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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: nameless banker I'm ready to make a very sizable investment (maybe a few hundred million ISK) using the long-term plan. However, I think this might be a scam based on the posts here and what people are saying.
Can you send me an evemail with the identity of your main, please? Just so I know it's someone respected that i'll be dealing with.
Don't waste your cash. Better off buying a hulk, setting autopilot course to FD-MLJ and going to work.
Sick of the waits with empire research slots? Use mine! |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:22:00 -
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Ricdic you obviously can't even fathom a legit business plan so your posts are now disregarded.
Originally by: Klasanov
You misunderstand.
Why, as an investor, am I required to invest in the medium term plan if I have more than 10 million isk?
So that it can be utilized for the longer term instead of the short term. Quote:
How, as an investee, do you require a cap of 10 mil ISK on the short term plan for an investor despite the fact that if two different investors were to invest, you'd have the same amount of capital?
Simplicity for accounting.
Quote:
So why not allow someone to invest 20 million or even more ISK into the short term plan? Obviously it can be utilized with this "super-secret-ultra-rad-money-making-deal-which-i-thought-of".
And actually, you're wrong on your ROI.
First you say the short term plan offers 8% interest for eight days. This amounts to a rate of 1% interest a day, or 30% a month.
Wrong, it is only for 8 days. Quote: The medium term plan, you say in the quote, gives a return of 12%. However this only over 25-35 days time, which means the actual ROI is around 12% when given a month's time to mature. The short-term plan is actually a lot higher because it's interest rate is actually 30% per month.
The short term plan only lasts 8 days. Quote: Despite the lower amount of capital utilized, an investor would still come out as making more money
Read above. Quote: (3,000,000 ISK as opposed to 2,400,000 ISK). (Yes, if you invest the 40 million isk,
Yet! There is one more mistake which you have made. Your orignal post states the short-term investment is 5%, yet you just told me in the quote above it was 8%, while you said the medium term investment is 12% when your original post states that it is actually 8%. Anyone legit would remember the ROI he's giving.
I am human after all. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: nameless banker I'm ready to make a very sizable investment (maybe a few hundred million ISK) using the long-term plan. However, I think this might be a scam based on the posts here and what people are saying.
Can you send me an evemail with the identity of your main, please? Just so I know it's someone respected that i'll be dealing with.
This is my main.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao that i'll be dealing with.
This is my main.
Ok, can you advise how (after <30 days) you have amassed heavy production, trade, research, and hauling skills, whilst at the same time learning the indepth market details to a point where you can compete with seasoned veterans who's alts have a higher online presence than you.
Fob me off all you want, but fact is that you haven't answered questions correctly, you show agression under fire, and you have alredy screwed yourself with your alt trying to promote your business.
Sick of the waits with empire research slots? Use mine! |
Klasanov
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:18:00 -
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Quote: Simplicity for accounting.
Bull.
It's not at all hard to say you have 20 million on an accounts payable.
Quote: So that it can be utilized for the longer term instead of the short term.
Except that given the time frame, the short term plan offers a higher ROI.
Quote: Wrong, it is only for 8 days.
And if i reinvest three times, its for 24 days.
Which was what I was getting at.
You're forgetting the frame of time in which everything occurs, which changes everything.
Since you seem to be so knowledgeable about accounting, however, I'll pose a question.
What transactions must take place if you have interest income or expenses that straddle a fiscal year?
Actually I realize that one might be a little complicated.
So a free million ISK to the first person with the knowledge to answer it :)
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nameless banker
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Originally by: nameless banker I'm ready to make a very sizable investment (maybe a few hundred million ISK) using the long-term plan. However, I think this might be a scam based on the posts here and what people are saying.
Can you send me an evemail with the identity of your main, please? Just so I know it's someone respected that i'll be dealing with.
This is my main.
I do not believe this is your main.
Again, I'm quite intrigued.
But as I said, I would like to know who your main character is (just eve-mail me, "nameless banker"), before I conduct my businesses.
If you need financing I can finance, like I said, with the long-term plan. And we all win. You get rich, I get rich, and you get richer from having your production running smoothly |
nameless banker
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:31:00 -
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Ricdic, but, but... i'll get podded :( by |
Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: nameless banker Ricdic, but, but... i'll get podded :( by
That's my point. From reading this guy's business plan, as well as tons of others over the years, I would personally rate your risk rating just as high with this guy, as I would being afk autpiloting a hulk in 0.0.
But hell, what do I know
Sick of the waits with empire research slots? Use mine! |
nameless banker
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:43:00 -
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You make a very good point.
I'm intrigued, Ricdic.
Wanna fund me the iskies for a hulk?
I'll pay insurance in a month if it goes bust.
I'll pay 10% - original investment one time if it works.
Foolproof my man :) |
Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: nameless banker You make a very good point.
I'm intrigued, Ricdic.
Wanna fund me the iskies for a hulk?
I'll pay insurance in a month if it goes bust.
I'll pay 10% - original investment one time if it works.
Foolproof my man :)
If you have collateral to the value of a hulk in any form, you can borrow mine and pay a rental fee for it 20m / month is my hulk rental cost.
Whether collateral is a t2 ship, couple of battleship's, handful of mins, bpo's etc I don't care as long as it matches or comes close to matching hulk market value . Can be organised by D/T tonight
Sick of the waits with empire research slots? Use mine! |
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nameless banker
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Posted - 2007.04.09 04:55:00 -
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I'll give you a ****load of unresearched T1 BPOs.
Since they're the kind that can be competitive without research. |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.09 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: DragonRiderTao on 09/04/2007 05:29:11
Originally by: Ricdic
Ok, can you advise how (after <30 days) you have amassed heavy production, trade, research, and hauling skills, whilst at the same time learning the indepth market details to a point where you can compete with seasoned veterans who's alts have a higher online presence than you.
First of all learning market details would not conflict with skill training. This is irrelevant as markets exist outside of eve.
None of the skills need to be heavy. A well started character can excell in 2 of those areas and learn the other 2 within a few weeks. Trade skills are not vital anyways.
Quote: Fob me off all you want, but fact is that you haven't answered questions correctly, you show agression under fire,
I answer all questions. Quote: and you have alredy screwed yourself with your alt trying to promote your business.
Any forum user with more than a few days experience will realize that posting with an alt will not inject the main's signature. This fact coupled with your zealous (and illogical) contribution to the thread leads us to the likely identity of whom that alt belongs to.
Originally by: Klasanov
Quote: Wrong, it is only for 8 days.
And if i reinvest three times, its for 24 days.
That is up to you. Quote:
Which was what I was getting at.
You're forgetting the frame of time in which everything occurs, which changes everything.
I am not forgetting the timeframe. Answering many posts can make a few errors in my replies. I assure you the plan has not changed.
Quote:
Since you seem to be so knowledgeable about accounting, however, I'll pose a question.
What transactions must take place if you have interest income or expenses that straddle a fiscal year?
This is off-topic.
Originally by: nameless banker
I do not believe this is your main.
Again, I'm quite intrigued.
But as I said, I would like to know who your main character is (just eve-mail me, "nameless banker"), before I conduct my businesses.
You would receive an eve-mail from none other than myself .
Quote: If you need financing I can finance, like I said, with the long-term plan. And we all win. You get rich, I get rich, and you get richer from having your production running smoothly
That is what this thread is all about.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Klasanov
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Posted - 2007.04.09 06:24:00 -
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1) You're the one that brought up accounting 2) 10 mil for 8 days is no more complicated than 20 mil for 8 days, or 40 mil for 35 days 3) beside the character you post with is a checkbox saying "click here to include your profile signature", so, alts do use the main's sig 4) You're a scammer 5) Yes, you are ignoring the time frame in which interest is earned. 6) Go back to banking and finance sch00l, nub
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.09 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Klasanov 1) You're the one that brought up accounting
That is the nature of this business. Quote:
2) 10 mil for 8 days is no more complicated than 20 mil for 8 days, or 40 mil for 35 days
There are specific goals for each and specific formulas already in place. Quote:
3) beside the character you post with is a checkbox saying "click here to include your profile signature", so, alts do use the main's sig
That box is actually below and not beside the post box. It reads, "Check here to include profile signature". It uses the signature for that character. Quote:
4) You're a scammer
I am as likely to be a scammer as yourself. Quote:
5) Yes, you are ignoring the time frame in which interest is earned. 6) Go back to banking and finance sch00l, nub
Your anger blinds you.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Klasanov
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:02:00 -
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test my sig |
Klasanov Growth
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: Klasanov Growth on 09/04/2007 07:00:07 test 2
hmm. he's correct.
But its still funny how he added the sig to his other alt, forgot to take it out, and then had to edit it later.
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Trilori
Caldari Gearbox Fleet Svc
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:12:00 -
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I don't know if any of you have seen my thread... obviously I'm no better than this n00b; But at least I can give straight answers and set concrete goals (whether they are realistic or not is to be found out at some point, and goals change if need be).
Someone who can't give straight answers is not the best business person, and in my thread I don't ask for money I just say this is what I'm doing these are my goals and you're welcome to spit in my face :).
I have taken every suggestion and idea in mind that people have said in my thread and I appreciate their time, someone said something in this thread that gave me a new idea which I'm NOT saying until later.
Finally I'd like to say that interest type investment is stupid at least in EVE it is. If lets HYPOTHETICALLY someone (even the OP) is a multi billion dollar corporation makes billions per week/month/day whatever would you SERIOUSLY return interest back to the investor? You want my answer? No. Why? Because I'd be throwing away my money.
Now ask me this, How would you return interest to an investor? My answer? Invest in something that generates more interest than the investor is getting (hey, banks do it for real I'm sure).
Its not possible to get any interest from bankers in EVE there is no such thing. Are there any corps that actually pay interest on a set dollar figure? If there are, they must be doing pretty good. I'm sure some corps sell stocks and pay out dividends (provided somebody keeps track of who they are).
And... I wouldn't expect a new person this old to be able to give you much of a return anyway. I am just as old if not a tad bit younger than this newbie I don't anticipate my goals going into action at least for another 30 days and it does NOT require anyone to give me money to do it.
I think this OP DOES have a great idea, and could work if the capital is there and he/she is making the money needed.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori I don't know if any of you have seen my thread... obviously I'm no better than this n00b; But at least I can give straight answers and set concrete goals (whether they are realistic or not is to be found out at some point, and goals change if need be).
Someone who can't give straight answers is not the best business person, and in my thread I don't ask for money I just say this is what I'm doing these are my goals and you're welcome to spit in my face :).
I have taken every suggestion and idea in mind that people have said in my thread and I appreciate their time, someone said something in this thread that gave me a new idea which I'm NOT saying until later.
Finally I'd like to say that interest type investment is stupid at least in EVE it is. If lets HYPOTHETICALLY someone (even the OP) is a multi billion dollar corporation makes billions per week/month/day whatever would you SERIOUSLY return interest back to the investor? You want my answer? No. Why? Because I'd be throwing away my money.
Now ask me this, How would you return interest to an investor? My answer? Invest in something that generates more interest than the investor is getting (hey, banks do it for real I'm sure).
Its not possible to get any interest from bankers in EVE there is no such thing. Are there any corps that actually pay interest on a set dollar figure? If there are, they must be doing pretty good. I'm sure some corps sell stocks and pay out dividends (provided somebody keeps track of who they are).
And... I wouldn't expect a new person this old to be able to give you much of a return anyway. I am just as old if not a tad bit younger than this newbie I don't anticipate my goals going into action at least for another 30 days and it does NOT require anyone to give me money to do it.
I think this OP DOES have a great idea, and could work if the capital is there and he/she is making the money needed.
Very shameless self-appreciation :).
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Trilori
Caldari Gearbox Fleet Svc
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Posted - 2007.04.09 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Originally by: Trilori I don't know if any of you have seen my thread... obviously I'm no better than this n00b; But at least I can give straight answers and set concrete goals (whether they are realistic or not is to be found out at some point, and goals change if need be).
Someone who can't give straight answers is not the best business person, and in my thread I don't ask for money I just say this is what I'm doing these are my goals and you're welcome to spit in my face :).
I have taken every suggestion and idea in mind that people have said in my thread and I appreciate their time, someone said something in this thread that gave me a new idea which I'm NOT saying until later.
Finally I'd like to say that interest type investment is stupid at least in EVE it is. If lets HYPOTHETICALLY someone (even the OP) is a multi billion dollar corporation makes billions per week/month/day whatever would you SERIOUSLY return interest back to the investor? You want my answer? No. Why? Because I'd be throwing away my money.
Now ask me this, How would you return interest to an investor? My answer? Invest in something that generates more interest than the investor is getting (hey, banks do it for real I'm sure).
Its not possible to get any interest from bankers in EVE there is no such thing. Are there any corps that actually pay interest on a set dollar figure? If there are, they must be doing pretty good. I'm sure some corps sell stocks and pay out dividends (provided somebody keeps track of who they are).
And... I wouldn't expect a new person this old to be able to give you much of a return anyway. I am just as old if not a tad bit younger than this newbie I don't anticipate my goals going into action at least for another 30 days and it does NOT require anyone to give me money to do it.
I think this OP DOES have a great idea, and could work if the capital is there and he/she is making the money needed.
Very shameless self-appreciation :).
I don't understand what you mean by that exactly, I was just giving past posters in your thread something to compare with between someone who goes off the wall with answers (you) and someone who can give answers that actually answer people's questions (me and another thread I found by Ionna)
This isn't about me ok I know I mentioned ME in the last post I made, if you could answer questions directly I think you would have FAR LESS insults slamming you your way but then again the way you respond you kindof deserve it.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.09 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Originally by: Trilori I don't know if any of you have seen my thread... obviously I'm no better than this n00b; But at least I can give straight answers and set concrete goals (whether they are realistic or not is to be found out at some point, and goals change if need be).
Someone who can't give straight answers is not the best business person, and in my thread I don't ask for money I just say this is what I'm doing these are my goals and you're welcome to spit in my face :).
I have taken every suggestion and idea in mind that people have said in my thread and I appreciate their time, someone said something in this thread that gave me a new idea which I'm NOT saying until later.
Finally I'd like to say that interest type investment is stupid at least in EVE it is. If lets HYPOTHETICALLY someone (even the OP) is a multi billion dollar corporation makes billions per week/month/day whatever would you SERIOUSLY return interest back to the investor? You want my answer? No. Why? Because I'd be throwing away my money.
Now ask me this, How would you return interest to an investor? My answer? Invest in something that generates more interest than the investor is getting (hey, banks do it for real I'm sure).
Its not possible to get any interest from bankers in EVE there is no such thing. Are there any corps that actually pay interest on a set dollar figure? If there are, they must be doing pretty good. I'm sure some corps sell stocks and pay out dividends (provided somebody keeps track of who they are).
And... I wouldn't expect a new person this old to be able to give you much of a return anyway. I am just as old if not a tad bit younger than this newbie I don't anticipate my goals going into action at least for another 30 days and it does NOT require anyone to give me money to do it.
I think this OP DOES have a great idea, and could work if the capital is there and he/she is making the money needed.
Very shameless self-appreciation :).
I don't understand what you mean by that exactly, I was just giving past posters in your thread something to compare with between someone who goes off the wall with answers (you) and someone who can give answers that actually answer people's questions (me and another thread I found by Ionna)
This isn't about me ok I know I mentioned ME in the last post I made, if you could answer questions directly I think you would have FAR LESS insults slamming you your way but then again the way you respond you kindof deserve it.
I am answering all the questions in this thread. It isn't like I am ignoring any legit questions? How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
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Klasanov
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Posted - 2007.04.09 08:07:00 -
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No. You have dodged every question my sig |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.09 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Klasanov No. You have dodged every question
I don't recall anyone throwing questions at me. Please ask if you have any.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Trilori
Caldari Gearbox Fleet Svc
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:21:00 -
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He dodged every question asked because he doesn't remember any of the questions asked! I saw countless questions asked, some of them were even partially answered or were incorrectly answered or skewed because he twisted what the question was really about.
I'm done with this thread, have fun all :).
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.10 00:33:00 -
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looking for a few more investors
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
nameless banker
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Posted - 2007.04.10 01:04:00 -
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You know I'd be willing to invest some ISK, like I said, I just want an e-mail from your main account so I know the person I'm dealing with isn't a scammer.
Not that I don't believe you, just want to feel safe with knowing where my ISK is going. |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.10 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: nameless banker You know I'd be willing to invest some ISK, like I said, I just want an e-mail from your main account so I know the person I'm dealing with isn't a scammer.
Not that I don't believe you, just want to feel safe with knowing where my ISK is going.
This is my main!
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
nameless banker
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Posted - 2007.04.10 01:16:00 -
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Someone 23-24 days in game does notacquire such grand knowledge of the market.
So this cannot be your main. |
DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.10 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: nameless banker Someone 23-24 days in game does notacquire such grand knowledge of the market.
So this cannot be your main.
The market in eve is much simpler than real life.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.04.10 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: DragonRiderTao
The market in eve is much simpler than real life.
So, why did you need public funds again? If the market is so simple, why not use your own cash to get established?
Sick of the waits with empire research slots? Use mine! |
Trilori
Caldari Gearbox Fleet Svc
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Posted - 2007.04.10 05:13:00 -
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lolz I love reading this *eats popcorn*
I don't think the market is as simple as it seems, it is from a standpoint at the basic level but not at an investing level.
Anyway, IT IS possible to only have one main and no alts at least for newbies it is.
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