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Tanaka Vinck
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Posted - 2007.04.18 04:33:00 -
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The ore theives in Torrinos have discovered a new exploit, allowing them to get you flagged even if you never touch their jet can after they flip a portion of your ore. If you have an ore theif come to you and take a portion of your ore from your can, DO NOT drag the ore that remains in your jetcan into your cargo hold! You will get flagged and they will be able to blow you up. It happened to me a few days ago, so I logged an alt and tested it, and yes, it's a very easy technique that allows them to basically trick the server into thinking you took the ore from their jet can instead of your own.
I've petitioned it and made a post about it in the "Known Issues" forum, but I wanted the mining community to be aware of it now, before more of us are taken advantage of.
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Salvis Tallan
Gallente The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.18 04:36:00 -
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pffft more reasons not to jetcan mine in empire.... ------
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Lamias
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Posted - 2007.04.18 04:36:00 -
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hmm I'm pretty sure I have been a victim of this too. I hope it gets fixed up fast.
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.04.18 10:07:00 -
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theres more ore thiefs then miners now, wouldnt it be time to introduce a saver way of mining that is atleast a LITTLE bit effective ? GSC are a joke
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Caligulus
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.04.18 11:42:00 -
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Once the next patch hits and Freighters can pick up things from jetcans...who cares? Just mine into a can and pick it up in the frieghter. =O
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.18 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 18/04/2007 11:56:15 So a can gets market as their propery or? And imo it should have been petitioned into Exploit rather than Known issues.
Originally by: Caligulus Once the next patch hits and Freighters can pick up things from jetcans...who cares? Just mine into a can and pick it up in the frieghter. =O
No they won't afaik they will only be able to loot from freighter cans and freighter wrecks.
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.18 13:38:00 -
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Sounds like an exploit. Petition it.
== Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Ione Hunt
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.04.18 14:16:00 -
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Same kind of trick people used to keep enemies aggroed even after they logged off. Get into a NPC'er system, they all SS and log, shoot their cans, the ship will remain in space until they can't keep you aggroed anymore by shooting your cans.
You can petition it, and you'll get your ship back afaik. _______________
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Mortimerxvi
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Posted - 2007.04.18 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Darqion Zenix theres more ore thiefs then miners now, wouldnt it be time to introduce a saver way of mining that is atleast a LITTLE bit effective ? GSC are a joke
I agree, I never used to see ore thiefs. There also appears to be ways for ore thiefs to keep themselves showing as flashing in your overview after the agression counter has reached zero. Near as I can tell, it involves a lot of logging on and off, as the people who have done it to me keep logging on/off a lot. I gave a fair amount of t2 stuff to an ore thief that got CONCORD to do his dirty work this way.
My best jetcan mining technique is to only leave one unit in the can at any time and have my hauler sitting right next to the can. That way any theft pops the can. I drag anything more than a single unit out as fast as I put it in. This has lowered my blood pressure a great deal. As I mine in empire, I use a maxed out Itty V with t1 rigs so that I have 46800 total capacity in the itty (with just the GSCs) I have about 2k left over for crystals for the hulk, salvage room, etc. in the main cargo bay. Since switching to this technique, I don't see to many ore thiefs bugging my squad any more.
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Niton Stormrider
HCD
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Posted - 2007.04.18 18:55:00 -
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Good to know, thanks for the heads up!
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Edsel
Dominus Nihil Development
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Posted - 2007.04.19 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: MortimerxviMy best jetcan mining technique is to only leave one unit in the can at any time and have my hauler sitting right next to the can. That way any theft pops the can.[/quote thats exactly what i did when i had my miners active.
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PHPR Freighter
Minmatar PTS Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.19 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tanaka Vinck The ore theives in Torrinos have discovered a new exploit, allowing them to get you flagged even if you never touch their jet can after they flip a portion of your ore. If you have an ore theif come to you and take a portion of your ore from your can, DO NOT drag the ore that remains in your jetcan into your cargo hold! You will get flagged and they will be able to blow you up. It happened to me a few days ago, so I logged an alt and tested it, and yes, it's a very easy technique that allows them to basically trick the server into thinking you took the ore from their jet can instead of your own.
I've petitioned it and made a post about it in the "Known Issues" forum, but I wanted the mining community to be aware of it now, before more of us are taken advantage of.
Now that I am glad to have a new way to deal with macros... you screw it all up...
but why should you be mining without a AF or Drake nearby covering you and deterring any hope of retalliation...
People like to find ways to protect macros don't they?
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.19 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Petrothian Tong on 19/04/2007 19:31:06 well, guy above me...
errrm High sec, is high sec... is SAFER.. it should means you dont get popped by anyone without concord interfering... (unless you did something stupid...but in this case, is clearly a new bug, since it used to be that whoever stole you can gets SHOT by you and WITHOUT concord interfering.. now is just the opposite way around... its ridiculous. when the theif BEEPS with ya and in addition to not getting any conseqences, he eats your cake too...)
/rant on you have to think... if theres a way to mess with macro, is great.. but NOT WHEN IT BEEPS WITH THE REST OF THE LEGIT MINERS...
you DONT CHOP OFF AN ARM FOR A SPLINTER IN THE FINGER... /rant off
god this witch hunt mentality is getting ridiculous..
but yeah, back to OP, best reason to not jetcan mine, get an hulk, tank the hell out of it.. and ninja mine with 8k m3..
-Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur |
Christopher Dalran
Gallente Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 19/04/2007 20:28:36 Petition it and i guarantee you'll get your ship back, enough people getting hit by this and petitioning will probably get it declared and exploit atleast untill it gets resolved. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
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Edsel
Dominus Nihil Development
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Posted - 2007.04.20 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: PHPR Freighter
Originally by: Tanaka Vinck The ore theives in Torrinos have discovered a new exploit, allowing them to get you flagged even if you never touch their jet can after they flip a portion of your ore. If you have an ore theif come to you and take a portion of your ore from your can, DO NOT drag the ore that remains in your jetcan into your cargo hold! You will get flagged and they will be able to blow you up. It happened to me a few days ago, so I logged an alt and tested it, and yes, it's a very easy technique that allows them to basically trick the server into thinking you took the ore from their jet can instead of your own.
I've petitioned it and made a post about it in the "Known Issues" forum, but I wanted the mining community to be aware of it now, before more of us are taken advantage of.
Now that I am glad to have a new way to deal with macros... you screw it all up...
but why should you be mining without a AF or Drake nearby covering you and deterring any hope of retalliation...
People like to find ways to protect macros don't they?
how is it macroing if you are actually sitting at the keyboard to drag your ore back? it's just griefing.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.20 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Edsel
Originally by: PHPR Freighter
People like to find ways to protect macros don't they?
how is it macroing if you are actually sitting at the keyboard to drag your ore back? it's just griefing.
I think he is refering to ISK farming miners, regardless of them using a macro or not. -AS |
Riho
Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.04.20 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: PHPR Freighter
Originally by: Tanaka Vinck The ore theives in Torrinos have discovered a new exploit, allowing them to get you flagged even if you never touch their jet can after they flip a portion of your ore. If you have an ore theif come to you and take a portion of your ore from your can, DO NOT drag the ore that remains in your jetcan into your cargo hold! You will get flagged and they will be able to blow you up. It happened to me a few days ago, so I logged an alt and tested it, and yes, it's a very easy technique that allows them to basically trick the server into thinking you took the ore from their jet can instead of your own.
I've petitioned it and made a post about it in the "Known Issues" forum, but I wanted the mining community to be aware of it now, before more of us are taken advantage of.
Now that I am glad to have a new way to deal with macros... you screw it all up...
but why should you be mining without a AF or Drake nearby covering you and deterring any hope of retalliation...
People like to find ways to protect macros don't they?
LOL... this IS an exploit... becouse the ore thief hasnt take that ore thats in the your can... and you then take YOUR ore (that the thief hasnt taken from urs) and then u get flagged.. that IS a exploit. i can uderstand if u take it back from them... but u arent... --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog ----------------- |
Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.08.19 22:16:00 -
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Holy Necro Batman.
This bug HAS NOT BEEN FIXED.
I just lost a Badger to it, and I expect that the GMs will treat my petition with the utmost contempt, as they so often do.
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Krav
Egad Inc. Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.20 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands Holy Necro Batman.
That made me lol
Krav =====
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Krytie
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.20 01:20:00 -
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hmmm.... I am a hulk miner, usually, I fill up and carry it back myself OR, I go with a corp mate and he runs it back for me. I hate all of the cans just sitting in asteroid belts, so I really have no remorse for people that just drop cans.
Personally, I say they just keep it the same. As in RL, if the police do not see someone swap it out, then they will have to go with who the agressor it. High sec should not be 101% safe.
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Krav
Egad Inc. Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.20 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Krytie hmmm.... I am a hulk miner, usually, I fill up and carry it back myself OR, I go with a corp mate and he runs it back for me. I hate all of the cans just sitting in asteroid belts, so I really have no remorse for people that just drop cans.
Personally, I say they just keep it the same. As in RL, if the police do not see someone swap it out, then they will have to go with who the agressor it. High sec should not be 101% safe.
high sec isn't, and fixing this bug wouldn't do that, so your point lacks real substance. The thief steals a portion of ore and puts it in their can. if you took from his can, you'd be gankworthy. In this case, you write off that ore and just want what the thief didn't flip, so you grab what remains in your can that the thief never took. However, this bug has left the fingerprints of the thief on the ore like it was his ore and he did flip it, thus you unwittingly allow yourself to be ganked. If this bug hasn't been fixed, I would most certainly say that it should be fixed immediately. It's an exploit that allows the thieves to trick you as you loot what is still yours.
Krav =====
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.08.20 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Krav
Originally by: Gaven Blands Holy Necro Batman.
That made me lol
Krav
This is also an exploit, so petition it.
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Holly Holtz
Caldari Hell's Angels
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Posted - 2007.08.20 11:44:00 -
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Exploit for sure, seen it happen to a Bro the other day!
Ore theives just do it to get their Roids/Rocks off... Can Flippers have got to be the Bottom Feeders of EVE if they do it for a living...LOL! At least in High Sec anyway, don't get mad though, get even it's more fun and rewarding!
Throw in a Cloaked SB or something into the Mix and bait the the Flipper, afterall if the Dude is flying anything decent you may make more selling him his stuff back and may make more profit in doing so...
Kill the Flipper, sell him his stuff back and thank him for making your day....Priceless! Support Your Local Red & White 1 % Filthy Few Space Bikers From Hell Corporation! |
Sachloc Vehemont
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Posted - 2007.08.21 11:43:00 -
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CCP should change the agression timer so that if you have an agression timer going against a person, you can take non-hostile actions against them, like taking from their cans and wrecks without being flagged yourself. Opening fire would obviously be hostile and flag you.
Or maybe prevent moving between cans when you don't own one of the cans. Can still move stolen ore to cargohold and then to your own can, but at 400m3 per swing, it'll be a deterence yet not impossible.
Combining the above won't actually prevent ore theft, but you will need 40000m3 instead of 400m3 to steal 27500m3 ore effectively ... (ie, bring an indy along for the ride)
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voidvim
Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Salvis Tallan pffft more reasons not to jetcan mine in empire....
shame on you this is clearly a exploit and only hurts new pilots
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3Lance
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sachloc Vehemont ...you can take non-hostile actions against them, like taking from their cans and wrecks...
As a thief, I can confirm, STEALING IS A HOSTILE ACTION. Shush.
Also, this bug... I don't believe it, but so many ppl complaining, I'm gonna log my alt and test. My money, however, is on miners being even more daft than I thought.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.22 10:00:00 -
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I dunno, there may be something odd that happens occasionally. Sometimes I've been surprised to get aggro on a miner when he doesn't appear to have attacked me or stolen all (maybe he just stole some?) of my ore. It may be something to do with people trying to move the same pieces of ore at the same time.
A few weeks ago I blew up a miner, but he insisted that he hadn't stolen from my can, and was trying to take from his own can. Maybe he was just clueless?
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3Lance
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.08.22 14:44:00 -
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Well, I've had a few tries with me and my alt, and even with a few passers by, and havn't been able to reproduce it.
Isolated incidents... extraordinary conditions... unless someone finds out what these are, no discussion this this is gonna be meaningful.
And I've talked with a fair few corpies, who do things like this every day. Nobody has ever gotten unexpected agro like this.
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Schani Kratnorr
Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.08.22 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Salvis Tallan pffft more reasons not to jetcan mine in empire....
Yes we should all give in and stop reporting exploits and bugs, that will definately make the game better...
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Francis Inch
Amarr Lightyear Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.23 23:52:00 -
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Been hit by this as well - adding reference to this thread to my petition to try and highlight this issue.
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