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Garrus Valdimir
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.16 17:43:19 -
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Hello folks!
It's been a while since I've played the game as I no longer have a PC, only a laptop whichas you can imagine, isn't the best for running games such as Eve. Which is why I'm your seeking help and advice.
I want to have a go at building a PC and while I've done my research on how physcially build one, I'm lost as to what componenets to buy.
What would you say would be the best parts to buy? I don't want a super computer, nor do I want one that can run several accounts at the same time. I just want a simple desktop that can run Eve with high specs so I can admire the beauty of the game :) I doubt I will be using the desktop for anything other than Eve so not bothered about it being able to run other games, or run multiple applications at the same time.
Thank you all in advance :)
Fly safe!
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virm pasuul
The Congregation No Handlebars.
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Posted - 2016.12.16 17:56:21 -
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Garrus Valdimir wrote:Hello folks!
It's been a while since I've played the game as I no longer have a PC, only a laptop which as you can imagine, isn't the best for running games such as Eve. Which is why I'm seeking your help and advice.
I want to have a go at building a PC and while I've done my research on how physcially build one, I'm lost as to what components to buy.
What would you say would be the best parts to buy? I don't want a super computer, nor do I want one that can run several accounts at the same time. I just want a simple desktop that can run Eve with high specs so I can admire the beauty of the game :) I doubt I will be using the desktop for anything other than Eve so not bothered about it being able to run other games, or run multiple applications at the same time.
Thank you all in advance :)
Fly safe!
Enjoy your first PC build. Find someone close in real life who has done it a few times to help you. Try and get someone neutral who doesn't have prejudices for or against certain hardware manufacturers. If they mention RAID 0 find someone else. Decide a budget. Don't skimp on non sexy components like power supplies. There is no one best system sorry. Try and avoid flashy lights and pointless gizmos, you want good quality simple stuff. Read lots of reviews online of anything you are considering buying. Avoid dodgy software, pay for windows, it works out better for you in the long run. Make sure everything is totally compatible, e.g. processor and motherboard, memory and motherboard, power supply connectors and graphics card. Look for deal and special offers. Buy in the new year if you can, hardware seems to get a lot more expensive before xmas in my opinion. The most important choice you make will be the person who helps and guides you, make sure to get that right.
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Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.12.16 18:06:58 -
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Building your own machine is great, but things to keep in mind are:
1. Know your budget - on the low end of the spectrum of computer builds you will probably pay more for the custom computer than one at the store because you: are buying higher quality parts, have to buy the OS (unless using linux), you will probably be buying a monitor, etc. Please note that the quality of the parts part of that statement is very true. Computers at a best buy, etc. that are cheap have crap for quality (sorry for anyone who works there but it is true). A low end gaming rig at best buy will be sub-500 USD, but a custom built computer will probably run you between 5-700 USD (price estimate includes OS but not mointor, mouse, and keyboard).
When you get into the mid to upper range machines though, that is where you see huge savings. A custom built machine in the 700-1000 USD range will run you the same price or more from the store, and you still are risking inferieor quality parts (I'm looking at you Alienware who was selling powersupplies that were not even remotely good enough for their machines for years).
2. The powersupply is the MOST important part of your machine. The powersupply is the one part of your machine that can kill the rest of it easily. DO NOT get a powersupply that is cheap to save money. Know how much power you need and then get a good one. Opinions vary, but I recommend seasonic powersupplies, but I have heard good things about XFS as well.
3. Eve does not require a lot of graphics power for one account. Eve depends more on the CPU than the graphics card. However, once you start getting to 3+ accounts, unless you have a high end card, you will begin to push it a little with max graphics (gas clouds are aweful in this game). Just because your card can run it does not mean you need it to.
4. Look around at tech forums suggested build lists. I do not know about these forums rules on posting external non-eve links, but if you google this "tech support forum recommended builds" one of the first results should be their site with recommended build lists. You are probably going to want either the AMD or Intel mid-range builds just so the machine stays relevent for a few years. I am not saying those guys are perfect, but they have always given good advise in my opinion and I have used them as a reference point for all my builds.
5. If you can get your hands on a free old desktop, I would practice taking that apart a few times to get the idea how it all works. Anyone who says the practice would not help the first time, is an idiot. Take your time when building it. It can take a couple of hours the first time you build a machine.
TLDR: Quality of your parts is more important than price (to a point obviously). Powersupply is number 1 on the quality list. Eve does not need the best machine, but you might as well get a slightly more costly one so it is decent for a while longer. Number 4 above has my recommendation on where to look for ideas on what to buy. Take your time building and buying the machine.
Finally: Have fun. Once you built your first machine, you will never want to go back to the store again. |
Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.12.16 18:08:03 -
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virm pasuul wrote:
Enjoy your first PC build. Find someone close in real life who has done it a few times to help you. Try and get someone neutral who doesn't have prejudices for or against certain hardware manufacturers. If they mention RAID 0 find someone else. Decide a budget. Don't skimp on non sexy components like power supplies. There is no one best system sorry. Try and avoid flashy lights and pointless gizmos, you want good quality simple stuff. Read lots of reviews online of anything you are considering buying. Avoid dodgy software, pay for windows, it works out better for you in the long run. Make sure everything is totally compatible, e.g. processor and motherboard, memory and motherboard, power supply connectors and graphics card. Look for deal and special offers. Buy in the new year if you can, hardware seems to get a lot more expensive before xmas in my opinion. The most important choice you make will be the person who helps and guides you, make sure to get that right.
Agree with everything said here. He brings up another point I did not add. By buying windows (get the OEM version) yourself, you have not crapware installed on it like when you get it from a store. |
virm pasuul
The Congregation No Handlebars.
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Posted - 2016.12.16 18:14:40 -
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The biggest problem I have seen with someone helping and guiding you - and I have seen this problem several times - is they try to get you to buy what they want. Their needs are different from yours. Avoid like the plague anyone who tells you what to buy without them asking you a ton of question about what YOU want first. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2016.12.16 18:17:20 -
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PCMasterRace/wiki/builds http://pcpartpicker.com/guide/
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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THE PROG
WHAT THE HEK.
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Posted - 2016.12.16 18:33:52 -
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I'll link you probably the most efficient and best PC build you can get for $400, which I just made recently. Will run eve perfectly as well as most other games.
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Garrus Valdimir
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.16 21:17:20 -
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Cheers for the responses guys.
I'm still baffled when it comes to parts though, like what is good and what is not? If I was to follow the 'Recommended System Requirements' on the eve website would you say that I could have it run better if I got some better parts or could I run the game with optimal settings with less than what they're recommending (sounds dumb I know)
As for getting help, I don't really know anyone who's a PC guru so this is going to be a lone venture! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.12.16 21:28:37 -
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There is only one rule for building a system.
Match your components.
No sense putting a 1200w power supply in a system with one drive and one video card. Or a TitanX with a single 1080p monitor. Or an expensive overclockable cpu if your not an overclocker. Or 32GB of Corsair Dominator RAM in a computer that you have no intention of video editing on.
A computer is only as good as its weakest component. So make sure they are as near to each other, performance wise, as possible.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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General Vasheir Gonzales
Leukos Psephos
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Posted - 2016.12.16 21:37:48 -
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If you want a measuring stick, go based on Eve's system requirements.
CCP wrote:
Common
All hardware regardless of platform must support the following minimum requirements:
CPU that supports SSE2 GPU with 256 MB VRAM or more that supports Shader Model 3 that supports DirectX 9.0c Drivers: DirectX 9.0c (included) Audio that is Direct Sound compatible and supports SSE HD: 20 GB free space (or more) Network: ADSL connection (or faster) DVD-ROM: 2x-speed DVD reader (for boxed editions only) The minimum screen resolution for the EVE Online Client is 1024x768. For optimum performance always use the latest available drivers for all hardware, including in particular audio and video hardware.
The expectation for the Minimum System Requirements is that all game features can be used on low-end hardware that still meets those requirements. All graphics settings are set to their lowest values. The resolution is set to 1024x768.
The expectation for the Recommended System Requirements is that there is a smooth and visually enjoyable experience across all game features. All graphics settings can be set to their highest values. The resolution should not exceed 1920x1200, though higher resolutions can be used with lower settings.
Please note that when in large-scale situations, such as fleet fights, you are encouraged to drop all graphics settings to their lowest value.
Windows
Minimum System Requirements:
OS: Windows 7 / 8.1 / 10 CPU: Intel Dual Core @ 2.0 GHz, AMD Dual Core @ 2.0 GHz RAM: 2 GB Video: AMD Radeon 2600 XT or NVIDIA GeForce 8600 GTS Recommended System Configuration:
OS: Windows 7 / 8.1 / 10 CPU: Intel i7 Series or AMD X4 @ 2.0 GHz or greater RAM: 4 GB or higher Video: AMD Radeon 6790 or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 or better with at least 1 GB VRAM
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
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Posted - 2016.12.16 22:25:02 -
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how long is a piece of string
It totally depends on how much you are willing to invest into this project.
I'm going to say aim for around the 1500 euros mark.
so it's middle ground stuff.
i built a machine for a mate last year. so here's what i put in it.
Power supply
CPU
RAM
Motherboard
Graphics Card
Case
plays most games on full settings.
he chose to stick a SSD in there also to help speed up things.
it's a very good machine for not so much.
oh monitor, almost forgot, whatever you do the output is everything. so be prepared to spend at least 300 bucks 144mhz
maybe this
MONITOR <<<<< not included in that 1500 price. but if you'r willing to put up with 60mhz then aim for the 200 bucks mark. Benq make good monitors.
hope this helps. |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2016.12.16 23:07:54 -
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Garrus Valdimir wrote:What would you say would be the best parts to buy? I don't want a super computer, nor do I want one that can run several accounts at the same time. I just want a simple desktop that can run Eve with high specs so I can admire the beauty of the game :) I doubt I will be using the desktop for anything other than Eve so not bothered about it being able to run other games, or run multiple applications at the same time. Nothing but Eve? That shouldn't be too difficult. Eve is a bit CPU heavy, so I'd get a quad core i5, although a high clock i3 might do the trick as well for a couple bucks less, and one of the cheaper gaming graphics cards. A core i3 6300 alongside an RX460 or GTX 1050 should do the trick, but if you want a bit more power, take an i5 6500 and an RX470 or GTX 1050 Ti, which is pretty much the sweet spot in terms of price/performance ratio at the moment. Anything beyond that would be massive overkill for just Eve.
With CPU and GPU taken care of, all you need to do is pick a mainboard and PSU that will be able to handle those components, Throw some RAM into the mix (I'd go with 8GB), grab a hard disk or even an SSD for better boot/loading times and put everything into a case.
If you can wait a bit, right now may be one of the few times where doing so is not such a bad idea. AMD are about to release a new processor architecture in years in Q1 2017. Worst case, it will crash and burn, everyone will have a good laugh and nothing will change. Best case, it will stir up the market and Intel will drop their prices. |
Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.12.17 12:29:39 -
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I'm with ninetausend :"take an i5 6500 and an RX470 or GTX 1050 Ti, which is pretty much the sweet spot in terms of price/performance ratio at the moment.". A CPU in the range of 180-200Gé¼ and a Graka for around 250Gé¼ is the sweet spot. Take a 500W power supply, any mainboard, throw in 8-16GB ram and salt with a 4TB hard disk. If you want any improvement here add a SSD 250 or 500GB. As a monitor I would choose something with 28"+. The above mentioned machine will not run a game in 4k with high settings anyway and the difference isn't that great. If you know what you want you can take a look at packages (AFTER new year, it's cheaper then) that fit in there. It's cheaper to buy something industrial made compared to custom made. The Only complicated part in building a PC is the installation of the CPU and Cooler. Look for some youtube videos and keep strictly to the instructions! Everything else is easy. If you can build something from IKEA you can do the rest without problems. |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.12.17 16:25:32 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:how long is a piece of string Twice the distance from the midpoint to one end.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
EvE is a PvP game. Stop pretending it isn't.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2016.12.17 16:39:04 -
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All I know is that most players these days take a potato, and then steal a car antenna and stick it into it. Then they complain at FPS issues. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
562
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Posted - 2016.12.17 17:53:05 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:how long is a piece of string Twice the distance from the midpoint to one end.
and that distance is?
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2016.12.17 17:57:15 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:how long is a piece of string Twice the distance from the midpoint to one end. and that distance is? Imperial or metric? |
Demolishar
United Aggression Corpse Collectors Group
1202
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Posted - 2016.12.18 11:32:41 -
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Pentium G3258, 1x8GB RAM, cheap mobo that allows OC, GTX 1050/Ti
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ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
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Posted - 2016.12.18 12:43:11 -
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Hi, I built my pc over 2 years ago and recently upgraded the vga card to nvidia 1070.
The rest of the system is an Intel i7 at 4ghz, 16gb ram, z97 motherboard and a 240gb ssd for the boot drive running Windows 7 and it runs eve without breaking a sweat.
Good luck with your project
You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead.
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
563
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Posted - 2016.12.18 20:03:01 -
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Neuntausend wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:how long is a piece of string Twice the distance from the midpoint to one end. and that distance is? Imperial or metric?
Imperial lol, i see what you did there
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HellGate fr
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Posted - 2016.12.18 22:08:03 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:There is only one rule for building a system. Match your components. No sense putting a 1200w power supply in a system with one drive and one video card. Or a TitanX with a single 1080p monitor. Or an expensive overclockable cpu if you're not putting in a water cooling loop. Or 32GB of Corsair Dominator RAM in a computer that you have no intention of video editing on. A computer is only as good as its weakest component. So make sure they are as near to each other, performance wise, as possible. Mr Epeen
The golden age of water cooling is over, you don't need that anymore even unless your overclock is really extreme.
Stuff like Noctua NH-D15 is more than enough and still beats many liquid coolers. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.12.18 23:01:43 -
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HellGate fr wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:There is only one rule for building a system. Match your components. No sense putting a 1200w power supply in a system with one drive and one video card. Or a TitanX with a single 1080p monitor. Or an expensive overclockable cpu if you're not putting in a water cooling loop. Or 32GB of Corsair Dominator RAM in a computer that you have no intention of video editing on. A computer is only as good as its weakest component. So make sure they are as near to each other, performance wise, as possible. Mr Epeen The golden age of water cooling is over, you don't need that anymore even unless your overclock is really extreme. Stuff like Noctua NH-D15 is more than enough and still beats many liquid coolers. I'm not going to get into an argument over this as it's not germane to the OP.
I'll just say that the golden age of ATX is also over. MATX is the new standard for enthusiasts. And it's really hard to air cool a 6800k on an EVGA X99 Micro2 in a Node 804 (my current build). An AIO water cooler is pretty much the only thing you can even fit without having to restrict RAM height and moving the graphics card to a lower slot, which then blocks the USB 3.1 connector..
So for big-ass cases, sure. Stick in a big-ass air cooler. For everything else...
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8084
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Posted - 2016.12.19 00:09:52 -
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Garrus Valdimir wrote:Hello folks!
It's been a while since I've played the game as I no longer have a PC, only a laptop which as you can imagine, isn't the best for running games such as Eve. Which is why I'm seeking your help and advice.
I want to have a go at building a PC and while I've done my research on how physcially build one, I'm lost as to what componenets to buy.
What would you say would be the best parts to buy? I don't want a super computer, nor do I want one that can run several accounts at the same time. I just want a simple desktop that can run Eve with high specs so I can admire the beauty of the game :) I doubt I will be using the desktop for anything other than Eve so not bothered about it being able to run other games, or run multiple applications at the same time.
Thank you all in advance :)
Fly safe!
A site that helped me build mine is here. I would highly recommend it. What's great about it is that it helps with the biggest obstacle to a PC build: compatibility. So what you can do is for example think about a video card you want to use, then build the rest of the PC around that. That's pretty much what I did.
Another common pitfall is power supply: you need to pay close attention to that. If you have a system that will consume say 800 watts, you should have at least 1000 watt power supply. Don't run them past 80 percent max power output or they will burn out.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2016.12.19 14:20:55 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: So what you can do is for example think about a video card you want to use, then build the rest of the PC around that. That's pretty much what I did. That's how you do it, compatitibility guide website or no. Pick a GPU or two, pick a CPU, as those are the two most important components, and then select components that can support it.
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