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Mattersn2
Out-of-Space Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:04:24 -
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So ... reducing the yield to another 25% but can we decrease the time of a industrial core of 25% too ?? seriously ... if i go with 2 other hulks that can warp nearly instantly out and a rorqual keeps there for 5 mins and does only double of that income ...
that is WAY more RISK than income in my eyes ...
and to keep the mineral prices up bring something like max. 15 industrial cores in range of 600 km .... |
Horus Cherenkov
Zap Blap Mining Co. The Methodical Alliance
1
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:07:12 -
[182] - Quote
Just tossing my opinion on the pile:
I can understand the nerf to yield, and I hate it, but I can understand it. Thats fine.
The PANIC change is so contrived its a little absurd. Just disable Ewar with PANIC. Very simple change. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
706
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:07:27 -
[183] - Quote
So the CSM got a freebie to Iceland..
Then decided to shaft the miners again?
Way to go guys :/
Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..."
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Welcome to EVE.
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Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group
69
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:08:43 -
[184] - Quote
Excavator drone materials to build need to be cut to match the cut in yield. |
Redblazer696
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD The Bastion
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:11:33 -
[185] - Quote
[/quote] I mean he can panic, just not PANIC [/quote]
Your a ********** mate if you think this is even remotely funny you have no idea what your doing as a Dev |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
3059
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:13:38 -
[186] - Quote
While I understand the desire to limit the PANIC module to defensive instead of offensive uses, the mechanic you chose to achieve that end seems rather broken.
Attackers bring EWAR to the belt? No PANIC. Rorq pilot happens to not be actively mining yet still supporting the mining op? No PANIC.
Not to mention...is there any other module in the game that requires a target lock on a particular class of object in order to activate an effect that does nothing to the targeted object? One-off mechanics like this are just bad design.
CCP...scrap this and go back to the drawing board. Surely there is another way to limit PANIC modules to non-combat situations.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
I predicted FAUXs
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Whisperen
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
55
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:13:46 -
[187] - Quote
**** changes disallow tackle during panic just like carriers and NSA's that is it you had one job to do. |
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group
69
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:14:19 -
[188] - Quote
What did the CSM think of this? |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2670
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:14:36 -
[189] - Quote
Bronson Hughes wrote: Attackers bring EWAR to the belt? No PANIC.
Wrong. The Industrial Core provides full EWAR immunity.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Redblazer696
Scumbag Logistics INC PTY LTD The Bastion
1
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:14:49 -
[190] - Quote
CCP Lebowski wrote:Tribal Trogdor wrote:Quote:Initial activation of the PANIC module would require the Rorqual to have an active target lock on an asteroid. So...if you go in and jam a rorq before he panics, he cant panic? that sounds like a pretty bad fix to the problem here I mean he can panic, just not PANIC
Your a ********** mate, To even think this is funny means you dont have what it takes to be a Dev. |
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Tempkin
Angry Rock Killers Inc. Serrice Council.
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:17:34 -
[191] - Quote
Need bigger looking roids. |
Anya Aivora
Sister Margaret's School for Wayward Clones
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:22:00 -
[192] - Quote
Okay so you want rorqs to only use panic when mining.
What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.
You simple could have made them "be within 200km of an asteroid BELT/anom to use panic", and made the anom stick around for 5 minutes at the least to allow rorqs to get out.
You could have made ewar not usable while paniced.
You could have made it so so aggressive actions can be used while paniced.
But no, you go with the one approach that is the most backwards and stupid idea you've ever come up with, and you've had a lot of stupid ideas. (remember when you thought mining drones*rorqual*350mil/hr was a good idea?)
A rorqual can now be killed by a small group with ecm. Or can be killed when still sieged in the belt once you finish mining it out. Well done ccp.
The mining amount for a none sieged rorq was perfect before the first nerf. You should be nerfing the indy core and not the drones.
12+Bil sieged is not an amount worth using for 2.5 hulks worth of ore.
130mil/hr for a 12bil rorq, this is a little over what a perfect hulk got mining before the the expansion If I didn't say it yet, WELL DONE CCP. Hell 2 vni's are a better way of making isk than 2.5 hulks, or 1 rorqual. |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2670
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:22:46 -
[193] - Quote
Anya Aivora wrote: What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.
Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running.
(Times I have repeated this: 3)
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Hlory Gole
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:27:01 -
[194] - Quote
Jura McBain wrote:Thanks for ruining my skill queu and waste my time to sit in a rorqual. YOu make more change more time we waste in learning the skill to use a rorq. I want refund of my sub because i wasted months (money) training something you are nerfing every day. Ans liek some apointed before.
2 hulks 600M 1 Rorq 12B.
Now ,what is the point of mining whit rorqs?
Answer: waste time for learning useless skills. I don't even want to calculate the investment in skills alone. And if CCP continue employing retards, I will have to extract all those skills back. |
Jura McBain
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:27:35 -
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Jura McBain wrote:CCP in August 2016: " Rorqs need love so people will use them again"
CCP in Feb 2017: " Rorqs must be nerf"
CCP are you mad? Please Sthaapppp Sthaapppppp
http://imgur.com/a/FH7XS
ROFL |
clipper shore
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:29:20 -
[196] - Quote
BURN JITTA TILL ALL THE NERFS ARE REVERSED |
Grymwulf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:30:30 -
[197] - Quote
Querns wrote:Anya Aivora wrote: What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.
Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running. (Times I have repeated this: 3)
I've seen this stated, but don't notice anything in the attributes of the Industrial Core that indicate that this ability is granted.
I see -80% resistance bonuses to Sensor Dampener, Remote Assistance Impedance, but nothing regarding ECM.
I'm a jerk.-á Get used to it.
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Vagizzle Schrimshank
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:30:45 -
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Querns wrote:Anya Aivora wrote: What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.
Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running. (Times I have repeated this: 3)
Wrong
Anya statement is entirely correct. If a rorqual is ECM'd it will not be able to PANIC. No where in their statement did they mention the core was on. You are assuming the core is always on.
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Matou83
Core Industry. Blades of Grass
1
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:32:11 -
[199] - Quote
go trash rorqual? serisouly CCP for the trash
continue the direction opinion and **** you for my money |
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group
75
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:32:34 -
[200] - Quote
CCP - Rorquals are OP best put them back where they were before we buffed them. |
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Grymwulf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:35:12 -
[201] - Quote
Grymwulf wrote:Querns wrote:Anya Aivora wrote: What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.
Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running. (Times I have repeated this: 3) I've seen this stated, but don't notice anything in the attributes of the Industrial Core that indicate that this ability is granted. I see -80% resistance bonuses to Sensor Dampener, Remote Assistance Impedance, but nothing regarding ECM.
I just tested it, and you are quite correct - "xxx cannot be influenced by xxx ECM due to its resistances."
Limitation: Industrial Core must be active.
I'm a jerk.-á Get used to it.
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socos
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:36:37 -
[202] - Quote
The worst thing of all this is that CCP needs (again) to balance something that was just redesigned (the rorqual concept).
Next time when they do a major change they need to investigate better what the consequence will be and avoid a situation like this when they have to do 2 nerfs in less then 3 months.
People is investing isk / time / injectors / skills to a patch or a change and the got :scammed: by ccp
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2672
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:37:46 -
[203] - Quote
Grymwulf wrote:Querns wrote:Anya Aivora wrote: What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.
Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running. (Times I have repeated this: 3) I've seen this stated, but don't notice anything in the attributes of the Industrial Core that indicate that this ability is granted. I see -80% resistance bonuses to Sensor Dampener, Remote Assistance Impedance, but nothing regarding ECM. https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/info/?typeid=42890
Hit the attributes tab, scroll all the way to the bottom. ECMResistance 0%. (This value is inverted; 0% means "immune.")
Edit: Saw your post above after I hit submit; more verification is always good!
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2672
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:38:50 -
[204] - Quote
Vagizzle Schrimshank wrote:Querns wrote:Anya Aivora wrote: What you have now done has made it so panic is completely useless. They can't use panic when ecm'd.
Wrong. Industrial cores provide full ECM immunity when running. (Times I have repeated this: 3) Wrong Anya statement is entirely correct. If a rorqual is ECM'd it will not be able to PANIC. No where in their statement did they mention the core was on. You are assuming the core is always on.
If the rorqual is in the belt, it's probably sieged.
The purpose of PANIC is to allow you time to exit siege, so you can catch remote reps from escalating Force Auxiliaries.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Brescal
Therapy. Circle-Of-Two
2
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:41:06 -
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Thank god! this rework couldnt have come fast enough. Having 6-7 accounts in rorquals like some people have is EVIDENCE of a serious imbalance. The mineral market is tanking and afk drone mining with stupid rorquals is busted.
Thank you Fozzie for fixing it :D
and heres a video showing how players are capitalizing on the stupid mining drones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIgpGazqVkI&feature=youtu.be |
Grymwulf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:46:01 -
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Querns wrote:[quote=Grymwulf][quote=Querns] https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/info/?typeid=42890 Hit the attributes tab, scroll all the way to the bottom. ECMResistance 0%. (This value is inverted; 0% means "immune.") Edit: Saw your post above after I hit submit; more verification is always good!
But this just demonstrates the ease of solving it by adding 1 database entry for this item -
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/info/?typeid=41411 "EW Capacitor Need Bonus9999900 %"
So, the choice is allocation of developer time and resources. Write 1 line of SQL code to add an attribute to an itemID *OR* spend many developer man-hours custom programming a solution, additional QA man-hours testing the solution, and additional complexity to an already complex code base.
I wonder which is easier?
I'm a jerk.-á Get used to it.
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Jura McBain
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
7
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:46:32 -
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socos wrote:The worst thing of all this is that CCP needs (again) to balance something that was just redesigned (the rorqual concept).
Next time when they do a major change they need to investigate better what the consequence will be and avoid a situation like this when they have to do 2 nerfs in less then 3 months.
People is investing isk / time / injectors / skills to a patch or a change and the got :scammed: by ccp
http://imgur.com/a/FH7XS |
Penance Toralen
Compass Fox
30
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:46:40 -
[208] - Quote
Querns wrote:Whole lotta folks not twigging to the fact that sieging the rorqual gives you ECM immunity ITT.
I won't comment directly on the nerf, but I do offer this: If the goal here is to help buttress mineral prices, consider taking a look at the mineral basket. (Ask Aryth if you don't understand what this means. Few do.) Decreasing the amount of pyerite and isogen in nullsec anomalies, while increasing mexallon (and to a lesser degree, nocx and mega) will do a lot to help correct the downward trend in minerals.
If you'd like an idea on how mineral prices react in a high-usage market, check the keepstar in 1DQ1-A.
What a load of bollocks. The Mexallon has been intended as a feature of the game several times by the devs. If you want more go wormhole diving. The mineral prices drop because null-sec has reduced dependence on exporting from high-sec. Less demand, same supply, lower price - economics 101. If you are so set on independence then we bring the 90% jump protection to the table of negotiation. There has been plenty of carrots given to null industry, it's now time for sticks.
Perhaps high-sec can have direct access to small amounts Zyd and Mega - why not, you're holding out a hand.
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TheRighteousOne
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:48:26 -
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Two things:
- Make the drones a LOT cheaper to warrant these nerfs because the risk/reward ratio is getting out of control
- Just take away all offensive ecm stuff from the rorq and be done with it. No more complaing about battle rorqs and ppl can still panic as intended
The suggested solution with the locked asteroid is the worst thing i have seen since i started playing this game |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3862
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Posted - 2017.02.23 21:49:33 -
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Querns wrote: If the rorqual is in the belt, it's probably sieged.
The purpose of PANIC is to allow you time to exit siege, so you can catch remote reps from escalating Force Auxiliaries.
Unless it is moving between rocks due to the super slow drone flight speed. If this change to Panic was coming with a massive buff to Excavator speed to enable them to mine asteroids further away, it would be a lot more reasonable, but there are a lot of times where they will not be in siege for whatever reason at which point ECM will stop them using Panic. Simply put, it's a bad mechanic and should be addressed in some other way. |
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