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m1thr0s
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.31 11:10:52 -
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I am noticing an uptick in misogyny in Eve. It has always been there and in my opinion many of the GM''s are tolerant of it. It has never been tolerated in World of Warcraft, and they have even gone out of their way to make their female models realistic looking compared to other games where they just have enormous breasts and a tiny waist.
Well obviously I play a male character sometimes but I am a female and in the Help channel yesterday when I mentioned this because some idiot was accusing me of trying to "attract chicks" or something because I was talking about solo pvp and how it is better than big fleet pvp if you are coming from a true pvp game (FPS). He was upset because obviously proud of his killboard but it was really not excuse. Saying that reccomending solo pvp is to impress "chicks" is totally dumb and sexist. But then after mentioning it people in the channel also started to contort into the weird and gross misogynistic forms saying I needed to voice chat with them to prove I was a girl and send them pics, and then they also said weird stuff like "Well girls play male characters but its extremely rare." this had nothing to do with the topic. I was having a great conversation and suddenly I just was overcome with violent urges. No one talks like this in real life unless they want to get in a fight of course. The internet makes monsters out of mice.
Okay then today I was in an asteroid belt mining on a character I roleplay with (a female) and this player kills my ship. I said "why did you do that" and they said "bitches love killmails" i reported that idiot but I doubt CCP will do anything to this dumb ass
Also there are corps with horrible names that I have reported multiple times that show ascii art of **** and buttholes and rapey sounding names with womens breasts. CCP never does anything about it.
This game is full of gentleman but has an seedy underbelly of disgusting cretins who should have been banned a long time ago.
Ya'll want more women in the game and wonder why mostly American women represent the very few females in the game its because we have to put up with disgusting guys irl here at home I don't see European women as willing to do that. It drives away a lot of women from the game who arn't used to the military culture. Even those of us who are used to grittier talk don't want to constantly be bombarded with it.
Guys in Eve get really weird around girls on comms. I don't mind the "nice weird" like "wow a girl its great to hear a girl for once" what I am talking about is these pricks who go out of their way to make a girl uncomfortable and passive aggressively stalk them and try to get them to quit the game or quit the corp, whatever.
Every one of y'all guys who stand up for women and tell other guys to STFU on comms when they're being creepy and those who restrain themselves and just let us play like a normal player I appreciate you and I know a lot of other ladies do to.
I understand hetero guys like having women around and that's fine, I appreciate the finer points of flirting and sexual discussions but there is a line and the only way these morons are going to learn how to act around women like the grown ass men they are is if gentlemen show them how to act and I want to say I appreciate all you do.
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helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
609
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Posted - 2016.10.31 11:26:26 -
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Just give the impression that your hot and everyone will be polite to you. Works for me
edit... sorry my trolly self couldnt resist. But seriously, thats just life, there are good people and their are tards. Find a better corp where you dont have to put up with that crap. They do exist and are more common than you think.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.10.31 11:49:50 -
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m1thr0s wrote:Ya'll want more women in the game and wonder why mostly American women represent the very few females in the game its because we have to put up with disgusting guys irl here at home I don't see European women as willing to do that.
Actually, we don't want more women in the game. "Don't bring real life into the game" is something that a lot of games are striving for nowadays, so it doesn't matter what you are in RL; we'd like to attract new players to the game, don't care whether they're women or men.
It's a PVP game. People will, at the very least, cuss at you for killing their ship, and it can go as far as attempts to hack / DDoS your IP address, and death threats; it's just what people do. CCP has a no harassment policy, but there's only so much that they can do.
As far as the superiority of European women, let's discuss that in more detail, because I believe you'll get flamed to hell and it should be fun to watch. How do you rate Australian, Russian, Brazilian, and Japanese women on this scale of "willing to put up with disgusting guys"? Because, you know, Europe + US isn't the entirety of the globe.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.31 12:09:24 -
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m1thr0s wrote: I was having a great conversation and suddenly I just was overcome with violent urges. This right here is your solution IMHO. Anyone acting the degenerate arse should be violenced, and their friends violenced until they are ostracized, And then violenced some more for good measure.
I'm not about to try and dismiss or downplay your own experience here but
I will say
you really might want to consider that as an American playing in an American time zone you're inherently less likely to come across Europeans who are by definition much more likely to play in a European timezone, And that this might have something to do with your impression of how many EU women there are
You Known
Before you make a sweeping generalization about European women broad enough to make trump curl his toe's.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.10.31 12:22:22 -
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Ditto on what Ralph said.
As a male, your experience isn't something I will ever have to endure and frankly, it's hard to fathom what goes on at times. Having read your post just as it was submitted I didn't really know what or how to post.
Thankfully Ralph to my rescue, because his sentiments are a good summary of my view.
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Asmodai Xodai
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.31 12:28:46 -
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Let's please leave the cultural war, feminism, and politically-correct BS out of the game please. I have to put up with enough of it outside in the real world. I don't come here to have more of it forced on me.
Women and men are socialized differently. I'm fine with that. But I'm not fine with feminization being forced my way.
I'm fine with more girls playing... or not. I really don't care either way, unless they start crying over every bad word or rude behavior they see, and go running to CCP to tell on people. Next I'll be reading on these forums that ships look too phallic, and it offends girls, and they should be redesigned to be less offensive to them. |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.10.31 12:31:14 -
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The female/male ratio is high in WoW and SWTOR because those games provide the type of social interaction that women seem to like. The female/male ratio is even higher on Facebook, and I would guess it approaches 90% on phone games.
EVE is an ultra-violent PVP game with ships (not avatars). The social interaction here is aimed at degrading everyone who is not your friend, as a form of psych warfare. Join a group, even the Goons, hated as they are, and you'll probably be treated with respect and friendship; solo, however, you're everyone's enemy, easy prey.
Also, the Help channel is truly the worst channel in game; all the trolls are there because it's a global channel, and it's worse than Barrens chat was, back in the day when it was the worst. |
m1thr0s
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.31 12:43:59 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:m1thr0s wrote:Ya'll want more women in the game and wonder why mostly American women represent the very few females in the game its because we have to put up with disgusting guys irl here at home I don't see European women as willing to do that. Actually, we don't want more women in the game. "Don't bring real life into the game" is something that a lot of games are striving for nowadays, so it doesn't matter what you are in RL; we'd like to attract new players to the game, don't care whether they're women or men. It's a PVP game. People will, at the very least, cuss at you for killing their ship, and it can go as far as attempts to hack / DDoS your IP address, and death threats; it's just what people do. CCP has a no harassment policy, but there's only so much that they can do. As far as the superiority of European women, let's discuss that in more detail, because I believe you'll get flamed to hell and it should be fun to watch. How do you rate Australian, Russian, Brazilian, and Japanese women on this scale of "willing to put up with disgusting guys"? Because, you know, Europe + US isn't the entirety of the globe.
The royal we, the tool of weak arguments and bigots everywhere. Gamergate apologist flavor. I wasnt talking about the superiority of European women I was talking about the multitude of chauvinist pigs we have here in the states that we've just learned to live with.
If you don't want more women in the game then you don't deserve to be on the internet because you're a godamned caveman and you don't deserve to be in the Western world. Y'all need to just go back to the middle east with all of the orientalist thinkers.
I get ganked in World of Warcraft way more than in Eve, much as Eve players have a inferiority complex about it this isn't the hardest pvp game in the world. Eve players are the biggest weenies about bragging about their l33t pvp skills and this goes hand in hand with the immature manchild behavior of its players. |
m1thr0s
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.31 12:54:55 -
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helana Tsero wrote:Just give the impression that your hot and everyone will be polite to you. Works for me edit... sorry my trolly self couldnt resist. But seriously, thats just life, there are good people and their are tards. Find a better corp where you dont have to put up with that crap. They do exist and are more common than you think.
Well that's the thing I've had some amazing experiences with some fantastic people in this game, really. But they are drowning in dogshit, constantly forced to listen to the crap coming out of the fingers of these wretches just the same as all the girls who they consider friends not just a piece of meat to troll and abuse. I wrote this as a sincere thanks because even though this stuff happens every now and again Im immediately reminded of amazing guys who also play the game and that keeps me going despite all of the hatred and anger it incites in me (which is their intention of course)
They always try to bully anyone who tries to talk about it, watch them crawl out of the woodwork anytime someone threatens to point out their evil but I'm not afraid of ****.
Eve is filled with them and the less there are the more the game will prosper. With the free to play coming out more is on the line than ever before.
It's not just women, Eve is one of the last games I play (or should I say bother to play) that still thinks making fun of gays, lesbians and **** is perfectly ok.
Hell half the time I think that the reason there's so much hatred towards GSF is because the leadership has drawn a line in the sand about using words like "******", criticizing gay people and its great attitude towards women. Nothing pisses off a piece of **** misogynist quite so much as telling them their backwards and anti-Western behavior is unacceptable. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
18876
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Posted - 2016.10.31 12:55:12 -
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m1thr0s
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.31 12:59:24 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:m1thr0s wrote:The royal we, the tool of weak arguments and bigots everywhere. . Excuse me but you're the one making sweeping generalizations about European women being less capable of handling an online environment. If you want to have an adult conversation, act like an adult.
Haha but you know it's true, missing the point entirely because you know I'm right and you're trying to make this into me being a "bigot" its absolutely true. Get on comms in FW or anywhere else in this game if you run into a woman 90% of the time she's going to be American or Australian because they're salty and scrappy.
That is the actual real reason.
I am an adult woman 36damned years old so don't bring your belittling misogynistic little girl **** in here. You are part of the problem and your attitude and kind will go extinct it's just a matter of time.
People who use a comparison to little kids as an insult are either hateful towards children or women. I know your kind up down and sideways. You're going to continue to lose until you're extinct. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
45281
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Posted - 2016.10.31 12:59:37 -
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Well that went south quickly.
Attitudes all around can be equally divisive at times.
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The Golden Serpent
The Abrahadabra Institute
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Posted - 2016.10.31 13:06:15 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Well that went south quickly.
Attitudes all around can be equally divisive at times.
with Eve you shine a flashlight on their little antics and they all start coming out on the defensive trying to belittle the speaker. It's the Freudian fear of castration manifesting and I love watching them lose. They and their orientalist thinking are getting castrated big time this century. People think the West is on the decline but I disagree Western thinking and Western values will never be defeated.
The problem with those who are kind enough to be reasonably polite to women is most of the time those same people are too polite to say anything to these dirtbags. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.31 13:09:28 -
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m1thr0s wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:m1thr0s wrote:The royal we, the tool of weak arguments and bigots everywhere. . Excuse me but you're the one making sweeping generalizations about European women being less capable of handling an online environment. If you want to have an adult conversation, act like an adult. Haha but you know it's true, missing the point entirely because you know I'm right and you're trying to make this into me being a "bigot" its absolutely true. Get on comms in FW or anywhere else in this game if you run into a woman 90% of the time she's going to be American or Australian because they're salty and scrappy. That is the actual real reason. I am an adult woman 36damned years old so don't bring your belittling misogynistic little girl **** in here. You are part of the problem and your attitude and kind will go extinct it's just a matter of time. People who use a comparison to little kids as an insult are either hateful towards children or women. No, you're too volatile for this conversation and you already made it ugly. I'm not going to continue with this conversation (which is why I edited my last post).
To be absolutely 100% clear with you: Sexism is bad, Degenerate behaviour is also bad, Racism is also bad,
I was agreeing with and explicitly not dismissing you on two of those points , calling you out on the another.
I'm out.
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.10.31 13:20:44 -
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
7208
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Posted - 2016.11.01 14:42:27 -
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m1thr0s wrote:I am noticing an uptick in misogyny in Eve. It has always been there and in my opinion many of the GM''s are tolerant of it. CCP, our Customer Support team included, operates on a zero tolerance policy regarding real life harassment and abuse. This is something we strongly condemn and always have been condemning. You will never see anything else from us, Developers and Game Masters included.
If you feel harassed, or if you notice a clear violation of our Terms of Service, please immediately send a report to our Customer Support team with the relevant information. Please do not wait and hope that harassment will go away on its own if you just hide well enough. Instead, file a support ticket so that we can deal with it accordingly.
There are legit game mechanics, and there is harassment. While EVE is a harsh universe where your game actions can have severe consequences in game, real life harassment and abuse do absolutely not belong in any shape or form to EVE.
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
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