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Shalix
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Posted - 2007.04.08 18:18:00 -
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is there any difference between a researched bpc with 150ME and a 40ME one ?
both BPC dont waste mineral, but what is the difference between that huge improvement made to first one ?
thanks (:
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TheHumanity
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Posted - 2007.04.08 18:43:00 -
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See! In sight, a simple, studious source, created strangely for both Starbase and Station by the surreality of fate. This service, no mere statement of sanity, is a staple of the society of industrialists, now stale, stagnat. However, this spartan subforum for a profession stands, and is a staple for those that stipulate the safe storage of Scordite. Sadly, this scrambled soup of speech steers away from the succinct, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me SSO.
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Operative 27B
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Posted - 2007.04.08 18:45:00 -
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You are cool.
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.08 19:36:00 -
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Oh the humanity!
To the OP, there is very little difference, but there is a difference.
However like all things Eve, things tend to have diminishing returns after a while, so it's generally considered an ME of around 15-20 or so is where you should "top out".
People researching to silly ME's is what's clogging up the research slots. Don't do it kids!
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Kaathar Rielspar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.04.08 19:49:00 -
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at ME 20 you are wasting 0.0043% of each mineral required to build something. Any prints higher than 20 are over-researched and worthless compared to a 20 print (savings at higher ME are in the order of tens of units of trit/pye etc, i.e. not worth paying more for a "better" bpc). ____________________
Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe
Originally by: Eximius Josari If BS Sized HACs would be overpowered, what are HACs?
Overpriced Nos victims.
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Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2007.04.08 19:50:00 -
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Dont high ME bpc's give better returns when inventing? |
Brolly
Caldari Morphic field
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Posted - 2007.04.08 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Radioactive Babe Dont high ME bpc's give better returns when inventing?
Nope, from the few jobs i've done you get better results with an unresearched BPC
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Mr Krosis
The humble Crew
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Posted - 2007.04.08 21:12:00 -
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To the OP, it depends on the BPO. Each BPO does have a "Perfect ME" level, where once you reach that level further research provides no benefit, as your blueprint already has no waste. This is only really relevant on small items where the perfect ME is a reasonably low number. An example I can think of is warp disruptor (interdictor) probes. At ME4 they have 0 waste so there is no purpose to research them more. I can go on contracts and see people selling "OMG 1000 RUNS ME 500 PE 1000!!!1 DICTOR PROBE BPC!!" and I see that this person spent quite a bit of time researching this blueprint way paste the point of perfection. And there is probably someone who will go and buy it for more because they think they are saving themselves money. Another example would be Rigs. Most Rigs have a perfect ME around 15-22 (2 exceptions I can think of are up in the 30s). Makes those ME100 researched Rig BPCs look a little silly doesn't it?
At ME0 you waste 10% At ME9 you waste 1% At ME99 you waste 0.1% At ME999 you waste 0.01%
Lets take an example of a battleship, lets say a Raven. In my region, the cost of minerals to build a Raven from an unresearched BPO is 101,310,390.50 ISK. This includes 9,208,607.50 ISK worth of wasted minerals.
At ME9 I have 923,557.00 ISK worth of waste. At ME20 I have 440,297.00 ISK worth of waste. At ME40 I have 222,164.00 ISK worth of waste. At ME100 I have 90,161.50 ISK worth of waste. At ME1000 I have 8,658.50 ISK worth of waste.
So is more better? Well.. yes, but use some common sense. If you were buying 1 run Raven BPC, and you could choose between a ME10 copy for 1mil or a ME50 copy for 3mil, you will of course save money buying the less researched copy.
Here's an easy way to compare 2 BPCs while buying. Say you are looking at a ME10 or higher BPC and some other even higher researched one. Is the difference in their price more than 1% of the final build cost? If so then always buy the cheaper one.
-- Mr Krosis The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge. |
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lordharold
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.08 21:21:00 -
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Moved to Stations, Starbases and Outposts forum.
-Lord Harold
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Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Brolly
Originally by: Radioactive Babe Dont high ME bpc's give better returns when inventing?
Nope, from the few jobs i've done you get better results with an unresearched BPC
Well, thats just typical ..... heaven forbid that a high ME BPC put into invention would result in a T2 BPC that had a decent ME level |
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moola
Band Of Frogs
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:29:00 -
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Here is a link to the only info iv seen about ME/PE affect on INVENTION, READ the whole page, its old and prolly dont work as with alot of new things in EVE its prolly bugged...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=401740&page=4#112
Here is the Question Oveur answers in the thread to save all the lazy folk looking and moaning they cant see anything...
Q. I have a question, does this mean that an invented bpc will start at -100 me and pe for example, but if i use a me100 pe100 bpc i will negate the entire negative me and pe? That sounds a bit extreme. I would have thought you'd go the route that invented bpcs use 30% more materials than a BPO and base me/pe is 0 and is adusted to the same me/pe as the t1 bpc that was used to invent it.
A. No, the effectiveness of the ME/PE level of the copy you use in invention is not 1 to 1, it's far less.
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Lin Bian
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:30:00 -
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Other things being equal higher ME is at least as good, sometimes better, than a less researched BPC.
Atm, perfect me and pe for the purpose of invention is 0. This may change in the near future as invention gets further tweaking.
Base invented BPC ME/PE is ALWAYS -4.
This is only modified by the decryptor
However number of runs does affect the outcome. only a max run copy used in conjunction with a run increasing decryptor will give you max run results.
if you use a max run module BPC you get 10 runs plus decryptor modifier of 0; 1; 2; 4 or 9.
on a ship or a rig job you get 1 extra run If your decryptor adds runs to the job. Otherwise the job results in a single run no matter how many runs you had on the BPC.
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