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Gunner
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
11
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Posted - 2017.03.22 19:58:07 -
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Isn't it very likely many low end moons will not see any refinery in orbit as long as they live?
One isn't going through all this trouble for Carbides, or moon goo prices must skyrocket in general.
I guess all inventors will have to find a mining job lol. |
John McCreedy
Eve Defence Force IT'S ONLY PIXELS
231
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:02:04 -
[152] - Quote
My initial thoughts on these proposed changes are that it penalises small, specialised corporations and alliances whilst simultaneously making a lot easier for the larger alliances with support networks, either rental alliances or diversified memberships. More money going to the select few which exacerbates the problems in Eve.
My corporation has a modest moon mining operation. It pays the bills and limited SRP for our members. We are not rich to begin with and, being specialised as PvP, make less per month than your average incursion runner makes in a day. Similarly, our Alliance isn't big. like us it's specialised along PvP lines. We don't have copious amounts of Titans, our R64s pay for a modest SRP programme to help everyone enjoy doing what they do.
We now need to diversify and find miners. Miners aren't going to mine for nothing so our already modest income is going to take a significant hit. It means we become less attractive for players than larger alliances whose income will barely be affected with this proposed change. If lots of small, independant alliances go under and all Eve is left with is large power blocs, then the game stagnates which not only does that undermine what the new sov attempted to achieve but how is it possibly going to be healthy for the game.
I understand what you're trying to achieve here and I'm fully onboard with having more people in space, it's what the game's desperately needed for years now, but that has to be balanced against the harm you're going to do to those who don't want to be part of major power blocs. You need to find some way to shift the balance of income so it's spread out more evenly across a more diverse player base rather than trying to force square pegs into round holes.
13 years and counting. Eve Defence Force is recruiting.
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walker260
new eden regimental navy Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:03:57 -
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I love the new ideas on the structures! Awesome. But One thing that I think should be discussed is the ability for these refining structures to use the "Excavator" drones like the Rorqual can. Mediums can use 5. Large scan use 10?? This sounds like a good idea to me. Then whoever is in control of the structure during mining ops can actually mine too! And would help cover these large amounts of moon mining that will need done! ( with the same Siege mode Yield as Rorqual too) |
zluq zabaa
Inhumanum Legionis LowSechnaya Sholupen
32
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:03:58 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Xenuria wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:> We will be issuing appropriate compensation for owners of any rigs that have their build costs reduced.
Someone please check if CSM profiteers have manipulated this market and bought a massive amount of rigs 3 days ago as well. Hi, I am Xenuria. I am on the CSM and I don't know how to market manipulate. Are there specific people on the CSM who you are alleging of misdeeds or just the institution as a whole? Accusing somebody barely capable of basic addition and subtraction of market manipulation is kind of stupid. Your trolling gets progressively worse.
Suggesting that EVE Players who get the opportunity to use exclusive knowledge to gain a personal advantage would do so? Hm, that can't be true. This is a game full of honest people and the CSM members are the most trustworthy of us. After all they are bound by CSM-mechanics to actually be the players voice instead of just using the CSM to lobby CCP in their own best interest! None of them of would ever ever ever ever talk to their best in-game mate about what to buy or sell right now. And CSM candidates are not counting on voting-support by their Alliances because everyone knows it will give them a Spai @ CCP. How dare you even suggest such a thing, you rabble-rouser! |
Leo Augustus
Rolex Classic FUBAR.
17
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:05:41 -
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That moon goo would have to be astronomically lucrative to bother trying to steal it. Think like vital core deposit x 5.
Mining is not fun. It's what you do to get started in the game and if it's your thing, you skill into a Rorq.
I do have to give credit for Rorqs and excavators. A fine example of making a living wage available to the dedicated single account miner.
Now put him at a set place at a set time... fun fun.
You can't escape isk per hour. Going 22 jumps for a prospect full of ore aint gonna happen and everyone is going to have more than enough mining that has to be done in their own systems to bother fleeting to someone else's to mine.
I want to play on my main account! Yeah, I'll sub a few alts for cynos or trade, but multibox mining, multi-box indy, multi-box anything really is not fun. You do it because you have to.
Just let me collect my moon stuffs from my pos's (or new cit-thingie) on my main so when I hear there's a fight going on, I dock, reship, and go. I can talk in alliance and people know who the hell I am. Why the need for three accounts to run 30 reactions when one account can now?
Why open up reacting to every Tom, ****, and Harry who can buy a bpo? It just adds another step to the t2 process.. react mats, build components, build ships instead of just starting from building components. This is fun? To what end? The moon guy had a role to play in his alliance, like the FC, the indy director, etc.. now we're all gonna be miners :(
This does not stop the rich from getting richer. Massive multibox fleets of alts that don't care about their killboards will mine these rocks relatively undefended and the ship losses added to a spreadsheet and accounted for in the sell price. Cost of doing business.
Everyone go to Jita and fire your mining lasers at the monument. NO MORE MINING
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Xenuria
1116
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:06:52 -
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zluq zabaa wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:Xenuria wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:> We will be issuing appropriate compensation for owners of any rigs that have their build costs reduced.
Someone please check if CSM profiteers have manipulated this market and bought a massive amount of rigs 3 days ago as well. Hi, I am Xenuria. I am on the CSM and I don't know how to market manipulate. Are there specific people on the CSM who you are alleging of misdeeds or just the institution as a whole? Accusing somebody barely capable of basic addition and subtraction of market manipulation is kind of stupid. Your trolling gets progressively worse. Suggesting that EVE Players who get the opportunity to use exclusive knowledge to gain a personal advantage would do so? Hm, that can't be true. This is a game full of honest people and the CSM members are the most trustworthy of us. After all they are bound by CSM-mechanics to actually be the players voice instead of just using the CSM to lobby CCP in their own best interest! None of them of would ever ever ever ever talk to their best in-game mate about what to buy or sell right now. And CSM candidates are not counting on voting-support by their Alliances because everyone knows it will give them a Spai @ CCP. How dare you even suggest such a thing, you rabble-rouser!
facepalm...
CSM 12 Candidate
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demolitiona
Angry Rock Killers Inc. Serrice Council.
1
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:08:46 -
[157] - Quote
Lots... and lost of questions.
Are there going to be new or special modules for mining the moon rocks that come out of the station? What kind of boosts or changes are going to be organically applied to the mining ships? Are there going to be new skills that miners are going to have to train to mine such moon ore? Is there going to be a ship specifically for moon mining? Can this moon ore be compressed? Refined by ninja miners? What kind of general effect is expected on the price of moon material when this takes place?
I have more, but I'm still trying to shake the nervousness surrounding the kinds of wars that will result when you pull the POS's out and make them unable to moon mine.
Is there a transition that will take place with these? How do you plan to control this transition effectively without upsetting all of the moon mining networks currently in place?
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Gunner
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
11
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:16:16 -
[158] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:Orca Platypus wrote:> We will be issuing appropriate compensation for owners of any rigs that have their build costs reduced.
Someone please check if CSM profiteers have manipulated this market and bought a massive amount of rigs 3 days ago as well. Hi, I am Xenuria. I am on the CSM and I don't know how to market manipulate. Are there specific people on the CSM who you are alleging of misdeeds or just the institution as a whole? Accusing somebody barely capable of basic addition and subtraction of market manipulation is kind of stupid.
He only asked if someone could check. Not such a strange thing to ask, considering. |
Gunner
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
11
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:23:25 -
[159] - Quote
Oh, I almost forgot.......can Alpha clones be part of all this sweetness? |
Sar'Duakar
Ghetto Sultans
1
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:23:48 -
[160] - Quote
If all the current miner's are busy mining the regular stuff. Veldspar, Scordite etc, who the hell is going to mine the new moon goo?
I'll be damned if i am giving up what little time I have to pvp, to now mine to line someone else's pockets.
12 Years of playing, I make my isk through reaction's. Sometimes moon mining. Your now telling me I have to recruit X amount of people into my corp, to mine, to line my own pockets to fund my pvp? And thats after I've invested maybe billions(?) into a Citadel that by the end of the week could be blown up by the big aliance next door, purley for *****, giggles and KB stats?
That will go down like a ton of bricks.
Was any consideration to the little guy given in this "idea"?? |
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Centurax
Eve Engineering Authority Eve Engineering
77
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:29:22 -
[161] - Quote
Moon Drilling/Mining in Wormholes and even High Sec please, that would be really amazing for the game new content for all is what we are looking for.
Even if the materials are restricted in High Sec to what are currently R8, R16 and Gases I don't see that necessary breaking the market seeing as someone has to mine it unlike the current press start and wait..
WHs are prefect for this type of mining, also more content for everyone, and I don't just mean the miners .
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mkint
1669
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:48:33 -
[162] - Quote
Hooray, even stricter dividing lines between the mega-alliance-null-stagnation and the 90%-of-the-playerbase! Exactly what this game needed! The barriers of entry to go from difficult to impossible! awesome!
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Lunarstorm95
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas. Alliance
46
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:53:31 -
[163] - Quote
John McCreedy wrote:My initial thoughts on these proposed changes are that it penalises small, specialised corporations and alliances whilst simultaneously making a lot easier for the larger alliances with support networks, either rental alliances or diversified memberships. More money going to the select few which exacerbates the problems in Eve.
My corporation has a modest moon mining operation. It pays the bills and limited SRP for our members. We are not rich to begin with and, being specialised as PvP, make less per month than your average incursion runner makes in a day. Similarly, our Alliance isn't big. like us it's specialised along PvP lines. We don't have copious amounts of Titans, our R64s pay for a modest SRP programme to help everyone enjoy doing what they do.
We now need to diversify and find miners. Miners aren't going to mine for nothing so our already modest income is going to take a significant hit. It means we become less attractive for players than larger alliances whose income will barely be affected with this proposed change. If lots of small, independant alliances go under and all Eve is left with is large power blocs, then the game stagnates which not only does that undermine what the new sov attempted to achieve but how is it possibly going to be healthy for the game.
I understand what you're trying to achieve here and I'm fully onboard with having more people in space, it's what the game's desperately needed for years now, but that has to be balanced against the harm you're going to do to those who don't want to be part of major power blocs. You need to find some way to shift the balance of income so it's spread out more evenly across a more diverse player base rather than trying to force square pegs into round holes.
My point exactly, but its downed out by the random 3 man groups who now are super excited about grabbing there 1 money moon, while med sized alliance die over funding because we cant chuck 3/4 of our member base into mining fleets.
GÇ£You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.GÇ¥
GÇò Robert A. Heinlein
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance."
GÇò Confucius-á
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Lunarstorm95
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas. Alliance
46
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:54:54 -
[164] - Quote
John McCreedy wrote:My initial thoughts on these proposed changes are that it penalises small, specialised corporations and alliances whilst simultaneously making a lot easier for the larger alliances with support networks, either rental alliances or diversified memberships. More money going to the select few which exacerbates the problems in Eve.
My corporation has a modest moon mining operation. It pays the bills and limited SRP for our members. We are not rich to begin with and, being specialised as PvP, make less per month than your average incursion runner makes in a day. Similarly, our Alliance isn't big. like us it's specialised along PvP lines. We don't have copious amounts of Titans, our R64s pay for a modest SRP programme to help everyone enjoy doing what they do.
We now need to diversify and find miners. Miners aren't going to mine for nothing so our already modest income is going to take a significant hit. It means we become less attractive for players than larger alliances whose income will barely be affected with this proposed change. If lots of small, independant alliances go under and all Eve is left with is large power blocs, then the game stagnates which not only does that undermine what the new sov attempted to achieve but how is it possibly going to be healthy for the game.
I understand what you're trying to achieve here and I'm fully onboard with having more people in space, it's what the game's desperately needed for years now, but that has to be balanced against the harm you're going to do to those who don't want to be part of major power blocs. You need to find some way to shift the balance of income so it's spread out more evenly across a more diverse player base rather than trying to force square pegs into round holes.
My point exactly, but its downed out by all the random 3 man groups who now are super excited about grabbing there 1 money moon, while med sized alliance die over funding because we cant chuck 3/4 of our member base into mining fleets.
GÇ£You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.GÇ¥
GÇò Robert A. Heinlein
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance."
GÇò Confucius-á
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2758
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Posted - 2017.03.22 20:57:45 -
[165] - Quote
mkint wrote:Hooray, even stricter dividing lines between the mega-alliance-null-stagnation and the 90%-of-the-playerbase! Exactly what this game needed! The barriers of entry to go from difficult to impossible! awesome!
So the large number of moons being freed up because of a need for active mining is somehow going to make "stagnation" worse?
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Ryder 'ook
Angry Angels Core Cohortes Triarii
147
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:00:47 -
[166] - Quote
When I read about these changes, a couple of thoughts crossed my mind.
Might it be prudent to actually befriend a few of those looked-down-upon carebears from highsec and talk them into moon mining operations while actually actively protecting them during said operations?
Could it be possible that the walls of contempt between the different playstyles will start to crumble? A little bit at least? Respect a miner? If only because he ensures your continued SRP?
All of this will make sense only if CCP reshuffles and slightly adjusts the material compositions between different regions and moons, of course. That way, given the fact that many many moons will become ripe for harvest every day, they can't all be blobbed and blocked but there will be a fuckton of emergent gameplay flowing from it. In many regions. All the time. Sounds good, doesn't it? Don't wanna mine? - Protect a miner!
It could all tank horribly. But it could also be a pretty cool thing.
Personally, I'm looking forward to it. Change is good!
Every atom in our bodies was forged in the furnace of ancient stars - it's time we return home.
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
441
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:05:01 -
[167] - Quote
Will I be able to get multiple moon materials from one moon with the changes? For example, will a Dysprosium moon spawn rocks that yield only Dysprosium, or will they refine into multiple minerals, such as Titanium or Technetium as well? Will I be able to get small amounts of rarer moons from a lower-tier moon? Will there be new mining crystals for these moon materials?
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Hoshi
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
58
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:07:13 -
[168] - Quote
Querns wrote:mkint wrote:Hooray, even stricter dividing lines between the mega-alliance-null-stagnation and the 90%-of-the-playerbase! Exactly what this game needed! The barriers of entry to go from difficult to impossible! awesome! So the large number of moons being freed up because of a need for active mining is somehow going to make "stagnation" worse? I do see a future where several of the large blocks like PL and Goons actively going around with their supers and killing drilling refineries just to stop others from gaining utilizing those moons that they don't want to use themselves.
"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."
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Leo Augustus
Rolex Classic FUBAR.
17
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:13:45 -
[169] - Quote
Moons won't be "freed up." It's just more tedium to extract the goodies.
Anyone planning on taking a fleet of hulks into PL space to mine under their cit's guns, nm their fleet?
Sign me up for that.. lol.
It just adds another layer to the tt2 process, so the real winners will be mission runners and anyone who hunts faction bpc's, since they're basically all superior to t2 anyhow.
In fact, there's no point to even having basic or intermediate moon mats if all that has to be done to refine them is run a bpo, aside from eating up finite industry.... errr... reaction slots and forcing alts into the reacting business.
Also kills any efficiencies one might gain by running a complex reaction at a moon that produces an ingredient for a mid-range input. It ALL has to be mined and built like t2 components.
If we're gonna have to mine it, at least cut out the two bullcrud steps of basic and intermediate and just have Crystalline Carbide and Ferrogel moons... ok, so maybe unrefined ferrogel...
But seriously, the point to adding two more steps to t2 production is what again? And adding mining to a production process that has never relied heavily on it?
Would be an easier pill to swallow if the goal was clear. Is the goal to see people who hate mining but are forced to die horribly?
You know what used to generate meaningful content and pvp? SOV warfare... that is until it was turned into mining.... errrr.. entosisisng |
Lobo de Madera
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:17:32 -
[170] - Quote
Another sad day for EVE ONLINE!
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
2105
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:17:34 -
[171] - Quote
Timers and alarm clock ops. Because CCP knows we love that stuff.
Alternatively it could be called "we can't think of an actual game mechanic, so here, have more timers". |
Leo Augustus
Rolex Classic FUBAR.
17
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:22:53 -
[172] - Quote
Alright miners...
Alliance needs a ship-ton of evaporite deposits and atmospheric gases cuz you slackers haven't been meeting quotas.
How many times have I told you all not to cherry pick the high-value moon mats, or the ores worth 20 times more like scordite?
MANDATORY mining op now, paying 80% of Jita Buy... |
Nivek Steyer
CPE1704TKS SWARTA.
36
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:27:34 -
[173] - Quote
Centurax wrote:Moon Drilling/Mining in Wormholes and even High Sec please, that would be really amazing for the game new content for all is what we are looking for. Even if the materials are restricted in High Sec to what are currently R8, R16 and Gases I don't see that necessary breaking the market seeing as someone has to mine it unlike the current press start and wait.. WHs are prefect for this type of mining, also more content for everyone, and I don't just mean the miners .
I must agree. Allow WH and HS to do this as well. There is absolutely no reason not to allow the content across the platform. I know CCP is so concerned about T2 prices. Whatever happened to the T2 were originally supped to cost 2x at T1. I remember that. All moon mining became in reality was the passive cash cow. Would be nice for once, for the content to go across the cluster instead of just to null sec, cause in the end that is where it will happen majority of the time. CCP please give the content across the cluster, we need more life in the game not limitation to if your in a special alliance or null sec only. Cheers and I hope that we see the content for all to enjoy and prey upon.
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El Criscado
Mongorian Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:38:30 -
[174] - Quote
I don't see a problem with this. The vast amount of AFK mining that happens with moons will be replaced with something that requires interaction, which will force major null alliances to either recruit carebears or they will have to shrink their borders. All in all, not a bad change. |
zluq zabaa
Inhumanum Legionis LowSechnaya Sholupen
32
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:40:15 -
[175] - Quote
I find it seriously funny how in a Universe in which we can use Structures to build other such Structures and Spaceships of immense complexity we still have to take the pickaxe (be it the cool T2 pickaxe for all I care) in our hands to acquire basic materials. The new Structures will be able to somehow disconnect a large piece of an astronomic entity with serious gravitational powers and "beam it up", somehow make that huge piece explode into perfectly digestable smaller pieces, but for some reason beyond my understanding of logic it cannot go the next step and do what a Venture can do. |
Gyges Skyeye
Dissidence Dawn The-Culture
41
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:40:57 -
[176] - Quote
Hoshi wrote:Querns wrote:mkint wrote:Hooray, even stricter dividing lines between the mega-alliance-null-stagnation and the 90%-of-the-playerbase! Exactly what this game needed! The barriers of entry to go from difficult to impossible! awesome! So the large number of moons being freed up because of a need for active mining is somehow going to make "stagnation" worse? I do see a future where several of the large blocks like PL and Goons actively going around with their supers and killing drilling refineries just to stop others from gaining utilizing those moons that they don't want to use themselves.
This would actually be nice in the way of exposing those supers/titans to be ambushed each time.
The most forgotten fact of Eve is that it's universe is mostly empty. Pick a well known populated system and go 5 jumps. There's a good chance you have the place to yourself or nearly so. If your playing at off peak times, almost certainly so. They can't possibly keep it all under their control.
Cluster wide hegemony is definitely a thing to be concerned of, but outside of Serenity where botting is basically legal, there just isn't enough sheer manpower to make it happen. This whole change is aimed at -increasing- the labor hours required to make things. Which does entrench the haves (who got their stuff before increased labor hours) but it also makes it much harder for the haves to become 'have all's that you fear. |
Gyges Skyeye
Dissidence Dawn The-Culture
41
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:45:45 -
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Thoughts #1:
Any time we can move player driven gameplay and organized events into scheduled timers is a good thing. Those timers act like Fish Aggregating Devices (FADs) (Gosh you need to backronym this into something in game) bringing players together for content.
Sub thoughts: 1. Any methods we can use, within reason, to expose these timers in a moderately aggregated and anonymized way, displayed in game, will be extremely valuable in guiding players towards content. Emphasis on within reason. A new map stat GÇô Fracking Activity Detected, simply giving a regional (or at worst constellation) count of ongoing fracking processes, would probably suffice.
Thoughts #2: Given how moon mining is becoming an active process, us players will need to take new approaches to organizing and disrupting these activities and will need new tools to be creative in doing so.
Potential Organizational Ideas: 1. First on the subject of asteroid layout in these moon belts; letGÇÖs make this process more dynamic, avoiding straight forward min-max theory from developing, leaving room for expression of player skill, and allowing room for accidents to happen.
How? Billiards! We can use the new fighter interface and tactical camera to have a simple minigame where we line up and shoot the detonation charge at the rotating moon chunk. The simplified ballistics of which determines where our new asteroids will land. Gives us a new belt layout every time. LetGÇÖs practiced demolitions operators kind of keep belts closer to safety, lets inexperienced demolitions operators cause hilarity. Plus, it will look cool.
2. Before CCP took itGÇÖs own direction with Rorquals I had an idea that they should be transformed into a platform for horizontally scaling mining architecture rather than the new apex miner that they were reworked into (which meant that everyone just mines in rorquals now *frowny face*). Now that refineries will be on grid with the moon belts in what is intended to be a collaborative gameplay, we can consider inserting those features here. My idea was to introduce mining service drones that provided utility rather than raw mining stats. That utility could be applied in the form of increasing quality of life for mining ships and thus their *applied* mining rates, rather than just stat boosting the max rates which would cause the markets to crash(*hmm*).
Mining service drones: (fighter sized things) A. Retrieval Drone: Scoops out ore from the target shipGÇÖs cargo and ore holds, (potentially compressing it,) and returns this ore to the mothershipGÇÖs own stores. Requires no consent allowing use offensively and defensively. Streamlines the process of jet can mining and saves the lives of PvPers forced to join Mining CTAs.
(note these were thought of long before PANIC was a thing) B.) Warp Core Boosting drone: A drone that gives the target an additional +n points of warp strength to target ship. An anti-point. C.) Sacrificial auxiliary shield drone: Consumable one use drones that add grey health/overshields to target. C.b)Sacrifical PANIC drone: Consumable one use drone that gives a short PANIC duration to the target. Might be the more modern way of doing it.
3. Ledgers: These will be a net GÇÿgood thingGÇÖ. However, IGÇÖm not sure that ninja mining showing up on these ledgers is the best idea. Detectable siphons made them pointless. Punch card mining logs will do the same to ninja mining. There are a few options I can think of for addressing it. Each has their own pros and cons.
A.) Make ledgers operate from a reciprocally validated Access List. WouldnGÇÖt track ninja mines. This has the potential to get unwieldy fast. Especially for NRDS organizations like Provibloc.
B.) Make ledgers operate from proposed Retrieval Drones. This lets collection and tracking of ore be handled in one step. Any ore some ninja warps off or docks with goes untracked, and unpaid. Probably the most convenient for all parties. However it operates under the assumption of the implementation of Retrieval Drones and presence of a Refinery (or drone user) in the mining op.
C.) Put ledgers into the Ihubs themselves. This would be a catch all that covers ice and ore anoms. However this can be untenable for renters who are stuck waiting on landlord bureaucracy to find out the results of their ledger.
*disruptive ideas to come in another post later.
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Gabriel Karade
Noir. Mercenary Coalition
324
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:49:25 -
[178] - Quote
Curious as to how it's going to work with all the 'crap' materials, the silicates, atmospheric gases etc, that underpin reactions - are people going to want to mine those? or will they be just contained in lots of the ore types from the moon crust as by-products?
War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
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Lunarstorm95
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas. Alliance
48
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Posted - 2017.03.22 21:50:34 -
[179] - Quote
Querns wrote:mkint wrote:Hooray, even stricter dividing lines between the mega-alliance-null-stagnation and the 90%-of-the-playerbase! Exactly what this game needed! The barriers of entry to go from difficult to impossible! awesome! So the large number of moons being freed up because of a need for active mining is somehow going to make "stagnation" worse?
I don't know what you don't get... in theory maybe but no one will be able to harvest them in enough capacity to matter.....
GÇ£You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.GÇ¥
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"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance."
GÇò Confucius-á
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
542
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Posted - 2017.03.22 22:01:11 -
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as others have mentioned including myself.. ccp just caused one hell of a headache for t2 production.
you guys need to nerf ccp rise's favorite faction crap because now you just killed t2 production and are making t2 ships and its mod even more expensive than ever before.
smh.. i cant believe these dudes came up with this process. |
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