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Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2017.05.07 10:33:14 -
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I just got owned.
http://imgur.com/a/F2tMT
Not by some smart player or my own mistake. I got owned because someone providing a high sec service went afk.
I now have a pod stuck in a citadel that has run out of fuel. I left my HG snakes there yesterday and today I can't jump back to it. This is ****** design because it basically forces every single player to drop a cloning citadel they control. There's no way for a me to find out when a citadel I have a clone in might go offline due to afk owners.
Now if the player had locked me out and asked me to pay him or just to **** me, that's fair game. He runs a service and scams me, whatever. This is not the case though and I feel it needs a change. Any ideas?
tl;dr pour one out for my HG snake set |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
681
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Posted - 2017.05.07 10:35:10 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:I just got owned. http://imgur.com/a/F2tMT Not by some smart player or my own mistake. I got owned because someone providing a high sec service went afk. I now have a pod stuck in a citadel that has run out of fuel. I left my HG snakes there yesterday and today I can't jump back to it. This is ****** design because it basically forces every single player to drop a cloning citadel they control. There's no way for a me to find out when a citadel I have a clone in might go offline due to afk owners. Now if the player had locked me out and asked me to pay him or just to **** me, that's fair game. He runs a service and scams me, whatever. This is not the case though and I feel it needs a change. Any ideas? tl;dr pour one out for my HG snake set
Works as intended.
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Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2017.05.07 10:37:27 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote: Works as intended.
That's why I'm not filing a bug report but posting about it. |
Firnen Bakru
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.07 10:40:17 -
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you should just stop being a poor and get another snake pod
just meme around saying it's already replaced |
Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2017.05.07 10:41:11 -
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Firnen Bakru wrote:you should just stop being a poor and get another snake pod just meme around saying it's already replaced
Buy me a new set or I'm never bumping for you again. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47738
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Posted - 2017.05.07 10:43:21 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:I just got owned. http://imgur.com/a/F2tMT Not by some smart player or my own mistake. I got owned because someone providing a high sec service went afk. I feel your pain; and for me, it was my own Alliance (and I'm a Director....doh).
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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1351
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Posted - 2017.05.07 10:44:54 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:I just got owned. http://imgur.com/a/F2tMT Not by some smart player or my own mistake. I got owned because someone providing a high sec service went afk. I now have a pod stuck in a citadel that has run out of fuel. I left my HG snakes there yesterday and today I can't jump back to it. This is ****** design because it basically forces every single player to drop a cloning citadel they control. There's no way for a me to find out when a citadel I have a clone in might go offline due to afk owners. Now if the player had locked me out and asked me to pay him or just to **** me, that's fair game. He runs a service and scams me, whatever. This is not the case though and I feel it needs a change. Any ideas? tl;dr pour one out for my HG snake set Works as intended. Nah, working as designed, not intended.
Like much of what CCP has done lately, this is another of those things that just wasn't thought through very well. I don't think CCP ever intended for a player leaving the game or going AFK for a long period to cause active players to lose things. They just never thought about it..
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1619
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Posted - 2017.05.07 11:07:49 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:I just got owned. http://imgur.com/a/F2tMT Not by some smart player or my own mistake. I got owned because someone providing a high sec service went afk. I now have a pod stuck in a citadel that has run out of fuel. I left my HG snakes there yesterday and today I can't jump back to it. This is ****** design because it basically forces every single player to drop a cloning citadel they control. There's no way for a me to find out when a citadel I have a clone in might go offline due to afk owners. Now if the player had locked me out and asked me to pay him or just to **** me, that's fair game. He runs a service and scams me, whatever. This is not the case though and I feel it needs a change. Any ideas? tl;dr pour one out for my HG snake set Works as intended. Nah, working as designed, not intended. Like much of what CCP has done lately, this is another of those things that just wasn't thought through very well. I don't think CCP ever intended for a player leaving the game or going AFK for a long period to cause active players to lose things. They just never thought about it.. Or they thought about it and just didn't care that moment and went down the SoonGäó road. Just like they did with so many things that are waiting years on getting fixed.
Remove standings and insurance.
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David Therman
CAStabouts
178
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Posted - 2017.05.07 11:19:57 -
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Pretty much the same problem I brought up last year; albeit not nearly as much was lost; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6568245#post6568245
It is pretty absurd though, at the very least you should be able to jump back to that clone and leave with it. I mean that's, what, 2.6+ billion isk down the drain?
I would certainly like to hear CCP's reasoning on this "feature", a quick google search yielded nothing. |
Firnen Bakru
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2017.05.07 11:28:28 -
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also I know your pain: http://i.imgur.com/QGPxpJQ.png
can use my nomads since they got deadzoned half a year ago :p |
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Dracvlad
Tactically Challenged Tactical Supremacy
3129
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Posted - 2017.05.07 11:29:46 -
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David Therman wrote:Pretty much the same problem I brought up last year; albeit not nearly as much was lost; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6568245#post6568245 It is pretty absurd though, at the very least you should be able to jump back to that clone and leave with it. I mean that's, what, 2.6+ billion isk down the drain? I would certainly like to hear CCP's reasoning on this "feature", a quick google search yielded nothing.
Ask the question on Reddit....
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3702
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Posted - 2017.05.07 11:50:45 -
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Tried contacting the owner to put in some more fuel?
... and there are still NPC stations.
But again, this happens when mechanics intended for closed group play are applied to highsec, with mostly solo or loosely coupled players. Citadels and Co. are not designed as public infrastructure.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2017.05.07 11:52:52 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Citadels and Co. are not designed as public infrastructure.
That's total bullshit. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
681
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Posted - 2017.05.07 12:17:05 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:I just got owned. http://imgur.com/a/F2tMT Not by some smart player or my own mistake. I got owned because someone providing a high sec service went afk. I now have a pod stuck in a citadel that has run out of fuel. I left my HG snakes there yesterday and today I can't jump back to it. This is ****** design because it basically forces every single player to drop a cloning citadel they control. There's no way for a me to find out when a citadel I have a clone in might go offline due to afk owners. Now if the player had locked me out and asked me to pay him or just to **** me, that's fair game. He runs a service and scams me, whatever. This is not the case though and I feel it needs a change. Any ideas? tl;dr pour one out for my HG snake set Works as intended. Nah, working as designed, not intended. Like much of what CCP has done lately, this is another of those things that just wasn't thought through very well. I don't think CCP ever intended for a player leaving the game or going AFK for a long period to cause active players to lose things. They just never thought about it..
I disagree.
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Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2017.05.07 12:19:48 -
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Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:I just got owned. http://imgur.com/a/F2tMT Not by some smart player or my own mistake. I got owned because someone providing a high sec service went afk. I now have a pod stuck in a citadel that has run out of fuel. I left my HG snakes there yesterday and today I can't jump back to it. This is ****** design because it basically forces every single player to drop a cloning citadel they control. There's no way for a me to find out when a citadel I have a clone in might go offline due to afk owners. Now if the player had locked me out and asked me to pay him or just to **** me, that's fair game. He runs a service and scams me, whatever. This is not the case though and I feel it needs a change. Any ideas? tl;dr pour one out for my HG snake set Works as intended. Nah, working as designed, not intended. Like much of what CCP has done lately, this is another of those things that just wasn't thought through very well. I don't think CCP ever intended for a player leaving the game or going AFK for a long period to cause active players to lose things. They just never thought about it.. I disagree.
What a well reasoned argument. The design is **** whether ccp thought about it or not.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1516
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Posted - 2017.05.07 12:49:21 -
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Tbh I think they DID think about it and they wanted it exactly this way to increase losses, mistakes and therefore player interactions and conflicts.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
260
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Posted - 2017.05.07 12:51:43 -
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I approve every feature that has the potential of separating people from their assets if they aren't doing their homework. It's hearthy for the economy, and healthy for the souls of the readers when a thread is made.
Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1517
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Posted - 2017.05.07 12:57:52 -
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Yebo Lakatosh wrote:I approve every feature that has the potential of separating people from their assets if they aren't doing their homework. It's hearthy for the economy, and healthy for the souls of the readers when a thread is made. "Goo"dness and Joy shall pour forth from the pods of goo as they are cracked open like Easter Eggs to be sucked dry by the childlike masses. Though many are salty some are sweet sweet nectar turned to ambrosial wine.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33105
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Posted - 2017.05.07 13:10:23 -
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Only NPC stations can guarantee accessibility to assets and supreme security. Choose NPC stations, always.
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Sir BloodArgon Aulmais
Fortis Fortuna Adiuvatt Dot Dot Dot
114
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Posted - 2017.05.07 13:36:37 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:This is ****** design because it basically forces every single player to drop a cloning citadel they control.
Pretty funny I've yet to be required to use a citadel for clones. NPC stations work just fine.
Knowing the risks of public citadels, why oh why would you keep such an expensive clone in one for a long period of time.
What, is docking at Jita4-4 too hard? |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Lost Obsession
1662
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Posted - 2017.05.07 14:08:27 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:I just got owned. http://imgur.com/a/F2tMT Not by some smart player or my own mistake. I got owned because someone providing a high sec service went afk. I now have a pod stuck in a citadel that has run out of fuel. I left my HG snakes there yesterday and today I can't jump back to it. This is ****** design because it basically forces every single player to drop a cloning citadel they control. There's no way for a me to find out when a citadel I have a clone in might go offline due to afk owners. Now if the player had locked me out and asked me to pay him or just to **** me, that's fair game. He runs a service and scams me, whatever. This is not the case though and I feel it needs a change. Any ideas? tl;dr pour one out for my HG snake set Lol =ƒÿü
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Sitting Bull Lakota
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
312
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Posted - 2017.05.07 17:45:58 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:I just got owned. http://imgur.com/a/F2tMT Not by some smart player or my own mistake. I got owned because someone providing a high sec service went afk. I now have a pod stuck in a citadel that has run out of fuel. I left my HG snakes there yesterday and today I can't jump back to it. This is ****** design because it basically forces every single player to drop a cloning citadel they control. There's no way for a me to find out when a citadel I have a clone in might go offline due to afk owners. Now if the player had locked me out and asked me to pay him or just to **** me, that's fair game. He runs a service and scams me, whatever. This is not the case though and I feel it needs a change. Any ideas? tl;dr pour one out for my HG snake set Lol =ƒÿü F
Maybe don't leave your clones in a citadel that isn't owned by a nullsec empire? They don't tend to go dark without warning. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3702
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Posted - 2017.05.07 17:49:10 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Citadels and Co. are not designed as public infrastructure. That's total bullshit. Says the person complaining about one consequence of exactly that point.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
681
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Posted - 2017.05.07 18:05:48 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Jin Kugu wrote:I just got owned. http://imgur.com/a/F2tMT Not by some smart player or my own mistake. I got owned because someone providing a high sec service went afk. I now have a pod stuck in a citadel that has run out of fuel. I left my HG snakes there yesterday and today I can't jump back to it. This is ****** design because it basically forces every single player to drop a cloning citadel they control. There's no way for a me to find out when a citadel I have a clone in might go offline due to afk owners. Now if the player had locked me out and asked me to pay him or just to **** me, that's fair game. He runs a service and scams me, whatever. This is not the case though and I feel it needs a change. Any ideas? tl;dr pour one out for my HG snake set Works as intended. Nah, working as designed, not intended. Like much of what CCP has done lately, this is another of those things that just wasn't thought through very well. I don't think CCP ever intended for a player leaving the game or going AFK for a long period to cause active players to lose things. They just never thought about it.. I disagree. What a well reasoned argument. The design is **** whether ccp thought about it or not.
I disagree.
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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
186
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Posted - 2017.05.07 18:38:21 -
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sooo... u put your expensive item inside a destroyable player owned item and now your complaining you lost it huh?
This is risk vs reward i think. Did u have any benefit of putting the clone in this citadel?
I do agree though, that ccp could arrange it that your clone is transfered to the nearest usable cloningstation. |
Jin Kugu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2017.05.07 19:03:10 -
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The design flaw is pretty obvious though.
1. Having clones in citadels has a lot of benifits 2. You have no idea when someone might go afk(ignoring the risk of getting scammed outright) 3. You are forced to only use personal clone citadels
I just dropped a personal citadel 1j from Jita and you should do it too. Bonus points if you freeport it to intensify the overview spam. |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
508
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Posted - 2017.05.07 19:08:15 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:The design flaw is pretty obvious though.
1. Having clones in citadels has a lot of benifits 2. You have no idea when someone might go afk(ignoring the risk of getting scammed outright) 3. You are forced to only use personal clone citadels
I just dropped a personal citadel 1j from Jita and you should do it too. Bonus points if you freeport it to intensify the overview spam. 1. Yes. This entices you to risk a citadel. 2. This falls under trust. Not only do you have to consider someone trying to scam you, but you also have to ask yourself, "Do I trust this guy not to go AFK and let his citadel run out of fuel?" 3. No you're not. You can use NPC stations just fine.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Obsidian Blacke
Oberon Confederation
15
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Posted - 2017.05.07 19:27:13 -
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This was obviously something CCP overlooked. A clone is an asset, and should be subject to some type of asset safety. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
681
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Posted - 2017.05.07 19:40:00 -
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Obsidian Blacke wrote:This was obviously something CCP overlooked. A clone is an asset, and should be subject to some type of asset safety.
Obviously not. A clone is not an "asset". You can neither transport or sell/buy it. OP was dumb to leave a clone in a place out of her control and now blames CCP for it.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
681
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Posted - 2017.05.07 19:41:45 -
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Jin Kugu wrote:The design flaw is pretty obvious though.
1. Having clones in citadels has a lot of benifits 2. You have no idea when someone might go afk(ignoring the risk of getting scammed outright) 3. You are forced to only use personal clone citadels
I just dropped a personal citadel 1j from Jita and you should do it too. Bonus points if you freeport it to intensify the overview spam.
You making a dumb mistake doesnt make this a design fault.
1. Indeed. 2. Indeed, so how do you deal with such a situation? 3. Nonsense! |
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