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Cephalosa Galactica
BlackWater Liquidations
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Posted - 2016.10.09 00:17:01 -
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Is it possible that this whole idea is just bad, plainly and simply horrible? Im going to kill so many alpha players is not even a number you could comprehend. As a matter of fact it will be my priority for i dont want a bunch of noobs flying around without paying while i had to pay for many years. Salty much? You bet your azz i am, this is completely aimed at bringign in new players...well i tell you. They are not gonna like a game where they can't even undock, the new event called "burn alpha" is on the way :) more content for the vets,we can even combine burn jita with burn alpha and we are good to boost the ammount of ships destroyed versus ships made...not only that, then we go ahead and raise the price of the ships they can fly lets say tenfold, and we got ourself a much bigger farm...."the alpha farm" i hate this whole clone state thing on behalf of the newbies...as an old player im gonna enjoy overpricing their ships and ganking them all and then sell them more overpriced ships...its gonna be great :) |
Cephalosa Galactica
BlackWater Liquidations
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Posted - 2016.10.09 00:24:15 -
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Welisa Aldent wrote:Sone i dont se any Point in subing anymore the alpha clones are gona be just fine whit out subing..
They get more and more skill they can do more and more, get acess to more and more of the game.
And we that pay for the game gona get more gankers, more mission item ninja looters, and all i se is a big - on beeing a sub atm.
Atlest they should force all alphas to have green safty on in high sec,
It doesnt matter let the alphas come...we just create a new event guys... We can call it "burn the alphas". Either they pay or they get ganked. Watch how long a new player trying to play for free will like a game where he explodes every 2.5 minutes :) |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3643
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Posted - 2016.10.09 00:48:58 -
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Yeah.... Lets not talk about deliberately harassing new players shall we...... Kinda a bannable offence. |
Cephalosa Galactica
BlackWater Liquidations
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Posted - 2016.10.09 01:24:58 -
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The lets not talk about giving away a game ive been paying for years for free |
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
703
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Posted - 2016.10.09 05:09:59 -
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Cephalosa Galactica wrote:The lets not talk about giving away a game ive been paying for years for free They aren't getting the game for free. They're getting a time-unlimited trial account, with slightly-looser restrictions.
Alpha skills will let them be okay within a very limited subset of activities, but to actually excel at something or to expand which horizons they can achieve, they'll have to pony up some scratch.
EVE is a big game. There's a lot to learn and a lot to take in which must be done in a very short amount of time. A two- to three-week trial account doesn't cut it. The limitations on Alpha accounts are pretty decent, and are being made specifically to let new players have a real taste of the game (which is impossible to achieve in just a few weeks) without offering them the entire thing.
Right now, you're basically crying because someone got a free bite-sized sample from a grocery kiosk while you're paying for the full box. The goal of the former is to lead to the latter, though presumably without so much whining.
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Cephalosa Galactica
BlackWater Liquidations
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Posted - 2016.10.09 07:01:17 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:Cephalosa Galactica wrote:The lets not talk about giving away a game ive been paying for years for free They aren't getting the game for free. They're getting a time-unlimited trial account, with slightly-looser restrictions. Alpha skills will let them be okay within a very limited subset of activities, but to actually excel at something or to expand which horizons they can achieve, they'll have to pony up some scratch. EVE is a big game. There's a lot to learn and a lot to take in which must be done in a very short amount of time. A two- to three-week trial account doesn't cut it. The limitations on Alpha accounts are pretty decent, and are being made specifically to let new players have a real taste of the game (which is impossible to achieve in just a few weeks) without offering them the entire thing. Right now, you're basically crying because someone got a free bite-sized sample from a grocery kiosk while you're paying for the full box. The goal of the former is to lead to the latter, though presumably without so much whining.
Then there shouldnt be a problem when we burn the alphas...while i cry of course, right? and then as i sob, ( from laughter) let the GM mails come in. |
Anthar Thebess
1647
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Posted - 2016.10.09 12:33:45 -
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1. EVE is a pvp game. 2. Ships are build to die. 3. You can even die now without undocking - citadels. 4. Alfa clones will die and need to be allowed to kill - stop making them special care group 5. Higsec is no special place where you are untouchable, but a place that have concord that will make you pay for the crimes.
The worst thing CCP can do is to limit PVP for alfa, or against them.
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
732
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Posted - 2016.10.09 12:50:14 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Yeah.... Lets not talk about deliberately harassing new players shall we...... Kinda a bannable offence. If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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Cephalosa Galactica
BlackWater Liquidations
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Posted - 2016.10.09 15:09:25 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Yeah.... Lets not talk about deliberately harassing new players shall we...... Kinda a bannable offence. If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.
SO my position remains the same....our group will be burning every alpha clone that leaves a newb system, we will also make sure that any ship they can fly will be overpriced tenfold... Basically they will have two choices...buy a catalyst for 30 million or go out of newb system and get ganked. :) nice gameplay for them i tell you. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1025
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Posted - 2016.10.09 15:39:49 -
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I have a question on the skill queue length of alpha accounts. Will it be "unlimited" or the current 24 hour trial account limit?
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3644
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Posted - 2016.10.09 19:46:38 -
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Moac Tor wrote: If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.
There is a big difference between treating them the same as everyone else (Note that SoE arc also has some degree of protection btw) & organising a deliberate sustained attack on new players. Namely that one of those is an EULA breach.
@Eternus. Based on CSM minutes it's the 24 hour trial limit (With normal long skill overflow) |
Vald Tegor
Empyrean Guard Tactical Narcotics Team
168
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Posted - 2016.10.09 20:10:06 -
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Cephalosa Galactica wrote: SO my position remains the same....our group will be burning every alpha clone that leaves a newb system, we will also make sure that any ship they can fly will be overpriced tenfold... Basically they will have two choices...buy a catalyst for 30 million or go out of newb system and get ganked. :) nice gameplay for them i tell you.
Good luck with that. All the more reason for them to leave highsec and join an organization that nurtures new players and provides them with free ships. |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1026
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Posted - 2016.10.09 20:21:38 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Moac Tor wrote: If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.
There is a big difference between treating them the same as everyone else (Note that SoE arc also has some degree of protection btw) & organising a deliberate sustained attack on new players. Namely that one of those is an EULA breach. @Eternus. Based on CSM minutes it's the 24 hour trial limit (With normal long skill overflow)
Thats what I figured itd be. Thanx.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
732
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Posted - 2016.10.10 00:44:56 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Moac Tor wrote: If they come out of the starter systems then I don't see why any special exceptions should be made. Otherwise we turn the game in a theme park full of entitled alpha players.
There is a big difference between treating them the same as everyone else (Note that SoE arc also has some degree of protection btw) & organising a deliberate sustained attack on new players. Namely that one of those is an EULA breach. @Eternus. Based on CSM minutes it's the 24 hour trial limit (With normal long skill overflow) Do you understand that being an alpha clone doesn't necessarily mean they are a new player... It just means they aren't paying the subscription.
There is nothing wrong with actively hunting and killing alpha clones if they are not in the starter system considering there are probably going to be thousands of them after November...
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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Namaan
Midnight Elites
6
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Posted - 2016.10.10 04:11:25 -
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Unless you have their API there is no way to actually know if they are an Alpha or not. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
2807
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Posted - 2016.10.10 05:26:19 -
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Namaan wrote:Unless you have their API there is no way to actually know if they are an Alpha or not. Actually, it will be pretty easy to know that they are not an alpha if you see them undock in a ship that is not allowed to their specific races alpha skills.
But people probably should go out of their way to shoot them. From what CCP told us, players that explode early in their Eve career are more likely to stay with the game. Certainly we should all make an effort to engage with them somehow so they don't just spend a few weeks mining in a Venture or running level 1 missions by themselves before quitting out of boredom.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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CCP Cognac
C C P C C P Alliance
66
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Posted - 2016.10.10 11:47:59 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:I have a question on the skill queue length of alpha accounts. Will it be "unlimited" or the current 24 hour trial account limit?
24 hour. |
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Anthar Thebess
1651
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Posted - 2016.10.10 14:06:44 -
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CCP Cognac wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:I have a question on the skill queue length of alpha accounts. Will it be "unlimited" or the current 24 hour trial account limit? 24 hour. Ur evil.
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Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
31
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Posted - 2016.10.11 09:59:28 -
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I have one case to aks about here:
assume a player has two omegas and one alpha and would love to be able to do thing on them simultaneusly until alpha gets funds to kick into omega
devblog states alphas being locked on character screen select if there is other instance of eve running but does not claim omegas having same limitation
and her's bunch of questions [if asked and answered, sorry I'm a lil bit busy to search through 9 pages of feedback :/ ] would log in alpha clone and then after havign it launched and logged in logging in on omega clones be possible if yes would it be intended behaviour or falling into that bad exploits and EULA violations? |
Andre Vauban
Aideron Robotics
465
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Posted - 2016.10.11 11:53:57 -
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"We agree and so we are planning to implement restrictions that keep any Alpha account from passing character select if another EVE client is already active. This will be true even if the other client is Omega. Bypassing these restrictions will also be a breach of the EULA and may lead to penalties and punishments and all that nasty stuff that our security team does if they catch you being bad."
Can you elaborate on what is considered bypassing the restrictions?
-If I run another Eve client for an alpha in a VM/container, is that against EULA? -If I run another Eve client for an alpha on another PC in my house, is that against EULA? -If I run another Eve client for an alpha on another PC in my house with a different public IP, is that against EULA? -If I run another Eve client for an alpha on another PC in my house and put it in front of my wife while she watches TV, is that against EULA? -If I run another Eve client for an alpha on 5 laptops in my house and put them in front of my wife while she watches TV, is that against EULA?
I don't mean to be annoying, but the ability to have free alpha characters doing things to help somebodies main account(s) is so powerful people are going to game the system right up until whatever line CCP draws in the sand.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1925
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Posted - 2016.10.11 12:09:19 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:put it in front of my wife while she watches TV, is that against EULA? I believe unless she makes attempt to leave the room EULA is not breached. But if she does and you find her and repeat your humiliation then that would be harrassing.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
47
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Posted - 2016.10.11 17:43:19 -
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Helene Fidard wrote:Devblog wrote:If you lapse to Alpha, you will keep ownership of your colonies and they will keep running, but you wonGÇÖt be able to collect any resources from them until going back to Omega State. Can you be more specific? Still hoping for an official answer to this. "Collect" is ambiguous. Is it only exporting that is not available to alpha clones, or are extraction and importing restricted as well?
Hey! I don't know about you
but I'm joining CTRL-Q
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MECHcore
Phantom Squad The Blood Covenant
71
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Posted - 2016.10.13 19:39:18 -
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So an ISD locked my thread in the general section he said i should post it here, so ill do that now. He linked me this topic :')
It was named "CCP with EvE, what have you done ! ( All songs have a end eventually )" The exact copy of my post that got locked =
Hello curious readers !
Apologies for my bad English, but ill try my best.
Myself im playing this game for more then 12years, and i have always been respectfull to other players in pvp or newer players.
What i have to say is that, this game isn't anymore what it always promised to be, the once open world is now crumbling beneath your feet.
The changing of EvE =
-Once upon a time there was this awesome vast world where you had to work hard when you started, like my Ibis mining 3k isk worth of veldspar a hour, and starting from 0 skillpoints. After some years it suddenly changed with people getting 800k skill points to assign when they started.
-Plex arrived a while after, buy the skills with the best implants and buy the biggest ship out there ( imagine 2 alliances fighting eachother, 1 alliance that plays the normal way, and 1 alliance that buys 5k of plexes ) , i must confess that i buyed some aswell but Plex should never have been available in the first place, i had to buy some to keep up with others. ( Good financial move CCP for a while atleast )
-From then on i saw a huge number of oldschoolers dropping the game, it became P2W.
-60k+ online members on the average Sunday once upon a time, then dropped to 40k.
-We also saw Aurum somewhere in between.
-Then the much debated isk for buying skillpoints.
And now soon The Alpha clone, people playing for free, welcome CoD kids, or welcome free scouts, lets make a dozen free chars to scout. ( them getting paid 5m each )
-And omg as last, i do not mind the dissapearance of IGB, nostalgic it was yes, obsolete yes, but i very strongly condemn, and i must repeat condemn that you will rule out very awesome game services like EOH Poker and possibly EvE-Radio. EOH poker and EvE-Radio have been around for like 10 years, i tend to use their service alot, and their not known for meta isk transfers, its a shame if they would have to disappear.
Numbers keep dropping, 40k+ is done for a while 30k+ now, they will go up with a semi free to play version of the game "Alpha clone" ( A trick to show good numbers )
Whats the next step ?
EvE free to play game in the browser ??
My conclusion is that the game over the past years is losing its charm, its turning into a cheap to buy basket game. Where in the past the game had prestige, a quality game that seemed to be exceptional against the others.
It can be turned around, alot of people that left played this game for its quality not quantity and greed.
Closure:
-This post will be locked or ending up somewhere in the trashcan not been taken seriously. -EvE once a power to be withnessed in the mmo world is now turning into a cheap if not free basket game. -Sry for my bad English -If you have money for a monument, you sure have some for the game its future quality wise gameplay, but GJ on the servers and software thats given. -Do not erase my name on the monument after this complaining post. -Il stick around, but when the ingame fun drop to much il leave ( no you cannot have my stuff )
Shouts out to my fellow EvE pilots, lets hope they will hear us ! o\
Make the game great again pls !! |
ACESsiggy
Pandemic Horde Inc.
63
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Posted - 2016.10.14 04:55:28 -
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YaY. Sounds like some solid forward thinking =ƒÿü
GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
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Alexis Red
Red Corporation
2
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Posted - 2016.10.24 17:00:24 -
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Restricting the alpha/omega dual login is a game breaker for me, as a part time PVE player.
Too expensive to play a broken game.
Best wishes to all, but can't see this working out well for the long haul., unless they introduce a low cost 3 day Omega pass for a couple bucks. |
Alstevar Eastern
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2016.10.28 05:24:11 -
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About the Yellow square around ships and items icons.
It's a good idea to show what you can't use with an Alpha clone but why did i have the yellow everywhere on Omega clone too ?
Each time i see yellow i have Tech 2 and Amarr in mind. If you can't remove the square, it can be good to have them with races color on ships and white for the rest.
Your effective personal standings need to be higher to see the player's signature.
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Saffoo
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.10.29 20:55:06 -
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OK i'll copy and pasted to this thread
Greeting all
This may cause huge flames but what the heck here goes :)
OK we have this lovely big ass patch almost upon us with lots of exciting, controversial and game changing stuff, though I only have one real bone in the broth
Alpha's :x
The concept of eve being free to play / unlimited trail play is great though CCP seem to have missed a rather large trick and i'll explain
The current trail system restricts the use of power by the fact that you have to pay, you want the goodies you had pay, this also had the advantage of smoothing the increase and decrease in player numbers and giving stability to the eve universe
OK come November the 15th (yup please make sure this patch works guys :) the handbrake comes off and Alphas will be with us
This is going to be really good for eve in lots of ways, more players trying eve, new player experience (if they get it working), free to play, try and die :D
Now everyone is concerned that come November there will be a huge increase of chars created to do one thing, that being gank the heck out of high sec and your right, high sec will be gank heaven
Now this is where CCP is missing a huge trick, by letting alphas have all this power in high sec they are missing out on risk v reward, IE the Alpha pilot has NO RISK but LARGE reward though ganking
Also CCP will miss out on a revenue stream as these pilots can make as many accounts as they like and put no isk into CCP's wallet, this is bad
The answer is very simple, just lock an alphas safety system to green while they are in high sec, this has several benefits
1 CCP won't have to do any monitoring of the player bases activities to work out if they are going to go gank crazy, be honest CCP you know we will
2 The idea behind Alphas remains truer, ie to get more people playing eve and having a better experience
3 Keep's the gankers under control
4 keeping alphas safety system locked in high sec means that if they want to shoot people in the face they will have to go to low sec, where this sort of action is SUPPOSED to happen, according to eve lore anyway
5 This is the biggie. OK a new player has an alpha clone, like eve but wants to do more things then he's going to be happy to buy a PLEX or sub his account, this gives a much higher player retention and also gets people that want to gank into paying for the game
6 CCP will look like muppets when they have to retroactively apply a brake on alphas due to the massive number of gankers flying around
OK i'll wrap this up in the following way
If you want to trading, mining, building, invention (IE PVE) in highsec (or anywhere else) you HAVE to pay, there is no way around it and at the moment if you want to gank then you dont really have to pay, just make a new account
So CCP, in this patch that i'm really (in most part) looking forward to, keep the alphas safety system locked in high sec and reap the rewards of having more money coming in and also having a better high sec :)
Ganking is a way of life in eve and it's not something that will ever go away, it's a lifestyle that people like though they need to pay for it in the same way that that other people do
Basically whatever lifestyle people choose in eve, they should rightly pay for it
FREE TO PLAY, YES!
FREE TO GANK NO!!
OK that's me typed out :)
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Groza Dallocort
OTs-14
0
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Posted - 2016.11.05 13:31:28 -
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So I have second computer and i start an alpha account on that one and I got 3 omegas on my first computer will that be against the EULA.
I'm awere that some people have already been asking that but no clear answear from CCP yet. |
Darkblad
1420
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Posted - 2016.11.05 14:24:49 -
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Groza Dallocort wrote:So I have second computer and i start an alpha account on that one and I got 3 omegas on my first computer will that be against the EULA. As shown hereEULA in effect from 08.11.2016 wrote:You may establish more than one (1) Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the accounts you intend to use for that purpose. You are not allowed to be online with the alpha and one or more of the omegas. You are also not allowed to have one or more omegas online and then log in with the alpha as well.
Able to != allowed.
As your omega accounts turn into alpha each time their account turns inactive, you are allowed to have multiple alphas, yet the EULA defines if and how you can enter the game.
NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
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Groza Dallocort
OTs-14
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Posted - 2016.11.06 15:56:42 -
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Hmm thanks for clearing that up for me. |
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