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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2017.05.05 16:00:44 -
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From the patchnotes for 2017-05-09: https://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-119.5-release/
Is this going to be a temporary thing, CCP, or will this be permanent? This is no small game-changer for people using the Character Bazaar.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2017.05.05 16:33:08 -
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This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.
The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen.
Hope this answers your question
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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Cristl
614
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Posted - 2017.05.05 16:47:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question Well, his question was basically: "Is this a temporary or permanent change?".
So I'm going to have to suggest that, no, you haven't answered it :patronising-smiley-here:
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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
1243
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Posted - 2017.05.05 16:50:41 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
Why was this announced only a couple of days in advance? If this is not something CCP wants to change but is something they have to change due to technical limitations, wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that a notice in advance would be appropriate?
Spaceprincess
People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
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Minty Aroma
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:04:21 -
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Seeing as this is such an enormous change that has come straight out of the blue with little warning when people have multiple accounts training up to sell their characters on, some of which for many months, would it not be worth keeping the current PLEX in game too costing 500 nuPLEX to allow character transfers?
At least until this issue is fixed - many people rely on PLEX to exchange trained characters as they cannot afford real money transfer fees. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1502
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:08:35 -
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Honestly CCP that is not cool. I dont transfer toons around much but not giving that plex option isnt a smart move imo.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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StepSister
Kontained Chaos Blades of Grass
2
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:09:38 -
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TL:DR surely ccp your time would be best served fixing the broken citadel mechanics than trying to change more of the minor things about eve.but i guess if its more important to you to change some thing that has worked perfectly all these years then you go waste your time on it. ....was this one of fozzies ideas..
had to ask!! |
Minty Aroma
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:13:36 -
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StepSister wrote:TL:DR surely ccp your time would be best served fixing the broken citadel mechanics than trying to change more of the minor things about eve.but i guess if its more important to you to change some thing that has worked perfectly all these years then you go waste your time on it. ....was this one of fozzies ideas..
had to ask!!
Chances are this was marketing, not a developer's idea as it's a way to gain more from micro-transactions. |
Niraia
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
527
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:15:42 -
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lol
GÖÑ
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Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
318
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:16:08 -
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I thought April was last month? This has be a joke right? Feel bad for the character bazaar sellers right now. This surely is a soon to be drama filled thread. |
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32684
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:22:02 -
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Nobody asked for this.
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Johnathan Severasse
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society Solyaris Chtonium
95
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:36:52 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
I really do not feel like this is a good answer. It is neither a no or a yes. This is a yes or no question. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1204
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:41:10 -
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lanyaie wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question Why was this announced only a couple of days in advance? If this is not something CCP wants to change but is something they have to change due to technical limitations, wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that a notice in advance would be appropriate?
Can't really say I blame them. Look at how unreasonable people usually are around here. They probably figured people are gonna ***** no matter what they say or how well they try to explain what went wrong. Either that or they figured most of us are not making character transfers left, right, and center all that often enough for a few days notice to not be fair enough.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32684
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:42:32 -
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So character tranfesrs wil be now free?
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
844
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:42:50 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question I've held off on replying until now because I didn't think I would be able to remain civil enough, but I believe I can do so now.
Honestly, this feels like another of the half-baked changes that get put out, with a promise of fixing it at some undetermined point in the future, but with said point being (frequently) literal years away.
Losing the ability to pay for character transfers with PLEX is a significant change. It may only affect a small subset of the EVE population, but for that subset, this is basically a "game-ending" change. I'm not trying to imply that I expect people to quit over this, but rather than it basically removes that form of gameplay from the game.
It is, admittedly, just a small subset of the population who use it, but over the last few years, it seems that these are the changes we've been receiving: small changes that have severe negative impacts on small subsets of the population, frequently ending or nearly ending that particular style of play. Each individual change may only affect a small number of people on its own, but collectively, these changes are adding up, and a larger portion of the playerbase is being affected.
I may not be an active user of the Character Bazaar, only ever using the transfer system to move characters around on my own accounts (which are pretty much how I want them now), but I'm looking at this in light of Martin Niemoller's "First they came for..." poem, and I'll add my voice to any call to reimplement this feature.
I'm going to urge you, CCP, to please make it a priority to get this functionality back into the game as soon as possible. It may only affect a small subset of players, but each time a change comes through that removes a small part of the game, the subset of players affected grows.
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Kinga Artrald
Radioactive Industry Division
2
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:47:51 -
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This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead? |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
559
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:59:33 -
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Kinga Artrald wrote:This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead?
20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
2957
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:06:56 -
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that seems like a pretty big woopsie
selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141
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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
1243
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:15:59 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Kinga Artrald wrote:This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead? 20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP
Except https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/69fjeq/plex_can_no_longer_be_used_for_character_transfer/dh6c5a7/?context=3
I already explained it there. Paying cash for character transfers is going to be uncommon, and even it it is common - it means money into their wallet. Plex is already in the economy, when you use it for a character transfer, you're simply removing the plex from the eve economy.
Spaceprincess
People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10947
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:16:15 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. That's what you are going with? Seriously?
"We broke it and so we're just not going to tell you."
So lame.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Dreamer Targaryen
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:16:31 -
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Wow, so it's now "have a credit card or get ******" if you want to transfer a character. That's pretty disappointing. |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
113
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:17:51 -
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I'm a bit uneducated when it comes to character transfers.
How big a hit in terms of isk would this be to those building up characters to sell in comparison to say... using skill extractors to strip those same characters down and selling the injectors?
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
677
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:22:24 -
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Skill injectors. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10947
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:24:23 -
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Scialt wrote:I'm a bit uneducated when it comes to character transfers.
How big a hit in terms of isk would this be to those building up characters to sell in comparison to say... using skill extractors to strip those same characters down and selling the injectors?
It's not that. It's that people will be less likely to use the service if the only way to do it is with real money rather than pretend money.
Plus it's one of the few decent sinks left in the game. My guess is we're going to see a drop in PLEX prices. Starting as soon as this new thing becomes more well known.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1610
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:29:59 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question No beer for CCP Falcon until this gets solved .
Remove standings and insurance.
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach.
632
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:32:32 -
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WTF, this is real ****** work CCP. There are loads of ppl that use plex to pay for char transfer and u basicly put a massive stick up their asses without even taking the time to lube up first.
GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32686
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:46:27 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:WTF, this is real ****** work CCP. There are loads of ppl that use plex to pay for char transfer and u basicly put a massive stick up their asses without even taking the time to lube up first. Subtle. =ƒÿÄ=ƒæî
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ISD Max Trix
isd community communications liaisons
1780
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:59:57 -
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Quote: 8. Use of profanity is prohibited.
The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter.
Removed post for the above reason.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Dreamer Targaryen
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:03:36 -
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ISD Max at work...
Again: This will penetrate the rectum of the people who don't own a VISA or MasterCard, since they will be unable to use the character-transfer-service after the patch. Disappointing change to say the least. |
Lothros Andastar
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:10:35 -
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Legacy Code strikes again. How about you fix this issue BEFORE forcing a change no-one wanted on everyone? |
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach.
634
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:12:21 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Quote: 8. Use of profanity is prohibited.
The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter. Removed post for the above reason.
Name one way i tried to mask or bypass the profanity filter????? That the filter is rubbish isnt my fault, nor did i try to write anything that should be affected by the filter. This game is rated for teens, and im pretty damn sure they all know what part of the body you sit on, and have seen the word written many times (unless your american, in which case im sorry to have offended you)
GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
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Daide Vondrichnov
SnaiLs aNd FroGs WE FORM V0LTA
59
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:12:50 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Quote: 8. Use of profanity is prohibited.
The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter. Removed post for the above reason.
Fckin' nazi. |
ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach.
634
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:16:14 -
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No bloody wonder that even the devs posts more on reddit then here. Who would have actually though the original forums would ever become worse then the (the stuff that comes out of the part of the body you sit on) that reddit actually is.
GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
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Tetsel
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
318
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:18:40 -
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EA it's in the game.
Somebody just messed up about the futur unannounced PLEX change.
No more toon xfert soonGäó please use extractor/injector instead. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Greed is Good was from 2011, 6 years later we are getting closer and closer.
WTB premium ammo
Loyal servent to Mother Amamake.
@EVE_Tetsel
Another Bittervet Please Ignore
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
583
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:22:27 -
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#makecharactertransfersfree until it is fixed. |
ISD Max Trix
isd community communications liaisons
1781
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:29:47 -
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Quote: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
Posts removed for the above reason.
Edit: Further post removed.
Quote: 31. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties.
Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5818
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:53:54 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
"Sorry guys looks like we accidentally your ability to transfer characters even if you don't have 20$/Gé¼ in your credit card".
It's funny because I planned to transfer this character before the new forums strike and wanted to do so using the PLEXes I have laying around my accounts... but now I'll need to consider rushing that process or be forced to give CCP even more money...
!!CCP!!, always !!CCP!! |
Circumstantial Evidence
412
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:54:12 -
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ccpls fix.
(Satisfied customer of PLEX for character transfer.) |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
5818
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:54:58 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Nobody asked for this.
You don't ask for !!CCP!!. It just happens. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2898
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:06:55 -
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How to trash a great track record since the monocle turd festival in one greedy money grab.
Though seriously, after what they did with the Rorquals I'm stunned any of you are shocked, CCP is going to start milking its players like never before, they literally hired a person specifically who had a ton of experience in that.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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jack1974
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
211
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:11:10 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
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Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1761
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:16:02 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works.
A problem for the ages, is it? Beyond the wit of man to solve?
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March rabbit
Mosquito squadron The-Culture
2165
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:18:46 -
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LoL... Who woulda thunk?
CCP style of changes
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Don Peyote
Zero Fun Allowed skill urself
26
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:22:35 -
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Unfortunately, some of you won't be able to sell any characters you may have been training without swiping your credit card, but all is not lost! Why not to take advantage of our generous offers on Skill ExtractorsGäó? Wouldn't want all that training time and SP going to waste, would you?
And to all those of you planning to purchase characters that will be affected, don't worry! You can still purchase Skill InjectorsGäó on the market to give your charactersGäó a boost with a few clicks of a button!
(meanwhile there is still no golden Armour cosmetic nor a golden crown. wtf) |
ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach.
634
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:23:48 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Quote: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category. Posts removed for the above reason. Edit: Further post removed. Quote: 31. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties.
Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.
javascript:if (typeof posting=='undefined'||posting!=true) {posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');} Really, so if you guys remove posts for no good reason then we have nothing to say, were do we complain? Will this one be removed for discussion of the rules as well?
And do you guys really want us all to file tickets when we feel a post has been removed for no good reason? Cause that could really open up the floodgates. Even the ISD should have the ability to use their heads and understand why things are posted here rather then removing every single post they find the slighest big offensive.
GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
113
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:27:11 -
[46] - Quote
So nobody really answered me. Is the profit to be made from transferring a character isk wise greater than draining that character with extractors and selling the injectors?
Not making a statement here... I'm asking if this is really a big isk-loss for people doing this for profit... or is it just a problem for those who want to transfer characters between their own accounts after training specific things? |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1614
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:44:15 -
[47] - Quote
It can be found on eve-search.com. For posterity. In all it's glory.
Remove standings and insurance.
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach.
634
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:46:31 -
[48] - Quote
Mara Pahrdi wrote:It can be found on eve-search.com. For posterity. In all it's glory. I know This change was just so dumb that it actually got me in a pretty bad forum mood, which is pretty impressive since i for the most part couldnt give a flying F about the game
GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
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Svara Eir
Hotline K162 The Clown Car
31
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:53:39 -
[49] - Quote
I understand at least the idea of the need to kill the Character Bazaar, but my concern with this announcement lies in how it is a significant and direct change to the value of a subscription and the ownership model a player/user/customer has over their characters.
Maybe what is being overlooked here is that the latter is being sacrificed in service of the former, when it does not have to be.
Here is an example: One convenient way to train alts / new characters is to pack them into an account you already use on a regular basis, and then ship that character out to its own account when they're "ready" or when the time and need arise, especially given the restriction of one character per account logged in at any given time. Another example: Maybe I just want to reorganise my accounts.
You "fully own" these (I'm aware of how the EULA works, here I'm just trying to explain a point) insofar as you can freely transfer them by spending a premium currency / subscription item: PLEX. You might also already own all the PLEX you would ever need in order to transfer all the characters you would ever need. You might even have paid cash for said PLEX, only to be told now, with four days' notice, "pay it again". (Again, here I am just scenario-building in order to illustrate the differences in ownership, and lost value on subscription purchases that this change, a bit ignorantly, creates.)
If you're into morbid humour, contrast this with the Aurum announcement, which gives months' notice to players on a premium currency "partial" balance used for cosmetics (a lot of which was given to players for free). Months' notice for cosmetics/freebies, and four days' notice for subscription/account-related matters. These are account structures that people have been allowed to build for years (me: only ~2, but others: 5, 10, up to 14).
If CCP is dead-set on wanting to kill a system they offer a competing service for, or hoping to tailor the balance sheets in a certain way (and to whatever end), I'm not really apt to comment on that.
However, it doesn't need to happen in a way that punishes people who are just trying to reorganise their own characters. If ownership across multiple accounts can be validated (same email for x days? payment method?) to prevent loopholing, that is how CCP could do that.
Setting aside the Bazaar in itself, this change is currently too unreasonable and damaging for players who are just trying to move characters between their own accounts. They should be able to continue to do that with PLEX, or at the very least CCP needs to postpone this change because a four days' heads up is laughably garbage. |
Krota Merga
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2017.05.05 20:53:54 -
[50] - Quote
So big crash of injector price? Feel sorry, farmers |
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Sarah Flynt
Flynt Enterprises Silent Infinity
291
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Posted - 2017.05.05 21:06:26 -
[51] - Quote
Lothros Andastar wrote:How about you fix this issue BEFORE forcing a change no-one wanted on everyone? Nah, that would set a dangerous precedent.
Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
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Defecanda
Ice Mining Boys Requiem Eternal
51
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Posted - 2017.05.05 21:09:36 -
[52] - Quote
Large popcorn wasn't enough. I just got a 44oz slurpy and some M&M's
[i][b]CCP Zulu.....-á-á-á-á-á
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.-á[/b](i like to steal sigs)[/i]
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Hallvardr
101
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Posted - 2017.05.05 21:10:09 -
[53] - Quote
redacted - there did it for you. |
Djsaeu
Xx-illuminati-xX
60
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Posted - 2017.05.05 21:10:14 -
[54] - Quote
Now this is what happens when you try to fix something that is not broken.
As my grandfather used to say, " Get it right the first time, that way you do not have to do it again. " |
Harreeb Alls
FRIGIDE
28
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Posted - 2017.05.05 21:20:40 -
[55] - Quote
Make new item "Transfer Token", costs 1000 new plex. Transfer System thinks this item is 2 old plex. I'm willing to bet you have really smart people who could make this a thing in a few hours. |
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1189
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Posted - 2017.05.05 22:04:52 -
[56] - Quote
Quote:technical limitation new
lol
You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear
Because >>I is too hard
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Ella Foreman
Ze DoucheWaffe
4
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Posted - 2017.05.05 22:09:21 -
[57] - Quote
Marketing. Plain and simple. We will never be able to transfer characters with anything other than real money ever again.
Thats the reason nobody bothered to mention this change earlier. |
ISD Max Trix
isd community communications liaisons
1782
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Posted - 2017.05.05 22:26:09 -
[58] - Quote
ArmyOfMe wrote:ISD Max Trix wrote:Quote: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category. Posts removed for the above reason. Edit: Further post removed. Quote: 31. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties.
Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.
javascript:if (typeof posting=='undefined'||posting!=true) {posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');} Really, so if you guys remove posts for no good reason then we have nothing to say, were do we complain? Will this one be removed for discussion of the rules as well? And do you guys really want us all to file tickets when we feel a post has been removed for no good reason? Cause that could really open up the floodgates. Even the ISD should have the ability to use their heads and understand why things are posted here rather then removing every single post they find the slighest big offensive.
Please file a ticket https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
227
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Posted - 2017.05.05 23:21:21 -
[59] - Quote
what about lawsuit agaist ccp for this self-destructive change? we will never transfer characters again unless we spend credit cards,what with people who spent their credit card for plex? |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore
1255
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Posted - 2017.05.05 23:26:46 -
[60] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
Remember a year or two ago when I said "this is how you kill your game" to skill injectors? I was feeling kinda wrong the past few months, but this here just brought back that cloud of doom and gloom.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
336
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Posted - 2017.05.06 00:06:34 -
[61] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
nope do not think it answers his question. Think you better find a timeline for it Falcon. I dont use the charactar bazaar myself but i am sure there are many that do and this is probably going to come pretty close to destroying it and any other aspect of character trading the longer such a thing remains so.
and if it goes on long enough that way, what you will have done in the far future is open the door for RMT of characters and accounts wholsale......and the best way for that, is a face to face with other eve players, seen it already happen that way a half a dozen times in the military a few yrs back. |
Jason Galente
Tempest Legion
1113
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Posted - 2017.05.06 00:53:36 -
[62] - Quote
How exactly did CCP come to this decision? You're going to remove a crucial feature facilitating a major part of the game (character transfers) because your PLEX change that nobody was particularly enthusiastic about, broke it?
Why not just wait on the PLEX change until you aren't breaking things with it? Considering that the change isn't even that demanded/popular?
Way to make your player base anxious for no particular reason..
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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ALUCARD 1208
The Institution of Death
453
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Posted - 2017.05.06 01:16:24 -
[63] - Quote
"GREED IS GOOD"
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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Mostlyharmlesss
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
286
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Posted - 2017.05.06 02:00:39 -
[64] - Quote
Holy ****, talking about dropping the ball.
Follow me on Twitter for the latest regarding GoonSwarm Federation and our recruitment drives!
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Aria Jimbojohnson
University of Caille Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2017.05.06 03:04:35 -
[65] - Quote
This is completely unacceptable, CCP. Not only did nobody want this money grubbing F2P wanna be PLEX change, but now its breaking important things. With absolutely no warning at that. I'm starting to think you guys want EVE to just end so you can focus 100% on the VR fad. |
JuckFames 315
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.05.06 03:14:45 -
[66] - Quote
Ok lets cut to the chase here how many have you even pay for your account or spend any RL money on the game? If no then please shut up you are not allowed to have an opinion because companies can not and will not be able to support a game where the majority of the player base do not make a monetary contribution. Stuff doesn't just run for free. If people wish for it to continue to be free for all to play and not spend any type of money on the game 1 of 2 things will happen the game ceases to exist or it becomes an AD driven game like every other Facebook or mobile game.
It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. If you asked me the only thing in game currency should be able buy would be anything made and/or produced in game period and that there also should be a cap on total currency/storage allowed on alpha accounts. Yes the player base may drop at first but it will weed out anyone who plays this game for making a profit off of it and allow people who actually enjoy playing the game to keep playing.
CCP you have one heck of a great game with lots of different aspects to take part in at any given time. And yes there are few bugs here and there heck even the big AAA title games have problems but those guys just milk people for money on rehashed garbage while you guys work to improve a single game that has existed for this long. I will continue to pay my sub for my accounts with RL money WHY because this game offers so many options for just 1 person to be active in and I know that money will be used to help improve the game and its many adventures in space a person could have.
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hezie99
OZONED The-Culture
7
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Posted - 2017.05.06 03:23:53 -
[67] - Quote
another amazing change by CCP *gg* |
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
855
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Posted - 2017.05.06 03:31:36 -
[68] - Quote
JuckFames 315 wrote: ignorance Considering your character's name, I can't help but see you as a troll trying to goad people into arguing with you over something you already know.
For the Newbies: The 8 Golden Rules - The Magic 14 Skills - Finding the Right Corp - EVE University Wiki
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10957
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Posted - 2017.05.06 03:54:54 -
[69] - Quote
JuckFames 315 wrote: Ok lets cut to the chase here how many have you even pay for your account or spend any RL money on the game? All of us, of course. It's just that some of us let other people spend the cash for us. But every acct is paid for with cold hard cash.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Kveggende
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2017.05.06 05:25:44 -
[70] - Quote
I think this changes nothing really:
Want to buy new alt with ISK -> create one yourself and inject sp Dont need old alt and want to sell -> extract and sell injectors
There is probably less than 5 players with massive scale character trading scheme who are actually affected by this. But they can extract too. So nothing is really lost, right? After this change maybe only god-tier characters are sold in bazaar. Rest just inject or extract.
I dont see any problem with this change. |
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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
998
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Posted - 2017.05.06 05:35:34 -
[71] - Quote
Aanndd the trolls have arrived.
Bad move CCP. Hold back the release until this is fixed. |
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2791
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Posted - 2017.05.06 06:09:08 -
[72] - Quote
Less pay to win is good. Sucked in to the character farmers.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Thrash Trash
Ninth Circle Federation Solyaris Chtonium
3
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Posted - 2017.05.06 07:14:10 -
[73] - Quote
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Kinga Artrald wrote:This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead? 20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP
youre dumb and should go be so somewhere else. CCP makes no money off people who grind in game and then return jita plex to redeeming system for transfers. This is really sneaky on CCP's part and harkens back to the "greed is good" CCP of not so old..... |
Thrash Trash
Ninth Circle Federation Solyaris Chtonium
3
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Posted - 2017.05.06 07:16:07 -
[74] - Quote
JuckFames 315 wrote: Ok lets cut to the chase here how many have you even pay for your account or spend any RL money on the game? If no then please shut up you are not allowed to have an opinion because companies can not and will not be able to support a game where the majority of the player base do not make a monetary contribution. Stuff doesn't just run for free. If people wish for it to continue to be free for all to play and not spend any type of money on the game 1 of 2 things will happen the game ceases to exist or it becomes an AD driven game like every other Facebook or mobile game. It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. If you asked me the only thing in game currency should be able buy would be anything made and/or produced in game period and that there also should be a cap on total currency/storage allowed on alpha accounts. Yes the player base may drop at first but it will weed out anyone who plays this game for making a profit off of it and allow people who actually enjoy playing the game to keep playing. CCP you have one heck of a great game with lots of different aspects to take part in at any given time. And yes there are few bugs here and there heck even the big AAA title games have problems but those guys just milk people for money on rehashed garbage while you guys work to improve a single game that has existed for this long. I will continue to pay my sub for my accounts with RL money WHY because this game offers so many options for just 1 person to be active in and I know that money will be used to help improve the game and its many adventures in space a person could have. The big issue here isnt that the option to use plex is going away, its that they gave next to no notice. People are now stuck with characters until they can come up with $20 IRL for an internet spaceships game. Bad show old sport, bad show.... |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1617
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Posted - 2017.05.06 08:15:02 -
[75] - Quote
JuckFames 315 wrote:It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. Ignorance?
The only way to pay a character transfer is now a credit card. I don't own one. Not because I cannot afford it, but because I don't need it. There has not been a single case in the last 19 years where I couldn't pay by other (better) means. Before I finally got rid of my credit card in 1998, I hadn't used it once in 5 years.
So this is the first situation in those 19 years where I require a credit card. This is not ignorance on the players side, this is ignorance and failure on the side of CCP.
Remove standings and insurance.
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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1839
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Posted - 2017.05.06 08:34:57 -
[76] - Quote
This means, low SP chars will be transfered less and chars with higher SPs can be transfered more profitable.
Learn to negotiate and add ISK worth of 4 PLEX to the price. 4 PLEX for 20 $ is a great deal for me :) |
Magnus Jax
23
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Posted - 2017.05.06 09:03:08 -
[77] - Quote
Thrash Trash wrote:youre dumb and should go be so somewhere else. CCP makes no money off people who grind in game and then return jita plex to redeeming system for transfers. This is really sneaky on CCP's part and harkens back to the "greed is good" CCP of not so old.....
Uhhm, on the off chance that you're not trolling (like troll clown 315 above), you DO realise that for someone to make use of a plex that he bought with ingame iskies that plex has to first be bought by someone else,right? Who paid RL money to get it, right?
One can't be that fcking ******** and not understand this, especially not when berating someone else for being dumb on this very subject. |
Noctune Prime
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2017.05.06 09:17:07 -
[78] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
Have you learned nothing in 6 years?
It's really bad treating your customers this way.
1. Short notice on a mechanic that have been used for several years
2. Bad answer. Please tell me how the technical limitations prevent you from taking 500*2 MiniPlex as a cost? The code is already written (old code) you just have to add *500 in the correct line. And change item_id from old to new plex.
It feels like your taking a dump on ppl working character bazaar without giving them prior notice.
Character transfer for Gé¼ is not the same as before you could deal with it inside eve economic.
I am very disappointed at you CCP |
Fancy Candy
Good Names All Gone
1
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Posted - 2017.05.06 09:31:18 -
[79] - Quote
Depending on which way CCP has implemented the new "Mini Plex".
If they gave it a new Item-ID which is not able to be used via the redeemsystem for char transfer.
Why not make, in the meantime, a "non tradeable" item with the old Plex ID which can be redeemd and connects to the "right port" which were used for the transfer.
If it still uses the old Item-ID then a simple "script" via redeemsystem and a new right click option in plex vault "Redeem to character trade use" could fix that too.
sure we cant know how CCP system exactly connects Plex to "out of game" but normaly there is always a pattern of behaviour when programming :) |
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc Yulai Federation
69
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Posted - 2017.05.06 09:33:48 -
[80] - Quote
They're trying to make the business as profitable as possible before they sell it. |
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Kuga
Back Door Burglars Wings Wanderers
45
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Posted - 2017.05.06 10:28:17 -
[81] - Quote
This is an intended change which has come from management.
CCP dev's have been told to play it off as a 'technical limitation'. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
678
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Posted - 2017.05.06 10:40:03 -
[82] - Quote
Mara Pahrdi wrote:JuckFames 315 wrote:It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. Ignorance? The only way to pay a character transfer is now a credit card. I don't own one. Not because I cannot afford it, but because I don't need it. There has not been a single case in the last 19 years where I couldn't pay by other (better) means. Before I finally got rid of my credit card in 1998, I hadn't used it once in 5 years. So this is the first situation in those 19 years where I require a credit card. This is not ignorance on the players side, this is ignorance and failure on the side of CCP.
Use PayPal ...
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
590
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Posted - 2017.05.06 10:41:42 -
[83] - Quote
JuckFames 315 wrote: Ok lets cut to the chase here how many have you even pay for your account or spend any RL money on the game? If no then please shut up you are not allowed to have an opinion because companies can not and will not be able to support a game where the majority of the player base do not make a monetary contribution.
PLEX is $. Or at least they are tokens that represent $ that has been paid, and the PLEX is used to apply that $ to garner service from CCP. So enough with you and your hoity-toity elitist superiority complex. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3567
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Posted - 2017.05.06 10:58:24 -
[84] - Quote
CCP, doing things one step at a time, often in the wrong direction.
This is not a signature.
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Radical Posture
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2017.05.06 11:02:53 -
[85] - Quote
This is easy to fix.. Just change it to the buyer pays 20 bucks for the transfer. There that was easy. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1618
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Posted - 2017.05.06 11:54:13 -
[86] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:JuckFames 315 wrote:It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. Ignorance? The only way to pay a character transfer is now a credit card. I don't own one. Not because I cannot afford it, but because I don't need it. There has not been a single case in the last 19 years where I couldn't pay by other (better) means. Before I finally got rid of my credit card in 1998, I hadn't used it once in 5 years. So this is the first situation in those 19 years where I require a credit card. This is not ignorance on the players side, this is ignorance and failure on the side of CCP. Use PayPal ... Paypal is no longer available for character transfers. Hasn't been in years.
Remove standings and insurance.
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach.
634
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Posted - 2017.05.06 13:48:11 -
[87] - Quote
Magnus Jax wrote:Thrash Trash wrote:youre dumb and should go be so somewhere else. CCP makes no money off people who grind in game and then return jita plex to redeeming system for transfers. This is really sneaky on CCP's part and harkens back to the "greed is good" CCP of not so old..... Uhhm, on the off chance that you're not trolling (like troll clown 315 above), you DO realise that for someone to make use of a plex that he bought with ingame iskies that plex has to first be bought by someone else,right? Who paid RL money to get it, right? One can't be that fcking ******** and not understand this, especially not when berating someone else for being dumb on this very subject. Never underestimate human stupidity, especially among some of the eve players.
GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
679
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Posted - 2017.05.06 14:10:43 -
[88] - Quote
Mara Pahrdi wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:JuckFames 315 wrote:It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. Ignorance? The only way to pay a character transfer is now a credit card. I don't own one. Not because I cannot afford it, but because I don't need it. There has not been a single case in the last 19 years where I couldn't pay by other (better) means. Before I finally got rid of my credit card in 1998, I hadn't used it once in 5 years. So this is the first situation in those 19 years where I require a credit card. This is not ignorance on the players side, this is ignorance and failure on the side of CCP. Use PayPal ... Paypal is no longer available for character transfers. Hasn't been in years.
I stand corrected, you can not indeed, which is quite silly.
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Father Manlove
Sheep Can Hear A Zipper From A Mile Away
14
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Posted - 2017.05.06 17:10:37 -
[89] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:JuckFames 315 wrote:It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. Ignorance? The only way to pay a character transfer is now a credit card. I don't own one. Not because I cannot afford it, but because I don't need it. There has not been a single case in the last 19 years where I couldn't pay by other (better) means. Before I finally got rid of my credit card in 1998, I hadn't used it once in 5 years. So this is the first situation in those 19 years where I require a credit card. This is not ignorance on the players side, this is ignorance and failure on the side of CCP. Use PayPal ... Paypal is no longer available for character transfers. Hasn't been in years. I stand corrected, you can not indeed, which is quite silly.
The most pathetically hilarious part? When PayPal for transfers was taken away, they said they'd look into getting it re-added in the future, pretty much the same crap they've said here. It's been what now, 5 years? |
Mister Tuggles
Faceless Men
123
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Posted - 2017.05.06 17:37:45 -
[90] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
I wonder how many subscription losses this comment has cost CCP. |
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
32772
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Posted - 2017.05.06 19:31:32 -
[91] - Quote
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:JuckFames 315 wrote:It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. Ignorance? The only way to pay a character transfer is now a credit card. I don't own one. Not because I cannot afford it, but because I don't need it. There has not been a single case in the last 19 years where I couldn't pay by other (better) means. Before I finally got rid of my credit card in 1998, I hadn't used it once in 5 years. So this is the first situation in those 19 years where I require a credit card. This is not ignorance on the players side, this is ignorance and failure on the side of CCP. Use PayPal ... Paypal is no longer available for character transfers. Hasn't been in years. I stand corrected, you can not indeed, which is quite silly. CCP is silly.
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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1839
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Posted - 2017.05.06 19:32:41 -
[92] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
I have transfered around 170 chars till that day. This are 3400 $ I have NOT payed for this game, and to be honest, I would never ever do that.
Account subsciption is one thing, but why should I pay additional real money for something related with the game?
I am afraid, but I doubt, that I will keep subscribing my 43 accounts. Why? Cause I cannot afford it anymore... the char bazaar is dead.
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
865
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Posted - 2017.05.06 20:25:01 -
[93] - Quote
Father Manlove wrote: The most pathetically hilarious part? When PayPal for transfers was taken away, they said they'd look into getting it re-added in the future, pretty much the same crap they've said here. It's been what now, 5 years?
Just a few months shy of 5 years, yup.
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Defecanda
Ice Mining Boys Requiem Eternal
55
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Posted - 2017.05.07 19:46:06 -
[94] - Quote
Thread is dying, Eve dead yet?
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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1840
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Posted - 2017.05.07 19:50:08 -
[95] - Quote
Nope, only the char bazaar is dead - from now on :) |
Krota Merga
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2017.05.08 03:15:32 -
[96] - Quote
So new scam plan invented by CCP. Post char for sale in bazar, find buyer, then seller 'suddenly' realizes that he needs 20$ for transfer, but he does not have it. Seller kindly asks buyer send him money by Paypal or bank transfer with promise to reduce price for 2.5B. Buyer sends money ...... |
HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1841
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Posted - 2017.05.08 06:39:12 -
[97] - Quote
Krota Merga wrote:So new scam plan invented by CCP. Post char for sale in bazar, find buyer, then seller 'suddenly' realizes that he needs 20$ for transfer, but he does not have it. Seller kindly asks buyer send him money by Paypal or bank transfer with promise to reduce price for 2.5B. Buyer sends money ......
This idea is that "simple" or "stupid" that more than one player will be scammed :) I will order some popcorn.... |
BSchneider
Bank Of Zion Circle-Of-Two
7
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Posted - 2017.05.08 07:42:32 -
[98] - Quote
JuckFames 315 wrote: Ok lets cut to the chase here how many have you even pay for your account or spend any RL money on the game? If no then please shut up you are not allowed to have an opinion because companies can not and will not be able to support a game where the majority of the player base do not make a monetary contribution. Stuff doesn't just run for free. If people wish for it to continue to be free for all to play and not spend any type of money on the game 1 of 2 things will happen the game ceases to exist or it becomes an AD driven game like every other Facebook or mobile game. It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. If you asked me the only thing in game currency should be able buy would be anything made and/or produced in game period and that there also should be a cap on total currency/storage allowed on alpha accounts. Yes the player base may drop at first but it will weed out anyone who plays this game for making a profit off of it and allow people who actually enjoy playing the game to keep playing. CCP you have one heck of a great game with lots of different aspects to take part in at any given time. And yes there are few bugs here and there heck even the big AAA title games have problems but those guys just milk people for money on rehashed garbage while you guys work to improve a single game that has existed for this long. I will continue to pay my sub for my accounts with RL money WHY because this game offers so many options for just 1 person to be active in and I know that money will be used to help improve the game and its many adventures in space a person could have.
I completely agree - well said pilot o7 |
Korvin
Shadow Kingdom Best Alliance
607
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Posted - 2017.05.08 13:42:03 -
[99] - Quote
Just upgrade your PC for future expansions like this. http://degree1978.narod.ru/ss/2017-05-08_1632.png
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Tiirz
Charlies' Point
6
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Posted - 2017.05.08 16:12:18 -
[100] - Quote
"Trchnical limitation" is a cope out answer and you know it ccp. Really what you're saying is "we were too lazy to add this feature, and realized we could milk money out of it so we'll pretend we might fix it but we won't. " Starting down this path is NOT were you want to take eve, and I highly suggest for the health of this game you actually put forth effort to fix this so called problem immediately. |
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VallyInDaClub
The Nexus 7's Solyaris Chtonium
4
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Posted - 2017.05.08 17:13:08 -
[101] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question
That is such a crap answer. Seriously, be honest and just say "No we found a way to make money" rather than spewing that guff
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VallyInDaClub
The Nexus 7's Solyaris Chtonium
4
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Posted - 2017.05.08 17:14:59 -
[102] - Quote
JuckFames 315 wrote: Ok lets cut to the chase here how many have you even pay for your account or spend any RL money on the game? If no then please shut up you are not allowed to have an opinion because companies can not and will not be able to support a game where the majority of the player base do not make a monetary contribution. Stuff doesn't just run for free. If people wish for it to continue to be free for all to play and not spend any type of money on the game 1 of 2 things will happen the game ceases to exist or it becomes an AD driven game like every other Facebook or mobile game. It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. If you asked me the only thing in game currency should be able buy would be anything made and/or produced in game period and that there also should be a cap on total currency/storage allowed on alpha accounts. Yes the player base may drop at first but it will weed out anyone who plays this game for making a profit off of it and allow people who actually enjoy playing the game to keep playing. CCP you have one heck of a great game with lots of different aspects to take part in at any given time. And yes there are few bugs here and there heck even the big AAA title games have problems but those guys just milk people for money on rehashed garbage while you guys work to improve a single game that has existed for this long. I will continue to pay my sub for my accounts with RL money WHY because this game offers so many options for just 1 person to be active in and I know that money will be used to help improve the game and its many adventures in space a person could have.
That would be fine and dandy if it wasn't for the complete nonsense reply of "We're not committing to a timeline but we intend to fix it" If it weren't for the guff you wouldn't have the huff. |
Zanthar Eos
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
5
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Posted - 2017.05.08 17:16:28 -
[103] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question Can we seriously just stop with putting out these half baked systems? There was nothing at all wrong with the current plex system, and replacing it with a incomplete one tends to not be a very smart or popular option. |
David Gradivus
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2017.05.08 17:30:36 -
[104] - Quote
Surely you guys can figure out a way to not remove PLEX as an option. Maybe not ******* change PLEX when it doesn't need to be changed? |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Lost Obsession
1662
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Posted - 2017.05.08 18:18:24 -
[105] - Quote
Why so late.? Was expecting that for years.
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Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2017.05.08 18:23:47 -
[106] - Quote
BSchneider wrote:JuckFames 315 wrote: Ok lets cut to the chase here how many have you even pay for your account or spend any RL money on the game? If no then please shut up you are not allowed to have an opinion because companies can not and will not be able to support a game where the majority of the player base do not make a monetary contribution. Stuff doesn't just run for free. If people wish for it to continue to be free for all to play and not spend any type of money on the game 1 of 2 things will happen the game ceases to exist or it becomes an AD driven game like every other Facebook or mobile game. It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. If you asked me the only thing in game currency should be able buy would be anything made and/or produced in game period and that there also should be a cap on total currency/storage allowed on alpha accounts. Yes the player base may drop at first but it will weed out anyone who plays this game for making a profit off of it and allow people who actually enjoy playing the game to keep playing. CCP you have one heck of a great game with lots of different aspects to take part in at any given time. And yes there are few bugs here and there heck even the big AAA title games have problems but those guys just milk people for money on rehashed garbage while you guys work to improve a single game that has existed for this long. I will continue to pay my sub for my accounts with RL money WHY because this game offers so many options for just 1 person to be active in and I know that money will be used to help improve the game and its many adventures in space a person could have. I completely agree - well said pilot o7
Plex in fact does mean real money is being spent on the game. I would expect this to be fixed "relatively" soon. It will cost CCP some actual money in the interim while it is being addressed and will certainly have an effect on plex prices. The real danger for CCP is this will cause a certain amount of RMT character trading which is what the whole 2 plex to transfer beat dead several years ago. It will rise up from the ashes and need to be squashed again.
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Nova Valentis
V0LTA WE FORM V0LTA
19
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Posted - 2017.05.08 18:47:56 -
[107] - Quote
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/69ysbh/tears_starting_tomorrow_we_will_only_be_able_to/
that guy makes sense, please listen CCP. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10970
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Posted - 2017.05.08 19:09:17 -
[108] - Quote
I wonder if this oversight has more implications than just character trading. There's more stuff that PLEX was used for, such as P4G, FF, AT and other events.
Are we going to find that CCP forgot to tell us some other important failure of the system at the last second? "Oh, sorry guys, you can't PLEX for the Alliance Tournament. Just send $20, instead."
Mr Epeen
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k898
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2017.05.08 19:18:25 -
[109] - Quote
Im happy you have added using real-life money. But to completely remove the PLEX element is stupid and wrong. I have paid a couple of thousand in my EVE history. I now have enough ISK to manage most of my characters (tho i do sub some with RL money to help CCP) but it dont want to pay more money to move an account between characters |
Roxie Glitz
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2017.05.08 19:45:11 -
[110] - Quote
CCPls don't go through with this. I love the character bazaar and this change will kill it. |
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Othran
Route One
776
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Posted - 2017.05.08 20:25:45 -
[111] - Quote
Mmm seems like a "lets monetise this, 0.2% (example) of the subscribers use it" play from CCP to me.
Of course I'm an incorrigable cynic when it comes to CCP since "Greed is Good" hit the fan.... |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3706
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Posted - 2017.05.08 20:31:48 -
[112] - Quote
Nova Valentis wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/69ysbh/tears_starting_tomorrow_we_will_only_be_able_to/
that guy makes sense, please listen CCP. Character transfers hardly qualify as in-game actions. If so, can you give me the lore for it? It's an out-of-game account service. Nevertheless as other account services can be paid for with ISK via PLEX, this feature should be restored.
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Jonatan Reed
Oblivion Watch HYDRA RELOADED
95
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Posted - 2017.05.08 21:33:33 -
[113] - Quote
This is an obvious attempt for CCP to monetize something completely that was only partially monetized before because of PLEX.
This is just a cash grab and it's really bad that CCP thinks they can just pass it off as an oversight.
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48and87rock Dingus
The Dingus Coalition Orbital Velocity
2
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Posted - 2017.05.08 22:16:48 -
[114] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:This is an obvious attempt for CCP to monetize something completely that was only partially monetized before because of PLEX.
This is just a cash grab and it's really bad that CCP thinks they can just pass it off as an oversight.
This.
Also we all know that after this issue has faded from the spot light ccp will never actually do anything about it. So many times they have said that we will look at something in the future and haven't. Do the right thing ccp and fix this now.
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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
341
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Posted - 2017.05.08 22:22:31 -
[115] - Quote
it really does need to be fixed, considering what sparked the summer of rage ( i believe that was the terminology)
"Greed is good", but is it really?
If it comes way too slow, or never gets fixed.
Does character bazaar just go away? or Does monuments in game get another face lift? |
Zhele Jamohrr
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
8
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Posted - 2017.05.08 22:29:03 -
[116] - Quote
It's OK that you make mistakes, CCP. It's... unprofessional at best... that you handle them in this manner.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28204
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Posted - 2017.05.08 22:32:35 -
[117] - Quote
k898 wrote:Im happy you have added using real-life money. But to completely remove the PLEX element is stupid and wrong. I have paid a couple of thousand in my EVE history. I now have enough ISK to manage most of my characters (tho i do sub some with RL money to help CCP) but it dont want to pay more money to move an account between characters You've been able to use real money to cover character transfers for years so it's not an addition at all.
If the "we're looking into it" is anything like the paypal "promise" I doubt we'll see PLEX returning as a payment method for character transfers.
It looks like CCP's solution to reimbursing removed aurum by splitting PLEX has come back to bite them in the arse.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Posted - 2017.05.09 00:35:25 -
[118] - Quote
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Kinga Artrald wrote:This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead? 20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP
The PLEX was already paid for by someone who sold it for ISK
this is a new sale
PLEX could change hands in game a million times and CCP doesn't make any money, they don't make any money when it's used either , they just make money when they sell things , like PLEX or Character Transfers for cash |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10974
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Posted - 2017.05.09 01:16:26 -
[119] - Quote
forums wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Kinga Artrald wrote:This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead? 20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP The PLEX was already paid for by someone who sold it for ISK this is a new sale PLEX could change hands in game a million times and CCP doesn't make any money, they don't make any money when it's used either , they just make money when they sell things , like PLEX or Character Transfers for cash What it does for CCP and for the game when PLEX is used for a character transfer is remove 2.5 billion ISK from the economy. This a good thing from my perspective.
As for the "new sale" thing. That assumes people will still be trading characters and moving them from one account to the other.
Pretty unlikely.
So reduced new sales and reduced ISK sink with no nerf that I've seen to ISK creation. Not exactly top shelf economic theory.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
877
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Posted - 2017.05.09 01:57:11 -
[120] - Quote
forums wrote: The PLEX was already paid for by someone who sold it for ISK
this is a new sale
PLEX could change hands in game a million times and CCP doesn't make any money, they don't make any money when it's used either , they just make money when they sell things , like PLEX or Character Transfers for cash
PLEX appear on the income reports CCP have put out as deferred revenue. So while $20 in (a reduced number of) new sales is a big deal, transferring $40 from deferred revenue into realized revenue is no small thing, either.
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
291
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Posted - 2017.05.09 02:39:02 -
[121] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:This is something that wasn't included in the release with the PLEX changes, as it's caused by a technical limitation with the way the new PLEX system works. The plan is to look at this down the future and potentially reintroduce paying for this with PLEX, but at this stage we're not committed to a timeline on when this will happen. Hope this answers your question What about resculpts? Why is it gonna cost 500olex now, it was only 1000 aurum before. Why are you astronomically rising prices on that. That should be available for free or a small isk fee in the customization options we already have. Customization in general needs to be overhauled. |
Loroseco Kross
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
51
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Posted - 2017.05.09 03:00:31 -
[122] - Quote
My gilded, 300+ upvote reddit thread on the issue
A 440+ upvote reddit thread posted upon the release of the patch notes.
I hope that together, these two threads are enough to prove to you that this issue deserves more of a response than "We're not committed to a timeline". You're allowed to make mistakes, but being unwilling to fix them is not appreciated.
I'm an acquired taste.
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CMDR-HerpyDerpy Hurishima
Debitum Naturae Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2017.05.09 04:05:53 -
[123] - Quote
Im new What is Character transfer free? |
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1356
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Posted - 2017.05.09 04:10:00 -
[124] - Quote
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Kinga Artrald wrote:This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead? 20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP CCP won't "lose" on this. The cost to transfer will be equal to the cost of 2 plex today. Depending on where in the world you live, that cost can be $35US = $48AU.
$50 to transfer a character? Extractors are looking good...
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It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Sister Stetille
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2017.05.09 04:46:43 -
[125] - Quote
Someone had asked about the comparison of cost to transfer SP through Character Bazaar and Injections. Assuming that a person trains 1.5m SP in a month and an Injector = 1000 Aurum = .3 PLEX then. In a month, you can train 3 Injectors worth of SP, add in the PLEX to train the skills. This translates to each Injector being worth 0.63 PLEX.
5m SP transfer
In Character Bazaar, a 5m SP char would take 3.33 Months to create, add 2 PLEX to transfer and it cost you 5.33 PLEX In Injectors, it would take 9 injectors or 5.7 PLEX
50m SP transfer
Character Bazaar, 33.3 Months training and 2 PLEX transfer = 35.3 PLEX. Injectors, first 5m is still 9 injectors, next 45m is 112.5 injectors, totaling 121.5 injectors or 77 PLEX
80m SP transfer
Character Bazaar, 53.33 months training and 2 PLEX transfer = 55.33 PLEX Injectors, first 50m SP is still 121.5 Injectors, next 30m are 100 Injectors, totalling 221.5 Injectors or 140 PLEX
This change makes CCP a lot more money just to transfer SP between characters, especially for high SP character transfers.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Lost Obsession
1662
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Posted - 2017.05.09 06:34:34 -
[126] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:I wonder if this oversight has more implications than just character trading. There's more stuff that PLEX was used for, such as P4G, FF, AT and other events. Are we going to find that CCP forgot to tell us some other important failure of the system at the last second? "Oh, sorry guys, you can't PLEX for the Alliance Tournament. Just send $20, instead." Mr Epeen On point, as usually.
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Druadan
Aliastra Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2017.05.09 11:46:28 -
[127] - Quote
I support the change (it should never have been possible to pay for character transfers using PLEX) but damn, people should have been given enough notice to reorganise their affairs before it happens. |
ISD Max Trix
isd community communications liaisons
1788
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Posted - 2017.05.09 12:10:47 -
[128] - Quote
Removed a post for ranting.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Jahweh
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.05.09 12:29:37 -
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@CCP you removed my post for ranting.
Let me rephrase:
This feature is due to what?
You removed a significant feature that i use a lot in my game play!
Like it or not, CCP made a big mistake by not informing us via the propper channels and implement this gamechanging feature in a sneaky way!
Plz give us detailed information on how you intend to solve this issue!
THX! |
Marek Kanenald
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.05.09 12:54:08 -
[130] - Quote
Why they didn't just make aurum market tradable is completely beyond me. |
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Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
103
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Posted - 2017.05.09 13:04:06 -
[131] - Quote
Won't this also effect the number of players training extra characters on the same account? I know a guy that runs 6-8 "extra" training characters to sell on the bazaar and I am sure there are many more with even more slots like him. Each account is using 3 PLEX that is bought from somewhere, won't that hurt CCP as well. |
Thanatos Marathon
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
651
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Posted - 2017.05.09 13:39:56 -
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Very disappointing.
JUSTK is recruiting
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10977
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Posted - 2017.05.09 14:11:15 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I wonder if this oversight has more implications than just character trading. There's more stuff that PLEX was used for, such as P4G, FF, AT and other events. Are we going to find that CCP forgot to tell us some other important failure of the system at the last second? "Oh, sorry guys, you can't PLEX for the Alliance Tournament. Just send $20, instead." Mr Epeen It turns out that CCP managed just fine to code the PLEX for AT sign up. But they still can't do the same for character transfer.
Yeah...seems legit.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Tzuko1
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Snuffed Out
27
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Posted - 2017.05.09 14:18:07 -
[134] - Quote
wow..... always some hidden changes .... always something broke and left just right there..... |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
33278
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Posted - 2017.05.09 14:19:35 -
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Only extractors and money now halal, but Paypal still haram. WTF CCP?
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Matsu Fumiko
Know your Role League of Unaligned Master Pilots
1916
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Posted - 2017.05.09 14:40:54 -
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You should enable Paypal for character Transfers.... otherwise you cut yourself from CC-less customers.
Teilnahme ab 18! Glücksspiel kann süchtig machen!
www.spielen-mit-verantwortung.de
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Tephray
Dirt 'n' Glitter Siege Green.
0
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Posted - 2017.05.09 15:21:41 -
[137] - Quote
Please do not go through with this. Eve should stay playable without the use of real life currency, all parts of it.
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Destron Aurilen
The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance
5
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Posted - 2017.05.09 17:23:19 -
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Well this screws my plans over, such an unnecessary change |
Mokada Akiga
Bah Weep Grah Na Weep Mini Bahm
3
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Posted - 2017.05.09 19:23:15 -
[139] - Quote
Plex also cost more per plex than it did before. |
Holy Shizznit
ROMANIA Renegades. Circle-Of-Two
0
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Posted - 2017.05.09 20:14:33 -
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What about the time invested to train a character for the sole purpose of selling?
It takes a minimum 3 months to train a character from scratch to get some little profit from it.... Do we get a reimbursment or something? Because this was not announced in time for us to take some action in this matter....
Some of us consider this a way of income.... |
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DustinHF
Hazardous Wormhole Rebels
0
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Posted - 2017.05.09 20:31:19 -
[141] - Quote
how to solve every issue and changes players hate one that attracts ccp's attention pretty quickly when players dont like something shoot the monument outside jita 4-4 |
Elenahina
agony unleashed Agony Empire
1692
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Posted - 2017.05.09 20:40:13 -
[142] - Quote
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Kinga Artrald wrote:This is obviously an attempt to make more money in the meantime while "we look at this [in the future]". I mean, really how hard would it be to say 2xplex||500xplex2=transfer character. You guys know the exchange rate so, oh wait, nvm, we'll just sneak it in patch notes days before update so we can get some more micro transactions. So now anyone selling characters has to spend what, $20 bucks instead? 20 dollars is less than the price of 2 plex. CCP looses money off of this change. So it's safe to assume they will be fixing it ASAP
This, frankly. Every character transfer done with :2plex: yields $14 USD more for CCP's wallets. They are literally making less money, not more, with this change.
I'd be willing to bet that they will work it out sooner, rather than later.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
688
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Posted - 2017.05.09 21:46:52 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I wonder if this oversight has more implications than just character trading. There's more stuff that PLEX was used for, such as P4G, FF, AT and other events. Are we going to find that CCP forgot to tell us some other important failure of the system at the last second? "Oh, sorry guys, you can't PLEX for the Alliance Tournament. Just send $20, instead." Mr Epeen On point, as usually.
Not on point at all actually. You are blinded by his Epeen.
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Enigma08
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.05.09 21:52:01 -
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JuckFames 315 wrote: Ok lets cut to the chase here how many have you even pay for your account or spend any RL money on the game? If no then please shut up you are not allowed to have an opinion because companies can not and will not be able to support a game where the majority of the player base do not make a monetary contribution. Stuff doesn't just run for free. If people wish for it to continue to be free for all to play and not spend any type of money on the game 1 of 2 things will happen the game ceases to exist or it becomes an AD driven game like every other Facebook or mobile game. It makes me sad to read people flame a game and its developers for not allowing people to use an in game based currency to buy character transfers to another account. This is a very ignorant thought process and I think CCP has every right to charge someone RL money to do it because that takes an actual person not just magically happens at the click of a button and poof the character is transferred. If you asked me the only thing in game currency should be able buy would be anything made and/or produced in game period and that there also should be a cap on total currency/storage allowed on alpha accounts. Yes the player base may drop at first but it will weed out anyone who plays this game for making a profit off of it and allow people who actually enjoy playing the game to keep playing. CCP you have one heck of a great game with lots of different aspects to take part in at any given time. And yes there are few bugs here and there heck even the big AAA title games have problems but those guys just milk people for money on rehashed garbage while you guys work to improve a single game that has existed for this long. I will continue to pay my sub for my accounts with RL money WHY because this game offers so many options for just 1 person to be active in and I know that money will be used to help improve the game and its many adventures in space a person could have. My daughter's cat has a better grasp of economics. Everything about this move by +Ǧå¦å is wrong and offensive.
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.
It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere.
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Jahweh
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2017.05.09 23:04:46 -
[145] - Quote
I only want to know when CCP resolves the issue of plex for transfer.
CCP did wrong, now correct it ffs. |
Dsparil
42 LVL's of Infinity Initiative Mercenaries
22
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Posted - 2017.05.09 23:56:40 -
[146] - Quote
Looks like CCP is just trying to crash the PLEX market and continue to make EVE Online more like World of Warcraft. Couldn't help but notice the new PLEX Vault where idiot players now have the safety of selling their plex straight to CCP too in order to avoid piracy should they have decided, beforehand, transport it for sale. EVE is all about risk and you guys are doing a good job of killin that. First the bounty system, the universal killrights and now this stupid crap. I hope you guys at CCP realize that EVE's redeeming qualities are not infinite. They are actually quite finite and very select. If CCP is trying to destroy its sandbox game, it's doing a VERY good job of it. Trust me when I say, people are not going to be very keen on doing gigantic fleets("Derp, kek, I press teh F1 wunz kee, durrrrrr") or doing bland missions or sitting around watching a mining laser all day long. It seems be the direction CCP is pushing this. Now lucky enough, I don't rely on the plex market, but the writing, with this crap, is plain as day.
ETA: Oh yeah I own page 8. |
Dark Reignz
Four-Q
59
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Posted - 2017.05.10 06:34:59 -
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Hey peeps. Just came back to check out the game after a couple of years break and just wanted to know..
Is this a thread full of salty tears from Isk rich people who have actually got to contribute real money for transfering characters ?
Troll Mode - ON
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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
1359
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Posted - 2017.05.10 06:56:25 -
[148] - Quote
Dark Reignz wrote:Hey peeps. Just came back to check out the game after a couple of years break and just wanted to know.. Is this a thread full of salty tears from Isk rich people who have actually got to contribute real money for transfering characters ? If you are serious, best you stay away for a few more years. But to answer a really stupid question - CCP have all but killed off the character bazaar by now forcing players selling characters to complete isk transactions with real money. Not everyone who sells characters is isk rich and even if they were - That has absolutely nothing to do with having to spend real money to get isk.
Eve characters up until now have had no dollar value - CCP has just changed that and put a minimum dollar value on them.
Pretty sure this is against the EULA... CCP is 3rd partying the sale of characters for real money.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Salah ad-Din ibn-Ayyub
Malum Mortuus Nuclear Confusion
0
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Posted - 2017.05.10 08:56:34 -
[149] - Quote
Still no word from CCP?
They are locking threads left and right fast, but a solid answer on our questions?
CCP, START BEHAVING LIKE YOU CARE!!!!! |
Jahweh
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.05.10 09:01:41 -
[150] - Quote
With the release of the 119.5 update to the PLEX systems, there are some technical difficulties that are preventing the use of the New Plex in regards to the Character Transfer system. Currently you will not be able to use plex to cover the cost of the Pilot Transfer. This Post will removed once the issue is corrected.
ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
^^Quote from the character bazaar.......I wanna know when these technical difficulties are resolved. |
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Dark Reignz
Four-Q
59
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Posted - 2017.05.10 09:17:01 -
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Jahweh wrote:With the release of the 119.5 update to the PLEX systems, there are some technical difficulties that are preventing the use of the New Plex in regards to the Character Transfer system. Currently you will not be able to use plex to cover the cost of the Pilot Transfer. This Post will removed once the issue is corrected.
ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
^^Quote from the character bazaar.......I wanna know when these technical difficulties are resolved.
They are probably just collating data on how the player base adapts to the fee and the impact on free-loaders who train alts for free.
Dry your tears for now folks :)
Troll Mode - ON
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Jahweh
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.05.10 09:49:44 -
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Dark Reignz wrote:Jahweh wrote:With the release of the 119.5 update to the PLEX systems, there are some technical difficulties that are preventing the use of the New Plex in regards to the Character Transfer system. Currently you will not be able to use plex to cover the cost of the Pilot Transfer. This Post will removed once the issue is corrected.
ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
^^Quote from the character bazaar.......I wanna know when these technical difficulties are resolved. They are probably just collating data on how the player base adapts to the fee and the impact on free-loaders who train alts for free. Dry your tears for now folks :)
Might wanna take another break and hopefully it will last forever. I dont need TROLLS like you. And it aint free, but counting might not the best part of you? |
Permit Mining Officer
Ninja Hentai Smexy
0
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Posted - 2017.05.10 10:20:43 -
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Well i wont be buying more game time... this game is getting more and more pay to win and downgraded to a console game... I miss the old asteroid belts in 2006 when i first started playing... i miss the thing that you had to upgrade your clone and had to buy a new 1 since you got pod killed... more gameplay gone... then the bounty set that if you killed the dude/gal you get the whole bounty not just a stupid part of it... again fun gameplay destroyed... then that uh warp stuff extra skill thingy's on ships so you can warp out more easly of battle... again game breaking change no more strat... everytime less RPG. now removing plex so people cant go run around with plex to have a dangerous run or have it for baiting other players :).. again game got downgraded more and more to console size game... ow and forgot the skill buying and extracting... yes i made use of it.. but it made my gameplaying more lazy so yes again some gameplay destroyed... but you could really see that ccp wanted more players and started creating real money stuff microtransactions :)...
So if my 139 days end i will no more buy anymore because i dont earn enough ingmae to pay with isk... so well after all those times bb ccp... when my game time ends :P... |
Tetsuya Wang
Fuxk You Konami
1
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Posted - 2017.05.10 21:17:00 -
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This kind of action which trying to grab money from player while there is already a way which let u, CCP earn money in the end (u know plex comes from RL money pay to you, right?) makes me feel like u are trying to do window dressing, and make me doubt that u are suffering for another failure in your shift in investment. I feel fine if u try to test on new thing with your profit on EVE online but if your go to over and harm the foundation of you profiting product that will be bad for both you and me.
I think I do need to re-consider about the ability that u are able to make this game stable. |
Jahweh
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.05.11 00:43:28 -
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Bump and back to the top.
I will continue doing this untill the issue is settled in a fair way, and not the way CCP is treating us.......the players. |
ISD Max Trix
isd community communications liaisons
1798
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Posted - 2017.05.11 00:55:35 -
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Quote: 15. Bumping outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channels is prohibited.
The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment forum channels. Within the EVE Marketplace section of the forums, each forum category has its own rules regarding acceptable bumping for sales threads clearly listed in the stickies.
Similarly the Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channel also has its own rules. Please be aware that the rules vary from forum to forum. Please review the sticky threads in these forum channels for specific details.
Closed.
If you have an issue with the way the forums are moderated, please file a support ticket here: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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