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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:17:45 -
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Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay.
We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place.
We are planning two connected changes in this release:
- Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
- Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components
We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance.
Thanks!
Game Designer | Team Five-0
Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie
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VANMISTIK
GoonWaffe
3
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:46:50 -
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Good thing that you're not nerfing the jump hictor that can also be immune to all damage for 7 minutes, that part is surely not broken. |
Mostlyharmlesss
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
245
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:47:01 -
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"Hey guys, null sec is finally getting the same ISK/hour as high sec Incursion runners, we can't have that"
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Ted McManfist
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
91
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:48:51 -
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VANMISTIK wrote:Good thing that you're not nerfing the jump hictor that can also be immune to all damage for 7 minutes, that part is surely not broken.
That' would hurt PL, and we can't have that. |
Sarin Blackfist
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:51:29 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay.
So excited in fact, that we're going to hit them with this nerf bat and see what falls out! |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2589
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:52:14 -
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As little as it actually had to do with the Incident In Question, I have to agree that giving the PANIC module the same debuff as the Networked Sensor Array towards ewar is probably a wise idea. They'll still be considerably powerful while in PANIC as a remote rep and neuting platform while invincible, but not literally invincible hard tackle.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Lustig Allas-Rui
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:54:20 -
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Yeah... we can't have mining paying a good ISK/hour... Invulnerable ewar is fine but never help out miners. |
eiedu
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
106
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:56:29 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:... - Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
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Would you share with us why a 32% reduction was chosen as opposed to something like 20%? Is there any math behind it? |
Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund Goonswarm Federation
1050
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:59:21 -
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I can't really debate if 32% nerf is or isn't appropriate, but I do question why "0.0 mining paying too much" is the sort of game-breaking thing that requires immediate patching while "invulnerable combat ships" is not. |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2590
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:03:05 -
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Thinking on it, perhaps we should approach this from a different angle. If we're going to allow invincible tackle, can we please allow Heavy Interdictors to receive remote reps while activating their Warp Disruption Field Generators? Otherwise, we're completely obsoleting a subcap with the rorqual, and that seems unfair.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Mostlyharmlesss
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
246
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:04:01 -
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Quote:but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves.
Also apparently, literally everyone else besides CCP knows how the capital meta will evolve.
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Baki Yuku
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
67
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:06:12 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:- Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
While I do not mind the nerf I do hope you'll increase the base speed a bit. To make mining rocks futher away more viable.. 200 meter per second base speed is simply terrible even when fitting 3 faction drone navigation computers you are looking at a max of 722 meters per second. Which means mining anything futher away then ~3000 meters is terrible. |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
789
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:07:45 -
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Querns wrote:Thinking on it, perhaps we should approach this from a different angle. If we're going to allow invincible tackle, can we please allow Heavy Interdictors to receive remote reps while activating their Warp Disruption Field Generators? Otherwise, we're completely obsoleting a subcap with the rorqual, and that seems unfair.
Actually I believe the only fair solution is to add a jump drive and invulnerability mod to Heavy Interdictors. But give them a penalty to mining lasers just in case it's too strong. |
Doyey3731
Deaf Eaters Shadow of xXDEATHXx
66
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:08:04 -
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Maybe reduce the panic button but also reduce the length of the siege module. 5 minutes is hardwork on the old stress levels. |
Robbert Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:08:28 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:- Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
Does this include a matching nerf to 'Excavator' Ice Harvesting Drone cycle time? |
Jita VonMarketAlt
Therapists Inc
0
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:11:28 -
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that is a lot of salty goons.
At least you mined back all the minerals from that super welp before the nerf though. |
Tiberizzle
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
148
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:12:23 -
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Baki Yuku wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay. We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place. We are planning two connected changes in this release: - Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
- Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components
We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance. Thanks! While I do not mind the nerf I do hope you'll increase the base speed a bit. To make mining rocks futher away more viable..
mfw agreeing with baki
if you're going to nerf the yield at least flatten the yield curve with distance some more, as enthralling as waiting 5 minutes to reposition is I don't think mining needs that kind of "depth" |
jack1974
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
157
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:13:05 -
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Might need a new module to Excavate the tears from some of these posts |
Sarin Blackfist
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:15:19 -
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jack1974 wrote:Might need a new module to Excavate the tears from some of these posts
We're 32% more salty today. |
michael chasseur
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
74
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:15:38 -
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hisec wins again |
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Baki Yuku
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
67
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:17:00 -
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Tiberizzle wrote:Baki Yuku wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay. We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place. We are planning two connected changes in this release: - Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
- Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components
We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance. Thanks! While I do not mind the nerf I do hope you'll increase the base speed a bit. To make mining rocks futher away more viable.. mfw agreeing with baki if you're going to nerf the yield at least flatten the yield curve with distance some more, as enthralling as waiting 5 minutes to reposition is I don't think mining needs that kind of "depth"
I'm a fairly reasonable person always have been for the most part:) But ya the yield curve needs some serious adjustments especially with this 32% nerf. I think 300-400m/s base speed would be much more reasonable. |
Markonius Porkbutte
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:17:03 -
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Sarin Blackfist wrote:jack1974 wrote:Might need a new module to Excavate the tears from some of these posts We're 32% more salty today.
At least you can still scram someone and become invulnerable for 7 minutes cause that's totally fine. |
michael chasseur
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
74
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:17:12 -
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eiedu wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:... - Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
... Would you share with us why a 32% reduction was chosen as opposed to something like 20%? Is there any math behind it?
I got a CCP 8-ball if that'll help.
10bil and i'll ship it to you. |
Overman
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
7
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:17:44 -
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lol nerfed before people have even had a chance to recoup their investment. So many people are getting dicked by this lol.
GJ.
And a new generation of bitter vets are born.. |
SidewinderFang
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:18:27 -
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Raivi showing favouritism to his old Alliance once again. |
michael chasseur
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
74
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:18:44 -
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VANMISTIK wrote:Good thing that you're not nerfing the jump hictor that can also be immune to all damage for 7 minutes, that part is surely not broken.
ALL HANDS ON DECK |
michael chasseur
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
74
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:20:18 -
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Overman wrote:lol nerfed before people have even had a chance to recoup their investment. So many people are getting dicked by this lol.
GJ.
And a new generation of bitter vets are born..
Legit if you injected the 30ish days of skills to fly this thing thinking it wouldn't get nerfed, lol just lol |
shackleton's endeavour
Oscar Tango Voodoo Groove
0
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:21:34 -
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I think CCP you are missing an oppertunity here in making mining a viable option for all those in 0.0/low sec and it creating each regions own trade hubs like the days of old. Why the change to 32% and say not 10/15/20% you got to keep the mining appealing to do otherwise people won't bother and revert back to other things that make max isk rather than be a pink fluffy miner |
Gaara's sniper
MLG1337420BlazeIt360TitanNoScopeCorporationSWAG Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:21:53 -
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Hey Fozzie, when can i expect a fix to npc aggroing my heavy drones. I just want to afk rat in this damned 5bil pinyata but these npcs keep focusing my drones. Send help. |
Baki Yuku
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
67
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:22:53 -
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michael chasseur wrote:Overman wrote:lol nerfed before people have even had a chance to recoup their investment. So many people are getting dicked by this lol.
GJ.
And a new generation of bitter vets are born.. Legit if you injected the 30ish days of skills to fly this thing thinking it wouldn't get nerfed, lol just lol
This I injected right after release 4 pilots from zero and I expected it to be nerf'd but who cares already made back what I put in and more. |
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