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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
571
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Posted - 2017.04.03 06:11:41 -
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Jita has been and still thee worst place for spam posts, while sometimes amusing maybe it's time to cap local in Jita to a maximum amount of posts per player similar to the timer thing when you jettison a can and have to wait to jettison another.
We have the ability to have channels so maybe its time to use them, or maybe a Jita merchant channel that pops up just like the incursion channel does and still cap local so spam is not easy, if its important enough people can always have private chats that are completely unlimited, anyway any ideals? |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
756
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Posted - 2017.04.03 06:13:13 -
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why do you want a serious local chat in jita? the more messy the better it is, specially for scammers |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
571
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Posted - 2017.04.03 06:15:04 -
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As I said it can be amusing at time, but it's mostly just gibberish nonsense, but if folks want it...I guess. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1367
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Posted - 2017.04.03 06:30:55 -
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Even if you block all the spam there's not much good conversation to be had anyway in front of 1000 people
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
60881
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Posted - 2017.04.03 06:31:31 -
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Just block the annoying ones that spam the same rip off contract every 3 seconds.
Eventually Local chat will clean up and then you can converse with other players.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
573
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Posted - 2017.04.03 06:33:30 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Even if you block all the spam there's not much good conversation to be had anyway in front of 1000 people
Absolutely agree, I only post this because for a long time people have complained about spamming and there just seems like no solutions have been brought fourth that could work. |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2771
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Posted - 2017.04.03 07:18:01 -
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Close local if in Jita = solution that works 100%
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YeuxVerts Belle
Catastrophic Operations The Bastion
59
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Posted - 2017.04.03 07:19:45 -
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Local channel, even Jita's, works as intended. No problem, thus no solution needed.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47381
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Posted - 2017.04.03 07:23:29 -
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Every other system in the game the local chat is boring/no existent.
Lets not take the Jita out of Jita too and make it like every other system in the game. The annoyance of local is what gives Jita some personality, but it's easy to block, or just close local while there if you don't like it. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
30443
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Posted - 2017.04.03 07:26:43 -
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Algorithm that causes people to get "x" seconds delay between posting reply? Dependent on player numbers in the system?
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2017.04.03 10:20:55 -
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So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?
Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.
#rocklivesmatter
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
2407
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Posted - 2017.04.03 12:02:18 -
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Why do you even read Jita local? It's kind of a basic intelligence test: If you pay attention to it more than a few minutes you didnGÇÖt pass. Local chat isnGÇÖt used much in any highsec system anyway (apart from occasional salt harvesting) so purging Jita wonGÇÖt free a needed or important space/tool/option anyway. |
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
635
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Posted - 2017.04.03 12:22:16 -
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Piugattuk wrote:
We have the ability to have channels so maybe its time to use them.
Quoted the important bit.
Minimize local, Use private channels. Jita local isnt a trade channel. Its the scam channel.
Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1425
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Posted - 2017.04.03 12:30:44 -
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Something close to Nanas idea post but slightly deviated.
Its about unique posts vs spam posts. Spam is the same automated message again and again. You would need to set a chat filter to parse player and player post content for original content and then set a timer to repost said information based on a exponential algorithm much like.... wait for it... jump fatigue. THe more you spam your content, be it identical or even a % of identical, ie you add characters, words, jibberish but your main body is 60, 70, 80 or 90% identical to the last post you add more time till you can post again.
This would allow those who wish to chat normally or can spam a post or two but soon you build up a large timer and you wont see it again for minutes, hours or even days for terrible offenders. A normal conversation flow is truly unique in phrases, words, etc and thereby creating a unique word filter would simply do the trick.
Then you just add the unique words together to get a score in a % of truly unique content. Anything above a certain cut off is labeled "spam" and given a rechat timer internally, if one does so within a set limit like jump fatigue but you are able to re enter your text and the filter cut off is hit then you are given a longer timer, etc, etc until noone sees your spam again.
So given the exponential nature if the repost trigger timer is say 2 mins. You then repost within that two mins which kicks in the algorithm % that says your post is 100% reposted material and the longer fatigue timer kicks in. It now will only allow you to post after 5 mins but if you post within a 5 min time limit of that post if lengthens the post fatigue to say 20 mins with a 20 min cooldown after the next post. You might only ever see true spam maybe 4 or 5 times a day. Or force the person to redo the post uniquely EVERY time they post if with certain unique content % cut offs. These cut offs could be raised or lowered by CCP internally for players or situations.
Such things like contracts and other spam, which is the majority, is rather difficult to redo uniquely as they are all just cut and paste or ctrl +up arrow enter.
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Jacques d'Orleans
3070
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Posted - 2017.04.03 13:54:30 -
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Yebo Lakatosh wrote:So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?
Always the same whine just a different gravy.
Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
575
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:08:16 -
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Yebo Lakatosh wrote:So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?
Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.
#rocklivesmatter
Yes scammers need their income too, I mine on occasion but almost never sell ore or minerals, my income is mostly derived from selling goods and ships, selling raw materials is mostly a no, I pay for my account instead of grinding to plex it because it keeps the lights on at CCP.
Plus it free's me up to do what I want when I want, normally for me I do different activities everyday it just depends on my mood or goal I have, just so people know I do normally run with local closed so nah Jita doesn't really bother me and I have no problem with scammers as I do miss a player called 'pricecheck Tony' he was a funny guy in Jita. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2118
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:11:49 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Just block the annoying ones that spam the same rip off contract every 3 seconds.
Eventually Local chat will clean up and then you can converse with other players.
DMC There was people advising against blocking people. Somehow being blocked helps with checking online status of person.
High-sec mercs can describe it better.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
1157
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:17:19 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Every other system in the game the local chat is boring/no existent. You've never been in local with me, have you?
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
575
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:23:03 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Every other system in the game the local chat is boring/no existent. You've never been in local with me, have you?
There are a few systems that I fly through to be familiar with some of the flora and fauna of characters, some are amusing to watch others are just living out fantasies in their megalomania dreams and I do tend to bookmark those folks who stand out, yeah there's some live ones out there. |
Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:31:22 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Yebo Lakatosh wrote:So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?
Always the same whine just a different gravy. Yeah, but this time it's suggested for aesthetic reasons.
They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2724
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Posted - 2017.04.03 14:43:01 -
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Yebo Lakatosh wrote:So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?
Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.
#rocklivesmatter Bots are not people... Yet
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10697
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Posted - 2017.04.03 15:05:40 -
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Quote:Should CCP look at limiting Jita local chat to 2 post per??? I can't think of a bigger waste of coders time. Even if it only took three minutes to write the scripts.
Jita local in not bottlenecked by the amount of spam, it's bottlenecked by the speed it can be posted. It would scroll by just as fast if there was a two post limit simply due to the shear amount of player/bots posting.
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Conrad Makbure
Trident Expedition
128
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Posted - 2017.04.03 23:38:11 -
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Piugattuk wrote:Jita has been and still thee worst place for spam posts, while sometimes amusing maybe it's time to cap local in Jita to a maximum amount of posts per player similar to the timer thing when you jettison a can and have to wait to jettison another.
We have the ability to have channels so maybe its time to use them, or maybe a Jita merchant channel that pops up just like the incursion channel does and still cap local so spam is not easy, if its important enough people can always have private chats that are completely unlimited, anyway any ideals?
I don't think max post per player will solve anything, what they should look at is what's been mentioned before in the past and I'll mention it again: shut down local chat - not just in Jita, all game-wide. Local is 98% just spam and sh!t talking. The other 2% usually ends with going to a player-made channel or one of the alternate game channels.
Really, it's the dumbest thing I've ever seen, it's pure garbage chat content, not to mention a b/s source of intel that is hard pressed to justify other than 'technical limitations'. Technical limitations my ass. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
30508
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Posted - 2017.04.04 06:40:09 -
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Well, I remember such thread emerged years ago and was considerably long. Full of different ideas. But nothing was made on CCP side, as if they would not care at all. =ƒÿ¢
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1524
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Posted - 2017.04.04 22:27:56 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Just block the annoying ones that spam the same rip off contract every 3 seconds.
Eventually Local chat will clean up and then you can converse with other players.
DMC Jita is no different from other locations. Once the spammers are blocked, local gets very, very quiet...
Remove standings and insurance.
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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
168
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Posted - 2017.04.05 11:37:29 -
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Why would u go there unless you have to?
once in a while i go there to pick up a bunch of stuff, cuz it saves me millions.
But i'm always glad when i enter the jumpgate out.
Jita is the biggest hellhole in eve and all you people know it, allthough some of u will never admit it |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
470
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Posted - 2017.04.05 17:07:09 -
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Piugattuk wrote:Yebo Lakatosh wrote:So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?
Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.
#rocklivesmatter Yes scammers need their income too, I mine on occasion but almost never sell ore or minerals, my income is mostly derived from selling goods and ships, selling raw materials is mostly a no, I pay for my account instead of grinding to plex it because it keeps the lights on at CCP.
Considering that people who plex their accounts put more money in ccp's pocket, and thus do more to 'keep the lights on' than someone who pays via subscription. the very fact that you have some weird elitist view of paying vs plexing, shows you have zero idea of how even the most basic aspects of the eve economy works, and thus any changes you propose that would influence that economy are null and void. |
Zeke Harthura
Templis Training Academy Templis CALSF
2
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Posted - 2017.04.05 19:26:40 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Piugattuk wrote:Yebo Lakatosh wrote:So you propose to severly cripple the income of a group of players with a certain occupation... for you dislike it?
Can I also propose to limit the income of mining to 10 mil ISK/hour? I never mined, and I don't hold miners in the highest regard, so I think my idea is very good.
#rocklivesmatter Yes scammers need their income too, I mine on occasion but almost never sell ore or minerals, my income is mostly derived from selling goods and ships, selling raw materials is mostly a no, I pay for my account instead of grinding to plex it because it keeps the lights on at CCP. Considering that people who plex their accounts put more money in ccp's pocket, and thus do more to 'keep the lights on' than someone who pays via subscription. the very fact that you have some weird elitist view of paying vs plexing, shows you have zero idea of how even the most basic aspects of the eve economy works, and thus any changes you propose that would influence that economy are null and void.
He never said anything about being better than someone grinding for a plex bro. Maybe you should re-think who the elitist really is?
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2777
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Posted - 2017.04.05 19:40:17 -
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Make Yulai Great Again! #MYGA
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
30623
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Posted - 2017.04.05 20:49:43 -
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Af course you can always change chanel to not be tempted to click all those amazing last chance contracts in local, and dont even get me started on all those desperate people wanting only to double your ISK. Your loss.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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