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SolApathy
Guardians of Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 20:55:00 -
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As you may or may not recall in December TNT underwent some leadership changes with Baltafett the proud ceo of Alcatraz Inc taking a break from the game, he left the alliance in good spirits and although some core members left to persue their own endevours TNT was still in good spirits, we quickly set about this recruiting new corps and this was done with great success so i would like to publically thank Vanguard Frontiers and Macabre Votum for what they have done.
Last week however the new executor decided that this role was not for him, tired of spending 12hour days in politics, leadership meetings and from being totally burnt out. i myself despite being the second alliance director was semi afk from the game for various reasons. on leaving the corp he left two other people in charge, if i were to sum them up quickly i think muppets would be all too good.
With this new leadership in place and finding that i myself after months of dedication and hardwork to the alliance also being cast out i decided this new vision of TNT was not for me. Baltafett the original executor of the alliance in his somewhat afk state did manage to login to his horror find this new administration in place, one which was not with TNTs original ethnos in mind nor did it include any of its founding/hardcore membership.
I quickly set out to declare support to a new chosen executor since I still had a character in the holding corp I knew as soon as this began it wouldnt take long for the new administration to find out, they quickly removed my roles from this corp and removed my corp from the alliance, however knowing the impending fate of TNT as a leaving gift I was smart enough to remove what little isk was in the wallet circa 1.6bil hardly worth stealing if truth be told I did this however on the provisio that basically the previous administration had earned this isk. When a new executor was chosen anyway this isk would have quickly disappeared into the corner of one of the other holding corp alt's wallets. The isk that was taken then was then divided between the previous leadership as a token of their efforts. The current TNT leadership had this to say in the form of TNTs current description
Quote: Closed Due to SOLAPATHY Being a Alliance Thief
Thank you for reading and sol you didn't get the alliance.
The security valut protecting the TNT wallet showed exactly how the incident happened in the following footage
TNT Vault security images
As the diplomat for TNT for several months it saddens me to see how this has ended in a pit of lies and the current TNT membership has informed me several times that the current administration is cranking up the propaganda machine to put me in the frame as the bad guy. All I have to say on the matter is knowledge is power if you knew what I knew this was comming, furthermore if you believe the propaganda machine go play wow this game is far too sophisticated for you clearly...and remember dont always believe everything you read, except this ofcoure.
SolApathy, signing off, please do not approach me again regarding TNTs diplomatic relations Play with TNT and things explode! |
SolApathy
Guardians of Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 20:55:00 -
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As you may or may not recall in December TNT underwent some leadership changes with Baltafett the proud ceo of Alcatraz Inc taking a break from the game, he left the alliance in good spirits and although some core members left to persue their own endevours TNT was still in good spirits, we quickly set about this recruiting new corps and this was done with great success so i would like to publically thank Vanguard Frontiers and Macabre Votum for what they have done.
Last week however the new executor decided that this role was not for him, tired of spending 12hour days in politics, leadership meetings and from being totally burnt out. i myself despite being the second alliance director was semi afk from the game for various reasons. on leaving the corp he left two other people in charge, if i were to sum them up quickly i think muppets would be all too good.
With this new leadership in place and finding that i myself after months of dedication and hardwork to the alliance also being cast out i decided this new vision of TNT was not for me. Baltafett the original executor of the alliance in his somewhat afk state did manage to login to his horror find this new administration in place, one which was not with TNTs original ethnos in mind nor did it include any of its founding/hardcore membership.
I quickly set out to declare support to a new chosen executor since I still had a character in the holding corp I knew as soon as this began it wouldnt take long for the new administration to find out, they quickly removed my roles from this corp and removed my corp from the alliance, however knowing the impending fate of TNT as a leaving gift I was smart enough to remove what little isk was in the wallet circa 1.6bil hardly worth stealing if truth be told I did this however on the provisio that basically the previous administration had earned this isk. When a new executor was chosen anyway this isk would have quickly disappeared into the corner of one of the other holding corp alt's wallets. The isk that was taken then was then divided between the previous leadership as a token of their efforts. The current TNT leadership had this to say in the form of TNTs current description
Quote: Closed Due to SOLAPATHY Being a Alliance Thief
Thank you for reading and sol you didn't get the alliance.
The security valut protecting the TNT wallet showed exactly how the incident happened in the following footage
TNT Vault security images
As the diplomat for TNT for several months it saddens me to see how this has ended in a pit of lies and the current TNT membership has informed me several times that the current administration is cranking up the propaganda machine to put me in the frame as the bad guy. All I have to say on the matter is knowledge is power if you knew what I knew this was comming, furthermore if you believe the propaganda machine go play wow this game is far too sophisticated for you clearly...and remember dont always believe everything you read, except this ofcoure.
SolApathy, signing off, please do not approach me again regarding TNTs diplomatic relations Play with TNT and things explode! |
DaHeaVYFo
Guardians of Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 20:58:00 -
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I back SolApathy up on this. I myself hate corp thieves, call it friends robbing from friends. With Balta coming back to the game, and TnT turning it's back to the founder, actions had to be taken.
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DaHeaVYFo
Guardians of Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 20:58:00 -
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I back SolApathy up on this. I myself hate corp thieves, call it friends robbing from friends. With Balta coming back to the game, and TnT turning it's back to the founder, actions had to be taken.
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Minigin
Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.30 20:59:00 -
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lol thats just gold Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
if lots of bad ppl come looking for me... tell them im afk |
Traderjohn
Caldari Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:17:00 -
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backing sol on this one :)
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Killer2
Amarr The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:26:00 -
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Cheers Sol!
As always, I'm behind you on this one. |
Super Twinkey69
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:43:00 -
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wow couldnt believe this when i heard about it,what ****,with ya all the way sol
can i have some? yeah |
Kam SingDu'k
Singularity. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:46:00 -
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Hmmm even you ureself said that the 1.6 was a paltry sum yet you still take it... Wouldn't it have been better just to war dec the alliance? Then again moral highground was never a priority in this game.
Good luck in the future although methinks the money was not enough payback for them turning their backs on you guys.
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SolApathy
Guardians of Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.03.30 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kam SingDu'k Hmmm even you ureself said that the 1.6 was a paltry sum yet you still take it... Wouldn't it have been better just to war dec the alliance? Then again moral highground was never a priority in this game.
Good luck in the future although methinks the money was not enough payback for them turning their backs on you guys.
what would i have to gain from killing the innocent leadership, if i had left it. someone else would have just ninja'd it away. so being one step ahead i took it and divided to to those who did deserve it.
Play with TNT and things explode! |
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Bethy Chan
Caldari the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.30 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bethy Chan on 30/03/2007 22:13:06 Only said person who is hotheaded and thinks his action rightous however low they may be.... justified, would try and spin it on a public forum to make himself look so the brave hero, you are no better then the xelas inside member who trys to wreak havoc on his alliance and its combined hard work on a public forum. what u did was low becuase u didnt get what u wanted, u kicked and screamed and caused as much damage as you could on your way out creating propeganda and your own version of events... rather disapointed in your selfish actions and hope everyone that reads this understands who would post this and be so selfish in such childish ways.
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 22:15:00 -
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So, would you care explaining who these "muppets' are?
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DiNoer
DFCK Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.30 22:16:00 -
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o/ Sol
Nice to see you taking control over a decaying situ... sad when it happens.
Fs bro!
La prospTritT de l'Gme libre. La prospTritT de la fTdTration |
Noumena
the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.30 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Noumena on 30/03/2007 23:42:53 *Muppet #1 steps up a different perspective...
about a month ago, TNT leadership was showing signs of falling apart. This is Kraz, Sol, and Lunarra. Sol wasnt able to login his main account for reasons i wont discuss, Lunarra was missing in action, and Kraz was doing the best he could with what he had to deal with on his own. His council left him to lead the alliance alone. He got stressed, happens to the best of us.
Now all the while since balta left, each member corp payed alliance dues to the tune of 5m per membercorp's members. This money accumulated in the holding corps wallet for things like jump-POS's and the likes. This is the same ISK that was removed by Sol just recently.
Last week kraz came to me, and also barthezz about taking over TNT leadership. barthezz and i discussed awhile and agreed to lead to the best of our ability. At this time, SCRM was on it's way out, followed by GARDS. to the best of my knowledge, SCRM were basically looking for something else to do. As for GARDS, its my guess that his(sol's) lack of participation over the last month, made some of his corp upset. Upset enough to break away and make a GARDS v2.0 of which would become another member corp of TNT. Sol had already said he planned to go to invictus at this time.
This was the story as barth and i understood it. GARDS reforming due to internal issues, and SCRM leaving due to boredom/stress.
a few days ago, i am told the ISK was removed from the holding corps wallet. The same isk which would NOT have been used for anything else other than what was needed to encourage growth of TNT. upon learning this information, EMOTE goes through their own internal problems, of which the decision to leave TNT was made. I cant lead the alliance alone. i have a kid on the way, work, and college to attend to. It was now obvious it was all over. other corps soon announced that they too were leaving too.
we only knew what we were told. i exclaimed to Sol how i felt...though its not proper to leave the quote here. What he did was wrong. It the earmark of the definitive end of TNT. While there were some of us who cared enough to keep it going.
Baltafett is an old friend of mine. A friendship forged what seems eons ago now. IT was obvious barthezz wasnt too happy with the return of balta, and i too was sketchy, based on the means at which he was returning. there were no convos, no internal forum posts...nothing. simply a corp mail in the hold corps inbox, "give me the leadership back". i asked barthezz not to start any fires, for us to physically talk with balta first to see where he stands. This is our side of the story....
From our perspective, it looked as though Sol was having his own problems with GARDS breaking up. He also seemed a bit bitter...not being in the drivers seat. THAT is what it looks like to me. All i know is what my environment tells me. I have yet to train ESP...
My exact words to what Sol did was, "There may be nothing wrong with what you did, its the steps you chose to do it in which ****es me off....get the **** out of my face"
p.s. good initiative of getting it on the public forums...hopefully it was soon enough to save your ass.
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captain kikaz
Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.03.30 23:47:00 -
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The said muppets that you refer to were ASKED to take lead in TNT.
You came into our t/s channel the other night and we were upbeat about the future of the alliance. You sat and listened to how we were looking forward to taking the alliance to a new level.
In this conversation you were also talking about closing guards and doing something else anyway.So plans were made to better tnt obviously you didn't like the fact that they didn't involve you in a central role
as for you pointing out those involved as potential thiefs i am disgusted
for 7 months paradox v2.0 has been loyal to TNT
when we joined tnt we moved to stain within 2 days
when the call came to move to great wildlands to assist imperial order,foundation e's and whizz defend against -v- and lv we were there in a day.
we are moving to the dronelands tnt command said, Cool we said, again mobilized and moved within 3 days.
for the first 3 weeks of being in droneland paradox was tnt pvp i dare you to say other wise even alliance leadership noted that we were 90% of the pvp going on.
we took loses and made kills to secure space for tnt
Paradox pilots were involved in 95% of fleet operations within tnt.
I was proud to fly under the tnt banner right up until my last few days with the alliance you have sullied it for me and i hope anyone reading this realises you are a thief and a liar and basically gives you everything you deserve
To hell with you solapathy i hope everyone reading this realises there are two sides to every story.
this post is my view not my corp or alliances if you wanna speak to me about it feel free i have no charges set for private convos.
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Peoke
Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.31 00:23:00 -
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so from what i gather one side stole isk the other is disbanding correct or no
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Moha Mend
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Posted - 2007.03.31 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: SolApathy
however knowing the impending fate of TNT as a leaving gift I was smart enough to remove what little isk was in the wallet circa 1.6bil hardly worth stealing if truth be told I did this however on the provisio that basically the previous administration had earned this isk. When a new executor was chosen anyway this isk would have quickly disappeared into the corner of one of the other holding corp alt's wallets. The isk that was taken then was then divided between the previous leadership as a token of their efforts.
It is just hard to believe I'm reading this.
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SolApathy
Guardians of Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.03.31 00:44:00 -
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As for the corps leaving inlight of this thats a lie, Macabre Votum whom is the corp that honestly kept the alliance alive and the killboards will back me up on this, with them leaving alone resulted in several other corps supporting them too now i wont go into details thats not my place to say.
As for i didnt get the drivers seat to be totally honest i didnt want it with Krazow gone a true friend of mine and SCRM there wasnt much to stay for, i acted on behalf of the creator of the alliance sure my name is in the logs hell im not denying that. but since the previous administration earned that fund why leave it for you to steal i knew this would be the case once the vote for executorship was initated.
as for GARDS haveing internal issues only internal issues was it was now filled with idiots and carebears, of the tight 25man corp only 12 were mains. only 5 mains were pvpers over time we had lost some of our core guys and i dunno how it happened but we just ended up with carebears likely as i committed too much to the alliance and little for my own corp. this was not the purpose of GARDs of the said mains only 3 of them ever attened alliance ops, one pilot of mine now in EMOTE whined so bad about not working as a team when scheduled ops were made he made execuses why he couldnt turn up...members like this are worthless why have them?
as for the last guy cant believe your reading what? Play with TNT and things explode! |
SolApathy
Guardians of Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.03.31 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Peoke so from what i gather one side stole isk the other is disbanding correct or no
well tbh with most of the core guys gone leaving only 3 small corps effectively in TNT sooner or later it would have folded or been crushed. as for the trust thing i was in that holding corp for months, never took a thing and there was a lot more isk in there at times not to mention how politically damaging i could have been if i wanted. i mean i could have destroyed TNT much more given alliances dont have to vote i could have spanked away all the isk declaring war on our friends... good friends. ofcourse i would never do this TNT meant so much to me it consumed so much of my time i hate to have seen it go this way but at the end of the day why allow it to slowly wither and die, balta is currently taking a break from game but im sure he did have plans once again for it when he returns atleast he hinted upon this anyway.
Play with TNT and things explode! |
Noumena
the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.31 01:15:00 -
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So let me get this straight...
Balta leaves the game, takes a break...
3 months pass..each month membercorps pay into the holdcorp wallet.
Balta asks you to take our ISK out of the wallet and put it in his.
Balta...ifyou are reading this...thx for a big ******* waste of time...waste of ISK too
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Leikeze Mrotserif
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.03.31 01:54:00 -
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hooray!
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Bishop 5
Gallente Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2007.03.31 01:58:00 -
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yeah.. kinda makes sense I suppose. then again... I am pretty high.
*shrug* point me to the next target tbh. -------------
meh |
Gaunty
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2007.03.31 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Gaunty on 31/03/2007 02:31:06 I'm backing Sol on this.
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Butternut Squash
Gallente Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2007.03.31 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Butternut Squash on 31/03/2007 02:44:01 Well I feel kinda split on this one myself, I have been quite vocal about Kraz's leadership style, I disliked it intensly, however Sol was part of that same inner sanctum and I have nothing but respect for the guy, I understand exactly where he was coming from in his way of thinking about payback and I also fully support his bringing this into the public domain, his name has been slandered and libelled throughout alliance mails, nobody had any qualms about doing that even though Sol had no opportunity to respond. Fact is, new administration should have no rights to funds gained under the old administration ... the greatest shame about all of this is that with better communication TNT could still be a major force, I have seen the communication issue bring down more alliances than any other factor.
To the remnants of TNT and its leadership, I wish you well, I have no grudges against any of you and commend you for taking on the role ... I truly hope you can find the means to making TNT succeed ...
This is my opinion, not my corps ... but I still have to get a dig in at those nubs who gave me crap the other day for enlightening them on matters they were obviously too immature to understand. One day guys you will gain wisdom ...
I am jealous of my wife ... she already has a titan :D |
BlackMoon Thrawn
the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:18:00 -
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Quote: as for GARDS haveing internal issues only internal issues was it was now filled with idiots and carebears, of the tight 25man corp only 12 were mains. only 5 mains were pvpers over time we had lost some of our core guys and i dunno how it happened but we just ended up with carebears likely as i committed too much to the alliance and little for my own corp. this was not the purpose of GARDs of the said mains only 3 of them ever attened alliance ops, one pilot of mine now in EMOTE whined so bad about not working as a team when scheduled ops were made he made execuses why he couldnt turn up...members like this are worthless why have them?
What they did to you wasn't right. You were in our corp ts channel less than a week ago telling us how they cleaned the corp and all your assets out. We all agreed it was a ****ty thing to do and here you are a few days later doing the same thing to the alliance.
All Balta had to do was get on ts and ask for the alliance back. The isk you took wasn't yours to take or Baltas for that matter. It was the alliances, you did your job as alliance diplomat nothing more nothing less. If you feel that required compensation perhaps you should have worked that out beforehand.
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Shadow2004
Vanguard Frontiers Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:26:00 -
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SolApathy ninja's all ur asses ONLY THE GOOD DIE YOUNG !!!! |
Vlad Cetes
Caldari Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.03.31 03:52:00 -
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/me gives Sol kudos for helping out Balta. Balta ur a kickass dude & hope u get some more crazy-ass **** up & running.
This sig is secured by Chuck Norris. Don't mess with the man! |
URSOKWL
Macabre Votum
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Posted - 2007.03.31 04:55:00 -
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Whats Really Going On!!!!
TNT fought the alliance for 3 months, while in 2 dif carebear alliances, ENTRO then Guardian Coalition.
Couldnt beat em, so I joined em [M.V], was in TNT for a day, hey didnt even lose any friends over it. Got a few nice screen shots, Now I am in corp with the proper attitudes.
Never being a carebear, I have found a home in Macabre Votum.
check out the unofficial graphic. And Stay tuned to SHIP DESTROYED for Frapps updates
U R SO KWL
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Raaki
The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2007.03.31 06:36:00 -
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Hehe it's 1.6B guys grow up.
Who payed the 1b initial alliance setup fee anyways ?
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Barthezz
Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.03.31 10:11:00 -
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When Krazow got control of the alliance, the alliance wallet was pretty much empty. Since then it has been build up by the alliance members, where you promptly pointed out that both Paradox v2.0 and the Organ Grinder and Company where the most active corps. MV (did VAF?) had never payed alliance tax, and perhaps if they did they would have felt differently.
You felt that it was 'ok' to steal this money because you would then stop it from getting raided by someone else when ALTZ took back control. If you really wanted to solve this in a good manner, you would have given everyone who had payed tax their fair share back. With that said, did the money eventually end up with Baltafett or did you just keep it yourself, because its pretty well known that you needed money.
No what you did was out of spite that you where no longer involved in TNT leadership, you where being a child and cried. The fun part is, if you had -asked- or even talked to me or Noumena about helping out, I'm sure we would have agreed and given your old diplomacy role back.
But you didnt, and I'm not really surprised as it fits with your actions from the past month or so where you expressed multiple times that you where fed up with leadership and diplomacy.
Both me and Noumena where asked to lead the alliance, we never 'assumed' control. If anything, both me and Noumena where hesitant to do it at first but if TNT was going to survive, we where going to have to lead.
Now TNT is going under, not because of me or Noumena, but because of you and Baltafett. But that was your plan after all, as you stated that once Balta got control he would close TNT.
What you did was low and uncalled for and I hope you will always be remembered as an alliance thief and traitor that tried as much as he can to ruin as many things when he didn't get what he wanted.
I wont argue any further because your not worth it, have fun betraying your next alliance or corporation for that matter.
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