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Ione Skye
hirr Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.30 20:34:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Killmeded wrote:CCP could set it so that toons that are acting "botish" or people that were reported would recieve a popup with a distorted text test like u have to for emails n stuff. This would easily foil most bots. Failure to respond would result in banning. This could expand the use of the report botting feature.
It could limit the test to a timer but also to if the toon is still taking actions. This would help so that afk people were not being banned for not responding.
A delay function for people in combat could also be implemented. Captcha, and no it won't work. Captcha breaking bots are everywhere, most are free. Not to mention that many players (such as myself) cannot read those blasted things. Especially when they are multicolored.
agreed, Captcha really sucks. There are already way too many messages, which I do not read and just click away or some bad captcha are not readable at all.
I doubt the report function is for real. My guess is, it ends in a dead post box, which nobody ever cares to look into. It is just there to make some worried players feel better. I used this. Others used this. Nothing ever happend.
And that is the basic problem. Nothing ever happens or ever seems to happen. Or if somethings happens, 3 strike policy, nobody knows there was maybe a first strike and of course nobody knows, what the botter did after the first strike in long term. They usually let that account go inactive for a few months and switch another online, before they recycle it. They also could sell it on the character basar.
What I do not understand. I can go through a region with dotlan. I see where the hotspots of NPC kills are and then put them in the addressbook. Then I see whether they are too long online to be just one human. The effort for this is a couple of hours without software tool for each region to make the list and then control it from time to time. It can be done by anybody with no education at all. It could have been done years ago already and on regular basis.
Why did and does this never happen?
Next step is, to watch the cash flow, where it goes to. Another step would be to see, what their main characters and accounts are. The only time I remember somebody famous, who has been banned, was 1armory1 in the last months, because it was published in Russian forums. CCP should have a public black list. Often humans are not very creative at finding new names. So if a botter comes back with another name, which is simular to his old names and more ppl had a list to compare, this might help also to get a tip sometimes, that a banned person tries to cheat again with a new account. It also helps, that ppl do not forget or just do not know, why this character is no more online.
Which leads us to the next question? Why let CCP be accounts run anonymously?
I like anonymity in general. It is worth a lot. Good for free speech like here. But in business it can be dangerous. It animates criminal business partners to go more far than they would, if they had to show their real name. I also saw, how useful it is to have paid with credit card for an account. If an account has been hacked, it helps, to claim the account back by showing the credit card payments, which lead to a RL address.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.30 20:42:00 -
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I hope you have better metrics for "botter" than online time, because I certainly have absolutely no problem with forgetting to shut down clients overnight or when I go to work. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.30 20:43:00 -
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https://twitter.com/#!/Chribba/status/152742427529195520
https://twitter.com/#!/Chribba/status/152746244060614659
/c
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Ione Skye
hirr Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.30 20:46:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:I hope you have better metrics for "botter" than online time, because I certainly have absolutely no problem with forgetting to shut down clients overnight or when I go to work.
you also accidentally shoot NPCs or do some other PVE while being afk online for too long to be human? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
392
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Posted - 2011.12.30 20:53:00 -
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I haven't shot a single NPC (other than maggot NPCs at gates while we wait to jump through), so no.
That's why I said I hoped you had better metrics for botter determination than just online time. |
Ione Skye
hirr Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.30 21:06:00 -
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If you just idle 23/7 hours online, nobody cares, including me. But with dotlan I can see the results of them being online, without being in their system.
It can also be seen without dotlan. If I set up a buy order i.e. in an ice mining system and I see, who is selling me large quantities often and is always online. It is not so difficult to see the signs, even without having GM access, as regular player. For the ice mining, they just needed to compare the big transactions and who they did collect it from. Then check online times for mackinaw pilots and they are already very close. Then again, try to find out, how they try to launder this cheated ISK and who profits from it in the end. Btw. what is Darius Johnson doing. Didnt he want to stop this ****? |
Mentat Cthulhu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.30 21:17:00 -
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I think Darius would like to do something but is probably not allowed due to the same reason CCP gives botters 3 warnings instead of permabanning them with no warning as most MMOs do. |
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