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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.04.28 09:59:00 -
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I know i know!!!
From a DEV brainstorming session. --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it? |
Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Return
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Posted - 2007.04.28 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tortilla Smasher Amarr=Wherever Buddha came from tbfh
Off all the big religions in the world, buddhism is by far the one with the least simularities to what the Amarr preach...
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.28 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/04/2007 10:31:47 Oh and shouldn't the topic be "ascend"...i hardly think these five(*cough*six*cough*) races are more primal then their ancestors
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Hannobaal
Gallente Utopian Frontier
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Posted - 2007.04.28 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 28/04/2007 10:37:11
Originally by: SiJira i am still lost how people think caldari is russia ? they arent capitalist at all
Well, the Caldari aren't capitalists in the true sense of Laissez-Faire free market capitalism like the Gallente are. They're more 'State Capitalism', and Russia right now does fit that description.
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Hannobaal
Gallente Utopian Frontier
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Posted - 2007.04.28 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: VanNostrum Pakistan in space
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What the hell does that have to do with anything?
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VanNostrum
The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.28 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: VanNostrum Pakistan in space
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What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Exactly You said "Come to think of it, Minmatar are Hindus. Modern Pakistan are Ammatar." It's just hard to imagine Pakistan a space power
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Minigarch
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Posted - 2007.04.28 10:50:00 -
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Amarr - mix of Americans Anglo-Saxes/Jews. So-called Judeo-Christian civilisation. Gallente - Mediterranean Europe. Spain, France, Italy, some Balcan nations. Caldari - Russian/Japanese/probably Germany. State-controlled economics, be it capitalism or socialism or whatever, secular soft dictatorship, primacy of national over personal inetrests Minmatar - Middle-eastern muslims/South americans/opressed north american black minority.
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sableye
principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:00:00 -
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all races are decended from icelanders after they conqoured the world with there 2 super bridges (seen in the opening movie)
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Hannobaal
Gallente Utopian Frontier
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 28/04/2007 11:00:13
Originally by: VanNostrum
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: VanNostrum Pakistan in space
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What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Exactly You said "Come to think of it, Minmatar are Hindus. Modern Pakistan are Ammatar." It's just hard to imagine Pakistan a space power
By that token, it's hard to imagine anyone on earth traveling outside of our solar system at this time. What is your point?
I wasn't even talking about contemporary events (except for Pakistan). Symbolically, they fit. I mean how else, can we relate any of the Eve races to people on our planet except either linguistically, or symbolically in who is most similar to who?
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VanNostrum
The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: VanNostrum on 28/04/2007 10:57:29
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: VanNostrum
Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: VanNostrum Pakistan in space
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What the hell does that have to do with anything?
Exactly You said "Come to think of it, Minmatar are Hindus. Modern Pakistan are Ammatar." It's just hard to imagine Pakistan a space power
By that token, it's hard to imagine anyone on earth traveling outside of our solar system at this time. What is your point?
doh! nvm
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Hannobaal
Gallente Utopian Frontier
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:03:00 -
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Sorry to have to say it, but you sir are an idiot.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/04/2007 11:26:53
AMARR
Not necessarily from any specific country, group of various Christian-like religious hardliners. Might have descendants of various Europeean countries, former USSR states and the some from the USA. At least, that goes for the main bloodline, Amarr. Khanid are (like their name implies) of mainly Mongolian (and other central-Asian) heritage. I'm a bit hazy on the Ni-kunni.
CALDARI
The current day megacorporation culture (especially that of Japanese megacorporations) seem to be that the corporation is your new country, regardless of your actual country of origin. So, Caldari people aren't specifically descendants of a single "race" or "nation", but the general mindset is definetely Japanese-inspired. Civire and Deteis are pretty "generic", none of them clearly defined... I'd say from all around the western worlds, USA and Europe alike. Achuras are definetely asian, mostly Japanese, maybe some others too.
GALLENTE
While the main bloodline, Gallente is indeed mainly composed of descendants of French settlers, that doesn't mean all Gallente-gallente are French. Especially given their libertarian outlook, they must have had the heaviest "cross-breeding" with other races.
Intaki, I'd have to say are a weird bunch. If I'd have to venture a guess, I'd say they're the descendants of the USA settlers that were neither strongly Christian (those would have gone to the Amarr side) nor loyal to a certain corporation (those would be Caldari). Basically, Intaki are the average American citizen. Yup, Intaki = USA.
As for Jin-mei... Chinese, definitely. Not quite matching ideology-wise (caste system? wth!), but... oh, well, you never know what a long time will do to your nation.
MINMATAR
Again, can't be classed as descendants of any single nation, except maybe Brutor. Brutor, they are the closest to what you'd call "African American". You know, not actually African at all anymore. More like, USA ghetto, most probably. Hey, there's a bit of USA in every EVE "race" it seems.
Sebiestor and Vherokior, no clue what to make of them. Let's just be on the safe side and call them "rebels". You know, people that couldn't fit in with any of the others... again, no specific nation nor race (sebiestor more on the "white USA" and European side, Vherokior more on the "yellow USA" and Asia side), just a rag-tag bunch of people from various places that somehow bonded together because of hardships. ____
P.S.
You can pretty much safely conclude that only a handfull of EVE races actually "descended" from a current-day nation. And those are Gallente-Gallente (French), Caldari-Achura (Japanese), Khanid (Mongolian) and just maybe Gallente-Jin-mei (Chinese).
Everything else is just a big mix, with USA, Europe and Asia present everywhere. Australia... well, wherever it says "western", Australia is included. Sorry, no actual Africa (unless you say some of the Brutor are africans). _ MySkills | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Nefertria Amarriantis
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:41:00 -
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Im not saying any of the people I am going to mention are actual space powers - so lay of the childish comments - I am merely making a cultural comparison from how I see the game. To me the four major races are based on four stages of human civilisations development.
The Minmatar are seemingly based on ancient hunter/gather and pastoral societies such as the Celts, the Picts and the various Native American nations. Based around tribal modes of existence their slavery and subsequent escape from it very in line with a common theme found in a lot of the ancient tribal cultures of our own - oppression from those who deem themselves "more civilised" - symbolised in game by the Amarr.
The Amarr are based on the Roman Empire - ruled by an emperor, steeped in religion, the element of monotheism found in the Amarrian state simply reflects Rome's later shift to Christianity under the rule of Emperor Constantine. Their military application a more complex reflection of Roman military styles, I find the similarities more than enough to make a comparison.
Jumping ahead in history we reach the Caldari, conducive with the totalitarian life of the industrial age - the uniform often seen on various Caldari avatars I feel very much symbolizes the age, with many smatterings of World War II. Regimented, unwavering - the controlling state,all indicative of wartime Germany and cold war Russia.
Lastly we have the Gallente, symbolic very much of the here and now - the pursuit of the senses, the pusuit of pleasure, modernized, technologically advanced and prone to excess - is it no surprise how many players choose Gallente. The various fictional accounts we have of the Gallente very much point to a lifestyle we can all relate to, places not too dissimilar to where we live (admittedly to visit the Crystal Boulevard woiuld be rather good!)
Well - theres my view on the races - I am not saying they are conclusive or correct to anyone else but it is how I view them.
Nefertria
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Nefertria Amarriantis
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 28/04/2007 10:31:47 Oh and shouldn't the topic be "ascend"...i hardly think these five(*cough*six*cough*) races are more primal then their ancestors
A family tree is never done with your ancestors at the bottom, always the top - this is where the reference to descendant comes from - to descend from them at the top. If you wanted to be completely specific about it, each new member of a generation descends (literally, at birth) from the mother - but happen we are getting a tad too tehnical
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.04.28 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ryoji Tanakama on 28/04/2007 11:54:02 Post eve gate humanity would have been to vast to fit modern earth demographics, but on an inspirational level:
Amarr - holy roman empire / germania - high latin and modern christian church influence Minmatar - Northern european and indigenous nort/south american. Tribalistic, warlike and independant. Caldari - hyper capitalism, western europe, USA and Japan. Gallente - hyper democratic, modern middle to western europe.
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 28/04/2007 11:58:09
Originally by: Idara
Originally by: Del Narveux Amarr = Europe/Middle East. Fundamentalism meets absolute monarchy.
Caldari = Japan/America. Theyve got the whole hard-working road to success thing, but also the very Japanese duty to the state and all that. Also a number of Caldari system/NPC names seem to have a bit of an Eastern flair.
Gallente = France. Because the game says so, ps GG CCP for making everyone automatically dislike them.
Minmatar = Africa. The reasons should be real obvious, on a couple of levels.
This is what I'd say exactly.
State before the individual is very Caldari and reflects Japanese work ethic etc
Amarr are definitely Middle Eastern, they're all religious and they all think they're better than everyone else.
Yup, I think this is the closest match so far.
Caldari - corporate work ethic, purely capitalistic, hi-tec, small but strong economy = early Japan + 20th century Japan mixed in with strong US influence as evidenced by the japanese sounding names and the militaristic society (feudal japan)
Gallente - liberal, democratic, nationalistic - NW europe (france is mentioned specifically ofc but it applies to most NW european states (e.g Holland, Belgium, Denmark - possibly also Austria/Switz/Germany ?) Most european countries are very liberal about soft drugs and sex, for example, and europe is definitely democratic - sometimes beaucratically so !
Amarr - Middle-East mix of Christian/Muslim/Egyptian influences as evidence by their monarchy, beautiful stations (think golden mosques), slavery (there is still a 2 tier society in many middle eastern countries and has been in the past) and monotheistic religious conservatism (Judaism, Chrsitainity and Islam all came from the middle east)
Minmatar - The Vikings basically, disorganised tribes who fight amongst themselves but are savage individual warriors who excel at hit and run raids (*****and pillage) into other territories. The original pirates of the hi-seas !
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VanNostrum
The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: VanNostrum on 28/04/2007 11:58:39
Originally by: Hannobaal Sorry to have to say it, but you sir are an idiot.
you're american aren't you?
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Hannobaal
Gallente Utopian Frontier
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cletus Graeme slavery (there is still a 2 tier society in many middle eastern countries and has been in the past)
Not just that, but actual slavery. Slavery is allowed in the Qur'an and it lays out rules for how you should treat slaves. All the big Islamic empires kept and traded slaves well into the late 1800s. Not just from Africa, but also Turks, Slavs, Hindus and many others. Most of the slaves from Africa that Europeans started keeping after the 1500s were bought from African Muslim slave traders.
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VanNostrum
The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Originally by: Cletus Graeme slavery (there is still a 2 tier society in many middle eastern countries and has been in the past)
Not just that, but actual slavery. Slavery is allowed in the Qur'an and it lays out rules for how you should treat slaves. All the big Islamic empires kept and traded slaves well into the late 1800s. Not just from Africa, but also Turks, Slavs, Hindus and many others. Most of the slaves from Africa that Europeans started keeping after the 1500s were bought from African Muslim slave traders.
from a southern state too i presume
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Hannobaal
Gallente Utopian Frontier
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 28/04/2007 11:58:39
Originally by: Hannobaal Sorry to have to say it, but you sir are an idiot.
you're american aren't you?
Being prejudiced is bad. You do know that, don't you?
No, I'm not American (not that I would mind being one).
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VanNostrum
The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal Not just that, but actual slavery. Slavery is allowed in the Qur'an and it lays out rules for how you should treat slaves. All the big Islamic empires kept and traded slaves well into the late 1800s. Not just from Africa, but also Turks, Slavs, Hindus and many others. Most of the slaves from Africa that Europeans started keeping after the 1500s were bought from African Muslim slave traders.
Originally by: Hannobaal Being prejudiced is bad.
Irony police! Arrest this man!
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Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.28 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nefertria Amarriantis Im not saying any of the people I am going to mention are actual space powers - so lay of the childish comments - I am merely making a cultural comparison from how I see the game. To me the four major races are based on four stages of human civilisations development.
The Minmatar are seemingly based on ancient hunter/gather and pastoral societies such as the Celts, the Picts and the various Native American nations. Based around tribal modes of existence their slavery and subsequent escape from it very in line with a common theme found in a lot of the ancient tribal cultures of our own - oppression from those who deem themselves "more civilised" - symbolised in game by the Amarr.
The Amarr are based on the Roman Empire - ruled by an emperor, steeped in religion, the element of monotheism found in the Amarrian state simply reflects Rome's later shift to Christianity under the rule of Emperor Constantine. Their military application a more complex reflection of Roman military styles, I find the similarities more than enough to make a comparison.
Jumping ahead in history we reach the Caldari, conducive with the totalitarian life of the industrial age - the uniform often seen on various Caldari avatars I feel very much symbolizes the age, with many smatterings of World War II. Regimented, unwavering - the controlling state,all indicative of wartime Germany and cold war Russia.
Lastly we have the Gallente, symbolic very much of the here and now - the pursuit of the senses, the pusuit of pleasure, modernized, technologically advanced and prone to excess - is it no surprise how many players choose Gallente. The various fictional accounts we have of the Gallente very much point to a lifestyle we can all relate to, places not too dissimilar to where we live (admittedly to visit the Crystal Boulevard woiuld be rather good!)
Well - theres my view on the races - I am not saying they are conclusive or correct to anyone else but it is how I view them.
Nefertria
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Robinete Broadhead
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.04.28 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 28/04/2007 11:58:39
Originally by: Hannobaal Sorry to have to say it, but you sir are an idiot.
you're american aren't you?
Jealous aren't you. Bet you wish you were here too! Yes, I am an ALT in a NOOB Corp.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.28 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal Edited by: Hannobaal on 28/04/2007 10:37:11
Originally by: SiJira i am still lost how people think caldari is russia ? they arent capitalist at all
Well, the Caldari aren't capitalists in the true sense of Laissez-Faire free market capitalism like the Gallente are. They're more 'State Capitalism', and Russia right now does fit that description.
good point
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RossP Zoyka
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Posted - 2007.04.28 13:38:00 -
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Amarr are American as hell
1.) slavery 2.) Religous orthodoxy (America may not be religious now but was descended from pilgrims!) 3.) "technologicaly advanced" 4.) Imperialistic (if you don't see America as agressively culturally expansive you are blind)
Only knock I can think of is that they are not capitalist.
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VanNostrum
The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.28 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Robinete Broadhead
Originally by: VanNostrum Edited by: VanNostrum on 28/04/2007 11:58:39
Originally by: Hannobaal Sorry to have to say it, but you sir are an idiot.
you're american aren't you?
Jealous aren't you. Bet you wish you were here too!
um..nope? how old are you anyway?
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Zzulu X
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Posted - 2007.04.28 13:52:00 -
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Caldari are the germans
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Hannobaal
Gallente Utopian Frontier
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Posted - 2007.04.28 14:26:00 -
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From a description of the Gallente on this site:
"The Gallenteans. Self-righteous, meddling, pompous and tiresome, or virile liberalists and defenders of the free world. Love them or hate them, you simply can't ignore them. Everybody has an opinion on the Gallente Federation, it all depends from which side of the table you view them. For many, it is the Promised Land, where any dream can become a reality."
How can that fit into any country in existence today except the US?
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Incognus
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.28 15:10:00 -
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I'm locking this here before it gets even more out of hand.
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