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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.04 20:02:00 -
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Add one carrier from MC, to each gang of your coalition. Receive boost of effiency like 500% or smth. I know, its happened to me many times ago. 5 fractions killing aAa drednought. All who made on killmail = happily ctrl + c, ctrl + v on their own boards. Everyone is happy, xept me ofc
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.04.04 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Add one carrier from MC, to each gang of your coalition. Receive boost of effiency like 500% or smth. I know, its happened to me many times ago. 5 fractions killing aAa drednought. All who made on killmail = happily ctrl + c, ctrl + v on their own boards. Everyone is happy, xept me ofc
well, ET, I think the same happens on the coalition boards as well. so I think it's pretty even in the end :) I mean if TCF, RA, AAA would kill a dread. it would be on all 3 boards :) x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
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c0rn1
Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.04.04 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug Add one carrier from MC, to each gang of your coalition. Receive boost of effiency like 500% or smth. I know, its happened to me many times ago. 5 fractions killing aAa drednought. All who made on killmail = happily ctrl + c, ctrl + v on their own boards. Everyone is happy, xept me ofc
well, ET, I think the same happens on the coalition boards as well. so I think it's pretty even in the end :) I mean if TCF, RA, AAA would kill a dread. it would be on all 3 boards :) x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
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Gaunty
Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 20:39:00 -
[94]
Bring back Hugh tbh.
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Gaunty
Macabre Votum INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 20:39:00 -
[95]
Bring back Hugh tbh.
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Rachen Mysuna
Brotherhood of Polar Equation Quantum Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rachen Mysuna on 04/04/2007 20:51:57 Edited by: Rachen Mysuna on 04/04/2007 20:50:03 is seleene playin ultima online because i know person x from it and when i asked is she seleene from MC she ran away
i'd imagine that leader of MC can't have time to play 2 MMO's at the same time
p.s pls leave PB
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Rachen Mysuna
Brotherhood of Polar Equation Quantum Star Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rachen Mysuna on 04/04/2007 20:55:27
is seleene playin ultima online because i know person x (same appearance and even behaviour) and when i asked is she seleene from MC she ran away
i'd imagine that leader of MC can't have time to play 2 MMO's at the same time
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Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.04 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ephemeral Waves on 04/04/2007 21:02:04
Originally by: Fabrezio
Simple math lesson:
A positive number is a number greater than zero (no, zero is not positive).
K / D BOB in Fountain2007-02-01248 239 <-- positive BOB overall2000-00-00929 818 <--- positive Chokepoint PVP2000-00-008200 1128 <-- still positive Homeland Security 1000-00-008165 3664 <-- really positive Global Efficiency 0000-00-0045197 12752 <-- ridiculously positive
You can try to spin this however you want but it's the efficiency number that matters.
In your case:
BOB in Fountain 12.66% BOB overall 20.9% Checkpoint - notice that there is no start date - this is since you started tracking the stats... not just for this war. YouNoob 36.07% Fountain of Tears 42.04% MC 'dec 10.67% Homeland - - notice that there is no start date - this is since you started tracking the stats... not just for this war. Global - - notice that there is no start date - this is since you started tracking the stats... not just for this war.
And to continue the math lesson: <50% is bad, it means you're losing more than you're killing. So, 12% against BoB in Fountain means you've lost 4x what you've killed - isk wise. And that 248 vrs 239 looks like a wash until you realise that the 239 includes a titan and I don't know how many dreads and carriers.
Edit: To be fair, the BoB overall is also a non-start-date event.
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Chandrielle
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:12:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Chandrielle on 04/04/2007 22:09:35
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Curx
Prime Star
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Fabrezio It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).
I've been thinking the same lately, when i've read up on reports and kb's around these boards
Just for the record, its not flaming MC/ Seleene here, but more of a general remark . I love reading reports, and especialy so clean, tidy and nice write as the above from seleene Looking forward to read more of'em
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fabrezio It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).
So true.
For example, if I go to an IRON board, I'll find IRON losses (obviously) and IRON kills... plus the kills that were made whenever they were in a joint gang with an ally.
So even if IRON made up 20% of a gang, I'd get all the kills from that gang that included at least one IRON member on the board.
Suddenly their kill number explodes but their losses stay the same, as non-IRON losses aren't counted.
The exact same thing happens with FIX: whenever we fight a battle with Band of Brothers, we get a whole bunch of kills that were really only 30% or 50% or 70% ours, but none of the BoB losses count on our board.
Its a flaw in the concept itself that honestly needs to be fixed; perhaps killboards could count a kill based on the percentage of those on the killmail who were of the alliance who owns the board?
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Ice Ghost
Gallente Frontier Worlds Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kiell Amor
Originally by: Seleene MC Borealis
As a former northern ISS member this name gave me a nice warm feeling...
Dont you agree that "MC Cassini" would sound so much better though!
Still remember to when this station was launched... And MC guarding the whole operation
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:28:00 -
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I'm a little slow, so what your saying is, corps and alliances that fly with other corps and alliances tend to artificially get better looking stats. Because they get the kills from both groups but only their losses are applied to the kill/death ratio. Wow, so would I be right in thinking that our stats are all that more impressive as we dont fly with anyone else? Anti-social malcontents FTW!
Luv Pookie
P.S. who in MC did the BURN EDEN movie? I have not laughed so hard in ages
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Kaleeb
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:31:00 -
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I`m more interested in how many times Trax has died tbh, anyone care to brighten up my day?
Nice stats guys, keep up the good work
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Mercenaries of Andosia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.04 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: nickycakes YEW GAIZ MUST NOTT B TRU MERKS BEKUZ YEW LIV NEER BOB LOLLL ANDD DATT MAKS U NOT NUTRAL LOL!!11
I wholly endorse this product/message. Just the right level of sarcasm applied .
So many tools, so little time to rip into them, pointless as it is to bother.
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Der Pfaffe
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.04 23:09:00 -
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Great Stats MC and a nice write up :)
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Valkazm
Amarr ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.04 23:14:00 -
[107]
I have full respect for MC .. The only thing is your not merc¦s anymore im sure this will be updated one day as the 1 year contract...
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.04.04 23:15:00 -
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D2's killboard also has the benefit of actively searching for unposted alliance lossmails. They've even got an auto-parser to do so.
There are a great many killboards with wonderful stats that are utterly full of cr*p. I wish more alliances had D2's sense of honor.
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.05 00:26:00 -
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I dont care about the stats, I'm just glad someone from our side hired you and not the other way. ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder
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James 315
Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.05 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari The exact same thing happens with FIX: whenever we fight a battle with Band of Brothers, we get a whole bunch of kills that were really only 30% or 50% or 70% ours, but none of the BoB losses count on our board.
Its a flaw in the concept itself that honestly needs to be fixed; perhaps killboards could count a kill based on the percentage of those on the killmail who were of the alliance who owns the board?
You make a good point, and to be honest the only accurate way to do it would be to have entire coalition killboards. But this is all academic, really. The thing that enhances killboard stats more than anything else (by far) is that people are much more inclined to post kills than losses. It varies from person to person of course, but on average FIX (just an example, not picking on you) hardly posts its losses at all, and even BoB has gotten lax of late.
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Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Closing Statement
While we have not done all of the above alone, we've been on our own much more than many might suspect. We're in the middle of a war unlike anything else EVE has ever seen. MC pilots and Fleet Commanders have been we have been pivotal in the planning and execution of operations that now span nearly the entire EVE map.
Originally by: Malachon Draco
That is the principal point. Now it is hard to tell to which extent this has happened. MC might very well have done half their kills alone, but that information is not present. As such, the killboard statistics, while technically probably correct, can be very misleading.
Sorry to single you out, but it is just to point out that Seleene never claimed they did all of the above alone, for those critics.
go go MC :) From nothing to something in just one corp!
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Cythrawl
Caldari Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 01:05:00 -
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/sarcasmon Woot, I'm in a BOB thread!
In all honesty...
If you guys really want to call out MC, you should call them out on the fact that they posted all those dread and carrier losses the coaltion suffered in their stats from BOB POS defensive.
Oh... right... wait... they didn't. Just the ones they were in on.
/sarcasmoff
I guess you should just go do this.
Get a hobby(like putting up a fight) or actually go read their killboard if you're wondering about how they represent their stats. Until then why not go troll somewhere else.
And btw, that mythbusters siggy is sexy.
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DEFY Killboard
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Barkel
Minmatar Amesha Spentaz Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Valkazm I have full respect for MC .. The only thing is your not merc¦s anymore im sure this will be updated one day as the 1 year contract...
They still qualify as mercenaries under most definitions. Granted they are virtually guaranteed to never be employed by either BoB or a very close ally of BoB until this war changes the map beyond recognition. Prior protestations indicating they would have taken a contract from anybody are made questionable by their deep entrenchment in BoB territory and privaledged status BoB openly gave them regarding capital ship construction arrays. Couple that with the little effort apparently made to advertise their availability and their apparent reluctance to give a ball park figure on how much they would have charged to oppose BoB in this war and its pretty obvious they choose their long term client when they moved to BoB space.
To put it another way if they really were open to non-BoB allied clients it was *their* responsibility to make that clear.
Their record is quite impressive. Certainly they have been keeping the FLA on their toes. The ability to drop in six carriers on demand is nothing to sneer at.
Barkel
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Adam Weishaupt
Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Fabrezio It's amazing how every single killboard ALWAYS shows a positive kill to death ratio and never takes into consideration ALL their allies in the war. The only thing that can be concluded based upon the killboard's alone is that everyone must be winning =).
So true.
For example, if I go to an IRON board, I'll find IRON losses (obviously) and IRON kills... plus the kills that were made whenever they were in a joint gang with an ally.
So even if IRON made up 20% of a gang, I'd get all the kills from that gang that included at least one IRON member on the board.
Suddenly their kill number explodes but their losses stay the same, as non-IRON losses aren't counted.
The exact same thing happens with FIX: whenever we fight a battle with Band of Brothers, we get a whole bunch of kills that were really only 30% or 50% or 70% ours, but none of the BoB losses count on our board.
Its a flaw in the concept itself that honestly needs to be fixed; perhaps killboards could count a kill based on the percentage of those on the killmail who were of the alliance who owns the board?
The ISS KB was set up to punish pilots for losing ships, and award only partial credit for kills depending on the number of ships involved. It was (is?) the 'fairest' KB in existence, although towards the end I think gangs of kill-whoring destroyer pilots started taking advantage of it.
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nickky01
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:49:00 -
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very impressive stats MC
i for one am addicted to trolling the MC killboards...though tbh you guys have WAY to many motherships for your own good
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Danari
Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 04:53:00 -
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Count final blows. End of problem. 'Participations' is a curiosity only and worthless with regard to comparisons between pilots, corps or alliancese.
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Firane
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.05 05:04:00 -
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Good read, Seleene. Been awhile for one of these.
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Mizuho Tsukihime
Tsukihime Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.05 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mark Lucius Edited by: Mark Lucius on 04/04/2007 17:15:59 Seleene, I think you forgot the fighters...
*gust of wind; tumbleweed*
Yeah ok, I'll undock again to receive the punishment for bad jokes....
Oh true, and Seleene, you forgot their modules and drones =)
Nice work & stats MC
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Ackaroth
Gallente Plundering Penguins 3asy Company
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Posted - 2007.04.05 05:37:00 -
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Would like to say that even though my alliance is getting caught in the crossfire, MC has been more than generous about letting us escape in pods. A fun crew to sit and shoot the **** with too, if you get the chance :)
Originally by: Hamatitio
"Oregon Trail ALliance [Wagon]"
Description: You Caught Malaria and died.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.05 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Pookie I'm a little slow, so what your saying is, corps and alliances that fly with other corps and alliances tend to artificially get better looking stats. Because they get the kills from both groups but only their losses are applied to the kill/death ratio. Wow, so would I be right in thinking that our stats are all that more impressive as we dont fly with anyone else? Anti-social malcontents FTW!
Luv Pookie
You are correct.
And you might be getting old , this was an issue earlier with BE
You (BE) used to exclude the losses of OOC dictors used to bait people from your stats as well, and you got flamed for it (I remember one or two of your 'campaigns' against ASCN where this was an issue. Since then you have actually changed your ways, and included them in the totals in order to show your real results. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft. |
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