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Sidi'Novis Tallon
The Dude's Interstellar Enterprizes Quixotic Hegemony
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Posted - 2012.01.04 16:52:00 -
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I don't understand why some people are so upset. From what I understand the game won't be limited to a controller, you'll have the option to use a mouse and keyboard as well as the Move or a controller. If you want to play it like a PC game go ahead and to be honest a game like Dust will be better on the PS3 than the PC, then at least everyone is on the same standard.
Having Dust on PC could be a fail flop in it's own right, just like it could on any console. If having a better rig meant being on top of the hill then essentially people can just buy their advantage. It's better this way.
Also a game like Dust on PC is far more likely to be hacked and modded then a PS3 counterpart. |
thub
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.04 17:35:00 -
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actually sid'nova the likelihood of hacking is based on the stability of the game engine it is based on. In this case the unreal 3 engine.
Also the "pay to have an advantage" bit is a load of bull. nearly any modern computer of mid to high end can easily run UT3 and the unreal 3 engine. The only difference is for the lower end PCs there are these things called "graphics options" lol that is the beauty of the PC, the ability to change the level of detail in a game. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
713
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Posted - 2012.01.04 17:55:00 -
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WisdomLikeSilence wrote: I mean have you ever played an FPS with your thumbs? its ludicrous to think this could be done. Anyone whining about this is foolhardy !
It's kinda ludicrous that there are PC fanbois here who don't believe there are millions addicted to Halo and enjoying it just fine with their thumbsticks.
You're absolutely right though, it only works if EVERYONE's on thumbsticks. its arguably slower and less responsive, but still fun and balanced if you're used to thumbsticks and everyone's using them.
Your observation is exactly why we WONT see a PC version of Dust 514 - this is a console game. PC players would indeed smoke anyone trying to play with a Dualshock or Move controller, so its not going to happen. CCP doesnt need the revenue bad enough to try to push sales numbers fast and open up more platforms....I sincerely doubt we'll see a "PC fallback" cause they aren't selling PS3 copies fast enough.
I know its tough medicine to swallow, but there are just as many intelligent adults who enjoy playing video games on a couch with a controller as there are that prefer a task chair and a keyboard. This is a chance for CCP to share the love with the other half, and why not? This allows more people to enjoy one of the deepest gaming worlds out there. Platforms and input methods are simply personal choice - at the end of the day this just means that more gamers will have a chance to experience New Eden in their own way.
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Balthazar Baraz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:16:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:WisdomLikeSilence wrote: I mean have you ever played an FPS with your thumbs? its ludicrous to think this could be done. Anyone whining about this is foolhardy !
It's kinda ludicrous that there are PC fanbois here who don't believe there are millions addicted to Halo and enjoying it just fine with their thumbsticks. You're absolutely right though, it only works if EVERYONE's on thumbsticks. its arguably slower and less responsive, but still fun and balanced if you're used to thumbsticks and everyone's using them. Your observation is exactly why we WONT see a PC version of Dust 514 - this is a console game. PC players would indeed smoke anyone trying to play with a Dualshock or Move controller, so its not going to happen. CCP doesnt need the revenue bad enough to try to push sales numbers fast and open up more platforms....I sincerely doubt we'll see a "PC fallback" cause they aren't selling PS3 copies fast enough. I know its tough medicine to swallow, but there are just as many intelligent adults who enjoy playing video games on a couch with a controller as there are that prefer a task chair and a keyboard. This is a chance for CCP to share the love with the other half, and why not? This allows more people to enjoy one of the deepest gaming worlds out there. Platforms and input methods are simply personal choice - at the end of the day this just means that more gamers will have a chance to experience New Eden in their own way.
CCP have hinted that DUST may well be keyboard and mouse compatible on the PS3. So instead of arguing like children why don't you all just sit down, suck it up and wait and see.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
714
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Posted - 2012.01.04 18:40:00 -
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Balthazar Baraz wrote: CCP have hinted that DUST may well be keyboard and mouse compatible on the PS3. So instead of arguing like children why don't you all just sit down, suck it up and wait and see.
What??? Actually see how something turns out before we all pass judgement? Such rationality in online forums is unheard of.
+1
For the record, I personally could care less whether Dust is controlled by thumbstick, mouse, or Wii-mote. Games are games, i enjoy them regardless of platform or input method as long as they are fun.
Including KB / Mouse support would be a nice gesture at least to all the PC shooter fans dismayed by the console decision. I hope its included, unless it becomes overpowered. My guess is that if a PS3 mouse user is smoking all those that use dualshocks, they may just have everyone use dualshocks / Move guns. Perhaps this will be ironed out in the beta tests?
You're right though, panic and fury are all premature at this point. There's a ton we still just don't know about the game. |
Balthazar Baraz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.04 19:02:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Balthazar Baraz wrote: CCP have hinted that DUST may well be keyboard and mouse compatible on the PS3. So instead of arguing like children why don't you all just sit down, suck it up and wait and see.
What??? Actually see how something turns out before we all pass judgement? Such rationality in online forums is unheard of. +1 For the record, I personally could care less whether Dust is controlled by thumbstick, mouse, or Wii-mote. Games are games, i enjoy them regardless of platform or input method as long as they are fun. Including KB / Mouse support would be a nice gesture at least to all the PC shooter fans dismayed by the console decision. I hope its included, unless it becomes overpowered. My guess is that if a PS3 mouse user is smoking all those that use dualshocks, they may just have everyone use dualshocks / Move guns. Perhaps this will be ironed out in the beta tests? You're right though, panic and fury are all premature at this point. There's a ton we still just don't know about the game.
I agree with pretty much all of what you've just said, albeit we are on opposite sides of the War - I salute you.
The only reason I'll be playing is because I got a PS3, for all intents and purposes, dropped in my lap. I certainly wouldn't have considering buying one solely for DUST. But I've got to say now I have one I am eager to see the release and have applied for Beta keys with all my accounts.
On a side note I've also registered for the Planetside 2 Beta. Which should also be awesome... I loved Planetside, until the expansions. Any I shall not derail further!
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Mercy Crow
Black Legion Projects
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Posted - 2012.01.04 22:51:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk wrote:no PC - no play.
that is all.
As of June 2008, the number of personal computers in use worldwide hit one billion, while another billion is expected to be reached by 2014.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer
Worldwide sales figures 1.Wii GÇô 89.36 million as of 30 September 2011[9] 2.Xbox 360 GÇô 57.6 million as of 4 November 2011[38] 3.PlayStation 3 GÇô 56 million as of 2 November 2011[39]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars#Seventh_generation |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.04 23:23:00 -
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NO PS3 nor any desire to buy one. Have 360 though |
el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2012.01.04 23:31:00 -
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Hmm ... PS3 - 250+ USD DUST 514 - 50ish USD
No. |
Caldain Morrow
The Reavers Externus Hostis
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Posted - 2012.01.04 23:38:00 -
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Have any beta keys been given out yet? |
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Aegis Stormborn
Trauma Ward Free Beer.
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Posted - 2012.01.05 00:30:00 -
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I feel like I just went over this a couple pages ago but since you seem to be extra slow we'll cover it again.
First, people use PCs for more than FPS games. I think this is where your logic (or lack thereof) steered you wrong. You need to be looking at FPS sales by platform.
http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php
Check there for video game sales. You will see that the highest performing FPS game on the list is Call of Duty Black Ops.
COD Black Ops Sales:
Xbox: 13.25 million PS3: 11.23 million PC: 1.32 million
Consoles outsold PC by about 18 to 1.
Next most successful FPS game would be COD Modern Warfare 2. Those sales figures are as follows:
Xbox: 12.67 million PS3: 9.77 million PC: 65 thousand
Consoles outsold PC by 34 to 1.
This type of sales gap repeats itself with any major FPS title. Anybody that tries to infer CCP is going after a smaller FPS audience by going with a console over PC couldn't be any more incorrect. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2012.01.05 02:21:00 -
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I'm kinda confused. I got an email saying that I was eligible to sign up for beta access. Then in the fine print I read that only players living in Europe and the US will be granted access. Which sucks as I am in Australia.
CCP what's the deal? Are aussies excluded from the beta?
If so, why bother sending out the emails in the first place, you already have the residential locations of players? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
ROD04
The GreyWolf Paradigm
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Posted - 2012.01.05 05:02:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:I'm kinda confused. I got an email saying that I was eligible to sign up for beta access. Then in the fine print I read that only players living in Europe and the US will be granted access. Which sucks as I am in Australia.
CCP what's the deal? Are aussies excluded from the beta?
If so, why bother sending out the emails in the first place, you already have the residential locations of players?
can i have yours j/k
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Sokniw
Dead Pod Syndrome MORE.DPS
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Posted - 2012.01.05 05:03:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:I'm kinda confused. I got an email saying that I was eligible to sign up for beta access. Then in the fine print I read that only players living in Europe and the US will be granted access. Which sucks as I am in Australia.
CCP what's the deal? Are aussies excluded from the beta?
If so, why bother sending out the emails in the first place, you already have the residential locations of players?
It was a mass e-mail all active eve subs got this email. |
ROD04
The GreyWolf Paradigm
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Posted - 2012.01.05 05:23:00 -
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<------ didnt get the email........ does that mean im not eligible? |
Cur
Nova Australis Dark Knights of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.01.05 06:11:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk wrote:no PC - no play.
that is all.
Buy a PS3 like the rest of us hardcore nubtie's did?
I for one will enjoy laughing manicly as i create a Dustbunny empire out in the "dead" 0.0 space areas, then proceed to make people cry by pooping on their "-Ç" |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Command Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2012.01.05 10:01:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:I'm kinda confused. I got an email saying that I was eligible to sign up for beta access. Then in the fine print I read that only players living in Europe and the US will be granted access. Which sucks as I am in Australia.
CCP what's the deal? Are aussies excluded from the beta?
If so, why bother sending out the emails in the first place, you already have the residential locations of players?
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Technically, Australia falls under SCEE (Sony Computer Entertainment Europe). Which means that we should still be able to get in with that group. So pick that one and sign up for the beta. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial site for everything DUST 514
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Elena Heartilly
Mining Company
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:19:00 -
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Grideris wrote:Flamespar wrote:I'm kinda confused. I got an email saying that I was eligible to sign up for beta access. Then in the fine print I read that only players living in Europe and the US will be granted access. Which sucks as I am in Australia.
CCP what's the deal? Are aussies excluded from the beta?
If so, why bother sending out the emails in the first place, you already have the residential locations of players? I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Technically, Australia falls under SCEE (Sony Computer Entertainment Europe). Which means that we should still be able to get in with that group. So pick that one and sign up for the beta.
Actualy Australia falls under SCEI (sony computter antertainment inc.) and its age rating isnt pegi either so Australia still falls out of the boat by those means. Anyway i sighned up for the beta as i have a PS3 and love to shoot something to oblivion so +1 |
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
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Posted - 2012.01.05 12:48:00 -
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Quote:It was a mass e-mail all active eve subs got this email.
uhm........ really?
Quote:<------ didnt get the email........ does that mean im not eligible?
Neither did I get any mail so far. Reykjavik set primary. CCP hurry up, call me back or........ run run run!!!! |
Belloche
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.01.05 14:37:00 -
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CCP, at least, can you please give us an idea as to when you will be giving out the Beta Keys? By doing that, you will allow me and others, to stop checking our email every five minutes to see if you sent them. Thank you. |
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Rhizome
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2012.01.05 15:57:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:CCP
ALSO I HAPPEN NOT TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A PS3
Or, apparently, a shift key.
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Cal Gin
The Necromonger
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Posted - 2012.01.05 16:02:00 -
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Instead of complaining about the PS3 exclusivity, which by this time is like beating a dead horse, i have another concern... CCP has mentioned that this Beta will be ongoing and simply transition into the regular game, well if that's the case and we can assume that the training mechanics for DUST will be the same as in EVE then wont people in the DUST Beta get an unfair advantage as they will have the oppourtunity to get up to a few million skill points in the 6 months before the game "officially" comes out this summer? |
Allant Doran
KA POW POW Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.05 16:43:00 -
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Cal Gin wrote:Instead of complaining about the PS3 exclusivity, which by this time is like beating a dead horse, i have another concern... CCP has mentioned that this Beta will be ongoing and simply transition into the regular game, well if that's the case and we can assume that the training mechanics for DUST will be the same as in EVE then wont people in the DUST Beta get an unfair advantage as they will have the oppourtunity to get up to a few million skill points in the 6 months before the game "officially" comes out this summer?
Now this i like because you have a genuinly good question and concern.
I'd imagine they will just have a stat/skill reset of the DUST player statistic servers once the game is officially ''out'' but it would be nice to know way ahead of time, just in case this isn't the way it will work, so we can plan ahead.
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N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2012.01.05 19:09:00 -
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With all the crocodlie tears on this thread I could save all the people of Zimbabwe from dehydration and save their crops for at least 2 years. N'maro Makari Special Investigative Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
michaelthered
HexEstrella
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Posted - 2012.01.05 21:14:00 -
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i have no issue with CCP expanding out and trying to reach new markets insofar as it doesn't Fck with the existing users game experience who have forked over good cash month after month to support EVE.
As far as Dust is concerned though it appears many of you are hopeless optimists. Dust will fail. I would really need to see proof of this so called "buzz" in PS3 forums. Cause from the people i know, who are all busy playing MW and BF and Halo....."nobody" knows wtf Dust even is. There's just no pedigree here with console players. A ps3 player looking at this game is basically gonna say "so i can blown out of natural space in transit to a planet?".....and that player doesn't even know the half of it. These merc transports are gonna have to have concord escorts cause when this thing drops every PC playing capsuleer in the game is gonna come for them. I know i'm not going to do one ounce of PI anymore if i have to deal with Dust playing ps3 players to defend my installations. No way. If this was on the pc, maybe. PC players are different and we all know that.
Hopefully to make up for this woeful lack of insight....we capsuleers will soon be able to step outside our captains quarters and start some FPS gunplay in stations. Or call up escorts to our quarters....i'll take either one. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
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Posted - 2012.01.05 21:56:00 -
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Trairan wrote:Really all the CCP devs think that the players who pay to play EVE Online will buy a PS3 just to play Dust 514? Is a joke?
Actually it was previously stated that CCP wants to attract not Eve players, it's called branching out. Eve players just have to opportunity to see what the inferior little people that play PS3 do.
Yeah, I'm signed up |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
721
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Posted - 2012.01.05 23:14:00 -
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michaelthered wrote:i have no issue with CCP expanding out and trying to reach new markets insofar as it doesn't Fck with the existing users game experience who have forked over good cash month after month to support EVE. As far as Dust is concerned though it appears many of you are hopeless optimists. Dust will fail. I would really need to see proof of this so called "buzz" in PS3 forums. Cause from the people i know, who are all busy playing MW and BF and Halo....."nobody" knows wtf Dust even is. There's just no pedigree here with console players. A ps3 player looking at this game is basically gonna say "so i can blown out of natural space in transit to a planet?".....and that player doesn't even know the half of it. These merc transports are gonna have to have concord escorts cause when this thing drops every PC playing capsuleer in the game is gonna come for them. I know i'm not going to do one ounce of PI anymore if i have to deal with Dust playing ps3 players to defend my installations. No way. If this was on the pc, maybe. PC players are different and we all know that. Hopefully to make up for this woeful lack of insight....we capsuleers will soon be able to step outside our captains quarters and start some FPS gunplay in stations. Or call up escorts to our quarters....i'll take either one.
I would really need to see proof of your claims that Dust mercs can be simply blown up by capsuleers on a whim - as far as I know CCP hasn't confirmed the details of clones, transports, supply lines, logistics, etc in terms of how corporations and Alliances support their ground troop counterparts.
If what you say is more than pure speculation, please link to your sources. As of right now, we don't even know how sovereignty will be changed to integrate Dust battles - We've seen some sample guns, sample outfits, sample vehicles, some screenshots, but the rest of how exactly Dust integrates with EvE simply hasn't been spoken about by the developers yet.
As far as danger goes for console players, CCP has been clear that there will be phased zoning for the gameplay, with highsec, lowsec, and nullsec involving different levels of risk and reward. So no, a console player isn't going to just log on and be nuked by Eve players with no way to defend themselves.
And yes, if someone is content to play Modern Warfare over and over again, they're probably going to hate Dust 514. That's fine. Dust 514 isn't for those addicted to repetitive deathmatches. Its for all of us who are bored with crap like that. The playerbase CCP will build for Dust simply doesnt exist yet. They will once word gets out.
As I've said before - Dust isn't looking to conquer those games in a sales competition. It doesn't need to. It can start slow, and let word of mouth buzz draw more players in. The players that stick around will be a different, much more hardcore and strategic breed of shooter player much unlike the ones that are gobbling up the latest version of Halo.
Really though, your statement at the end just belies your bias that is all too common in threads like this - you simply think you're better than everyone else because you play on a PC instead of a console. Its prejudice, without any kind of basis in truth. There are just as intelligent and mature a crowd that plays on consoles as PC's, they just haven't had an experience like Dust yet to sink their teeth into.
The stereotypical "Kiddie gamer" you wrongfully assume makes up the entirety of the console gamer crowd out there will run screaming the first time they realize they don't automatically respawn as many times as they want in a match without penalty, and thankfully so. Dust 514 will purge the weak. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Chained Reactions
81
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Posted - 2012.01.05 23:30:00 -
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The apparent air of superiority that capsuleers around here have adopted, is obviously not taking into account the vids released. Planetary batteries taking out a Moros should have given them some pause in their bravado. But, obviously they aren't as sophisticated or well informed as they think. The Dusties are going to have some tricks up their sleeves for Capsuleers who think they are going to roll into a system and "dust" off planetary surfaces with impunity.
Really looking forward to this game. Maybe it will be an MMO with REAL strategic combat, as yet I have found none..
PC's rule many games by virtue of their utter simplicity of interface, not because the operator is "better".. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
721
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Posted - 2012.01.05 23:34:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote: The apparent air of superiority that capsuleers around here have adopted...
...is absolutely shameful and reflects poorly on the EvE community. Grow up everyone. Enough of the "stupid console gamers" crap. That argument is old, demonstrates poor sportsmanship, lack of consideration and respect, and doesn't hold any validity at the end of the day.
If you dont like Dust, great, don't play it. But take the "PC gamers are teh best" attitude somewhere else. You guys give the EvE community a bad name.
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Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2012.01.05 23:55:00 -
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CCP
Please clarify if non EU and US residents that recieved the invite should bother applying to the beta. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
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