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Nymos
Haiduken Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.29 21:53:00 -
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let's assume I install a job for ME research that takes 11 days since you won't need it for a while. suddenly someone buys all your bpcs and you want to cancel the research job and put it into the copy slot. that works, but the ME research slot will still be busy for 11 days.
WTF!?
does anyone have an idea why this has been that way for ages? i have bug reported it about a year ago. twice. i understand you lose materials you put in production, but why is the line still busy?
the best thing is, I put in a petition to get that slot back. after 5 days I just cancelled it. petition response times are really ridiculous. maybe someone would have answered a few days after the slot became available again by itself... but that's a different topic. --
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Vanye Inovske
Two Brothers Mining Corp. The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.04.29 22:18:00 -
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It's not a bug. It's to prevent people from camping slots. Otherwise you would queue up some research on a slot and then add a couple max duration jobs onto that slot. Then when the real research was done, you'd cancel those phony jobs, queue up more real research, and tack the phony ones on the end again. A public slot, reserved entirely for yourself.
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Scordef
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Posted - 2007.04.30 03:00:00 -
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The problem with this is that it's also applied to POS labs, which it really shouldn't. We own the POS already so why should we also get penalised.
CCP and logic are mutually exlusive.
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Eamon Wouk
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Posted - 2007.04.30 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Scordef The problem with this is that it's also applied to POS labs, which it really shouldn't. We own the POS already so why should we also get penalised.
CCP and logic are mutually exlusive.
It probably just uses the same code. You can get around it by hauling the lab back to station and repackaging it, but that is a pain.
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Nymos
Haiduken Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.30 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vanye Inovske It's not a bug. It's to prevent people from camping slots. Otherwise you would queue up some research on a slot and then add a couple max duration jobs onto that slot. Then when the real research was done, you'd cancel those phony jobs, queue up more real research, and tack the phony ones on the end again. A public slot, reserved entirely for yourself.
camping slots might be bad, but it's probably worse if someone installs his thorn rocket bpo in every slot he can find for max runs and then cancels it. it really needs to be looked into, doesn't make a lot of sense. the public research slots are useless anyway with waiting times of a month. please fix the mobile labs at least :( --
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Dominique DuLion
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Posted - 2007.04.30 14:26:00 -
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Please fix mobile labs. I was just stupid enough take a bpo out of research and wasted a slot. Yes, the warning came up, but I thought, No way would they do this on a mobile lab... you own it afterall! Yes, they did.
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Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2007.05.01 18:00:00 -
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Doesnt this also allow one player to occupy all 50 slots in an NPC station?
if you put a shuttle BPO in a factory or lab and set it to run for a month then cancel and repeat for each slot you can occupy the entire place to deny anyone else the usage.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.05.02 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zaphroid Eulthran Doesnt this also allow one player to occupy all 50 slots in an NPC station?
if you put a shuttle BPO in a factory or lab and set it to run for a month then cancel and repeat for each slot you can occupy the entire place to deny anyone else the usage.
Yes this is true. Altho it's supposed to adjust price (broken atm) according to lab/falctory load. Anyway - you will lose materials / rent when you cansel so from CCP side it must look like balanced stuff. Not that nuking any possible competition for only 5 mil and reasonable pile of tritanium with shuttles would be bad deal. Altho that would work so cheap only in those stations where rent was low when stations went over to que and slot scheme. Try it in Jita and you would face a lot higher bill for your luxury of nuking one station for month.
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Mydrial Jacor
Amarr Imperial Tech Imperial Research
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Posted - 2007.05.02 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: Zaphroid Eulthran Doesnt this also allow one player to occupy all 50 slots in an NPC station?
if you put a shuttle BPO in a factory or lab and set it to run for a month then cancel and repeat for each slot you can occupy the entire place to deny anyone else the usage.
Yes this is true. Altho it's supposed to adjust price (broken atm) according to lab/falctory load. Anyway - you will lose materials / rent when you cansel so from CCP side it must look like balanced stuff. Not that nuking any possible competition for only 5 mil and reasonable pile of tritanium with shuttles would be bad deal. Altho that would work so cheap only in those stations where rent was low when stations went over to que and slot scheme. Try it in Jita and you would face a lot higher bill for your luxury of nuking one station for month.
I do beleive that is actually an exploit. I remember just catching a post where someone was encouraging people to do this and a dev (Wrangler I think) made a response saying they were looking into this characters actions. The tone of the post did not bode well for the player.
If I can find the post I'll put a link in here.
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Zarin
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Posted - 2007.05.02 12:01:00 -
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The main reason it's like this is because of the way it was coded, when they originally changed it from updating every run, to just knowing when a job completed, they just put in the code a field for 'next available time' 'job install time' etc. And then they only need your client to calculate if it's finished etc and the server to check when it's delivered etc. So the server load is very very low, compared to the old system.
Anyway, I guess it would be possible, but might be more difficult than it would seem given how the current system works. On the other hand, I know there have been successful petitions when conquering stations to get the slots cleared. ;)
Alot of slots do realistically have prices too cheap given the demand.
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