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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.11 04:49:29 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:The biggest whales CCP can ever get are already in the game and have been since day 1 basically. Those Null players who run 40 or 50 alts for spies etc, those are already whales. And CCP knows it. That is why they bend over backwards to keep those players.
So no, this is just a baseless fear mongering thread worthy of serious tinfoil. What's better than whales? Moar whales!
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hmskrecik
TransMine Group
252
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Posted - 2017.05.11 05:48:08 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:I just say the "you can't buy player skill" argument is bad since that is actually true no matter what CCP does or even for any other game. You have a point. In every game player skills play a role and this is something you can't buy. Actually you can, you can hire such player ;) but this is not what we are talking about. We are talking about what's beside. It's avatar skills and avatar gear and in EVE presently you can, indirectly but still, buy both for real world money. Now the very important question is the balance of player vs. avatar. In my opinion EVE still leans heavily on player side and this is why, again in my opinion, this argument is valid. Not because it's universally true but because in EVE it matters. The problem would be if the game was relying on the avatar side (like I heard is in World of Tanks, with higher tiers available only via microtransactions and no matter what your player-skill, you can't compete with higher tiers).
Quote:Also the argument that CCP gets a free pass with stuff they add to the cash shop because you can resell it in the market is pretty stupid in my opinion. It's like the market is laundering the money or something? I mean you could make the same argument if they would add gold ammo to the shop. In4b the guy who would be ok with that except if it is "soul-bound"... I did not make this argument, but we can discuss it nonetheless. :) Turned out longer than I planned, sorry.
First the ammo itself. I believe that despite all the hate and ragequits the game would survive. However you want to call CCP employees, they are not stupid and would not release anything game breaking. So probably it would be powerful, maybe overpowered, and stupidly expensive. In certain situations it would be must-have but the second main usage would be the source of hilarious killmails.
And yes, the market does the laundry. Why? Because of the argument I would and I'm going to make.
All this present rage is touching the invisible currency in the game: the time. You can buy it, you can sell it, you can spend it. So it is already a commodity of a sort. BTW, it's only due to PLEX existence that following sentence is not true: "paying Omega players have an advantage which is impossible for Alpha players to achieve". So if you bought for ISK enough PLEX for the next millennium, you are the living proof that EVE is *not* P2W. But I digress.
The thing which become commoditized are SP. Before they were something you gained as you spent time. Now you can buy it. But you buy it with time again. Extractors cost PLEX and PLEX is time (and is also money but time is money so all is good ;). OK, you can buy them with ISK but ISK also cost time. Or if you have good player-skills, they cost you less. Which is my point. The shorter route $$$->SP the worse exchange ratio. |
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
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Posted - 2017.05.11 09:42:16 -
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The internet is shrinking in order to fit into the imaginations of those who want to control it.
The marketers lead the lawyers, politicians and investment bankers into a reality that is small enough for them to understand.
Because they only understand reality, not the cold space of virtuality.
EVE will become a game where you get ships, then blow up ships, to get better ships, to blow up other ships. It's a planned obsolescence, a recycling system of sorts.
With a handy credit facility in case you want to be fastest on the treadmill.
But hey, it is fun sometimes to log in and stare down the beam of a mining laser and wonder if there is a real life out there.
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Garia666
CyberShield Inc
91
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Posted - 2017.05.11 11:25:38 -
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The thing is that players numbers are dropping the last couple of years.. they need to make some extra income. The aur did not do what they wanted however these plex changes will .
The things you can buy is only estetics. There is no better ships for sale only from the plex store.. The skill extractors is something new but there not didtributing skill points from plex. The skills where trained and there for payed.
Now there are 2 currency`s instead of 3 .. = better. I dont want to spend more money on eve but i do like the game so if they can keep it running for the next couple of years due to these changes then good
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Enigma08
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.05.11 13:04:17 -
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Garia666 wrote:The thing is that players numbers are dropping the last couple of years... These numbers are directly proportional to CCP's conscious decisions to force their views onto the player base. I think CCP managed to get rid of anyone that listened to players' input. The CSM is a feeble attempt to elicit a, "we have some say" into the way things are done around here. Pretty much everything that attracted me to playing Eve Online (beta) is gone. I believe that I'm one of two people at my work that still log in, out the of nine that started together. Back in the day, we'd remind each other to update our skill training or call into work to let someone know that their POS was under attack. Now all I hear is the every increasing sound of crickets...
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.
It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
277
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Posted - 2017.05.11 18:21:37 -
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CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima wrote:how do you make so much money in eve so fast? i can barely manage to make 5 million in 2 hours :/ You know, if you can't think of a better place than EvE-O to ask, then I know why you are poor.
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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Sitting Bull Lakota
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
319
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Posted - 2017.05.12 11:21:50 -
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I had a less end-of-days reaction to the changes: They've been beefing up their hardware. They overhauled the NPE. Both of those suggest they expect an increase in volume.
They've been watching PLEX price rise steadily suggesting that the option of paying 15 a moth is less economical to an increasing number of players. CCP recognizes that their product/service is one in competition with others and likely has a relatively elastic demand. CCP splits up PLEX and changes the price model slightly. This allows them to make some pretty big changes without collapsing the econony.
I think we are going to see a change in monthly sub price and a change in the number of PLEX to sub as well. I'm expecting a switch to maybe 1/3 to 1/2 the current monthly sub.
CCP stands to make a pretty good chunk of revenue over what they make now if a drop of 1/2 the price grows the active subs proportional to the spike we had right after the Alpha change. |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
481
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Posted - 2017.05.12 11:54:51 -
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There's no tinfoil hattery to this.
It's been in the roadmap for years now, at least since CCP partnered with Aria Systems in 2015. |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
481
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Posted - 2017.05.12 11:58:54 -
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Garia666 wrote:The thing is that players numbers are dropping the last couple of years... Accounts logged in have been dropping.
I don't really think all those cyno alts and multiboxing bots generated that much revenue for CCP GÇô not compared to what they've been getting in return via the store and SP Extractors/Injectors.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
4045
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Posted - 2017.05.12 13:54:36 -
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Pohbis wrote:There's no tinfoil hattery to this.
It's been in the roadmap for years now, at least since CCP partnered with Aria Systems in 2015. Can you show us that roadmap plz?
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Salvos Rhoska
2908
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Posted - 2017.05.12 14:36:55 -
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Its a slippery slope, but no cause for concern as to towards F2P.
1) SP injectors are market controlled. No new SP is being injected, its just being moved around for isk. 2) SP extractors are introduced via IRL currency, as is PLEX. 3) NPE SP is a pittance, and buddy system is content. Its a "hidden" benefit for players that do their homework. My own first contact in EVE was with a certified buddy. I did my homework and gained the benefit, as did my buddy. 4) So far, ingame PLEX price has remained roughly constant. I was worried about this, but seems to be working ok so far. 5) Ive never liked Character Bazaar. Characters are unique in EVE, specific to the player and generate their own history as a result. SP extractors/injectors mean you can monetize the SP, rather than the character itself. Plus this supports extractor/injector cost vs PLEX cost rather than Character Bazaar over-reaching it. 6) I dont have a problem with character transfer incurring an IRL cost, albeit I do think it should cost equivalent to 1month sub as does multitraining. Unless there are administrative costs/complications involved in character transfer, I think a flat rate between 1month sub, multitraining and character transfer would be rational and pay itself off in the difference as players would be more likely to consolidate outlying characters on isolated accounts onto more primary accounts, especially in regards to PI.
There is no immediate danger or indication of EVE going F2P (free to play) or P2W (pay to win).
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
481
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Posted - 2017.05.12 19:07:51 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Can you show us that roadmap plz? Sure. Have to apply some actual non-basement logic though.
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Sister Stetille
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:02:34 -
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More changes that support my theory
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/increased-skill-injector-flexibility-coming-on-may-23rd/ |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
15859
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:14:16 -
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Oh noes, a company that is not in any way shape or form a charity wants to make money on it's insanely cheap 50 cents usd per day video game (bot only if you Omega, it's free otherwise...)!!!!
Madness I say. CCP should be working on technology that modifies it's workers to need less air, water and food so that they will need less pay and CCP can drop is exorbitant pricing down from "damn near free" to "so free we'll start sending YOU 50 cents per day if you play it" lol. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Singularity Expedition Services Singularity Syndicate
2144
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:24:46 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Oh noes, a company that is not in any way shape or form a charity wants to make money on it's insanely cheap 50 cents usd per day video game (bot only if you Omega, it's free otherwise...)!!!!
Madness I say. CCP should be working on technology that modifies it's workers to need less air, water and food so that they will need less pay and CCP can drop is exorbitant pricing down from "damn near free" to "so free we'll start sending YOU 50 cents per day if you play it" lol.
I've managed to PLEX my accounts since I paid the first sign up, so technically they are :D The only time CCP will need to review this is if it impacts player numbers. Otherwise It's up to them how they run the game.
Ultimately it's a case of play, or play not. There is no cry. |
Judaa K'Marr
Power-Hug Training Bootcamp
56
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Posted - 2017.05.19 15:41:14 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Whatever the case, the era of monument shooting possibility seems past.
It's been obvious for some time CCP intend to turn this game into some sort of Second Life in Space, and that nothing will divert them from it. It is a waste of energy to care at this point. |
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