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Anja Nukky
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.05.23 09:51:49 -
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If i kill someone in HS, can i escape Concord by entering WH space?
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Wander Prian
Art Of Explosions
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Posted - 2017.05.23 09:55:49 -
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You cannot escape CONCORD. If you attack someone in highsec without a valid reason, you will lose your ship to CONCORD 100%
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Anja Nukky
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.05.23 10:02:00 -
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Let's say i am 0 meters on the WH enterance in HS, i one shot someone and press jump into WH space ... CONCORD will need some time to get me, so im wondering you know, will i be able to escape ? |
Wander Prian
Art Of Explosions
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Posted - 2017.05.23 10:05:00 -
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Anja Nukky wrote:Let's say i am 0 meters on the WH enterance in HS, i one shot someone and press jump into WH space ... CONCORD will need some time to get me, so im wondering you know, will i be able to escape ?
You cannot run away. You WILL lose your ship. You won't be able to jump the wormhole.
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Anja Nukky
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.05.23 10:07:01 -
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Wander Prian wrote:Anja Nukky wrote:Let's say i am 0 meters on the WH enterance in HS, i one shot someone and press jump into WH space ... CONCORD will need some time to get me, so im wondering you know, will i be able to escape ? You cannot run away. You WILL lose your ship. You won't be able to jump the wormhole.
thx so CONCOrd will lock down WH enterance, stupid |
Wander Prian
Art Of Explosions
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Posted - 2017.05.23 10:26:27 -
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Anja Nukky wrote:Wander Prian wrote:Anja Nukky wrote:Let's say i am 0 meters on the WH enterance in HS, i one shot someone and press jump into WH space ... CONCORD will need some time to get me, so im wondering you know, will i be able to escape ? You cannot run away. You WILL lose your ship. You won't be able to jump the wormhole. thx so CONCOrd will lock down WH enterance, stupid
CONCORD is a game-mechanic, enforcing risk/reward in highsec. If you attack someone illegally in highsec, you WILL lose your ship. Escaping CONCORD means you have hacked the game, thus would result in your account being banned. If you want to gank someone and run away, you can do that in lowsec or nullsec. In highsec, you have to pay the price for ganking without a valid reason. There's a reason why it's called suicide-ganking.
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Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
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Posted - 2017.05.23 10:32:54 -
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It is a violation of game policy to avoid retaliation from CONCORD. If you did find a way it would be considered an exploit and could get you banned from the game. |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2017.05.23 13:43:20 -
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Official list of bannable exploits, note the last line of the top entry:
Quote:It is also considered an exploit to commit a criminal act and prevent ship loss to CONCORD by any means. |
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2017.05.23 14:17:11 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Official list of bannable exploits, note the last line of the top entry: Quote:It is also considered an exploit to commit a criminal act and prevent ship loss to CONCORD by any means. By the way, it's not Concord that prevents you from escaping through the wormhole, it's the weapons timer that you get with your first shot. This mechanic is used in PVP; if your target doesn't shoot back, it CAN go through the wormhole (or stargate, or dock at a station) and you cannot follow it for 60 seconds. This mechanic is also used with "station undock games" PVP; the guy undocks in some bling ship and you attack and he doesn't shoot back, just instantly docks at 3% armor and repairs inside the station.
This is incorrect, you can go through wormholes with a weapons timer. Only gates prevent you from doing so, wormholes behave differently. In the case of wormholes, the polarisation effect prevents endless "wormhole games". In the case of suicide ganking however, you still cannot escape through a wormhole, CONCORD magically blocks you. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2017.05.23 17:46:15 -
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Anja Nukky wrote:If i kill someone in HS, can i escape Concord by entering WH space?
thx No, but don't let that stop you. Sacrificing ships to CONCORD is often a profitable and entertaining option. Spend your time ensuring that any loss to CONCORD will benefit you rather than trying to cheese your way around the mechanics. Even if you find a way to avoid CONCORD, it is by decree an exploit and will get you into trouble. Just pay the cost and enjoy the spoils of your criminality.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2017.05.23 18:14:22 -
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Ways to do murder upon your fellow highsec reidents.
Duel: right click menu.
They can either click yes or no, if yes ye are both flagged with a limited engagement and may fire* upon one another. Ye are free from direct third party interferance though both of ye may use indirect aid i.e. logistics (heals) or boosts (buffs). General stratigy with this is to smack talk untill someone decides they will try and shut you up. Moderatly sucessfull if you have the gift of the gab.
Gank: F1 Just shoot someone in the face, you get concorded and a 15 min time out. Scales well with numbers and forethought, General stratigy is to make a cost/payout calculation and plan ahead. can be remarkably profitable if you happen to be surounded by idiots.
War: Form a corp, find a suitable target corp, push the big red button, pay concord off (fee 50-500m) You have a 24h timer before you can actually shoot anything, but are free to do so for any and all corp members you can find for the next week. General stratigy is to find and murder on a corp level. There are some good solo operators out there but few and far between. You also run into mercenaries this way and to be honest thats a rabit hole im not going into but you can find more info over in the crime & punishment subforum.
Bear flipping: scan mission runner, steal something, hope they freak out and try to kill you for it. This can be hilariouslys good fun of you are the patient sort, further reading can be found here http://evedarklord.blogspot.ie/search?q=Vampire&m=1
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2017.05.23 18:29:13 -
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C'mon, guys, OP-dude just asked you 'bout "how it works", not to hear "YOU CAN DO DAT!!! YOU'RE HACKER!!!" or to read explanation on whole Hi-Sec PvP.
In common you CAN go through WH with active weapon-timer, but in case with CONCORD you'll be probably "magically blocked". Tho CONCORD is "in-game mechanics", it looks pretty stupid and ruins impression from EvE too often. Yeah, we need CONCORD, but it should act a bit more realistic.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.23 20:49:30 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:C'mon, guys, OP-dude just asked you 'bout "how it works", not to hear "YOU CAN DO DAT!!! YOU'RE HACKER!!!" or to read explanation on whole Hi-Sec PvP.
In common you CAN go through WH with active weapon-timer, but in case with CONCORD you'll be probably "magically blocked". Tho CONCORD is "in-game mechanics", it looks pretty stupid and ruins impression from EvE too often. Yeah, we need CONCORD, but it should act a bit more realistic. Concord punishment is 100% unavoidable. It is a game mechanic with no work-around or loop-holes. It is a basic part of this game and it's been around since before wormholes.
When they introduced wormholes they had to keep the concord mechanic and apparently could not come up with a means that kept within your immersion criteria. Given the choices available I'd rather have wormholes and a slight game lore break in consistency than not have wormholes.
If you have some ideas on how this could be accomplished in a more immersive way than maybe you want to post that over in GD.
As with most things in life I generally tell people that positive input is far more productive than negative input. If you have an idea or want ot start a discussion that is great. However just pointing out a shortcoming that you can think of no better solution for is not very helpful. The one exception to this rule that I can think of is if you are opening a topic up for discussion looking for solutions. However in your post here I just saw complaining. |
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
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Posted - 2017.05.24 01:45:09 -
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evading CONCORD retribution is a bannable offense.
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
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Posted - 2017.05.24 06:47:12 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:However in your post here I just saw complaining. My original complain is 'bout how people here are not answering the question, but giving a lot of obvious explanations instead.
As 'bout not-so-perfect CONCORD mechanics - yeah, i think 'bout it, but every solution comes on my mind is not perfect for me. If i'll find one - sure, i'll make a topic 'bout it.
Mephiztopheleze wrote:evading CONCORD retribution is a bannable offense. Another one. People, do you even read OP?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2017.05.24 08:12:40 -
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The first response in the thread answerd just fine, all of tje rest is follow up.
This is not the place to start getting your forum worrior on, ill happily indulge you with wordy fistycuffs if you fancy ,juat not in this sub.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2017.05.24 12:31:34 -
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Also, we're not discussing HOW to avoid Concord because it's an exploit and discussing exploits on the forums will get the thread locked really fast. Not that there's a way, either. |
ISD Stall
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2017.05.25 09:55:54 -
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Anja Nukky wrote:If i kill someone in HS, can i escape Concord by entering WH space?
thx
A very quick three bullet point answer for you:
- Concord's response is punitive and not protective - If you are in high security space and in a ship (not a pod); with a criminal timer, they will kill you. If you find a way to stop that from happening that is an exploit and a bannable offence.
- Delaying Concord's response intentionally by spawning them in other locations, often referred to as dragging Concord, or using other methods such as ejecting ships from a Bowhead, and using them to apply damage before Concord kills you again, is also an exploit.
- If you find something that you believe is an exploit, file a support ticket and ask! You can check for a list of known and declared exploits here.
ISD Stall
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2017.05.25 10:16:00 -
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ISD Stall wrote: Delaying Concord's response intentionally by spawning them in other locations, often referred to as dragging Concord, or using other methods such as ejecting ships from a Bowhead, and using them to apply damage before Concord kills you again, is also an exploit. underlined and emboldened , since when ? we had a gm clarify that concord manipulation in this vein i.e. spawning them, was not considered an exploit. when was this change and can you link to where this is stated?
edit: dragging concord is not listed on the Declared Exploits page. distracting them via jettison is but nothing mentioned about spawning them in other locations
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ISD Stall
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2017.05.25 10:35:43 -
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Ralph see the exploit below:
Quote:Delaying CONCORD response or completely avoiding it.
Committing a criminal act and delaying CONCORD response for an extended period of time.
Commonly involves leaving empty ships or drones in space that CONCORD focuses on before dealing with the attacker. This exploit is not limited to drones or ships and applies to any item or method which might be used to delay CONCORD.
Delaying Concord, by dragging usually involves causing Concord to spawn in one area of a system just before you engage in a criminal act, this slows Concord's response down sometimes by a number of seconds. This can also involve attacking someone, being Concorded, un-docking in a rookie ship, to move concord away from the target area, and then after your 15-minute timer is up going back to the target location.
It does come down to interpretation, so if you have asked a GM and they have said that 'dragging Concord' is acceptable then that is then go with that ruling. After all Game Masters enforce the rules.
ISD Stall
Member, Support Training and Resources
Ensign, Community Communications Liaison
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2017.05.25 10:51:33 -
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ISD Stall wrote:Ralph see the exploit below: Quote:Delaying CONCORD response or completely avoiding it.
Committing a criminal act and delaying CONCORD response for an extended period of time.
Commonly involves leaving empty ships or drones in space that CONCORD focuses on before dealing with the attacker. This exploit is not limited to drones or ships and applies to any item or method which might be used to delay CONCORD. Delaying Concord, by dragging usually involves causing Concord to spawn in one area of a system just before you engage in a criminal act, this slows Concord's response down sometimes by a number of seconds. This can also involve attacking someone, being Concorded, un-docking in a rookie ship, to move concord away from the target area, and then after your 15-minute timer is up going back to the target location. It does come down to interpretation, so if you have asked a GM and they have said that 'dragging Concord' is acceptable then that is then go with that ruling. After all Game Masters enforce the rules. yeah i see that and im not disputing whats there , but dragging concord does not delay the response time from what its supposed to be , the tactic is related to moving concord from the current grid so they don't pop you early , in effect resetting it to the norm as per the systems sec. you still get slapped within the time frame the rules state you should.
ill clarify though, im not trying to advocate one way or the other here ,rules are rules, id just like have this clear.
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ISD Stall
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2017.05.25 12:37:34 -
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Please clarify this issue with a Game Master for an official position from CCP.
Fly Safe o7
ISD Stall
Member, Support Training and Resources
Ensign, Community Communications Liaison
Interstellar Services Department.
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