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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2017.05.04 14:57:06 -
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Do you own a Starbase or an Outpost? Want to know what's happening to some of your existing gear? Or do you just want to blow up some stations? This dev blog by Team Five 0 has some of the details you'll need to know.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Nornir Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:09:50 -
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Why do you seem hesitant to refund deprecated BPOs, making them effectively non-functional?
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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:12:03 -
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CCP promoting some conflict with these new faction citadels, nice.
Spaceprincess
People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
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MainDrain
Righteous Choirboys ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:28:39 -
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Can we get an indication of the size of the rescaled citadels/outposts.
In my head I see them as being larger than fortizars, but smaller than keepstars |
Therem Harth
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2017.05.04 15:36:11 -
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What would happen with outpost "eggs" that will happen to be manufactured but not deployed by the date of "upgrade"? |
Fish Hunter
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.04 16:46:34 -
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You're wasting your time with the rigs relative to outpost upgrades while leaving them worse than Engineering Complexes. Engineering Complexes are already better just more specialized. The main draw to keep using ouptosts for industry right now is it is safe, remove that and except for the very few fully upgraded amarr outposts everyone's going to move to Engineering complexes. |
Hashi Lebwohl
The Graduates The Initiative.
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Posted - 2017.05.04 17:04:13 -
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What will happen to clones in outposts? Currently those clones are perfectly safe but with this change they could be destroyed either through the destruction of the replacement citadel or its unanchoring. |
Maenth
The Thirteen Provinces
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Posted - 2017.05.04 19:25:16 -
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"Today we will be providing some more detail about the Starbase and outpost transition plans that we announced last week at Fanfest here in Reykjavik." - a month later... xD
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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
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Posted - 2017.05.04 20:52:17 -
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The conversion rate has increased for the removal of POS structures. I'm fine with the timeline, but don;t want to see the loss of bonuses until AFTER the refineries are well established and can be transitioned smoothly.
If I put a BPO in for research, and it takes over 1000 days to complete (yes there are some that will take that long), will you complete those automatically in a couple years when its time to end your POS buyback program?
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Max Singularity
House Singularity Sixth Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.04 21:15:35 -
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I bless this mess! A long time coming and RIP legacy starbase code that has always been a bane to developers.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.04 21:56:16 -
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Just curious: Whilst 0.0 ouposts are being removed are there any plans for changes of any sort to NPC-held outposts in pirate sovereignty 0.0 (or low/highsec, for that matter)?
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Penance Toralen
Compass Fox
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Posted - 2017.05.04 22:12:45 -
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So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC.
Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists. |
Manning Zeitbringer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.05.04 22:27:29 -
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It's not that rare usage of towers when you deploy into some WH system for short time (hours to days). Expedition style. As far as I understand, new structures need a week to unanchor. So, are you planning to support expedition style somehow, new smaller structures?.. |
Ebony Texas
The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2017.05.04 23:08:58 -
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how much are we getting back for our researched outpost BPO's??. this has been asked several times and it seems like you guys are just cloaking up and dodging the question. |
mkint
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Posted - 2017.05.05 02:00:57 -
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Penance Toralen wrote:So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC.
Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists.
Didn't you get the memo?
"Screw you" -CCP (paraphrased)
Or the other memo?
"Small corporations don't matter. Be someone else's NPC or get out." -CCP (paraphrased)
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Res Five
Crown Solutions TOGETHER WE STAND
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Posted - 2017.05.05 10:06:55 -
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mkint wrote:Penance Toralen wrote:So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC. Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists. Didn't you get the memo? "Screw you" -CCP (paraphrased) Or the other memo? "Small corporations don't matter. Be someone else's NPC or get out." -CCP (paraphrased)
We've got this ever since they announced the plans to replace the towers ( automatic defenses, perfect force multipler, useful for small corps or people with RL ) with the structures ( manual defenses, horrible force multiplier - a small subcap fleet is enough to bring a fortizar to its knees - needing supporting fleet and therefor either big corps or people with a lot of free time on their hands ). |
Sylvia Kildare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.05 12:21:55 -
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Therem Harth wrote:What would happen with outpost "eggs" that will happen to be manufactured but not deployed by the date of "upgrade"?
I believe as of last November/December (sometime a few weeks after EVE Ascension in mid-November) they shut off the deployment of new eggs. So no new Outposts have been planted in 2017, in short.
Hashi Lebwohl wrote:What will happen to clones in outposts? Currently those clones are perfectly safe but with this change they could be destroyed either through the destruction of the replacement citadel or its unanchoring.
Citadel doesn't even have to be destroyed or taken down. Owner can just stop fueling the clone bay, shut it off, unplug the service module, whatever. Had two of my PVP clones destroyed when an Ashab citadel owner just dumped every clone in the fortizar at once. thankfully, they were cheap (and my experiment taught me to put my PVP clones back at Amarr trade hub... putting them in a citadel didn't remove the 20 hour timer, anyway). |
Sylvia Kildare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.05 12:28:29 -
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Penance Toralen wrote:So the current small tower I have, which just does refining and small manufacture will be superseded by the local the NPC.
Still waiting to hear when the promise will be kept to small corporations/industrialists.
You'd need both one of the new medium refineries later this year and a Raitaru to replace your POS's refining and manufacturing capability at a good efficiency, yes.
Or else use the structures of others. Or else use NPC stations and get less efficiency/higher cost/more time spent, etc.
Manning Zeitbringer wrote:It's not that rare usage of towers when you deploy into some WH system for short time (hours to days). Expedition style. As far as I understand, new structures need a week to unanchor. So, are you planning to support expedition style somehow, new smaller structures?..
I've heard WHers talk of exactly that problem. People entrenched in WHs will be even harder to kick out in this new future, their citadels will be up and if you want to build caps nearby, you won't be able to just pop up a POS and start nice and quiet, your citadel will take 24 hours to anchor and will be visible to all in blue on the system scanner, just like red signatures and green anomalies.
Something in between a mobile depot and an astrahus is needed. Something you put up fairly quickly (maybe not 10 secs like a MTU or 1 minute like a MD, but not 24 hours like a citadel, either!), can tether / dock / both at, and do more than just refit and store one jetcan worth of stuff... CCPls. |
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2017.05.05 13:00:34 -
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Oh, it seems like the details for the reimbursement for not deployed outpost platforms and outpost blueprints are missing.
Therem Harth wrote:What would happen with outpost "eggs" that will happen to be manufactured but not deployed by the date of "upgrade"?
Ebony Texas wrote:how much are we getting back for our researched outpost BPO's??. this has been asked several times and it seems like you guys are just cloaking up and dodging the question.
From the patch notes for next weeks release, which will be posted soon:
Quote: Existing copies of Outpost Construction Platforms, Outpost Construction Platform Blueprints, Station Improvement Platforms and Station Upgrade Platforms have been reimbursed in the following fashion: * Station Improvement Platforms and Station Upgrade Platforms have been removed and their owners have been credited with isk equal to their full NPC sale value * Minmatar and Gallente Outpost Platform Blueprints have been converted into Astrahus blueprints * Amarr and Caldari Outpost Platform Blueprints have been converted into Raitaru blueprints * Outpost Platforms have been converted into both 1 Fortizar and 1 Azbel
Extra items will be sent to either the home station for characters or the delivery hangar in the HQ station for corporations.
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Ebony Texas
The Alabaster Albatross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2017.05.05 13:50:37 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:Oh, it seems like the details for the reimbursement for not deployed outpost platforms and outpost blueprints are missing. Therem Harth wrote:What would happen with outpost "eggs" that will happen to be manufactured but not deployed by the date of "upgrade"? Ebony Texas wrote:how much are we getting back for our researched outpost BPO's??. this has been asked several times and it seems like you guys are just cloaking up and dodging the question. From the patch notes for next weeks release, which will be posted soon: Quote: Existing copies of Outpost Construction Platforms, Outpost Construction Platform Blueprints, Station Improvement Platforms and Station Upgrade Platforms have been reimbursed in the following fashion: * Station Improvement Platforms and Station Upgrade Platforms have been removed and their owners have been credited with isk equal to their full NPC sale value * Minmatar and Gallente Outpost Platform Blueprints have been converted into Astrahus blueprints * Amarr and Caldari Outpost Platform Blueprints have been converted into Raitaru blueprints * Outpost Platforms have been converted into both 1 Fortizar and 1 Azbel
Extra items will be sent to either the home station for characters or the delivery hangar in the HQ station for corporations.
Thank you very much. |
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Nornir Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.05 14:41:12 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:Oh, it seems like the details for the reimbursement for not deployed outpost platforms and outpost blueprints are missing. From the patch notes for next weeks release, which will be posted soon: Quote: Existing copies of Outpost Construction Platforms, Outpost Construction Platform Blueprints, Station Improvement Platforms and Station Upgrade Platforms have been reimbursed in the following fashion: * Station Improvement Platforms and Station Upgrade Platforms have been removed and their owners have been credited with isk equal to their full NPC sale value * Minmatar and Gallente Outpost Platform Blueprints have been converted into Astrahus blueprints * Amarr and Caldari Outpost Platform Blueprints have been converted into Raitaru blueprints * Outpost Platforms have been converted into both 1 Fortizar and 1 Azbel
Extra items will be sent to either the home station for characters or the delivery hangar in the HQ station for corporations.
You're going to convert 2b NPC price BPOs into 6b NPC price BPOs that are about to lose some of their utility to the new refinery structures? Astrahus BPOs have already been reselling below NPC due to overbuying and people hopping on new bandwagons. I could understand if you were wanting to ease the transition from outposts to citadels, but we're more than a year past their introduction and have already purchased and researched the BPOs we require. This might've been worth doing back when Citadel was released, but now you're just devaluing peoples' investments in the BPOs from the last year.
Could you let us know why you're doing this? Also, please check that the extra items won't be sent to impound like what happened with SKINs and fighters as it can be very expensive to get them out of there, which is pretty unfair when they weren't there before.
The first part of my first question in this thread still seems pretty relevant.
Elizabeth Norn wrote:Why do you seem hesitant to refund deprecated BPOs, while making them effectively non-functional?
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Servanda
Liga Freier Terraner Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2017.05.05 15:29:50 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:... The first part of my first question in this thread still seems pretty relevant. Elizabeth Norn wrote:Why do you seem hesitant to refund deprecated BPOs, while making them effectively non-functional?
I would asume one reason for this is that bpos serve partly as ISK sinks. That's why it can be better for the economy to convert them into there replacement bpos wherever that is posible instead of pumping all that isk back into the game everytime a system gets replaced with something new. |
Rinoll Utama
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.05.05 15:30:10 -
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I'm just going to echo what people have already said regarding WH gameplay. If a new, POS comparable structure isn't added then a large portion of WH gameplay is going to wither and die, basically. I don't live in WH's myself, but I can appreciate the strategies used, and this kind of emergent gameplay is something that needs to stay in the game IMO. |
March rabbit
Mosquito squadron The-Culture
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Posted - 2017.05.05 15:56:53 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:You're going to convert 2b NPC price BPOs into 6b NPC price BPOs that are about to lose some of their utility to the new refinery structures? Astrahus BPOs have already been reselling below NPC due to overbuying and people hopping on new bandwagons. I could understand if you were wanting to ease the transition from outposts to citadels, but we're more than a year past their introduction and have already purchased and researched the BPOs we require. This might've been worth doing back when Citadel was released, but now you're just devaluing peoples' investments in the BPOs from the last year. Could you let us know why you're doing this? Also, please check that the extra items won't be sent to impound like what happened with SKINs and fighters as it can be very expensive to get them out of there, which is pretty unfair when they weren't there before. The first part of my first question in this thread still seems pretty relevant. Elizabeth Norn wrote:Why do you seem hesitant to refund deprecated BPOs, while making them effectively non-functional? Well... It's not that these BPOs will be 'effectively non-functional'. They still can be used to make BPCs, to manufacture or they can be sold.
In similar cases with skills CCP never refunds what still can be used. And they better not do "one-time exceptions"....
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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
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Posted - 2017.05.05 16:05:33 -
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What about an array that would allow "Renter's" to have their own facility to dock and launch from?
The Renter's Hub would be smaller hubs capable of handling 10, 20 or 30 hangars for neutral players to base out of. The Renters's Hub would be free of combat involving the Citadel but could still be attacked none-the-less. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research Nornir Empire
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Posted - 2017.05.05 16:47:54 -
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March rabbit wrote: Well... It's not that these BPOs will be 'effectively non-functional'. They still can be used to make BPCs, to manufacture or they can be sold.
In similar cases with skills CCP never refunds what still can be used. And they better not do "one-time exceptions"....
Outposts and their BPOs have been effectively non-functional for a while now. This dev blog also talks about doing the same to some POS arrays (which is still late), but doesn't mention anything about refunds.
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CCP Habakuk
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2017.05.05 17:16:46 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote: Outposts and their BPOs have been effectively non-functional for a while now. This dev blog also talks about doing the same to some POS arrays (which is still late), but doesn't mention anything about refunds.
Some considerations regarding blueprint refunds in general: * In most cases it is much better to transition them to a different blueprint type instead of giving isk for them. Then we can treat BPOs and BPCs the same and we are not losing the research value of a blueprint. * The exact reimbursement is normally only announced (and decided) after the NPC sell orders are removed from the market: Then there is less concern if the worth of a specific blueprint increases a bit through the reimbursement (otherwise it could be abused too easily :) ).
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Res Five
Crown Solutions TOGETHER WE STAND
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Posted - 2017.05.05 18:03:17 -
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CCP Habakuk wrote:* The exact reimbursement is normally only announced (and decided) after the NPC sell orders are removed from the market: Then there is less concern if the worth of a specific blueprint increases a bit through the reimbursement (otherwise it could be abused too easily :) ).
On the other hand, removing the functionality from items/blueprints will lower their worth down to zero. Since the announcement that the POSes will be removed, the modules and blueprints lost even 80%-90% of their values in some cases. How will those be reimbursed ? |
Cloon McCloon
Space Fukery
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Posted - 2017.05.05 19:11:26 -
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"These structures will continue to operate for some time longer and any jobs started before the August patch will complete with the bonuses intact."
Will research jobs that are still in progress roll into the new fortizar structure after the big day and continue to research, or will they fail? I purposely start very long research jobs in outposts because I don't have to worry about the outpost exploding several months into research and losing my progress. |
Graz3r
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.05.05 21:14:59 -
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I can see some serious imbalance here with regards to outposts being replaced and destructible. Can ccp make low sec and high sec outposts destructible too? That way eve is in balance all over the everse.
As well as powerblocs and blue donuts will go hit all small entities to take away their outpost/faction citadels. Conflict and content is good, its what keeps everse turning, but this is a new low with no measures in place prevent powerblocs running around rampant and taking over outposts, knowing smaller entities cannot fight far bigger entities than themselves.
Think this is another ccp fail. |
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