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Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
261
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:09:00 -
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...on the war against the non-humans?
I see more bots now than ever before and there is no sign of it slowing down. They destroy the mineral market, PLEX market due to using it to play for free, I see massive armies of Tengus farming high sec missions, they destroy the belt ratting out in null space, is there no place left that is not tainted by these things? When are the actual players who are at the keyboard going to see some real effort from CCP to be rid of these things?
A dev blog is great, but when it is not backed up with real action; what is the point?
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ElQuirko
The Demonfuge Malevolent Fan Club
204
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:09:00 -
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TL;DR
Man up |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1120
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:11:00 -
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they are on forums. All important EVE people dont play EVE, they pay subscription and write on forums. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
283
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:14:00 -
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Nerf high sec Incursion rewards ? |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1120
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:20:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Nerf high sec Incursion rewards ?
Yep the only "content" which is not flooded by bots.. sounds reasonable. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
380
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:33:00 -
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Remove local or delay it.
That's the only tool we need to take matters into our own hands. A squad of Thrashers using wormholes to get into deep null would be able to wreak such havoc on bots - by the time the bot operator pushes his fat girlfriend off his lap the wolfpack is already into the next system.
Now the real question is, if CCP is not really going to do anything substantial about it, would they at LEAST give us, the players, a means to do something about it?
There also needs to be a crackdown on those who purchase ISK with RMT. Sorry but you have to get the problem solved on BOTH ends. Eliminate the need to do this, like killing off all of the drug addicts, OR make it all perfectly legal.
That the game requires a grind to get anywhere is a breakdown of the concept. But this has already been addressed. People think "you need ISK to finance your leet PVP" when it's proven that good skills and good fittings say otherwise.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
226
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:37:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Remove local or delay it.
That's the only tool we need to take matters into our own hands. A squad of Thrashers using wormholes to get into deep null would be able to wreak such havoc on bots - by the time the bot operator pushes his fat girlfriend off his lap the wolfpack is already into the next system.
Now the real question is, if CCP is not really going to do anything substantial about it, would they at LEAST give us, the players, a means to do something about it?
There also needs to be a crackdown on those who purchase ISK with RMT. Sorry but you have to get the problem solved on BOTH ends. Eliminate the need to do this, like killing off all of the drug addicts, OR make it all perfectly legal.
That the game requires a grind to get anywhere is a breakdown of the concept. But this has already been addressed. People think "you need ISK to finance your leet PVP" when it's proven that good skills and good fittings say otherwise.
I've been saying it for years.... remove concord and let come what may |
Valei Khurelem
House Khurelem
49
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:42:00 -
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What we need is for high sec players to have a chance at invading 0.0, as of now it really is just a bunch of chokepoints purely designed for ganking fleets. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
59
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:52:00 -
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I'd agree with the OP
I'm saddened every time I visit jita, that CCP won't get of there A**** and ban people using bots to spam local.
Not really bothered about the scamming but if CCP sent a GM there for 1 hour a day and banned anyone who spams the channel and is uncontactable by private convo, that would be a start, frankly they don't seem to give a toss.
Given that I'm pretty sure the rest of there 'policy against bots' is just PR Bull, if they can't even do the simplest thing to start to address the problem.
Why, and I know they fervently deny it but, $$$'s , why should they put time and effort into either coming up with better serverside checking or even actually get into the game and scout about, when at the end of the day there going to cost themselves $1000's a month.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
59
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:53:00 -
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-- Edit double post mistook quote for edit sorry --
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
381
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:55:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:What we need is for high sec players to have a chance at invading 0.0, as of now it really is just a bunch of chokepoints purely designed for ganking fleets.
Well that's a chance for me to once more push my desire to see the usual "point to point dialed in warp" such as what you see done in more famous sci-fi.
But honestly I know it's not going to happen. I simply make that proposal to shut up the cry-babies in null who want CCP to force more people out there through game changes. It exposes that fact that yes they want more people out there, but on THEIR terms. Being able to dial in a point to point warp is moving to 0.0 on your own terms, and they don't like that. They only want renters, targets, or cannon fodder - that's their terms. If you could dial in a warp to any point, that's going on your own terms, and would actually require the nulldwellers to use combat probes, form patrols, and make actual use of all those intel tools that they tell everybody else to use.
This, to a point, does expose the botters too. Botting can be done safely on the null side of the Great Wall of Carebear. That with the NAP fest makes 0.0 a bigger botters heaven than high sec.
The mechanic to get past The Wall already exists, in wormholes - and the Tier 3 battle cruiser would be quite capable of going through most if not all wormholes. So it's already possible to bypass The Wall.
It's local that bot scripts rely on to instantly dock up or warp to a SS and cloak the moment a non-blue appears in the system. I really wonder if the NAP-fest - something that we would not think could be possible in a "destroy everything sandbox game" - has financial motivation and that could well be the motivation of RMT, as if seedy mafioso types who could care less about the game saw money to be made and worked their way into major null alliances.
Also makes me wonder if removing or delaying local means a horses head will appear in Himar's bed.
Indeed the ONE THING that could put an end to 0.0 botting, the removal or delay of local, is not the one thing getting implemented. Make me go "hmmmm".
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:57:00 -
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While I agree with the OP, the sad fact is CCP is going to be taking subscription revenue any way they can get it for the foreseeable future.
Maybe you should lobby your CSM "representatives"?
/that's the joke. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
48
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Posted - 2011.12.29 20:58:00 -
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Sorry, but CCP security division has been fired in the 20%.
They have subsequently been replaced with bots. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:00:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Remove local or delay it. Ganker spotted.
Valei Khurelem wrote:What we need is for high sec players to have a chance at invading 0.0, as of now it really is just a bunch of chokepoints purely designed for ganking fleets. If "chokepoints" is all that's stopping you from "invading 0.0", then give up now. You're way too pathetic at warfare to get anywhere.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:who could care less You mean "couldn't care less". If you could care less, why don't you?
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Also makes me wonder if removing or delaying local means a horses head will appear in Himar's bed.
Indeed the ONE THING that could put an end to 0.0 botting, the removal or delay of local, is not the one thing getting implemented. Make me go "hmmmm". Ganker spotted. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
656
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:09:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:What we need is for high sec players to have a chance at invading 0.0, as of now it really is just a bunch of chokepoints purely designed for ganking fleets. Well that's a chance for me to once more push my desire to see the usual "point to point dialed in warp" such as what you see done in more famous sci-fi. But honestly I know it's not going to happen. I simply make that proposal to shut up the cry-babies in null who want CCP to force more people out there through game changes. It exposes that fact that yes they want more people out there, but on THEIR terms. Being able to dial in a point to point warp is moving to 0.0 on your own terms, and they don't like that. They only want renters, targets, or cannon fodder - that's their terms. If you could dial in a warp to any point, that's going on your own terms, and would actually require the nulldwellers to use combat probes, form patrols, and make actual use of all those intel tools that they tell everybody else to use. This, to a point, does expose the botters too. Botting can be done safely on the null side of the Great Wall of Carebear. That with the NAP fest makes 0.0 a bigger botters heaven than high sec. The mechanic to get past The Wall already exists, in wormholes - and the Tier 3 battle cruiser would be quite capable of going through most if not all wormholes. So it's already possible to bypass The Wall. It's local that bot scripts rely on to instantly dock up or warp to a SS and cloak the moment a non-blue appears in the system. I really wonder if the NAP-fest - something that we would not think could be possible in a "destroy everything sandbox game" - has financial motivation and that could well be the motivation of RMT, as if seedy mafioso types who could care less about the game saw money to be made and worked their way into major null alliances. Also makes me wonder if removing or delaying local means a horses head will appear in Himar's bed. Indeed the ONE THING that could put an end to 0.0 botting, the removal or delay of local, is not the one thing getting implemented. Make me go "hmmmm".
Cheap bot scripts rely on local, good quality bot scripts do not.
Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:12:00 -
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And how many bots are in nullsec vs hisec? |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
724
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:24:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:And how many bots are in nullsec vs hisec?
same amount. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Topaz Sky
15
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:26:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: Cheap bot scripts rely on local, good quality bot scripts do not.
Ammzi wrote:Lord Zim wrote:And how many bots are in nullsec vs hisec? same amount.
How did you two become so educate?
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
263
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Posted - 2011.12.29 21:59:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:...on the war against the non-humans?
I see more bots now than ever before
A couple points:
1) Not everything with a mining laser is a bot 2) Not everyone who doesn't feel like talking to you is a bot 3) Not everyone you report as a bot is a bot 4) You are free to load up a tier 3 BC, a tempest, a disco geddon or any other suitable ship and gank the crap out of them. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
59
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:02:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:...on the war against the non-humans?
I see more bots now than ever before A couple points: 1) Not everything with a mining laser is a bot 2) Not everyone who doesn't feel like talking to you is a bot 3) Not everyone you report as a bot is a bot 4) You are free to load up a tier 3 BC, a tempest, a disco geddon or any other suitable ship and gank the crap out of them.
Just one point really what has any of that got to do with the fact CCP won't pull there finger out.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Widemouth Deepthroat
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:03:00 -
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how do you gank the crap out of tengus that make a few hundred mil a day ratting 23/7 in 0.0 which warp to safe the second any hostile enters local and are immune to bubbles? Using a blue alt is too much work.
Are we allowed to make a list of botters and post it on the forum? |
Opertone
Signal 7
68
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:06:00 -
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employ Valve to make ENGINE that spots botting. Or contact even balance for free tips.
Hire someone well know for bot termination. You pay for servers in London. Now you'll need bot hunters as your business grows. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
232
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:13:00 -
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delay local in nullsec. make it so it takes 2-5minutes to appear in local ( depending on sec level?) this means a solo stealth bomber could potentially hit some bots. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
59
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:15:00 -
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People this really has nothing to do with Low sec vs High sec or what tactics playes can use to gank bots.
It has everything to do with CCP once again not living up to there own press.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
453
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:15:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:delay local in nullsec. make it so it takes 2-5minutes to appear in local ( depending on sec level?) this means a solo stealth bomber could potentially hit some bots.
And nullsec would be nothing but bots afterwards. BAD IDEA |
Widemouth Deepthroat
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:18:00 -
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1min would be fine, perhaps even 30s. That would hardly do anything to active pvers. They'd still get intel on everyone traveling through their space (takes longer than 1min to travel across most systems). They'd have to abandon uncompleted anomalies to avoid login traps but that would be a minor annoyance. Bots on the other hand would be completed screwed. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
453
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:24:00 -
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Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:1min would be fine, perhaps even 30s. That would hardly do anything to active pvers. They'd still get intel on everyone traveling through their space (takes longer than 1min to travel across most systems). They'd have to abandon uncompleted anomalies to avoid login traps but that would be a minor annoyance. Bots on the other hand would be completed screwed.
No they would not. Bots would move to another system. And bot with more cheap ships fit to be destroyed often. Meanwhile active players say "fux this" and go either to incursions or another game.
You know how fast a properly fitted tackler can get into a system and have you pointed? Seconds. |
Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
61
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:26:00 -
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Personally I like the bots, not because of the RMT or mineral price depreciation or any of that. I like them because they cause epic levels of whinage on the forums.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:1min would be fine, perhaps even 30s. That would hardly do anything to active pvers. They'd still get intel on everyone traveling through their space (takes longer than 1min to travel across most systems). They'd have to abandon uncompleted anomalies to avoid login traps but that would be a minor annoyance. Bots on the other hand would be completed screwed. No they would not. Bots would move to another system. And bot with more cheap ships fit to be destroyed often. Meanwhile active players say "fux this" and go either to incursions or another game. You know how fast a properly fitted tackler can get into a system and have you pointed? Seconds.
Some times you really get the impression the bots are smarter and more able to survive in EVE than some of the players. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:30:00 -
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Opertone wrote:employ Valve to make ENGINE that spots botting. Or contact even balance for free tips. Nitwit spotted.
Herping yourDerp wrote:delay local in nullsec. make it so it takes 2-5minutes to appear in local ( depending on sec level?) this means a solo stealth bomber could potentially hit some bots. Bad ganker spotted.
Widemouth Deepthroat wrote:1min would be fine, perhaps even 30s. Bad ganker spotted. |
Widemouth Deepthroat
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.12.29 22:32:00 -
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30s is about how long it takes a stilletto to enter and load system, run anomaly scanner and warp to a random nearby sanctum/haven and hope there is something there.
30s local would do nothing to active pvers if they aren't mentally ******** (don't watch intel, go back to clearing same anomaly after hostile logged off in system).
Sure bots will change to cheaper ships...good, they won't be immune to bubbles so they could easily be caught instead of near impossible without spy alts which is the case now with most botters using tengus. |
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