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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:31:44 -
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Good afternoon capsuleers!
Today we're here to announce some changes to the EVE Online EULA that are coming with the launch of EVE Online: Ascension.
You can read all about them in this Dev Blog, which includes a handy red-lined version of the new EULA that will come into effect on Tuesday, November 8th, 2016.
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Chan'aar
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:43:10 -
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Did you just make use of 3rd party gambling sites against the EULA ?
OMG first ! |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Tactical-Retreat
2081
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:50:07 -
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I feel like all the bankers leaving IWI a few days/weeks ago knew/felt that this was coming.
It's no surprise though, as the current legal issues that Valve is having over CSGO gambling must have raised some alarms at CCP's Legal team.
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DireNecessity
CommonGround
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:50:37 -
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Chan'aar wrote:Did you just make use of 3rd party gambling sites against the EULA ?
OMG first !
All of them? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2508
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:53:11 -
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Yes. That's pretty explicitly what they did. My question is:
Quote:The third party service IWANTISK has been shut down in game, and all ISK and assets have been confiscated after extensive and exhaustive investigation has brought forward compelling evidence of large-scale Real Money Trading. Permanent account suspensions have been issued against those involved.
Since money is fungible, that means every single payment IWI made came out of the pool that benefited from RMT. Will all of the ISK that was used by IWI as part of the larger framework that enabled this 'large-scale' RMT scheme be confiscated, as it would be with smaller, less systemic RMT? If not, why are people being allowed to benefit from an RMT scheme? |
KongGal
Yjellio Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:53:15 -
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Would this affect lotteries too? |
Awkward Pi Duolus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
175
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:54:41 -
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Thank you, CCP.
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Edd Reynolds
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:54:57 -
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Just to clarify, this doesn't make the distinction between gambling on games of chance, and betting on events? All forms of 3rd party gambling sites are affected? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2508
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:54:58 -
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DireNecessity wrote:Chan'aar wrote:Did you just make use of 3rd party gambling sites against the EULA ?
OMG first ! All of them?
KongGal wrote:Would this affect lotteries too?
Quote: You may not use, transfer or assign any game assets for games of chance operated by third parties.
Seems pretty clear the answer to both of those is 'yes'.
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Cristl
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:56:10 -
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I assume the 'we may purge accounts after 90 days of inactivity' clause is unlikely to ever be enacted, right? |
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Brown Pathfinder
Its a good day to die
13
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:57:00 -
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Will CCP add ingame gambling services that players can establish in stations themselves? |
Andre Vauban
Aideron Robotics
465
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:58:06 -
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Can you elaborate on "You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for the Software"?
How does this relate to alpha and omega's? It is pretty clear that CCP will write some code to prevent another Eve client from being launched whenver an alpha account is running. How does this relate to VMs and containers?
If I run the second Eve account in a container or VM to circumvent the restriction, is that a EULA violation?
If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC, is that a EULA violation?
If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC with a different public IP than the first account, is that a EULA violation?
If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC and place it in front of a pet, is that a EULA violation?
If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC and place it in front of a sleeping baby, is that a EULA violation?
If so, what if I run the second Eve account on another PC and place it in front of a spouse who really isn't playing EVE, is that a EULA violation?
I don't mean to be annoying, but people are going to push this ability to multibox alpha's as far as they can just like they did with multi-input.
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.10.12 13:58:33 -
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Quote:You may not use, transfer or assign any in game assets for games of chance operated by third parties.
In before sites pop up with large offers of ISK and goods in exchange for solving major real-world dilemmas, mathematical problems previously believed unsolvable, and scientific challenges never before dreamed of, causing a global wave of peace and prosperity to sweep across the Earth as they somehow manage to succeed.
We already have precedent with Project Discovery (shout-out to the HPA folks).
Quote:CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) ... your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days
I saw nowhere else where additional constraints were mentioned with this. CCP, can you give us a rough idea of what you might be looking for with this? Will it be limited to Alpha accounts that have never subscribed, or will accounts from people who haven't played in many years be at risk?
I'm hoping and assuming that the text is just CYA legalese for some unknown point in the future that accounts need to be purged (akin to the single time that names were released from some specific types of accounts a couple years back).
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Lady Arrien
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:02:27 -
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What on earth are you doing?? I get that there are problems, but this change will kill all of the good things that are funded by those sites, like EVE NT.
Also, how completely self-serving is it that you waited to announce this until the week after they produced an AT show twice as good as the one produced by CCP? Really, did you delay the announcement just to get that last bit of betting funded community effort out before you killed them? |
Andre Vauban
Aideron Robotics
465
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:04:12 -
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"You may not use, transfer or assign any game assets for games of chance operated by third parties."
How does this apply to corp run 50/50 lotteries? Is that still permitted to raise corp isk?
How does this apply to monthly corp prizes for various activities? ie people in corp donate prizes and corp pays them out based on "top killer gets prize X, prize Y is randomly awarded to anybody in top 10 killers, prize Z is randomly awarded to anybody with more than # solo kills, etc"
Are these corp based activities now EULA violations?
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Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
330
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:04:41 -
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I don't get why such a drastic change around gambling is required here... Just a bit of fun?!
As per the other poster, I'd like more clarification on this bit too: "CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) ... your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days"
I'm hoping you don't really have intention to bin inactive accounts through this... |
Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group
57
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:10:28 -
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Does this mean if I can't operate a lottery in my corporation, or pub quizzes in alliance chat with prizes?
How about if I run a lottery where I stream and chat on Twitch for ships?
I guess this latter would be more likely third party - but it's not exactly automated? |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8308
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:11:37 -
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Momiji Sakora
Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group
57
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:11:39 -
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Mr Floydy wrote:I don't get why such a drastic change around gambling is required here... Just a bit of fun?!
As per the other poster, I'd like more clarification on this bit too: "CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) ... your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days"
I'm hoping you don't really have intention to bin inactive accounts through this...
I think this is more just to keep their asses clear if they have to purge an account even if it's inactive for some reason. Or to keep on top of alpha clones that may never be used again because it's easier to just create a new one than try to remember the details of the old. |
Darrien
Ouroboros Logistics
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:12:16 -
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I should imagine the whole 90 day things is for clearing inactive trial / alpha clones accounts. If the account has ever been subbed it's likely to be safe. |
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Pokano
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:14:29 -
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Quote:CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) you fail to pay the fees when due; your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days; (
Please elaborate on this item. What defines "inactivity"?
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Scotsman Howard
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:16:19 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Good afternoon capsuleers! Today we're here to announce some changes to the EVE Online EULA that are coming with the launch of EVE Online: Ascension. You can read all about them in this Dev Blog, which includes a handy red-lined version of the new EULA that will come into effect on Tuesday, November 8th, 2016.
Falcon: Can you please clarify this section:
(2) Termination of EULA
CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) you fail to pay the fees when due; your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days;
The way I read this, you will start deleting accounts that have been unsubbed for 90 days/
Does this mean that it could be possible for some people who are no longer subbed to return to the game and have nothing? Is this planned on being an active item that is looked at regularly or just an option for CCP to utilize if they want? I know many people who have taken a break for months, but they come back because they have something to come back to. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:16:41 -
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CCP, you may want to make another change because of this:
"You may not use, transfer or assign any game assets for games of chance operated by third parties."
Some rules lawyers may think betting on things like AT are still OK because they are not games of chance, but games of skill.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1932
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:16:49 -
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Citizen of Solitude
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Anthar Thebess
1658
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:18:17 -
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What about in-game gambling. 1. There are some mailing list in a style of "win a super, buy lottery ticket" working for years. 2. What about corporate / alliance based lotteries - are they permitted?
Still good change.
You need to consider about making charity less abusable. I don't want to feal bad contesting citadel / sov of some group that officially linked this asset to charity. Charity is good, but i don't want to feal bad playing this game as i attack RL charity.
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Avlec Meroxian
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:18:56 -
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Quote:CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days;
Pls define Inactive. i am guessing as in no one playing on it.
for currently unpaid accounts that might gete used once the alpha state comes online how long untill they are deamed inactive and gets deleted ?
if a previously paid account goes inactive will that too be deleted or is only unsubbed acounts subject to this?
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Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
330
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:20:51 -
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Momiji Sakora wrote:Mr Floydy wrote:I don't get why such a drastic change around gambling is required here... Just a bit of fun?!
As per the other poster, I'd like more clarification on this bit too: "CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) ... your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days"
I'm hoping you don't really have intention to bin inactive accounts through this... I think this is more just to keep their asses clear if they have to purge an account even if it's inactive for some reason. Or to keep on top of alpha clones that may never be used again because it's easier to just create a new one than try to remember the details of the old.
Agreed. I'm assuming it's just to cover them, but as quite a few people are mentioning this I'm hoping we can just get the statement refined to be slightly less concerning! |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2991
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:30:36 -
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I'm positively surprised and pleased to see, that CCP is able to execute some bold changes for the better of the game.
Though I agree with the sentiment above, that purely ingame raffles or bets should be allowed.
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Aspen Neva
0
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:40:30 -
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Can we have more details about "your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days;" ?
I keep on playing then taking hiatus for years, but eventually I always come back. So what the heck ?!
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2509
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Posted - 2016.10.12 14:41:25 -
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Aspen Neva wrote:Can we have more details about "your account has been inactive for a number of 90 days;" ?
I keep on playing then taking hiatus for years, but eventually I always come back. So what the heck ?!
It's likely a boilerplate change to protect f2p accounts by establishing a minimum amount of time. Prior to this, the moment your account lapsed, they could do it. |
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