bound in our warzone, because gallant occupants are keep pressing and oppressing our population as well, and my duty first belongs to our people, who suffer from gallente subjugation and inhuman tortures.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1948
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Posted - 2017.05.30 17:13:11 -
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Still money to be made though I would think null has more opportunities. |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1948
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Posted - 2017.05.30 17:15:10 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I wish our Amarr allies to gather strength faster and to liberate their lands from tribal oppression. Remember - while these savage roam lands, no one can be safe. The order must be restored, and Republicans must be kicked out.
I wish you all the best, Imperials. I would gladly come and help myself to repent this tribal menace, but unfortunately, my hands are bound in our warzone, because gallant occupants are keep pressing and oppressing our population as well, and my duty first belongs to our people, who suffer from gallente subjugation and inhuman tortures. The Caldari will come, they MUST come.....
No seriously, new opponents would be greatly appreciated. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3220
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Posted - 2017.05.30 17:17:05 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I wish our Amarr allies to gather strength faster and to liberate their lands from tribal oppression. Remember - while these savage roam lands, no one can be safe. The order must be restored, and Republicans must be kicked out.
I wish you all the best, Imperials. I would gladly come and help myself to repent this tribal menace, but unfortunately, my hands are bound in our warzone, because gallant occupants are keep pressing and oppressing our population as well, and my duty first belongs to our people, who suffer from gallente subjugation and inhuman tortures. The Caldari will come, they MUST come..... No seriously, new opponents would be greatly appreciated. As soon as we push gallente swines back into their hiding holes.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4109
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Posted - 2017.05.30 17:26:34 -
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That sounds a lot like abandoning your posts to let the Gallente retake your space, Diana. Surely once you take it, you have to hold it, no? |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
7709
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Posted - 2017.05.30 17:37:48 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Remind me, what happened the last time this happened?
It strikes me that when the Gallente systems were taken by the Caldari, there was quite the hooh-hah with planets being sold left right and centre, And when the reverse occurred it was the catalyst for the recapture of Caldari Prime.
But when it happened in the Amarr/Minmatar zone, I don't recall seeing anything particularly significant happening.
To be fair, I think it was the novelty of the thing that kicked all that off, Valerie - and the long term consequences proved to be based entirely outside of the warzone, itself, in both cases. These days I would be very surprised if one side or the other seizing control of the warzone led to anything - I understand that a shiny medal is unlikely to even result, these days.
Let's be honest, I can see some participants using the guarantee of a medal to justify being part of the conquest of all four sections of the warzone in quick rotation...
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
339
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Posted - 2017.05.30 23:24:34 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Let's be honest, I can see some participants using the guarantee of a medal to justify being part of the conquest of all four sections of the warzone in quick rotation... We already see many more participants using the opportunity to make a profit as the motivation to switch sides regularly. I doubt a medal will be more enticing.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1956
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Posted - 2017.05.30 23:37:51 -
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Ascentior wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Let's be honest, I can see some participants using the guarantee of a medal to justify being part of the conquest of all four sections of the warzone in quick rotation... We already see many more participants using the opportunity to make a profit as the motivation to switch sides regularly. I doubt a medal will be more enticing. Well said. That and the large number of warp core stabs... |
DeT Resprox
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
320
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Posted - 2017.05.30 23:50:42 -
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There were several campaigns launched involving the entire Minmatar militia in focusing on the final goals at hand:
Operation Backyard Burn Huola Operation Lamaa
These helped to pave the way ahead for the final systems involved - Siege Green left at a point during our Operation Huola focus.
Ushra'Khan Leader + Founder // T.R.I.A.D CEO // EVEPANDORA.COM
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1956
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Posted - 2017.05.31 00:03:15 -
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Those campaigns, especially Houla, ran very smoothly from my point of view. There were plenty of things for us to be proud of, but where were CVA? Where were other groups who jumped in in the end last time? PIE was basically held up in Arzad for the latter half of this push it seemed. As you put, Siege Green moved on. Plenty to be proud of, not a lot to defend the systems it seemed. Pirates, while many being friendly to the 24IC aren't able to fight all their battles. Thats been proven I guess? |
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
719
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Posted - 2017.05.31 00:30:19 -
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PIEs pilots did extraordinarily. Especially some of our newer recruits who put their effort in and held Arzad for weeks against nearly constant superior numbers.
But eventually numbers won out, though I am quite pleased to say that it we continued to cause Matari casualties right up until the end despite insurmountable odds. Our Tormentors, Punishers, and Coercers proved more than a match for Matari Firetails, Comets, and Thrashers.
Still the Matari kept coming despite their losses, and their persistence and willingness to keep up the pressure was remarkable.
Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade
Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1960
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Posted - 2017.05.31 00:42:56 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:PIEs pilots did extraordinarily. Especially some of our newer recruits who put their effort in and held Arzad for weeks against nearly constant superior numbers.
But eventually numbers won out, though I am quite pleased to say that it we continued to cause Matari casualties right up until the end despite insurmountable odds. Our Tormentors, Punishers, and Coercers proved more than a match for Matari Firetails, Comets, and Thrashers.
Still the Matari kept coming despite their losses, and their persistence and willingness to keep up the pressure was remarkable.
I have to agree with that. I found myself questioning my own tactics fighting some of your newer recruits than your old guard rather frequently. Whether it was Sillyak a few days ago or a few others in the past week I'm drawing a blank on specific names, A lot of the fights with your newer faces have been interesting. |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
136
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Posted - 2017.05.31 08:54:59 -
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Obligatory yawn.
Congratulations on a meta play I guess. The real issue is that what happened to us is about to happen to you. No not the warzone loss, the complete atrophy of your factions player engagement where your only contribution is to provide easy picking content for pirates. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
2030
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Posted - 2017.05.31 09:49:04 -
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Well there's a fa... there's a hood I haven't seen in a long time. How did that Civil War of yours turn out? |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders Electus Matari
1069
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Posted - 2017.05.31 09:53:51 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:There were plenty of things for us to be proud of, but where were CVA? CVA is in Providence, fighting for Providence.
As they, frankly, should be. |
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