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Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium Sustainable Whaling Inc.
30
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:40:26 -
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Querns wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote: Well actually I wish DBRB was CSM or something, at least some bomber voice would be heard, and he is the only one FC from null that I know. And you will prolly be replaced by other null people, so that changes nothing from our perspective.
So vote, and be the change you wish to see.
Thats really idealist of you :) |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2588
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:41:32 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote:Querns wrote:Kasia en Tilavine wrote:I think everyone appreciates the effort to make the defender missiles and their skills actually do something. But as a dozen people have already said.... nobody bombs anymore. Bombs are so lacking in utility or efficacy, this is the gravestone of bombing as a whole. Unless this release is PAIRED with a whole new suite of bombs, "bombing" will be all but forgotten.
"No one" bombs any more because the entire game flies T3Cs, or other sig-tanking doctrines whose primary benefit is resistance to bombs. Providing counterplay other than training Strategic Cruisers opens up quite a bit of room for other ships to actually get used in nullsec. This is plain wrong. Hurricanes, feroxes, etc. etc. are everywhere.
Tell that to DBRB, who can mysteriously never find any of those when he's online.
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Capqu
Half Empty
1213
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:41:51 -
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Querns wrote:Kasia en Tilavine wrote:I think everyone appreciates the effort to make the defender missiles and their skills actually do something. But as a dozen people have already said.... nobody bombs anymore. Bombs are so lacking in utility or efficacy, this is the gravestone of bombing as a whole. Unless this release is PAIRED with a whole new suite of bombs, "bombing" will be all but forgotten.
"No one" bombs any more because the entire game flies T3Cs, or other sig-tanking doctrines whose primary benefit is resistance to bombs. Providing counterplay other than training Strategic Cruisers opens up quite a bit of room for other ships to actually get used in nullsec.
completely wrong
the most common fleet doctrine in nullsec currently is an mwd shield hurricane bother super easy to bomb
on an unrelated i think you should have to actually get at least 1 killmail in the past 3 months to post on these forums because then theres a chance you might actually know what youre talking about probably not tho at least in your case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2588
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:42:24 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote:Querns wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote: Well actually I wish DBRB was CSM or something, at least some bomber voice would be heard, and he is the only one FC from null that I know. And you will prolly be replaced by other null people, so that changes nothing from our perspective.
So vote, and be the change you wish to see. Thats really idealist of you :)
It's how we get folks onto the CSM. It's not hard; you just vote, instead of not voting.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2588
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:43:49 -
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Capqu wrote: on an unrelated i think you should have to actually get at least 1 killmail in the past 3 months to post on these forums because then theres a chance you might actually know what youre talking about probably not tho at least in your case
Ah, the killboard shame. How it burns!
Why the heck would I want to use Querns, the character, to get kills? He can't even fly a super.
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Capqu
Half Empty
1213
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:44:18 -
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i said unrelated note nothing to do with u fine poster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPntjTPWgKE
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2588
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:45:59 -
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Also, none of my characters have an API on zkb :ssh:
(i still don't really shoot mans with Querns though so zkb is probably pretty accurate)
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Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
1239
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:51:17 -
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So... the "random" part.
Let's say there is a bombing wing with 11 bombers while there are 10 destroyers with d.i.c.k.s. cycling on grid.
Bomber 1 decloakes and launch a bomb.
10 d.i.c.k.s. get triggert by nearby bomb and shoot down the single bomb, causing 120 seconds cooldown on every d.i.c.k.
Remaining 10 bombers decloak and launch bombs.
Very random.
Or do all d.i.c.k.s. on grid communicate with each other and only a single defender missile is fired when there is only one bomb nearby? |
Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium Sustainable Whaling Inc.
30
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:52:20 -
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Querns wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote:Querns wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote: Well actually I wish DBRB was CSM or something, at least some bomber voice would be heard, and he is the only one FC from null that I know. And you will prolly be replaced by other null people, so that changes nothing from our perspective.
So vote, and be the change you wish to see. Thats really idealist of you :) It's how we get folks onto the CSM. It's not hard; you just vote, instead of not voting.
I mean I just stated I didn't want more of nullsec in CSM even though I would have preferred if that will be the case at least bomber FCs being CSM. So im not voting for you.
The people I vote do not win. Because they cant get votes unless they have backing of organized nullsec groups. So its no remedy. |
Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium Sustainable Whaling Inc.
30
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:53:28 -
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Samsara Toldya wrote:So... the "random" part.
Let's say there is a bombing wing with 11 bombers while there are 10 destroyers with d.i.c.k.s. cycling on grid.
Bomber 1 decloakes and launch a bomb.
10 d.i.c.k.s. get triggert by nearby bomb and shoot down the single bomb, causing 120 seconds cooldown on every d.i.c.k.
Remaining 10 bombers decloak and launch bombs.
Very random.
Or do all d.i.c.k.s. on grid communicate with each other and only a single defender missile is fired when there is only one bomb nearby?
Depends on how they do things. But they at least have time and means to communicate, or even decide beforehand who launches when. |
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2588
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:53:41 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote: The people I vote do not win. Because they cant get votes unless they have backing of organized nullsec groups. So its no remedy.
Then organize your own group? You don't even have to blue them or fly with them.
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Spark Progenitori
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:54:16 -
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Does this mean you can buff bombers back up again? Having every dictor, t3d, and CD in a fleet with a defender launcher means you need an exceptional amount of bombers in multiple waves to make an impact.
Like, can we not have cloaked ships decloak each other again? This is a dramatic QOL item for running bomber fleets.
also some variety in bombs would be cool: velocity, range, aoe, maybe even other effects along the lines of void bombs (web, sensor strength, tracking disruption) |
Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium Sustainable Whaling Inc.
30
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:00:31 -
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Querns wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote: The people I vote do not win. Because they cant get votes unless they have backing of organized nullsec groups. So its no remedy.
Then organize your own group? You don't even have to blue them or fly with them.
The problem is having to go through such an effort to make your voice heard. Because it is not like people who actually goes through this effort has a more valuable voice. I think posting here is enough effort to spend for such a goal, but definitely not organizing a campaign, as most do.
The entire CSM system is broken. CCP should rely on carefully reading these forums instead of elections with insignificant turnout to make people feel heard. I mean there is just 2 people who does not represent those nullsec fleets, and 4 people who is entirely independent from NC PL or Goons. Would it be surprising to keep hearing changes which primarily benefits organized big nullsec fleets? |
Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium Sustainable Whaling Inc.
30
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:03:24 -
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Spark Progenitori wrote:Does this mean you can buff bombers back up again? Having every dictor, t3d, and CD in a fleet with a defender launcher means you need an exceptional amount of bombers in multiple waves to make an impact.
Like, can we not have cloaked ships decloak each other again? This is a dramatic QOL item for running bomber fleets.
also some variety in bombs would be cool: velocity, range, aoe, maybe even other effects along the lines of void bombs (web, sensor strength, tracking disruption)
Cloaked ships do not decloak each other already. it was a proposed change but never went alive. |
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
798
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:17:54 -
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Quote:Bombs now have a Minimum Velocity of 1m/s that you must be traveling at before you can launch. This is to fix some issues that can happen when your velocity is 0, causing the bomb not to move and just explode on you. This honestly makes me a little sad. It was a fun little quirk of bombs.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2588
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:27:52 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote:Querns wrote:Olmeca Gold wrote: The people I vote do not win. Because they cant get votes unless they have backing of organized nullsec groups. So its no remedy.
Then organize your own group? You don't even have to blue them or fly with them. The problem is having to go through such an effort to make your voice heard. Because it is not like people who actually goes through this effort has a more valuable voice. I think posting here is enough effort to spend for such a goal, but definitely not organizing a campaign, as most do. The entire CSM system is broken. CCP should rely on carefully reading these forums instead of elections with insignificant turnout to make people feel heard. I mean there is just 2 people who does not represent those nullsec fleets, and 4 people who is entirely independent from NC PL or Goons. Would it be surprising to keep hearing changes which primarily benefits organized big nullsec fleets?
Nah. The CSM works because it allows for the representation of a much larger number of players. A forum post can be made by anyone.
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
798
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:36:31 -
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Here's my question on this: will the new defender launchers only fire a Defender Missile at the start of their cycle, or will it be at any point during their active cycle? Because if it's at any point, then there's no reason not to keep them cycling constantly, but if it's only when they begin their cycle, then it actually adds a (small amount of) strategic element into the change.
If it's only at the beginning of the cycle, that isn't so bad, but if it's at any point during the cycle, that makes it pretty powerful.
If it is at any point, how about a bit of a drawback to using these, then (beyond a small amount of cap)? Destroyers are small ships and benefit from sig tanking (especially T3D's). While the Defender Launcher is cycling, give a +100% sig bloom (double the sig) since the launcher is actively scanning for incoming for bombs.
If it's only at the beginning of the cycle, though, then these aren't going to be nearly as detrimental to bombing as people are thinking (still a nerf, yes, but not a nerf with a crippling nerf).
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Malakai Asamov
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
39
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:37:26 -
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Why would you not announce the details of this new feature at EDU in person? |
Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2588
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:38:04 -
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Malakai Asamov wrote:Why would you not announce this new feature at EDU in person?
It was announced at Eve Vegas.
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Malakai Asamov
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
39
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:39:20 -
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Querns wrote:Malakai Asamov wrote:Why would you not announce this new feature at EDU in person? It was announced at Eve Vegas.
Details? Better yet why would you not leak this on a pub crawl?
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2588
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:41:51 -
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Malakai Asamov wrote:Querns wrote:Malakai Asamov wrote:Why would you not announce this new feature at EDU in person? It was announced at Eve Vegas. Details? Better yet why would you not leak this on a pub crawl?
Pretty much everything in the dev blog was talked about during an Eve Vegas presentation. In fact, one fact that was at the presentation that isn't in the post is that they were initially gonna call this module something that was a backronym for "DICKS." I'm a little sad that the joke was removed, but eh.
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Whisperen
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
54
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:42:05 -
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Why not give this to assault frigates? Some more ships need to be able to bomb maybe a t2 Attack BC or a T2 BS with just frigate bombers and a hard counter on a destroyer hull i doubt this will see much action. |
Angry RedGummyBear
Dystopian Heaven Circle-Of-Two
13
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Posted - 2016.11.26 14:55:48 -
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Capqu wrote: on an unrelated i think you should have to actually get at least 1 killmail in the past 3 months to post on these forums because then theres a chance you might actually know what youre talking about probably not tho at least in your case
THINK OF THE LOGI BROS |
Infrequent
Mass Collapse It Must Be Jelly Cause Jam Don't Shake
99
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Posted - 2016.11.26 15:07:50 -
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Are you actually kidding me right now!? Do you have any idea of the effect this is going to have, nullsec groups that are already entrenched with their shiny fleets will now just use their alpha proxy alliances to screen off bombers at will, you have effectively killed bombing runs in nullsec pvp, keeping in mind that bombing runs are not even that common anymore nor are they OP, this is ridiculous. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1276
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Posted - 2016.11.26 15:59:31 -
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I don't think command destroyers need another special thing they can do. just the unique gamebreaking jump module is enough stuff for a class |
Icarus Narcissus
Pathway to the Next
43
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Posted - 2016.11.26 16:25:16 -
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Will these modules also impact guided bombs from structures?
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Vivace Naaris
OpSec. Wrong Hole.
4
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Posted - 2016.11.26 16:36:48 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:VCBee 2fast2furious wrote:Just to confirm, do Defender Missiles 2.0 distinguish between friendly and non-friendly bombs? They do not, they target a random bomb within intercept range. It does not consider friendly or non-friendly bombs. Rowells wrote:So, in regards to how it selects a bomb, is it truly random or does it pick the closest one? Its truly random.
So the distance of two bombs from the launch point will not make a difference? If one is 5km, another 15 or 20km, it could just as easily go for the 15-20km one?
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Luckyyy Strike
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
1
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Posted - 2016.11.26 16:39:28 -
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maybe balance the nerf by making the bombs explode even after the bombers death...but i bet on legacy code |
Nova Valentis
The Bombers Bar
0
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Posted - 2016.11.26 16:50:31 -
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Hello,
i am definitly biased on this topic since bombing is the only thing that brought me into this game and for me FCing a successfull bombrun is still the best thing in any game ever. Ever. By far.
Reading the threat it seems as if most people find the nerf too harsh and unneeded, i have to agree in some parts. It seems like bombingruns aren't a big factor in the game anymore and i strongly believe it's due to the phoebe bombing nerfs and the way sov. warfare has changed and gotten more mobile. People obviously not willing to spend hours of creating at least six bookmarks for every point of interest ideally at least 1k in distance in each system of a cluster where a fight could happen, plus a few systems on where those two fleets hopefully fighting meet doesnt make it more appealling.
I see how making a useless skill usefull to balance something that was unbalanced half a decade ago sounds appealing. I also see the possibility of large groups strongly benefiting from this. But noone can really predict what will happen so i'd take the challenge and see how it pans out
IF Bombers get unnerfed to pre-phoebe conditions:
1. Warpspeed 2. Agility 3. 10 second bombtime
Why? 1&2 to get bombers in position quicker for bombingruns. 3. Most doctrines can warp out in under 10 seconds without propmod anyway. But having to wait 6s for each following wave is an additional nerf to bombingruns if you do waves.
- some of the reasons bombers got the harsh phoebe nerf are gone from the game now anyway: i.e. IS-boxing bombers - Maybe the reason people dont want to fly battleships as much is due to their warpspeed, not only the abstract fear of 50 bombers.
This would give low SP players a real opportunity to have a meaningfull impact in big nullsec fights, even with a shitton of counters available to their targets.
@CCP i really hope you take the above proposition into consideration. Additional insight: when i try to get new FCs interested in trying to do bombing runs and they say "but it sounds so complicated" i answer: "no you only need to know tactic A, B, variation of B, C, D, F, practice them multiple times probably without any success, these two FC ships, learn all of the common NS doctrines, know each weakpoint and warpouttime, have cloaky dictors everywhere, coordinate everything down to the second have contacts in every major alliance, spend hours of preparation and if you're lucky they don't bring T3s nor blueball and forget how not to get bombed. It'll work 30% of the time, everytime. Oh and you actually gotta FC so a newbro doesnt decloak everyone." - then in those moments i realize why people rather do something else.
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Sbrodor
Oscura Simmetria The Volition Cult
176
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Posted - 2016.11.26 17:16:57 -
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Please CCP remove bomber from game at all so you can apply freely the N+1 > N fight tecnique.
eve online sometime is great DESPITE ccp nerf and modification.
why not introduce the t2 bomb? all single equipment of eveonline have t2 spec?
You nerfed BOMBER to hell , damage overtake of bombs eachother, 12 sec launch time, damage of void and lockbraker, useless dumb ******** void focused bomb with 1m range, useless lockbraker bomb, no t2 bomb, and again smartbomb wall, MJD device for avoid bomb run and now the defender missiles? you need that? make the bomb have the 50% chance of autotrigger inside bombe please NOW cause the CSM10 cry and cry for the next fleet wiped out of bomber....
You cancelled every bomber bar i know except ossim and few other bomber bar maybe could be nice ask to some bomba master before introducing nerf over nerf.
i think this defender missile is stupid and useless and we will continue to bomb and wasting fleet like every single day and if u want specialize even more the bomb run i ask to submit the t2 bomb with more range, more damage, more power.
this is stupid and un-necessary. |
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