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kittypaws
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: kittypaws on 10/05/2007 07:42:02 Edited by: kittypaws on 10/05/2007 07:39:15 DS, nextime dont put it on the forums ;) it only makes things 1000x worse,! in one hour about 15 difrent pepole have tried this on me now....
and lol I have not made 40-60bill isk :) more like 2-3 bil isk..
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:43:00 -
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I love paying 15 bucks a month to Beta test a four year old product. The "To be Fixed" List is longer than my arm I am sure.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Noluck Ned I love paying 15 bucks a month to Beta test a four year old product. The "To be Fixed" List is longer than my arm I am sure.
Shh...didnt you know? EVE is still in beta
Did anyone try this:
open trade window, put in cash and item. Before clicking accept as buyer, wire all your ISK in wallet to someone else, what happens?
Originally by: welsh wizard You might not be able to kill anything but you can sure as hell ignore it and go about your business
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spurious signal
Caldari Brainiacs
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:52:00 -
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Wow, this game really has gone down the toilet hasn't it?
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Red Nikki
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.10 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn How is this not locked yet? Lmao.
Because its not an exploit!
Dontcha love the GMs?
Thanks a lot,Dark Shikari.By going public and telling everyone about this you have just cost me my new Battle Cruiser.(Which took me 3 weeks to mine for)I just got scammed and they told me "Dark Shikari told me to do it" and pasted a link to this thread. I do not spend all of my time reading forums and was unaware of this(neither was the guy who scammed me until he read it here) You should be banned for this imo.Not only have you told 1000s of people about a trade bug you have told them how it works and how to do it.Thanks ******! If this is what Eve is all about and how the older players are then I will cancel my subs. I suggest anybody who gets scammed sends you a "thank you" note via Evemail.
ps wtf is a 23 member?
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 10/05/2007 08:11:26
Originally by: Red Nikki Thanks a lot,Dark Shikari.By going public and telling everyone about this you have just cost me my new Battle Cruiser.(Which took me 3 weeks to mine for)I just got scammed and they told me "Dark Shikari told me to do it" and pasted a link to this thread. I do not spend all of my time reading forums and was unaware of this(neither was the guy who scammed me until he read it here) You should be banned for this imo.Not only have you told 1000s of people about a trade bug you have told them how it works and how to do it.Thanks ******! If this is what Eve is all about and how the older players are then I will cancel my subs. I suggest anybody who gets scammed sends you a "thank you" note via Evemail.
ps wtf is a 23 member?
Excellent. We need more folks like you. Newbies who get screwed by this EXPLOIT. Please go and petition it before leaving and state this is the reason why.
I encourage EVREYONE to use this CCP sanctioned technique and target newbies. The more we get the more they quit and who ultiamtely suffers? Not the older players as the majority will know better.
CCP wil eventually wake up and notice the exodus of newbies.
Good huntin folks.
Taikun
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Skva
Caldari Demonic Retribution Pure.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:15:00 -
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Dont bna DS! ITS NOT AN EXPLOIT! (how I dont understand but hey!) Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault |
Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Red Nikki
Thanks a lot,Dark Shikari.By going public and telling everyone about this you have just cost me my new Battle Cruiser.(Which took me 3 weeks to mine for)I just got scammed and they told me "Dark Shikari told me to do it" and pasted a link to this thread. I do not spend all of my time reading forums and was unaware of this(neither was the guy who scammed me until he read it here) You should be banned for this imo.Not only have you told 1000s of people about a trade bug you have told them how it works and how to do it.Thanks ******! If this is what Eve is all about and how the older players are then I will cancel my subs.
While I'm sorry you're victim of this, you really should read Dark Shikari's whole post. Dont blame the people doing this, blame the GM's for telling Dark Shikari this *isn't* an exploit.
Dark Shikari did the right thing, he identified something as suspect and reported it. It's egg thrown in the face of all the legit players like yourself that GM's made the decision that this is not an exploit.
So by dark shikari putting it here in the forums with the GM's blessing, he's done no more than teach players efficient mining or good PvP tactics.
Scamming is a legitimate part of EVE, abusing exploits isnt, and unfortunately this has been identified by the staff as NOT an exploit.
Yes it's ****** up, which is why everyone is complaining, but at this point, what your victim of is NOT a bannable offence. Improve Market Competition! |
Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 10/05/2007 08:29:30 Stupid double post (brought to you by lag!) Improve Market Competition! |
Hugh Ruka
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:33:00 -
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WOW ... just WOW
Luckily I only use trade window with corpmates, there's market and contracts for everything else.
After ACCEPT is pressed, then your side of the window should get LOCKED so you cannot edit your offer afterwards.
A 2 level handshake is the only way to make secure trades scam free. When any side press accept (or rather submit), their part of trade window gets locked. After BOTH parties press accept, trade window gets updated. End of level 1. Next both have to press accept (again) or cancel. If both press accept, trade is executed. End of level 2.
Allowing to edit the offer without mutual agreement (or trade execution prevention) only calls for exploits like this.
Originally by: JP Beauregard The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
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Arthalion Thoidon
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:47:00 -
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Alriiighty then, how in the name of everything holy can this not be an exploit? And here I was thinking you couldn't even alter anything inthe trade window after you had pressed accept. Never used the trade window for anything and sure won't be doing that now.
Let's at least hope this much publicity will at least turn this into an exploit pretty damn fast. Because I'm sitting here picking my jaw from the ground in amazement.
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Sir MilBanacky
Stronghold corp Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:49:00 -
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Pretty sad. This game is going downhill fast. Why aren't these people being banned? Why are threads deleted instead of player's banned?
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ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: ry ry on 10/05/2007 08:51:49
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs While I'm sorry you're victim of this, you really should read Dark Shikari's whole post. Dont blame the people doing this, blame the GM's for telling Dark Shikari this *isn't* an exploit.
if this thread had been started by an alt or a random noob, the resulting flames would have caused any computer connecting to the forums to spontaneously combust, killing everybody and making the world a quieter place.
i for one am thankful it was posted by somebody you lot are more inclined to align yourselves with. i don't think publicly posting instructions on how to take advantage of the lag/trade issue was silly, and it certainly wasn't posted out of petulance because his stuff wasn't returned.
besides, it's not like CCP were aware of the problem and probably going to fix it next patch or anything.
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Sir MilBanacky
Stronghold corp Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux I would like to nominate Dark Shikari to the post of "Rabbler in Chief."
Actually Dark Shikari should be the next person hired at CCP and made Director of IA for his Honesty :)
Integrity and honesty for the win DK!
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Mortecai
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:04:00 -
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GM's, please change this "feature" into an exploit. Yes it is your coding problem and now everyone knows it cause you decided it is not an exploitn.
Everyone and their grandma is using it to scam anyone they can.
Please lock this thread as it will show it is an exploit and state you will deal with it quickly. If you havent noticed it is quickly becoming a real gamebreaking issue for many players.
Props DS for throwing that icky/smelly brown stuff into the fan. Let's see how fast CCP will clean it up. Or maybe they like the stink?
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:04:00 -
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Quote: besides, it's not like CCP were aware of the problem and probably going to fix it next patch or anything.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not expecting CCP to know about every bug known in their game, but I'm fuming personally because some GM has dismissed this as NOT an exploit.
My heart goes out to DS because his reputation preceeds him, I carry a good deal of respect for him, and he's going to cop flames from people who are victim of this exploit because he's brought it to the public eye. But if this is going to be overlooked as 'just another way to scam' by a GM, then the public should know about it, whether to learn about it or use it themselves, until such time this is recognised as an EXPLOIT. Improve Market Competition! |
Maximillian Power
Minmatar WOLFPACK DELTA SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:49:00 -
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Thanks for pointing this out DS.
In line with industry best practices for security related issues - you first informed the vendor and then informed the public. Can't ask for more than that.
To Devs: This is easy to fix with an Optimistic Lock.
-------------------------------- So.... |
ry ry
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:51:00 -
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no point locking the thread now, the cat is well and truly out of the bag.
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Mortecai
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.05.10 09:55:00 -
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Locking it would only tell us that GM's have changed their mind on the "it's not an exploit" and don't want any further discussion on the matter until the problem is solved.
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DirtyHarry
Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:11:00 -
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This has been in the game forever, I was doing it on people back in early 2003 for Moas, althought out of the scores I scammed, one GM removed the isk from my wallet and gave it to the guy .
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Edart Retsam
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:13:00 -
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nice one DS
methinks the reason this isnt an exploit is because that would be admission by ccp that this is a lag related issue... and we all know there is no lag in eve.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight Did you petition this with examples before posting on the forums DS?
Yes, I got scammed by kittypaws, petitioned, and waited until they said "no its not an exploit" before rabbling
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:25:00 -
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I somehow feel like the big EULA violation freight train is on its way for posting a (near-) exploit and a GM decision.
Not approving CCPs cover-up EULA tactics in any way, quite on the contrary.
And fwiw, if you wanna trade with me, be prepared that I'll go do something loooong like play a game of chess before I ever click "accept" now --
CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks. |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Red Nikki Thanks a lot,Dark Shikari.By going public and telling everyone about this you have just cost me my new Battle Cruiser.(Which took me 3 weeks to mine for)I just got scammed and they told me "Dark Shikari told me to do it" and pasted a link to this thread.
You should be banned for this imo.Not only have you told 1000s of people about a trade bug you have told them how it works and how to do it.Thanks ******!
Don't thank DS but thank the senior GMs of Eve that they allow this damned crap! DS did the only right thing here. Make it public so that everyone is hurt so that CCP must change this crap.
How could any person with a sane mind consider this as legal gameplay, especially the GMs and even more the seniors?!
Can we please have a statement from CCP why this sort of exploiting is allowed despite the fact that - as others pointed out already - in the EULA especially such cases are covered being exploits and not allowed?
I am glad that DS had the courage to step forward and make this public, thanks!
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Red Nikki Thanks a lot,Dark Shikari.By going public and telling everyone about this you have just cost me my new Battle Cruiser.(Which took me 3 weeks to mine for)I just got
I'm sorry for your loss. But I think, in my humble personal opinion, that DS is a whissleblower which should be good in the long run. I also personally think morally speaking you should be reimbursed if CCP can't even get a proper trade window working thats suspectible to the prolly most common generic scams in MMOs EVER (item/money pulls or swaps), but in reality they'll never be able to do that because everyone would claim to have been scammed for each trade in the last year, some trying to get the cake and eat it.
All very sad really. --
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:39:00 -
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So basically the OP explains the exploit,whines and then makes others to try it.
The only *** here is why the super fast mods didn't lock this .
Ohh and by the way use contracts.How many isk did you lose Dark Shikari?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0 So basically the OP explains the exploit,whines and then makes others to try it.
The only *** here is why the super fast mods didn't lock this .
Ohh and by the way use contracts.How many isk did you lose Dark Shikari?
But its not an exploit apparently.
I lost a T1 ship BPO that I've been unable to sell for ages because it was like ME2 and nobody wanted it. A decent amount of ISK but nothing I could find a buyer for.
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Mortecai
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:48:00 -
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DS did another posting before this where he notified CCP of a possible exploit abd did not go into details as it was being handled by GM's. CCP thanked him in that thread for notifying etc.
Now DS posted the details of this nice way of making isk because CCP got back to him on the matter and stated it is not an exploit. So we could kind of thank DS for showing us a nice way of scamming those who dont read the forums.
Wonder how many bil could we make before it gets changed into an exploit. They cant punish us for action we do before something is considered an exploit. So no more 10/10 plex whoring, time to scam the noobs @ the trade hubs.
WTB something nice for decent market price, make me offers, ill trade with you. Item has to be in Jita or Oursulaet or Rens.
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0 OP explains the exploit .. why the super fast mods didn't lock this
Because the mods would have to also lock every thread that mentions jetcan mining, scams and many other things that are of exploitive nature, but have been cleared by GMs.
The game can will cope with this kind of scammy method anyway. Among countless lists of 'dont jump to lowsec' etc. newbie tutors just need to add one more item: 'dont use trade window'. Nothing so critical.
Eve is in general well suited for actual cheaters/exploiters. That is, in general you are not allowed to say that 'Doing X is exploit' (since that would reveal how to do X) on public boards. Hence those exploiters can go abusing the actual exploit, and if questioned by GM just claim they think it's normal scammy thing, since nobody has declared it as exploit..
-Lasse who thinks CCP will fix this 'non-exploit' but don't want to policy it before that..
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.10 10:56:00 -
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And I thought WoW GMs were crappy. This one blows the top of every bug/exploit ever discovered.
As I said before, everyone use makros, hacks and whatnot and if you get caught, tell them that its now allowed to use exploits. Just point them to this thread. If others are allowed to exploit, then you are too. Either rules apply for all or for nobody.
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